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I have added a new page to the Electrolux section of my web site, featuring the homely but cute 1956 Thrift Model.


See:

http://www.137.com/thrift


Enjoy!



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Friday, December 30, 2005 at 00:29:56 (MST)


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Did everyone have a great Christmas. Three new vacuums to my collection. A Kirby Tradition, GE MV1 and an Electrolux Side Kick... well two vacuums I guess. Love the Side Kick. Use it on my G all the time now. Great for the stair steps, to bad is is louder then the G.


Time to play,,, there must be something that needs a good vacuum... OH the Car... See you all later

MorganT. Frazer
Dubuque, WI USA - Tuesday, December 27, 2005 at 13:26:16 (MST)


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Hi, Everybody--Merry Christmas to All! My Hospital G is working perfectly! Anyhow--I hope you all have a Happy and Merry Christmas, and a prosperous New Year!!! I've already made my New Year's Resolution--Start saving ahead for this years Convention!!! I hope to see you all there!

Nathan Thomas
Wayside, TX USA - Sunday, December 25, 2005 at 08:27:50 (MST)


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I hope everyone's holidays suck! To at least 137 inches of water lift on a suction gauge!!


And here's to a glorious new year in a vacuum!!! ;P



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Sunday, December 25, 2005 at 02:00:47 (MST)


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Merry Christmas everybody

Alex Taber
El Cajon, Ca. USA - Saturday, December 24, 2005 at 10:06:22 (MST)


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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! My biggest New Years resolution, is to get a little more active in the club, and communicate with some of you. Before this year, I hadn't been a member since '96, and it's good to be back! Let me introduce myself. My name is Jason Davis. It seems the club has grown quite a bit over the last 10 years! I plan on being at the convention in June, and meet you guys in person. Until then, please e-mail me so I can learn a little more about some of you, and you a little more about me.

Jason
USA - Thursday, December 22, 2005 at 19:30:26 (MST)


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Just wanted to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Blessed New Year. The Forum seems very quiet and I am hopeing everyone is in good health. Tom it is great to hear your back to the shop. But DON'T over do it. Listen to those women that owned the Rainbow's..


I want to say thanks to the Board Members, Louis, Alex, Charlie for all the work that they have done this year to keep this club alive. May 2006 bring a lot of new vacuums and friends into our club and lives.


Morgan

Morgan T. Frazer
Dubuqe, IA USA - Thursday, December 22, 2005 at 06:24:08 (MST)


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Tom,


I am so glad to hear you are doing better and that you are home. I'm sure David and the rest of your family are relieved. Next time you have a tooth issue, just the right Kirby attachment and you won't have to go through this again! Let me say again, I am really glad you are on the road to total recovery and best wishes to you both.


To the rest of my friends and club member, (sorry I'm not into political correctness, I'm way over 50, so no hate mail or postings either!), I want to wish a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year that is filled happiness, good health and prosperity.


And, if you don't celebrate Christmas, Happy whatever you do this time of year.

C. Watrous
USA - Sunday, December 18, 2005 at 10:53:49 (MST)


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Hi Everyone:

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for the kind words to David during this whole thing. I had an abcessed wisdom tooth, the pain of which prevented me from eating food for a month. I went from 220 pounds to 170 pounds in one month. I'm six feet tall, and should weigh about 190 pounds, so if anything at all good should have come of this, it's that I'll be able to take my tank top off at the pool this summer.


The infection from the tooth shut down my pancreas. There was nothing to make insulin, and my sugar levels went higher and higher until I passed out into a coma, from which I didn't come out for two whole days. And when I did, I was so disoriented, I pulled out the IV, the catheter (that's an indigantion that was also new to me) and everything. I was going HOME. They had to literally pick me up from the floor and throw me back into the ICU bed, and reattach the IV's, since the blood was going everywhere.

I was delerious. Much more so than my normal demensia.


I was in ICU for five days. Then, off to regular hospital room for two days, and now I'm home. I have to take insulin injections (4 per day) for the rest of my life, since I no longer have a functioning system.


It was wonderful that everyone was calling David and keeping his mind (and time) occupied while I was in there. No phones in ICU, and only 15 minutes of visiting time for Dave. He was going nuts, after just having a pacemaker/defibrulator put in him 3 weeks ago.


The hospital was excellent and the nursing staff was too. You can tell a LOT about a lady by her vacuum. I'm sure Marty and Charlie would agree. I asked every nurse what kind of sweeper she had. Interestingly, the kindest nurses seemed to have Rainbows.


Since I'm officially 'retiring' from the business (I'm selling the shop to Dave's brother), I have lots of things to give away. I have several hundred machines to part with also. The only cleaners I'm keeping are pre World War II vacuums, as these will always be the oldest cleaners, and I'm most fond of 1910 and 1920's sweepers anyway. If anyone has any requests for post War stuff, let me know.


In closing, thank you all once again for your concern. I came very close to dying twice in this past week. I look forward to seeing everyone at the meeting in June. Everyone should be able to take home something from my collection...




tom gasko
park hills, MO USA - Sunday, December 18, 2005 at 00:40:05 (MST)


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Hi, All--It's good to hear that Tom is getting better! I'm a Firm Believer in the power of prayer--It really works! Guess what, Everybody? I'm soon going to have in my collection a Hospital G!!! Yeah!!! If I can have a few tips on how to post pictures for the forum, let me know and when I get the Hospital G I'll post them for you all to see. Anyway--I'm glad to hear that Tom and David are doing better, and I'll continue to lift you both up in prayer. Charlie--I hope you're all right, I think I had a Hoover blow the bag off one time, Wow, what a Mess! I'll talk to you all later--Meanwhile, back to workin' on more vacs---

Nathan Thomas
Wayside, TX USA - Thursday, December 15, 2005 at 12:09:29 (MST)


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So glad to hear Tom's improving!


I have done another rocket this season. It is made from two vintage hairdryers. Check this out:

http://www.goodfirm.com/marksart/mark9/

mark goodall
Omaha, NE USA - Thursday, December 15, 2005 at 09:47:38 (MST)


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BETTER NEWS! Tom is being transferred to a regular room this afternoon. He's still very weak, but ate all his breakfast, and his organs seem to be doing better. He will still be in for a few more days, not sure how many per David. If any of you would like to send a card...Mineral Area Regional Hospital/1212 Weber Rd./Farmington, Mo. 63640-Rm. 251. David is working at the shop today if anyone wants to give him a call.

Rick Asquith
Saint Louis, Mo USA - Wednesday, December 14, 2005 at 11:03:14 (MST)


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GOOD NEWS! I just returned from the hospital to see Tom and he has definitely improved, although not out of the woods. He will probably be in ICU a couple more days before being moved to a regular room. They're still not sure how well his organs are functioning/filtering. He had good color I thought, but then was told he had a fever due to the still infected wisdom tooth which cannot come out until after he's released. He's making cracks and still "lovingly" refers to the nurses as the "bitches"! He's getting great one-on-one care, and this hospital/staff apparently saved his life. He still thinks his only problem is his wisdom tooth, but he will be prescribed a diabetic diet along with daily injections of insulin. He's thankful for all the thoughts and prayers by all, and they must've worked! David is doing 100% better now with Tom's progression as we all are. Tom's mom Jean was there and she is sweet as the day is long. David's brother Dan also was there and he deserves a huge kudos, without him, Tom and Dave would be lost, he is great support for the both of them. I will update again if there is anything new, David said he was going straight to bed tonight after only having 3 hours sleep last night...understandably so. For those of you that believe in prayer, keep praying, they've worked so far and we still need to get him "through the woods"!

Rick Asquith
Saint Louis, Mo USA - Tuesday, December 13, 2005 at 19:05:00 (MST)


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Well, something happened today that until now has just been the "Stuff of Legends."


I was vacuuming with my Kirby D50, happy as a clam using one of my favorite machines. All of a sudden, I heard a very startling "RRROAR-FWOOOOSHH" sound. It was not until I saw the miniature mushroom cloud settling down onto the floor that I realized what had happened.


You got it: The Sani-Emptor door popped open. OH MY GAWD, what a mess. The entire room was covered with a film of dust, and there was a big clump of dirt and dog hair on the floor next to the machine.


What a mess.


Guess I should have been better about following the instruction manual's admonition to "empty the bag after every use......" But what fun would that be? Kirby bags never look right unless the bottom third or so is full of dirt!!


The only happy part about it: I got to spend another hour using my Kirby! :) Actually, I only cleaned the large Oriental rug with it, I did all the dusting and above-the-floor cleaning with my cute and perky Electrolux Model S, another of my favorites. I've always liked the Electrolux economy models for some reason - the T, R, S and L. Maybe because so many people had them because they were less expensive.


Back to the Kirby, one of the many reasons my mother never wanted one (along with the weight, kludginess and difficulty in using, according to her) was because of a (probably irrational) fear that what happened to me would happen to her someday. Somehow, she had gotten it in her mind that Sani-Emptors were popping open all over the place! My aunt had a 1950s Kirby for many years, and I never remember her saying anything about that ever happening to her!



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Tuesday, December 13, 2005 at 13:07:21 (MST)


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I talked with David around 11.15 am today.


Tom was much improved this morning. He was sitting up in the hospital bed and they were trying to get him to eat. David said he looks 100 percent better compared to the weekend. He will probably be in ICU for at least 2 to 3 more days. David is at the shop today and will try to keep it open.



Morgan T. Frazer
Dubuque, IA USA - Tuesday, December 13, 2005 at 10:57:32 (MST)


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David and Tom, Please know that you are both in my thoughts and prayers. Thanks so much for keeping us posted David and please take good care of yourself too. Tom is going to need you now more than ever. Terry

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Tuesday, December 13, 2005 at 10:51:51 (MST)


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Tom and David,


You will be in my prayers as well. I wish I were closer so I could help in some way. Prayers for now... David you take care...


Morgan

Morgan T. Frazer
Dubuque, IA USA - Tuesday, December 13, 2005 at 08:27:17 (MST)


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Tom--You are certainly in my prayers--I will lift you up in prayer to the Lord Every day. I hope you will recover quickly!

Nathan Thomas
Wayside, TX USA - Tuesday, December 13, 2005 at 07:56:30 (MST)


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David,



As one of the "bitches" I know first hand what Tom and you are going through. Please get some rest David,we don't want you ending up in hospital too! I'll be saying an extra prayer for both of you tonight. Take Care


Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs , Ca USA - Tuesday, December 13, 2005 at 02:29:12 (MST)


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Hi Everbody,

My God this has been a weekend I never want to see again.

Tom seems to be slowly getting back to us, the first sign of that was tonihg at 9:00 p.m. I was standing there and he slowly looked up at me and said "Take me Home!!" These people are hurting me and he called the nurses "Bitches" and if anyone knows Tom - they would know that was a good sign. This has been a very critical time for him, but after tonight, finally, I have him back.

Although it was a small thing it was nonetheless.

II told him of all of you guys knowing and that you all gave one big hug. I thank all of you and until he's out of I.C.U. I am not resting. If you want to call me call, I will let you all know the progress, right now you wouldn't even recognize him he woulld not want you all to see him that way, it tears me up when I walk in the room. But, There is hope and thanks to all. You ALL Mean ALOT To him you know yoou do.

They said this is going to be a long process because of his condition. But with all of you guys thinking of him aand your prayers are AWESOME. I have always said you are an Awesome buch of people and I mean that.

Thanks,

David


David
Desloge, MO USA - Monday, December 12, 2005 at 22:30:57 (MST)


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I am really sorry to hear about Tom, he is one of the old timers when we were trying to get this club going. Most of you don't know this, he was our first president. My thoughts are with him.


As a professional caregiver I know the job Dave is up against, my thought are with him too.


Alex Taber

Alex Taber
El Cajon, Ca. USA - Monday, December 12, 2005 at 20:23:49 (MST)


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I am really sorry to hear about Tom, he is one of the old timers when we were trying to get this club going. Most of you don't know this, he was our first president. My thoughts are with him.


As a professional caregiver I know the job Dave is up against, my thought are with him too.


Alex Taber

Alex Taber
El Cajon, Ca. USA - Monday, December 12, 2005 at 20:23:27 (MST)


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Update on Tom Gasko...I just spoke to David this evening, and today was touch and go for Tom. He has been in a diabetic coma since being taken to the hospital yesterday morning. Tom nor anyone was aware he was diabetic until this episode. He had a tooth infection and started feeling really rough on Fri, then through the weekend. David and his brother Dan literally had to pull Tom from the bed, and then called 911. The next couple of days will be touch and go at this point as they are having a problem regulating his blood sugar. He's in/out of the coma, sometimes recognizing the people around him. He's in ICU under constant watch and can only have visitors on even hours and then for only 15min. David said he was sorry he hasn't contacted more people, but he sends his thanks for everyone's prayers and concerns. David as you know is health challenged also with his heart, just recently have more surgery a few weeks ago, and needless to say this is really devastating for him and everyone. I talked to Tom's mom this morning and there's no diabetes in his family, so everyone is in shock. I got David's permission to give his cell nbr. in this posting...it is 573-631-8836. He has plans on working at the shop Tues. from 10am-3pm..shop nbr is 636-937-1001 if anyone would like to contact him. David said he's sure that Tom would want someone to be there, so he's planning on going in tomorrow. Tom has a great support group around him, and everyone is praying for his recovery. Tom has been a mentor and great friend to me and many from the club, and we all need to put him in our prayers.


Rick Asquith

Rick Asquith
Saint Louis, mo USA - Monday, December 12, 2005 at 19:48:41 (MST)


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VERY SORRY to hear this news about Tom. I echo Skip's request for updates as they are available.


Will be keeping him and David in my prayers.



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Sunday, December 11, 2005 at 23:32:41 (MST)


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Hello to All:


Just wanted to Say I got news today that Tom Gasko was rushed to The hospital with a dietabic seizure and was wondering if anybody near him can keep us posted as to his condition etc


Thanks Skip...

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Sunday, December 11, 2005 at 23:15:33 (MST)


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Oh heck - OK just go to www.automaticwasher.org and click on Discuss-O-Mat, go to the Super Forum and look for Thread 4227 - "A New Kirby Dual 80 Arrives". It seems to work and then doesn't.


Fred

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Sunday, December 11, 2005 at 18:51:39 (MST)


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Just a heads-up that concurrent with the mailing of the next issue of the newsletter, all the usernames and passwords for the secure areas of the site will change. You will be given your new username and password along with the next issue of the newsletter.


And just another reminder that the security of this site is a tremendously, vitally important matter.


DO NOT -- repeat -- DO NOT -- give your access information to ANYONE. Even a close buddy or sweeper pal.


Everyone who has paid their dues and is thus entitled to access this site will have the means to do so. If someone has lost or forgotten their information they need to email me and request it.


Thank you for valuing the security of our forum by cooperating ONE HUNDRED PERCENT with this and all other site guidelines.



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Sunday, December 11, 2005 at 18:08:40 (MST)


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Fred, that one doesn't work either! ??



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Sunday, December 11, 2005 at 18:02:40 (MST)


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OK - Let's try that again.


http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/THREADS/SANDBOX/4227x23.htm

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Sunday, December 11, 2005 at 06:58:43 (MST)


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Fred, the link you posted does not work - something's wrong with the URL. But it did prompt me to have a look at the AutomaticWasher.org site. Really very lovely; and now I guess I've figured out why this forum is so quiet --- everyone's doin' their blabbin' over there. :(


If the VCCC had more money to spend on the site, and more people to use it, and more time for me to upgrade this forum and moderate it, we could have a "post photos" feature here as well which is VERY cool.


However, that's neither in the budget nor in time availability at present. In addition to the added costs, someone would have to be on the guard at all times to make sure interlopers don't sneak in and post pix of kiddle porn or whatever. Wonder how they handle that at AW.org.......



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Saturday, December 10, 2005 at 20:37:34 (MST)


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Hi Everyone - Charlie is looking for an original bag for the Dual 80 in this link. I now see the difference in bags. Gotta love those Kirbys!!!


http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/THREADS/SANDBOX/4227x22.htm


Fred

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, IL USA - Saturday, December 10, 2005 at 18:46:13 (MST)


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Does anyone have an original Kirby Dual 80 cloth bag in reasonably good condition they would like to sell? It differs from the replacement in that the Kirby circle logos are very close together and touch each other rather than like the Kirby replacement ones where the logos are spaced far apart. If so, please email me.


Also, does anyone have for sale an owner's manual complete for a Kirby 510? If not, would anyone that has one be willing to make a copy of the last page that has the rebuild information, (both the left and right page) on it and send it to me? Please let me know via email and thanks in advance!


Season's Greetings to all.

C. Watrous
NC USA - Thursday, December 08, 2005 at 08:34:46 (MST)


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P.S. to my post just below --

To give you an idea of how much greater the traffic has been to our site, consider that from the time the site was launched in March 2003 to October 2005, traffic averaged at 4,000 - 5,000 hits per month.

However, in November 2005 we had over 30,000 hits!! And December has already had almost 9,000 hits and we're only into the sixth day of the month; AND most of those hits came in the first four days since I had taken the site down yesterday pending my investigation into this.

It was clear that we were headed for another "Big Bandwidth" month and that's why the web hosting service alerted us.

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Tuesday, December 06, 2005 at 11:34:55 (MST)


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Well, there has been some negative impact on our site from all the publicity we've been getting. We received a notice from the company who hosts our site that our bandwidth (traffic to the site) had blown off the chart. We were getting so many hits that they were threatening to pull our site down.


To remedy this, I hope, I have made some internal, behind-the-scenes changes to the way the site functions. That should stem the tide from people trying to get to the site via links that have been posted elsewhere.


Yes, that will turn away some people, but it's the lesser of two evils. Either we take this action and preserve the site for its intended users -- the club members -- or don't do anything, and see our site disappear because of the excessive traffic.


I did a google search of a certain page from our site [one page in particular that had, by a huge difference, the most traffic], and was astonished at how many links turned up -- thousands of them. We're all over the place. This probably started when someone put a link on their "blog" and it just mushroomed.


Some of the things I came across were not particularly complimentary, to say the least. I'll spare you the insults and innuendo. You've all been hearing it all your life. Suffice it to be said that, all in all, I believe it will be a good thing that we will be getting a clean start in this regard.


It does also mean that I am going to have to keep a much closer eye on the site statistics, and if bandwidth starts spiking again I may have to make further, more drastic changes. Among them would be to secure the entire site, making all of it password protected. I hope it does not come to that, but it we keep getting hit with huge traffic, we may have to do so.


Ever your humble webmaster,

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Tuesday, December 06, 2005 at 11:11:14 (MST)


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Has anyone been to Sears to see the new Hoover Z 400. What has happened,,, it is the most awkward and awfull looking thing!!! Cheap and unusable attachments. Complain about a Kirby being heavy.. try lifting that piece of plastic..but hey it does fold up... or I guess it does...I will be using my 50 year old vacuums and know that they will out clean the new stuff... Well got that off my chest..

Morgan T. Frazer
Dubuque, USA - Friday, December 02, 2005 at 21:16:47 (MST)


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A second website that also lists "wierd websites" has posted a link for the VCCC website, and it looks like positive publicity for the club. As a result of these postings, there are two radio interviews scheduled for tomorrow. One is with the WDVE Morning Show in Pittsburgh, the other with a radio station in England. Who knows what may come next?

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Wednesday, November 30, 2005 at 08:05:00 (MST)


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"Gentlemen ... Start Your Vacuums!"


Anyone out there ever heard of "vacuum cleaner races??!" The only thing I can figure out is that the guy may have found photos of the Swedish "Electrolux Cars" from the late 1920s. But surely he would have to be pretty dimwitted not to realize that these are car-SIZED vacuums.......! But then, eBay IS full of dimwits isn't it!!


SEE:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4421086546





Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Monday, November 28, 2005 at 22:01:51 (MST)


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Thot the following query, and my response, might be of interest.......


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DAVID DEISHER wrote:

> I have a Model 700 Hoover vacuum but have not been able to find any info
> on the machine. The serial# is 7443318 with a motor# 7M470381. It has
> some handwriting on the bottom that appears to record repair dates. One
> states 10-23-49, Roby and another states motor repaired 3-12-54, Roby. I
> assume Roby was the service technician. Can you give me more information
> on this machine? I tried the Hoover web site but the answer I got form
> them was no information on this model. By the way it still works. >

> Thanks

> David Deisher





Dear Mr. Deisher,


The Hoover 700 was introduced in 1926.


(See http://www.137.com/museum/hoover.htm)


It is no surprise that it still works, and here's another secret -- it will out-clean many modern vacuum cleaners, and would be more quiet-running, beautiful, and elegant in the bargain!


As long as it is in good operating condition and the bag is intact with no holes or tears, there is absolutely no reason you couldn't use it as your "daily driver" upright cleaner (except for people with allergies, who should use a sweeper with hepa filtration).


In case you are wondering about value, it's probably negligible. (See www.137.com/value for more information.) The only specimens that are generally of interest to collectors are ones in original condition -- that this one has been repaired several times suggests that probably the original cloth bag has been replaced, and possibly the cord and rubber bumper trim as well.


It's a shame -- and very disappointing to hear -- that you could not find any information about it from the Hoover Company. For many years, they maintained a Historical Center that had a comprehensive display of their old machines, and also had staff people who knew about them. Guess it's just a sign of the times that no one in the industry -- even at Hoover where the electric vacuum cleaner originated -- cares about the oldies any more. No one, that is, except for a few kooks like me.


Best wishes,


Charlie Lester

Webmaster

vaccc.com



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Monday, November 28, 2005 at 21:10:46 (MST)


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Today I was introduced to a website called "doubleviking.com". The top of their home page claims they are, "ruining corporate America with enough sexy chicks, funny videos, weird websites, and cool gizmos to last an eight hour work day. Well, I guess I should be honored that they consider ours to be a "weird website" because about halfway down the page is a link to the VCCC website, with one of my favorite pictures. Apparently they add new stuff daily so if you don't catch it until Saturday, it'll be on page two, or even further in as time goes on. I guess there's no telling WHERE the VCCC will show up next in cyberspace?


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Friday, November 25, 2005 at 22:09:49 (MST)


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Charlie Lester,


Oh you should see the rooms now! My Dad set the tile and right before Thanksgiving I took the Hoover Floor mate to it. But it left suqeegie marks so I took my Grandmothers old Sunbeam floor polisher and buffed it to a beautiful shine!!!


It's funny but a Sunbeam floor polisher sounds just like a Sunbeam mixmster on speed number 12!


So i'm going to the garage to get something out of the freezer for my Mom and guess what i see lining the garage floor?! Beautiful two tone green hi low shag carpeting!!! My Dad says it will keep the garage warm!

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs , CA USA - Friday, November 25, 2005 at 21:47:25 (MST)


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The Janitronic that Mark Goodall mentioned in an earlier post has a new home. I just got it and it's fantastic. It will need a good cleaning and a trip to the repair shop to check fan, bearings and so on but in general it's a great machine.


Mark, you have made my Christmas! Thakns.


Alex.


Alex Taber
El Cajon, Ca. USA - Friday, November 25, 2005 at 17:49:56 (MST)


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Hi, Everybody--Happy Thanksgiving! I couldn't agree more-The Electrolux Model G is truly an amazing machine! I own close to a dozen of those, with the exception of the Hospital G. They are pretty much the quietest vacuums I've ever used! The Model XXX's are pretty much a close second. I've bought several old vacuums these past few days, including 2 model XXX's, a Turquoise G, a Tan G, and a Silverado--All for a total of about $50.00. Anyhow--I hope you all are having a great Thanksgiving--We'll talk to "ya-all" later!!!


Nathan Thomas
Wayside, TX USA - Thursday, November 24, 2005 at 14:55:34 (MST)


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The Model G - Probably one of the best machines ever made. Solid, quiet, and a good performer. I have a few. If I had to choose just one (God forbid!) it would be a model G with a later power nozzle. I go up to visit friends in Madison Wisconsin for an annual gathering for Oktoberfest from all over the counry. I am assigned to vacuum every year before the main party happens. Last year I used their Hoover Windtunnel and got covered with dirt cleaning that damn pleated filter. This year I brought my rebuilt silver G with a PN4 to do the vacuuming. Glenn and Michael were amazed at how quiet and effective that machine was. Michael commented that standing behind it was like standing behind a jet engine. I will get one and rebuild it for them. Happy and safe Thanksgiving everyone!!!

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Wednesday, November 23, 2005 at 19:03:02 (MST)


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To Morgan and Marty:

I too love the model G. I remember the tan color one that my SCHOOL had. I was one of the kids who chose Drama class over Shop class (go figure, I'm a vacuum mechanic today) and the classroom was one of those double size rooms and had, of all things, carpeting. So there, in 1978, sat a tan model G named "Homer". When someone was late to class, they had to 'homer' for five minutes. This was, Mrs Peppers kept the rug clean. Of course, the machine was VERY quiet since the dial was set at '6' and the bag was stuffed. I brought a new bag one day, and you would have thought the machine was firing bullets, they didn't know what to do with it. It was actually working correct, and was much louder than when the bag was stuffed full. Within a few uses, the bag was clogged and 'homer' was quiet again. In fact, with the stuffed bag, it ran so quietly you would have to go up to it and put you ear near the machine to tell if it was 'on'. Don't know what ever happened to that particular 'homer' but I have a perfect one in my collection and every time I use it, it reminds me of my "much" younger days, always being late to class so I could vacuum.

tom g.
USA - Wednesday, November 23, 2005 at 18:22:06 (MST)


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Ohhhh Marty, I have gone into a state of mourning and need to go to church and light candles. I am SO SAD that your parents' wonderful green shag rug is gone. I loved it so much!!! Now what will you have to use your Sunbeam Challenger on?!


"But seriously folks" ... while I did really like that carpet [my parents' 1970 split-foyer house in Annapolis, Maryland had it from stem to stern], the "Extreme Makeover" does sound fabulous and I hope I can get out there soon to see it!


And HAPPY GOBBLE DAY to everyone!!!



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Wednesday, November 23, 2005 at 12:02:12 (MST)


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You-all will get a chuckle from this.......



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Hi:

I've got a Singer hand-held that doesn't work if you'd like to buy it. I got it years ago at an estate sale because I had never heard of Singer making a vacuum cleaner. I took it apart and asked an electrical guy if it could be fixed and he said no (didn't want to is my guess). It has sat in a bag since then. I believe it needs a new cord. Give me a fair price and shipping and it's yours. Let me know.


Sincerely,

Marilyn Hamill-Stewart


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Dear Marilyn,


Tell me ... what do -you- think is a fair price for a bag of parts that used to be a sweeper that did not work and that needs a new cord.......?!



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Wednesday, November 23, 2005 at 11:57:43 (MST)


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HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYBODY

Alex Taber
El Cajon,, Ca. USA - Wednesday, November 23, 2005 at 09:09:11 (MST)


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Hi All:


Over the last couple of months my parents have been doing some long over due redecorating. Those few of you who have been to my folks place, the 30 plus year old two tone green hi low shag carpeting is no longer!!! Cottage cheese ceiling...all gone! New windows, front door, crown molding, paint. through it all, my beautiful Electrolux model G!!! Morgan, I know what you mean by raving about your G, it just keeps going and going and going... I did start using the Hoover Telios Canister but what a piece of junk! Electrolux G is the way to go!!!!


Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!


Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Wednesday, November 23, 2005 at 01:22:03 (MST)


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That is very sad. Its actually sad that if I think about it too much, it almost makes me want to cry. The worst part is that it's not just Electrolux, but most vacuum companies in the US, we used to make such great vacuums here. Now so many of them are cheapyl made in other countries and the companies themselves aren't what they used to be. Very sad.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Tuesday, November 22, 2005 at 19:48:54 (MST)


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This is pretty sad, huh -- scroll down to the eBay link, cut and paste it into your web browser, and then read the item description.


I wrote the ebay seller and expressed my commiseration over her plight (and promised to buy a coin or two), and told her I thought that this really was a sad, tragic, shameful end to a once-glorious company that had, in its heyday, epitomized the very best of successful, quality manufacturing and was a company that had, once upon a time, really cared about its employees. That becomes clear when you study the company's history.


She replied,


> Thank you for the note. Some of the workers just want to sit in a bar and whine but a larger number of us have a plan and intend to make something of ourselves. I am 27 with a five year old son and we are going to do just fine. My Dad always told me, 'When you are hip deep in horse manure, keep looking for the pony!' Like Mulder in the 'X Files' I know the answer is 'out there.' <



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8355346754&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3ARTQ%3AUS%3A1&rd=1


Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Tuesday, November 22, 2005 at 13:03:34 (MST)


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Man is it quiet out here in cyber land... I hope everyone is just getting ready for a great holiday weekend. I am sure everyone is just vacuuming and cleaning to their hearts content to get ready for a big Thanksgiving weekend. We will be putting up the tree and outside decorations. So I did some cleaning yesterday. Model G Electrolux has become my favorite.


Well everyone enjoy Thanksgiving and family


Morgan

Morgan T. Frazer
Dubuque, IA USA - Tuesday, November 22, 2005 at 06:02:23 (MST)


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To Mark Goodall:

I would love to add the Janitronic to my collection. I regret not having kept new ones when they were available and we were selling them (both in brown and in green). Please let me know if it's still available.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Friday, November 18, 2005 at 18:36:14 (MST)


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To Mark G. & Charlie L.-


Here's another supposition/guess to the Lux XXX handle mystery. Since the XXX was made both before and after WWII (with some variations) it's possible that the availability of raw materials (mostly from rationing during the war) may have caused them to use ANY available material (plastic or rubber) to make the handles.

I believe that this is why we see variations in the Hoover models 27 & 28; steel vs. aluminum castings and bakelite vs. metal hoods were probably also a result of material availability as the war was winding down. Just a guess that makes sense to me based on the times....


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Tuesday, November 15, 2005 at 20:14:35 (MST)


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Mark, to tell you the truth I am not sure. I have always assumed that the denser black rubber handles were from the early 30s, but certainly I may be wrong about that.


I will say that as back as far as the 1970s, genuine Electrolux replacement handles for the XXX were gray rubber, and I recall seeing some bojack handles that were gray plastic.


Funny, the plastic handles probably would hold out longer as they would not be affected by the salt in people's hands (from perspiration) the way rubber is. That's also why you hardly ever find the really old black and gray rubber Kirby handles , and the old Hoover molded rubber handles (150 etc.) in good shape -- the rubber literally gets deteriorated from people using the machines.


But back to the question, again, I don't know if replacement handles were ever sold in black.



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Tuesday, November 15, 2005 at 19:57:12 (MST)


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Model XXX - Charlie, your communique regarding the ebay obnox caused me to look at your description and then check out my shelf of XXXs. If a 535 Watt XXX has a black handle (a couple of mine do), does that mean the handle was replaced?


Janitronic - anyone interested in my Janitonic - or need parts? I do not keep uprights.

Mark Goodall
Omaha, NE USA - Tuesday, November 15, 2005 at 07:29:34 (MST)


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While I do not actively patrol eBay looking for people who use material from my site or link to it in their auctions, when I happen to come across these situations I email the sellers and draw their attention to the copyright notices on my site.


Usually, the oversight is an honest mistake with no harm intended, and most people apologize and immediately remove the copyrighted material or links.


However, every so often I run into a jerk who clearly thinks s/he is entitled to take from others what s/he wants, with no consideration whatsoever for other people's property or propriety rights to such property. Here's the most egregiously snide reply I have received to date from such a seller:



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Question for item #4418697463 -


Antique 1949 Anniversary ELECTROLUX

Model XXX or 30 NR


From: kittytwitty Expires: Dec-14-05


To: sellitfouru



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I initially wrote:



=-> When you took text from my web site for use on your auction listing, you somehow missed the large and very prominent copyright notice on the page, which CLEARLY prohibits use of my site by eBay sellers. Please refer to that copyright notice (http://www.137.com/lux/luxxxxxx.html) and then remove my copyrighted text from your listing. Thank you. >-=




They replied:



=-> We most certainly respect anything that you have done in the way of educating the public on these unique vacuum cleaners. Copying someone's work is probably the highest form of compliment one human can pay to another. We even went so far as to comp;iment you further by directing others who are not so knowledgeable to your site. We certainly did not imagine that our nine dollar vacuum cleaner would cause you that much grief. We do, however, happen to have an attorney in the family who specializes in corporate law. Now that you have begun something, we'll let you have the last word, by going ahead and filing the necessary papers for copyright infringement. Have a nice day. We most certainly respect anything that you have done in the way of educating the public on these unique vacuum cleaners. Copying someone's work is probably the highest form of compliment one human can pay to another. We even went so far as to comp;iment you further by directing others who are not so knowledgeable to your site. We certainly did not imagine that our nine dollar vacuum cleaner would cause you that much grief. We do, however, happen to have an attorney in the family who specializes in corporate law. Now that you have begun something, we'll let you have the last word, by going ahead and filing the necessary papers for copyright infringement. Have a nice day. <-=


e.g. "Screw you."


It's folks like you that make eBay such a pleasure.



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Charlie Lester




P.S.: You may find this hard to believe, but the world of vintage vacuum cleaner collecting is very, very tiny. I probably know, or know of, just about anyone who would have any interest in your Electrolux.


How inclined do you think any of my fellow collectors would be to patronize your auction when they receive their BCC of my reply to you? Once the word gets out, you're not likely get even your opening bid, let alone decent bidding on it (not that in its incomplete condition it's really worth a whole heck of a lot, that is).


Kinda seems like the "don't shoot yourself in the foot" or "don't cut off your nose to spite your face" sort of thing, doesn't it.......



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Monday, November 14, 2005 at 22:06:00 (MST)


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Veteran's Day

As a tastefully decorated combat veteran, may I suggest that you buy a vet lunch tomorrow. Y'all take care.

Mark Goodall
Omaha, NE USA - Thursday, November 10, 2005 at 12:10:14 (MST)


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To Mark Goodall:

The Janitronic is definately a keeper. If for nothing else, the brush roll. This machine was made by Scott & Fetzer at the Kirby factory. Notice there's no belt lifter. This machine was not for sale 'in the home', but to the commercial market through vac shops. The nozzle was not made to be removeable and no attachments were ever made to be used with it. The nozzle (and brush roller) are slightly larger than Kirby, since the parts are now obsolete (and it was made from 1968 - 1982) it would be wise to save it for use or 'parts'. Interestingly, the machine was made to be used with the cloth bag, or the "f & g" style paper bags. Scott and Fetzer had the bags made of very strong blue paper with a yellow 'throat', and in the later years, sold the paper bags in plastic packs marked with the Kirby logo. We ordered them with the Kirby parts order, and sold them to people who had 'converted' Kirbys (converted over to use paper bags). It saved us from having to tell the customer that she could buy her 'kirby' bags at the supermarket as Eureka F & G , which of course, would have not made us any money.

tom g.
park hills, mo USA - Tuesday, November 08, 2005 at 20:04:48 (MST)


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As many of you know, vintage vacs are brought to me because of the visibility of my assemblage sculptures. Well, today someone left a Janitronic Model J. It is brown with a greenish bag that has a pattern of the letter J inside diamond shapes. Is this a keeper?

Mark Goodall
Omaha, NE USA - Tuesday, November 08, 2005 at 16:40:26 (MST)


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Your so right Charlie.. is everyone still adjusting to the time changes and the fall weather. Well that is if your having fall weather. Here in Iowa we are still having Indian Summer.. High 60's today and 70's tomorrow.


Have added a new vacuum to my collection. A Viking Dustmaster which is a Eureka model 726. this one was used mabey once or twice. Still had the original bag. The only tools ever used were the dusting brush and crevise tool. So I am off to clean....well play... Later..


Morgan T. Frazer
Dubuqe, IA USA - Monday, November 07, 2005 at 21:12:44 (MST)


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Rec'd the following query to the site. Can anyone help this guy - assuming anyone is reading the forum?!


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The bearings in my Airway Sanitizer model 55A needed replacement. After 2 months of having it apart, I have forgotten how to put it back together. Can you let me know where I can get an exploded view of this machine so the reassembly can begin?


Hopefully,

Frank Wilhelm

piglets@imaginenet.net



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Monday, November 07, 2005 at 09:54:35 (MST)


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Gee, no one (but me) has posted since Halloween ... "WHERE IS EV-RY-BO-DY??!" :(


Did anyone pick up that Hoover in North Carolina?

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Sunday, November 06, 2005 at 19:57:28 (MST)


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Per my previous post, guess you need the email address to contact the guy ... it got truncated off because it was in "link" mode which this forum software - wisely - forbids! sorry. It's "jwerner5@nc.rr.com"



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 20:09:40 (MST)


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We rec'd the following email to the web site. Anyone in the Raleigh NC area who wants this, feel free to contact the guy directly.


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From: "Jeff Werner"

To:




Gentlemen:


I have the following unit available for any of your members who may desire it:


Sears Model POWER MATE - 11656512690 (POWERMATE) Vacuum Cleaner


It is available for a donation of your choice. A repairman at Sears here in Raleigh suggested I offer this to your organization.


If anyone is interested, please contact me. I hope this will make someone out there happy.


Sincerely,


Jeffrey T. Werner



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Tuesday, November 01, 2005 at 17:40:27 (MST)


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HAPPY HALLOWEEN everybody.

Alex Taber
El Cajon, Ca. USA - Monday, October 31, 2005 at 16:45:38 (MST)


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Tom-

Glad you enjoyed the Dyson article. I don't think I would have recognized the differences between the DC07 and the DC14 if I hadn't talked to you and experienced both models personally. Both are more maneuverable in the upright mode than I had expected, though the 14 definitely has advantages in the wand configuration. I still think the instruction book needs more "fine tuning" than the machine does. The only things I'd change about the machine are the brush roll (so it releases hair more easily) and adding and optional non-stretch hose. Feel free to pass the article along to your friends at Dyson, if you'd like to.


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Saturday, October 29, 2005 at 08:25:48 (MDT)


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Good morning,


I have to also tip my hat to Louis. The newletter (magazine) was wondferful. The pictures of the convention and all the new members were awesome. The articles were great. Thanks to everyone who took part and put forth all the effort. Can't wait for next year. Sounds like plans are being made.


Hope a trip to Stans theatere is part of the plans. That would be great fun and there are many of us in the club who are organist so hearing Stan play would be a great treat.


Thanks Louis for sending the Life Magazine article as well. It was a great feature. So many vacuums!!!





Morgan T. Frazer
Dubuque, IA USA - Saturday, October 29, 2005 at 08:21:24 (MDT)


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RJ:

Wonderful piece in the newsletter about your experiences with Dyson. You hit the nail on the head with you commentary about cleaning old cloth bags and the great success with using DC14. I too have quite a collection of vintage cloth-bag cleaners. When I get a 'new' member - the first thing to do is clean the cloth bag (and look for tears or rips to be repaired). I always find that the very fine, decayed dust in the cloth bags clogs up the filter in whatever vacuum I'm using as my 'shop vac'. Except when I use a Dyson. It's for that reason alone I came to feel the Dyson is superior to bag type sweepers. But I don't enjoy cleaning with a Dyson. It's the means to an end (a clean house).


I definately enjoy using my vintage cleaners. Unlike modern things like Dyson, a Hoover 700 is a joy to use. I smile the whole time I'm using an Electrolux LX-1. Am I crazy or what?

tom gasko
USA - Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 21:39:52 (MDT)


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Hey guys,


Sorry this is a bit late, but I just wanted to say how fabulous the most recent newsletter was. After reading it, it made me remember just how much fun I had. It was also the first time I had ever been to California, so it made it twice as fun and exciting. Louis, you have worked hard as the newsletter editor these past two years, and your work has been absolutely fabulous! Thank you for all your time and effort! And Alex, you are a very fun and knowledgeable guy, and are most definitely qualified for the new newsletter editor. I can't wait to see your work!


Thank you to everyone who attended the past convention and made it as fun and successful as it was, and louis, thank you once again for your hard work as newsletter editor.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Sunday, October 23, 2005 at 17:21:50 (MDT)


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Help!


A friend of mine gave me a Sunbeam touch and go vacuum. It's a broom type vacuum, blue, skinny and has a revolving brushroll. I am looking for bags. If anyone has any extra, i'll buy. I am using a hoover belt ( the one for DAM power drive not the brushroll belt) and it fits perfectly. Just looking for the bags now. Oh the model number is 601-1. Thanks! Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Sunday, October 23, 2005 at 16:08:44 (MDT)


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NEWSLETTER-

Today I heard from two different sources about two members who have not yet received their newsletters. If you have not received yours, or know of another member that hasn't received theirs, please contact Louis Rescigno at > to request a replacement copy. Since he used up his pre-printed labels on the original mailing, please include your mailing address with your request. Thanks!


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Saturday, October 22, 2005 at 15:47:20 (MDT)


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WOW!!!

Got the latest newsletter in last Saturday's mail. What a GREAT issue!!! A tip of the hat to Louis and everyone else involved for a job well done! And Charlie, can't wait to see chapter 2 of your story!

Best regards to one & all,

Jeff

Jeff Schroff
Galion, OH USA - Friday, October 21, 2005 at 20:12:11 (MDT)


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Greetings to all, I know that this is a bit late but I just arrived home yesterday and I wanted to send out a very special thank you to Mark Turbyfill for hosting such a great mini meet. I went out a week early to help Mark get ready for this and he was wonderful host. It was so much fun helping him in the shop and getting things ready It was so good to see Roger, Michael, Dave, Brent, RJ, Richard, Mike, and Ken again. We had so much fun and I just wish that more of you could have been there as well. I don't think that anyone went home without some new treasures. On Monday Mark took us on a tour of Spokane that was so interesting. Once again Thanks Mark for being such a great friend and a perfect host.


Terry

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Friday, October 21, 2005 at 11:59:58 (MDT)


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Louis I just wanted to send a BIG THANK-YOU for the great Newsletter. I enjoyed reading it from cover to cover. Thanks for all of you hard work! Terry

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Friday, October 21, 2005 at 11:50:23 (MDT)


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Hi everyone,Just want to say'Thanks,Kudos,and Cheers'to Louis Rescigno for doing an outstanding job on the newsletter!! Alex Taber has a real hard act to follow but I'm sure he can handle it.--Jim

Jim Harakal
Mena, Ar USA - Thursday, October 20, 2005 at 14:26:38 (MDT)


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To Tom G:


Whoever told you that the convention speaker and "all the details" were already worked out was either being overly enthusiastic, or was misinformed. The list of possible hotels has narrowed considerably from the twenty I started with, and the next round of eliminations should leave us with the final choices. Marty K. has assisted me with some computer research, although no on-site visits have been made yet.


One of our members has graciously agreed to design our centerpiece/table decorations, and that process has already begun. As I mentioned in the email I sent you last week, I'd be contacting you soon about local participation. I've spoken to Stan Kann and Ruth Hollander to confirm their availability, although any scheduling within our time frame is only a list of potential activities at this point.


Until your posting on this forum, no suggestions had been made for guest speakers. Since then, the Board has suggested one additional name. If still more are suggested, they can also be considered. If time allows, I see no reason why we can't have mulitple speakers representing different perspectives. After all, our club is a diverse group with many different ideas about favorite machines.


If you or any other club member should hear any other rumors regarding convention plans, you can certainly feel free to contact me for verification, so we can minimize the promotion of incomplete and/or incorrect information.


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Thursday, October 20, 2005 at 01:03:31 (MDT)


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To Marty R.:

There are all kinds of tricks to make using the DC07 easier. I'll show you at the St. Louis convention. The month of June, 2006 is the launch of a very special model Dyson, exclusive to America. I have it right now, on the home trial program, and can honestly say that our old "friend", Communist Reports, should LOVE the next model (right now, it has no model designation). One of the 'paces' I'm going to put it through is cleaning the lobby carpet at the Fox Theater next time when Stan and I go. He's bringing the Huge Hoover, 972, and I'm bringing the next model Dyson. Let's see which one cleans better... No matter who 'wins', I'm still in love with the 972. Just think, it was $135 in 1926...and will outclean almost any vacuum on the market today.


To RJ: Someone told me that the convention speaker (as well as the hotel and all the details) were already worked out for St. Louis 2006. Didn't your buddy Marty K. do all the leg work already? Someone said he did. I've had so much on my plate with the home trial Dyson, the Hoover Extreme (a Windtunnel with the Fusion's filtration system) plus the store to run and vintage vacs to restore, plus Stan is going through his collection to put some on eBay (I convinced him NOT to put anything on eBay that is really special or rare, but to save it for club members), plus Stan gave me a whole bunch of original cloth bags for machines in my collection, so I've been very busy making them look their very best. The Dyson company has been approached about being a corporate sponsor and they, of course are interested. I have a box full of Dyson T-Shirts, pens, prizes, CD's, etc. just wjaiting to be given away at the 2006 meeting. I also approached them about giving the club a DC15 for the contest. I didn't mean to step on your toes, you have done a great job so far. I'm definately going to sit back, relax, put my feet up, and enjoy everything you've put together for the next meeting.


To Morgan F.:

I've heard at least ten of my club member friends mention your name when we're talking about nominations for the next club President. RJ's term is up in June, and I for one would LOVE to see you run for office. You would make an EXCELLENT club President and I for one (among MANY) would definately vote for you. Please consider it.

tom gasko
park hills, MO USA - Wednesday, October 19, 2005 at 17:15:55 (MDT)


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Hi, Everybody! Charlie, I thoroughly enjoyed your article in the latest Newsletter! I Love It! The more I read it the more it sounds like me! I Love It!!! Marty, That's sure a sweet model CA! I could almost "Shoot Myself" for not buying those 2 CA's at the garage sale a couple of years ago but I didn't realize their value at the time, but--who knows--maybe I'll run into a CA again. Alex--I'll be sending you some pictures of my collection for your up-coming newsletters, I think you'll enjoy them. Charlie--I hope you get over your flu bug soon--Just drink lot's and lot's of water and it'll be gone in no time!!! Once again, Excellent Article!!!!

I thoroughly enjoyed it.


Take Care, Everybody--Until next time--Chow!

Nathan Thomas
Wayside, TX USA - Wednesday, October 19, 2005 at 16:15:02 (MDT)


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Following Charlie's suggestion below, I'm looking for a machine that's been on my "wish list" for quite some time. A Hoover Constellation, model 88. It does NOT have to be perfect (or even running, for that matter. It does NOT have to come with tools, etiher). But I would like it to have the color-matching tool caddy that hinges on the back.

What would I give for it? Well, I have several other models of Constellation I'd swap as a "fair trade." Or maybe another brand or model you'd prefer?

If you have a model 88 Constellation you'd be willing to part with, drop me a line & let me know & we'll talk!


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Tuesday, October 18, 2005 at 20:03:42 (MDT)


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Well, it's rain rain rain again in "Sunny" Southern California ....... as I am sure most of you have heard, we DO have four seasons out here -- earthquakes, brush fires, floods, and landslides... Looks like we're enjoying three out of the four right now... *sigh*


Which means given my bout with some very strange kind of flu bug, I'm home-bound yet another day. Can't be going out in this miss with my lungs hangin' out of my mouth...


I'll spend some time tweaking and fixing a few little clinkers here and there on the site in-between still more bad television. You know, bad TV is kind of like crack. It's really habit forming isn't it. Gawd, what it must be doing to young impressionable children. Don't even want to wrap my mind around that.......


Anywayyyyy.......


I'd like to take this time to suggest that those who have had their own "mini-meetings" might want to submit photos, write-ups, etc., of those events for the web site's Club Room and/or publishing in the newsletter. That way, everyone can feel like they were able to participate on at least some level.


Ditto for photos of your collections, personal memories, wish lists, glorious finds, questions, repair tips, etc. etc. etc. You know - the kinds of things we all talk about one-on-one on the phone and in email with one another. Much of the vacuum chatter that goes on behind the scenes could be much more widely shared and enjoyed than it is now.


With wish lists in particular, what greater / easier way could there be for filling in the blanks in your collections? Whether it be for a particular nozzle or attachment, or an entire machine, why not send out the word to fellow collectors via the forum or newsletter, instead of paying the now-legendary and frequently outrageous rates on eBay?


Most of us are prone to be pack-rats to some extreme ... some worse than others ... while this may make good fodder for the therapist's couch and much teeth-gnashing by roommates, housemates, significant others, husbands, wives, parents, etc.; at the same time, it also makes a viable way to FINNNNND stuff you're looking for, and often for no more cost than the shipping. If even that. More than likely, SOMEONE has squirreled away that 1923 Hoover floor polisher head that you're dying to have. And it could be yours for the price of shipping or maybe a trade of something that YOU have hoarded away.


We used to have a lot of fun in the early days trading and swapping and sending stuff to one another; sometimes coming home and finding a "sweeper care package" on the front porch that just arrived out of the blue one day. That hardly ever happens anymore. And I think it's partly because of the fact that as the club has grown, the tight networking that used to happen has loosened considerably. And, of course, partly because of eBay.


And THAT is really what this club is supposed to be all about, if you know its history --- a club where like-minded collectors can COME TOGETHER and SHARE this magnificent obsession instead of "keeping it hidden in the cleaning closet."


So come on, boys and girls! Submit, Submit, Submit!! Send, Send, Send!!! As Alex Taber said, your officers and appointed servants can't run this club alone.


Thank you for ALL being active participants!!!!



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Tuesday, October 18, 2005 at 08:24:14 (MDT)


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Well my newsletter came today!

Charlie Lester, I really enjoyed chapter 1 of your story. Something very interesting, my mom has the same theory about me hearing her vacuum before I was born, which really does seem possible.


Louis R., the newsletter was very good. As always, I love getting the newsletter and reading it.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Monday, October 17, 2005 at 21:28:13 (MDT)


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Okay...


I have


f - i - n - a - l - l - y


archived the old postings. I could smell the smoke coming from RJ's computer all the way here in L.A. so I knew it was time...! haha


"But Seriously Folks" this IS a time-consuming process and has to be done "verrry delicately" as the Wicked Witch of the West said, or things can go terribly kafloooey. That's why I don't do it more often.


Example - archiving six months' worth of postings took almost three hours today. When I am in the bloom of good health and of sound mind (okay, never mind), it would go a little faster -- but while under the influence of TheraFlu and Robitussin, I really had to take my time and make sure nothing got screwed up.


But, today, what with being home from work and languishing in bed watching bad TV programs (okay, they're ALL bad, but especially bad in the daytime), it seemed to be the best chance I'll probably have in a while to get it done, so I finally just decided to get up and do it.


So anyway, there you have it.


Then to the newsletter, Louis, you did an EXCELLENT, FABULOUS, GLORIOUS job. I am one of a privileged few club members who knows first-hand what a big job THAT is and you rose to the challenge. I look forward to seeing the efforts of the newest editor, Alex Taber.


I've gotten quite a bit of response to my "Sweeper Memories" article. Seems a lot of it resonates with a lot of other collectors. So, RJ, I will have to figure out some kind of damage control and redo (again) the remaining chapters so the context flows correctly. Don't know yet how I am going to do this but I'll figure something out.


And, now, back to bed, for yet another episode of Jerry Springer ...... on TV I mean, not here in real life ....... I HOPE!!



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Monday, October 17, 2005 at 20:54:36 (MDT)


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Ol' Crabby here, sticking my head in from my sick bed (flu) to say not only is it being a "pal" to provide your email address when posting to the Forum, it's also a requirement of the Forum Guidelines -- for security purposes.


Members may want to take a moment and review the Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.


Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Monday, October 17, 2005 at 15:26:28 (MDT)


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To Tom G-


I'm somewhat puzzled by your recent post. You say that you never seem to receive a newsletter. Have you contacted the editor about this? Or the treasurer, who maintains the roster and provides the labels for newsletter mailing? If there's a glitch in our system, I'd certainly like to know so I can address it. Perhaps you can let me know which newsletter issues you do have so we can figure out which ones you may be missing. The current issue was mailed last Wednesday; I received mine on Saturday. Since different areas of the country take different times for delivery, please keep me posted is you don't have yours within a week of mailing. I think you'd especially enjoy this one, since it have my review of the DC-14, along with lots of color pictures of the Los Angeles convention.


Your post goes on to mention the possiblity of James Dyson as convention speaker and continues, "but I understand there are already other plans". Are you saying that Mr. Dyson has other plans and would not be available? Or are you saying that there are other plans for a convention speaker? If other plans are being made for a guest speaker, no one has consulted with me about it. I'm sure you remember from the policies established during your tenure as president that convention coordination is the responsibility of the president. If someone is making plans for a guest speaker, I would certainly hope that they would consult with me regarding this issue.


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Monday, October 17, 2005 at 03:59:53 (MDT)


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Hey Tom,


I don't think there is anyone lined up to be the guest speaker as of yet so if you can get James Dyson by all means get him!!! I would love to meet him! I will try that trick to release some of the suction when using the hose on my Dyson and will let you know how it turns out.



Jeff,


I too have the DC07 Animal model and i love it on the rugs. I will rethink the tools when i try Tom's trick to release some of the suction. What i do wish is that they sell the book brush that is available on one of the DC15's as a separate optional tool. I would buy it.



PS Tom, be a pal and put your email on your post so i don't have to search for my roster through that big pile of paper allegedly known as my desk. I will be talking to you soon. Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Sunday, October 16, 2005 at 16:41:08 (MDT)


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Marty:

We are opposite on Dyson tools, I actually like using the tools, and while the dusting brush could be better, the crevice tool and the upholstry tool are very good.

I am also very impressed with the tool suction, I believe it to be the strongest I have ever encountered as it makes the turbo brush nozzles I have sound like they are gonna take off!

What the Dyson does need is some type of carrying handle, I usually hold the hose with one hand and the top of the dirt bin with the other, sometimes the bin becomes detached...I think I read somewhere they had corrected this issue(I have a DC07 Animal) but maybe the one I have is older.

Overall its not a bad vacuum, it just takes some getting used to. I like the quiet-ness and that it maneuvers well. The handle is also comfortable, and the hose/wand reaches all the way to the top of my stairs without lifting the cleaner.

Drawbacks are the tiny brush roller that easily becomes entangled wity hair, the nozzle suction inlet right over the belt, no headlight, no carry handle, and the amount of stuff that seems to stick up in the cyclones of the dirt container. I can tap tap tap that thing and get dirt out of it for 10 minutes after releasing the bottom of the bin.

I was at Lowes yesterday buying a new faucet for my downstairs bathroom and stopped to look at the DC15 and the BALL. I can see the advantages of the DC15 over the DC07, but am not crazy about the small diameter for the extension tube, even smaller still on The Ball. It also looks like you can take the cyclones apart on the newer cleaners too.


Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Sunday, October 16, 2005 at 09:48:40 (MDT)


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Once again, I find myself thanking my good friends at the VCCC. Your generosity and kind thoughts are overwhelming. I can1t tell you how the gorgeous flowers touched my heart and brightened my spirit. You are all so very special to me.

I have every intention of attending the 2005/2006 Convention. Besides, I1ve been threatening Tom Gasko that I was going to visit him and his remarkable collection for the past 8 years.

Here1s hoping that all the negativity from this past year has been left behind along with my room at Broward General Hospital. The hospital doctor discharged me this past Thursday. I am now recovering in the comfort of my own home, which, by the way I have only had the pleasure to spending two nights prior to my illness. With a little luck, I will find new employment soon and normal life can begin again for me.

Thanks again, from the bottom of my heart for all of your kindness.


Michael LaBue
Ft. Lauderdale, FL USA - Sunday, October 16, 2005 at 08:53:04 (MDT)


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To past newsletter editor Louis from the new newsletter editor. GREAT jOb!! The hard work paid off big time, thank's for making Kinko's get it RIGHT.


To the membership. I have a number of ideas for future newsletters but I can't do it alone. As both Louis and R.J. said please send me whatever you have in the way of ads, cartoons, articles, and human interest stories. I plan to profile one club menber in each issue and that could mean you, so please jot down a few comments about yourself, how old you were when you were bitten by the vacuum cleaner bug, what your favorite machines are and a bit about you collection in general. E-mail those to me so I can file them into my computer.


I know that most of our board members and other staff are limited on time spent on club business. As I am semi-retired I plan to be at this desk several hours every day. For me, the newsletter will be a job not just a hobby. I plan to grind out historical information both electric and non-electric. At this years convention I gave the club three books of patents that I started acquiring back in 1972 and completed in 1990. These are patents of Electrolux, Hoover and Kirby. I have also devoted a lot of time over the years working on a biography of both Electrolux and Kirby.


If you have questions I'll try to find the answer, or if you just want to talk about vacuum cleaners, Call or e-mail me.



Alex Taber
El Cajon, Ca USA - Saturday, October 15, 2005 at 21:05:18 (MDT)


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hey whassup? I just got a newsletter "Post Convention Issue" Looks like all y'all musta had a perty good time? maybe someday I'll get to come to one a all y'alls meetings. All y'all went all out I see...Vacuum cleaners on the dinner table? givin vacuum cleaners names? sounds like quitea deal! How many vacuums wouldja say were probly there? who brought the most? (I'm sure ya noticed that I used the word "All Y'all"- this is cuz "y'all" is only one person..."all y'all" is more than one. I also noticed by the directory all y'all sent me, that there's another feller in Oklahoma besides me collectin vacuums! Good ta know I'm not alone!well, over and out...10-fore good buddy I'll be seein all y'all one day! Don't forget to tell me who brought the most vacuums!

Jason Davis
Dewey, OK USA - Saturday, October 15, 2005 at 17:57:48 (MDT)


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Hi Marty:

Glad to hear you got your newsletter. You'll have to let me see it sometime. I never seem to receive one.


The Dyson hose is easy to use IF you release some of the suction. Squeeze the tabs on the blockage removal port and lift it up about 1/2 inch. This is like opening the suction control on a canister. The very powerful suction will be reduced by about 1/2 making it very easy to use the hose and attachments.


Also, when using the Dyson as an upright, place the cord in the slot at the top behind the suction opening in the handle. Close the little vented cover and your cord will not get in your way but will be held up nicely on the handle.


I was going to see if I could get James Dyson to speak at the St. Louis covention, but I understand there are already other plans. Hope the guest speaker will be as interesting as James. He'll be in America the entire month of June next year for the lauch of the ConstantMAX model. Perhaps I can have him come to my shop and I'll privately invite a few interested club members over to meet him in person. I think he's an interesting and dynamic person, certainly someone a vacuum collector would want to meet.

tom g.
USA - Saturday, October 15, 2005 at 16:05:52 (MDT)


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Louis, just got the newsletter in the mail today. It's fantstic! Good Job!!!


Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Saturday, October 15, 2005 at 13:15:44 (MDT)


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Jeff, I have the DC07 Animal myself and am constantly amazed what a Great Dane and two messy roommates can leave behind. I didn't realize that i should check the brushroll( I just thought everything would be sucked into the collection bin.) What a surprised when i turned the machine over and found the brush roll completely covered with hair and threads.


I like the Dyson to vacuum the rugs only. I find that i have to fight with the hose for dusting so i just pull out the Electrolux ( be it the Marquis, L , or the Lux/Eureka Oxygen) when i want to vacuum everything else.

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Saturday, October 15, 2005 at 01:01:31 (MDT)


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To Marty:

Haven't had a chance to play with a Fusion yet, they just started turning up in the stores around here.

I've just recently had the chance to play with a Dyson DC07 Animal, and use it in my house. Its not as bad as I thought it would be, but that tiny brush roller really gags on all the dog hair, becoming quite tangled. My neighbor across the street had a similar problem with a Dyson last year, too much pet hair for the teeny tiny brush roll to cope with.

Kinda fun to play with though, I get a kick out of watching the dog hair swirl in that bin, for about 5 minutes, then its so full that it stops spinning!

No wonder I'm changing the bag in my Convertible every other week!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Thursday, October 13, 2005 at 15:29:42 (MDT)


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Marty,,

About the Windtunnel beater bar,,Of the ones I have worked on. They use a little plastic lever inside the case that relieves pressure on the beater bar belt so it wont turn while using the tools. The draw back I have seen is that the belt is still in contact with the motor shaft and not moving,,thus wearing out a spot in the belt,,until it breaks. My sisters windtunnel eats this belt about every two months. Due to the wear spots,,and her rationalization that anything that hits the floor should be able to fit in the vacuum,including Polly pocket dolls! Good thing the cat or the dog doesnt stay around her during the house cleaning ritual of sacrificing a virgin object to the vacuum god *grin*

I dont know about the rest of you collectors,,but I sure felt like I missed a great time up at the mini meet! And I know for sure Marty Rocha and myself wouldve ended up shipping a few new prizes home!

Victor


Victor Lee
Palm Springs, CA USA - Thursday, October 13, 2005 at 01:08:41 (MDT)


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Dear Friends & Fellow Collectors,


Wheeewww!!! The newsletter has finally mailed today, Wednesday, October 12!


You will receive a full color 32-page magazine that includes over eleven pages of color photos from this past June's convention in California.


What a BEAR of a newsletter to publish I might add. A thirty-two pager was no easy task! Many, many, many hours were spent just downloading, organizing, and importing photos from June's convention via emails received from our president, RJ Vanik, not to mention the many articles, as well. RJ and I have put a lot of hard work and time into this publication and it is still not nearly as perfect as I would have liked it to be.


Printing began on September 29th and problems arose from the onset. The file could not be properly read and so Kinkos farmed the job out via email to a third party and that's where the comedy of errors began. When Kinkos received the file back and began their part of the process, their inexperience with new software capabilities and constraints further complicated the equation impart as a result of their fairly newly established partnership with FedEx. Somehow, several of the previous variables (some of which I had established with them from the beginning of my tenure as editor/publisher) changed and I looked like the crazy guy. However, I challenged the constraints and drove them hard until they got it right! It only took three printings and like I said earlier, it is still not nearly as perfect as I would have liked it to be!


And so here it is for you to enjoy. Mailing them out is another chore in itself. I had to handle each envelope four times--three stamps and one return label had to be affixed, one denomination at a time. I had Kinkos reprint the labels since they used the previous ones on the goof-ups and asked them to affix them to the new envelopes. NOW.....


If there is anyone who is a current member who does not receive a newsletter, please don't panic. Let Dave Olsen know and he will forward that information to me and I will get one out to you ASAP!


So guys, let us know what you think. In the meantime, enjoy!


Louis




Louis Rescigno, Newsletter Publisher/Editor
Madison, CT USA - Wednesday, October 12, 2005 at 19:02:48 (MDT)


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Just to let everyone know, member Michael LaBue is in Broward General Hospital until the end of this week an/or possibly longer.


The phone number is 954-355-4400, room 316. I'm sure he would appreciate hearing from his vacuum friends. I do not have the address for the hospital or his new Ft. Lauderdale address. Please note, he and John just moved to a new condo last week so any address you may have had previously is not correct.


If nothing else, say a prayer for his recovery. Those of you have met him will probably never forget him! And, keep in mind, at the 2003-04 conventions, he was responsible for nearly $1000 worth of raffle sales so we as a club are indebted on some level.


Thanks!

C. Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Tuesday, October 11, 2005 at 17:49:37 (MDT)


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Tom,


Thanks for the info on the Hoover Fusion. I'm not wild about the color either and it's a shame the brushroll does not turn off when using the attachments. The Windtunnel can, why not the Fusion?


New models of Electrolux from Lowes appeared in the Parade magazine in the Sunday paper this morning. Looks like they put a PN on what looks the be the Harmony but they are calling it the Oxygen3 model. The upright version looks like the first Lux ( the real Electrolux) from the 70's, big and bulky.

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Monday, October 10, 2005 at 00:15:52 (MDT)


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Spokane update

Hi Everyone, We are having a great time here and wish that you were all here with us!! Terry has been a great help and wonderful company this past week. I couldn't have done his without him. Today we went to the home show and had a fun time playing with the new Lux, Rainbow, and Tri Stars. Can you believe that there were no Kirby dealers there??? We have had a great day here at the house playing with vacuums and my new Front Loading washer. We had breakfast at a little local waffle shop and tonight we ordered KFC and enjoyed the rest of RJ's birthday cake.

Marc Turbyfill
Spokane, wa USA - Sunday, October 09, 2005 at 22:51:39 (MDT)


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Marty:

The Hoover Fusion has decent suction. It's fun to use. It cleans the rug very well. I like how the turbo brush hangs on-board. Wish the pre-motor filter was not just a 1/4 inch piece of foam. Leaks some fine dust. A Hepa filter would have made it run cleaner. Probably that's what the 'improvement' will be in the next version of the Fusion. I like the telescopic handle and really like how the switch is right at your thumb. It's not as clean to empty as the Dyson, you have to actually brush the inside holes clean on the Hoover. But it does vacuum the rug really well and has decent suction. Don't care for the color, though. Would have looked better in some other color. Wish it had a way to shut off the brush when using attachments or for bare floor cleaning. The Fusion uses the Windtunnel's brush roller, which accounts for the Fusion's fine performance on carpets.

tom g.
USA - Sunday, October 09, 2005 at 12:51:47 (MDT)


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SPOKANE UPDATE


Started the day with a continental breakfast at Marc's home. Spent much of the late AM and early PM going through Marc's huge paper collection; several pieces I'd never seen before. LOTS of GE,Premier, and Kenmore documents. Later it was testing out machines in his (home) basement, followed by a tour of his garage. He was looking to make some room in his basement and garage, so lots of his (former) machines now have new homes. Spent the later PM at thrift stores, then the whole gang went out to dinner. Back to Marc's for desert (cake & ice cream; my birthday today). My favorite find of the day was the Hoover 34 that's eluded me for years. That's one more I can cross of my "wish list". I think the plan for today is to spend much of the time a Marc's store, since it's not open for business today. We may do a "basement cleanout" there. More updates later.



R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Sunday, October 09, 2005 at 09:51:00 (MDT)


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RJ senility is sinking in since i misspelled my last name! But you know how it's spelled!


NEXT TOPIC:


Has anyone had any chance to use an Electrolux Harmony? I was at Sears earlier this week and was looking at one. They look kind of cute and i like the attachments. Also, has anyone used the Hoover Fusion? I also have my eye on that one and wonder if maybe Jeff or Fred S. has anything to say about it ?

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs , CA USA - Saturday, October 08, 2005 at 13:07:10 (MDT)


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RJ, I was hoping someone would give us a daily rundown on the mini meet. I really wanted to go but me brother's College gradution was last night and we are having a big family gathering tomorrow for his graduation and for my father's birthday and my sister, who lives in Olympia and RARELY visits California, is going to be here for a week. If none of this were going on ( i would have taken Dad for dinner later this week )I would have been there. Did Mike fly up there or did he ride his bike (well maybe that's too far to ride, duh!) Anyway, just thought about him because we are having "California Heat" here in Palm Springs. This town is filled and i mean FILLED with people on motorcycles!! The bikes are cool to look at and hear, mostly Harleys. Wouldn't get on one though after working 15 years in trauma LOL! Give us another update tonight if you can. And remind Marc, I have Saniway S wands and a carpet nozzle on my wish list if he digs them up. Have a great time all!

Martin Rcoha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Saturday, October 08, 2005 at 12:58:56 (MDT)


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The spokane mini-meet began to take shape last evening as participants gathered at Marc Turbyfill's store. Several different geographic regions were represented with Terry Lattz(IL) Ken Johnson(MT) Mike Banta(CA) Roger LeQuea, Michael Thomas(AZ) David Olsen, Brett Schiewe (OR) Marc Turbyfill and myself (WA)participating. We spent much of the evening trying out different machines, eating pizza and socializing. This morning we're meeting at Marc's home for breakfast,then a day of thrift store hunting. More to report later.


I also want to take a moment to wish a HAPPY BIRTHDAY to members Jim Cowardin (10/08) and Mark Thomas (10/10).


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Saturday, October 08, 2005 at 08:59:40 (MDT)


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So the other night I was watching a DVD of that goofy 1960s variety show "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In" ....... when, what to wondering eyes should appear ....... See www.137.com/modern and go to the third page of that section!



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Saturday, October 01, 2005 at 23:42:17 (MDT)


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after not coming to the forum for a while its good to read past post. thats what happens when a new partner takes up with u, im as happy as if id hit a thrift store and hit the mother load, looks like a move is in the near future for me and the children

ron

ron d jones
USA - Friday, September 30, 2005 at 17:23:52 (MDT)


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Hi, All--Well, I'm Now the "Proud Owner" of a Vintage Fairfax Vacuum--Matter of fact I now have two!!! Went "Junking" yesterday, and bought an almost all chrome, Fairfax Vacuum Cleaner, for less than $10.00! Talk about Suction!!! When I pulled the motor unit off of it and turned it on, and set it on the floor--That dude will literally stick to the floor! I'll tell you that's some incredible suction! The machine came with it's original hose, and what looks to be a floor tool with scrubbing type brushes on it, also it came with an extra center piece that fits inside. The tank inside looks spotless! Who knows--If anybody has an Electrolux Hospital G--Maybe we could do some trading--as I probably don't need two Fairfaxes but it really is a pretty one! Hope you all are doing well, and yes, it's really sad about the person who lost everything to the hurricane--Anyhow--That's it for now--Until next time--

Nathan

Nathan Thomas
Wayside, TX USA - Friday, September 30, 2005 at 14:51:33 (MDT)


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Terry,


Sorry I won't be able to attend Mark's mini meet. Just found out that a good friend is dying of cancer. Now in the liver so she has about 2 weeks...



Morgan T. Frazer
Dubuqe, IA USA - Thursday, September 29, 2005 at 06:11:04 (MDT)


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Fred,


Thanks for the Post. It is so good to hear that Charlie is back on board. And that board members are all ready planning for the convention next year. It takes team work to make this club work and communication to the rest of the membership...

Again thank you Fred and WELCOME BACK CHARLIE!!!




Morgan T. Frazer
Dubuque, IA USA - Thursday, September 29, 2005 at 06:08:29 (MDT)


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Hi to all, Thank you Fred for letting us all know about this. I would like to be the first one here to welcome Charlie back to the board. I am so glad to have you back! And yes Fred, it was a fabulous time at your home this past weekend. We had so much fun playing with all of Fred's beautiful vacuums as well as changing his vacuum rooms all around. Fred is a fantastic host and we all had a great weekend. Saturday evening Jeff Parker hosted us at his home. He had a delicious prime rib dinner for us. It was great to see his collection again as well.

Just want to also remind all of you that it isn't to late to plan on coming to Mark Turbyfill's mini meet the weekend of Oct. 7,8,9. If you are interested just go back to the orginal posting on July 22nd. for the details. I am leaving for Mark's this weekend so if you plan to come just give us a call at 509-327-2244 Mark'home or at 509-327-4662 Mark's shop and let us know if you are coming, the more the merrier! Several people are already planning on being there. I know that we will have a great time. Terry

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Wednesday, September 28, 2005 at 22:21:17 (MDT)


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Greetings members!! Charlie Watrous has been reinstated as a board member. Charlie Lester - please add him to the masthead on this site. Plans are underway for St. Louis - stay tuned . . .

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 at 21:42:55 (MDT)


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[I am forwarding this with Jimmy's consent - so many people wanted to know more about what happened, so here it is from the horse's mouth ~C]


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Hello to all, Mr. Jimmy Descant, Rocketman; and Mrs. Penelope Getman-Descant calling.


We want to say thanks to all our friends and family that have gotten touch via e-mail with concerns for our health, safety, and whereabouts.


For anyone who hasn't heard the story, I'm going to tell it, including updates, followed by an appeal.


We left New Orleans June 29 with a truck full of art, our 2 cats, and our 1984 Shasta camper for a 2 month trip thru the American West, 3 art shows, and a hunt for the perfect mountain range to nestle against. We had gone on such a trip last year, and fell in love with southern Utah's majesty, and proximity to so many natural wonders; and truly set our sights on moving from New Orleans, my home area for life, and Penelope's for years.


An outdoor show 4th of July in Denver went well, but not fantastic sales; but we were camping in the Rockies! My next show was in Pasadena scheduled for opening Aug. 6, but got postponed 2 weeks, so we hurried a schedule together to head straight south to Phoenix, and with the greatest effort, the folks at the Phoenix Family Museum got a gallery to let me have a 1 night special show, and we made a grand hit. Though no sales there I may be working at this future world class children's museum next year designing interiors of buildings in "rocketship interior" stylings. The possibilities are endless, and large in scope.


Before going to Pasadena for the group show opening, "America", we went back to Utah to look at land and places, dreaming all the time. It was great getting educated about another state.


The show in Pasadena was a great time, I made lots of contacts, was excited about the possibilities, but only sold my lowest price piece. After finding out that the show length was cut in half due to their schedule mixup, I arranged any unsold pieces to be transferred to another gallery in Hollywood.


We left Ca. and headed for New Mexico, and Santa Fe. Penelope found a great little adobe hotel in the small town of Espanola, NM; We found our wedding rings at a flea market there that day, 1940's sterling, shaped like an arrowhead, with crossed arrows on the side (means friendship). We had a minister meet us there, and got married in a small ceremony in the courtyard, with her Mom on the speaker phone! Little did we know that in New Mexico, there are plenty mosquitos near rivers! We were all scratching.


Sunday we took the day to relax, and couldn't, watching Hurricane Katrina heading straight to New Orleans. Last year we rode out Ivan at our house and thankfully for N.O., it turned. We didn't have that feeling this time around, and there was nothing we could do but try to contact folks before the hit. Monday we drove to Amarillo, then to Texarkana to meet up with Penelope's Mom and family at a relative's place, and here we still are. My family are all right because they got safe and all live on the northshore away from the water. None of them have electricity yet, but are coping, and doing fine.


We have our camper parked at another relative's house with elec, water, and sewerage, so we're comfortable but cramped. We realize that we have it so much better than all those poor people who had to endure the horrors of the storm, then the deplorable living conditions, then the shuttling inbetween shelters.


It's very hard not to be allowed down to see, or to help, or to show the world what happened. We have been just upset about the lack of information available about even basic questions thru this whole fiasco of beaurocracy.


We have seen aerial photos of our neighborhood, thru weather.gov, showing above shots of the flooding, but not the depth. We got the eyewitness account a few days ago from our next door neighbors, who drove, then walked, the paddled to get home to check it out. The saved several folks who were stuck in attics, and got them to medical help. The told us that the water was up to the ceilings of all the homes in our area! The garage/shop in the backyard sits on the ground and low so the water is probably over the roof. We were on the wrong side of 2 of the levee breaks, with the turned over train cars of chemicals, the sewerage systems overflowing into the area, coffins floating down the streets, and the dead bodies all around town. Our neighbor had to dive into that toxic soup to get the axe to chop thru the ceilings too.


We left town with what was going on this trip, but it looks like evrything else in our beautiful rented house and shop is gone, or just too contaminated. Even if they pump all the water out, we won't be able to get back in till the cleanup starts to even see if there's anything salvageable. They say that may be 30-90 days at best accounts.


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We went into N.O. on Wed. and hope no one has to go thru something like that.


After the second checkpoint, they said get in and get out because this will be your last chance till after Rita runs it's course. It was like a wasteland, of people and life.


We managed to get some stuff out but most was lost to damage and mold. The stench was overwhelming at times. My very first rocket was a casualty, totally coroded and full of grime, like a lot of my art and other people's art too. The garage had been completely under and the rocket bikes weren't destroyed, but ruined forever.


The hanging Electrolux too. All my old records, all my business stuff, my Dad's guitar.... Stuff in the attic was spared though. We did what we could, and said good-bye to Pontalba St. We'll never show the pictures to anyone who came to our warm and loving home, for red beans, or visits, or rest. You, and the house, deserve only those memories.


Yesterday, we Lysol bathed everything we got out and packed it away in P's mom's garage. After years of collecting cool stuff and parts for art, it all fits in a 6' w x 4' deep x 5' tall space.


Most all my parts are so contaminated, I would never feel good about putting them in my art again.


Don't be fooled by the EPA's assesment of the bio hazards there. They're sugar coating to get tax payers back in, and the stench and infections will assuridly kill more later. The corruption is unbelievable!!!!


We want to go visit everyone we know to soak up some love. Please keep in touch, and once I get access to my website again, I'll post all the info.


So many folks have offered us a place to stay, and help, that our hearts are about to burst.


We're so thankful for so many things, past present, and future.


As someone who's almost always been self employed and self sufficient, it's so hard to even utter a plea for help. We really have all that's truly important, we just need funds. We never thought that we would be kicked out of New Orleans in such a way, instead of leaving in love and peace and gratitude. The expenses, and lack of sales, of this Western trip have put in a bind. As well as Penelope losing her private massage practice and job in the French Quarter.


As newlyweds, as friends, as artists, we ask that if you can help financially, we would deeply appreciate the effort. Here is a direct way to help evacuees. We have a place to stay now rent free, and will likely be moving on to Kentucky to stay with Penelope's sister rent free, having to get whatever jobs we can, in our fields or not. I am lining up little shows, and gallery contacts thru cool folks from the road. I just have to work outside the camper with whatever I find here.


The funds we make or receive will go to relocation, especially gas. The site is still up, but frozen. http://www.deluxerocketships.com/. The truck on the site is sold, but Penelope may be selling her cool ride also to help get us West, the 1968 Chevy Caprice, 396, 325 hp. Pics on request, once we get it out of Slidell. Luckily it was stored at her Mom's house and wasn't hurt.


And the West is the true trail's end for these cowpokes. We knew before the storm that like the Anasazi said, "It is time to go.". I'll miss my hometown unbelieveably.


Our old # has been disconnected, 504-484-6958. Once cell towers go up in that area, P's cell should work, or she'll get another phone. She can call anyone but only sporadic incoming calls. 504-388-0848. Since I have access to a computer, e-mail is the way to go. DON'T MAIL ANYTHING TO N.O.! My site is up but it's frozen in limbo till I can get the old program and a new computer.


Our new mailing address for a while will be Jimmy & Penelope Descant c/o Charlotte Feldman, 120 Marwood Dr., Lancaster, Ky. 40444. Thanks to all my friends, family, business associates, and just cool folks that have crossed our paths in this great life. We love you and feel you. We'll be in touch about all the next great adventures.


Jimmy & Penelope



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 at 20:37:45 (MDT)


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Yikes! That link doesn't work too well. Go to Automaticwasher.org to thread 3424 on the Super Forum to see all the fun!


Ida

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 at 20:32:03 (MDT)


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Michael darling - I could never be offended by you. All of the credit goes to the Contessa de Chatham and the others. I am soooooo glad you like the G Kirby. They are fabulous aren't they. Check out this link for a review of the fabulous vacuum gathering this last weekend. My basement will never be the same!!! http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/THREADS/SANDBOX/3424X52.htm

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, IL USA - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 at 19:13:39 (MDT)


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OHMIGOD! I just realized that I did not mention Fred Nelson in my last post. He also particapated in sending us the Kirby G4. Fred I'm so sorry to have not mentioned you in my original post. I was as nurvous as an Academy Award Winner by forgetting who to thank for my gift. Will you ever forgive me?


Best Wishes

Michael

Michael LaBue
Ft. Lauderdale, FL USA - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 at 11:33:48 (MDT)


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I just realized that it has been almost a year since Iıve posted on the VCCCıs Forum. The last year has been a very challenging one for me. Iıve moved from NYC to Ft. Lauderdale with my new partner. We are moving into our new apartment this coming weekend. Therefore Iıd like to take this opportunity to publicly thank Chuck Chatham, Charlie Watrous and Tania, for that gorgeous Kirby G4 as our housewarming gift. I canıt think of the last time I was so touched by a gift. As Chuck knows it totally caught me by surprise. There wasnıt a dry eye in the room. You guys mean the world to me. Thank you all SO VERY MUCH! Even John is getting a kick out of it. He loves the Tech Drive. Iım thinking thatıs a good thing. He can help with the vacuuming now and not complain about it. LOL!


I love you guys

Michael


Michael LaBue
Ft. Lauderdale, FL USA - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 at 11:29:25 (MDT)


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I am so sorry to hear about Jimmy Descant. He has created some incredible art and sculpture from old vacuum cleaners and other appliances. There are links to web sites in the "Sweeper Links" section of our site; and his email address is SOUL47@aol.com. He is a very kind and gentle person. I am sure he would be very grateful to get emails of moral support.



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 at 00:58:26 (MDT)


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Katrina Destroys Vintage Vac Art

One of this site's Sweeper Links is to Jimmy Descant's Deluxe Rockets. He is an assemblage artist using many vintage canister's in his work. His home and studio were destroyed by Katrina. He happened to be doing a show out of the city when Katrina hit.

Mark Goodall
Omaha, NE USA - Monday, September 26, 2005 at 08:17:15 (MDT)


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I am looking for a Hoover Model 115 to add to my collection. Any out there?

duane torisky
USA - Thursday, September 22, 2005 at 20:17:51 (MDT)


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I saw the article, very nicely done, and some great publicity for the club!


On another note, everyone be sure to tune into "The Price is Right" this Wednesday September 21, the episode that Fred S and I were in the audience for way back in June is finally going to air!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Monday, September 19, 2005 at 13:40:13 (MDT)


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Louis Recigno is sending me a copy the article. We don't get that here in the midwest. Most of our papers use Parade.


Thanks


Morgan T. Frazer
Dubuque, IA USA - Monday, September 19, 2005 at 05:50:35 (MDT)


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Could someone forward a copy of the Life magazine article. I have looked and we don't have the available here.


Thanks in advance!!


Morgan T. Frazer
Dubuque, IA USA - Friday, September 16, 2005 at 20:32:24 (MDT)


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To Kyle M-

I was surprised to see the Life Magazine article come out today - they had told me it would be in the Sept. 23rd edition. Brian's photos were great, and I was very pleased with the way the article was written.

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue , WA - Friday, September 16, 2005 at 19:27:57 (MDT)


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To Jeff Schroff-

The coming issue of our club newsletter is due to be mailed within the next few days. It will be a DOUBLE issue (32 pages) with 8 pages in color. As soon as I know it's been mailed, I'll be letting members know here so they can watch their mailboxes.


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue , WA - Friday, September 16, 2005 at 19:19:30 (MDT)


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To All VCCC Members: For all of those who attended the Convention in Los Angeles 2005 you may recall we had a photographer, Brian Berman, who was working on a photo assignment. Today, in your local major newspaper there should be a copy of "LIFE" on pages 16-17 is an article/color pictures on our Club. By all means make sure you get a copy.


PS The featured members are Victor Lee, President RJ Vanik, Brett Schiewe, Fred Stachnik and Mikey Banta.


Take care,


Kyle J Mathews

Kyle J Mathews
Los Angeles, CA USA - Friday, September 16, 2005 at 10:56:47 (MDT)


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Hi everyone! This is my first posting to the forum after almost 2 years in VCCC. My collection is small with about 10 vacs in it, including a Regina, Sweeper Vac, Filter Queen, 2 Hoover Constellations, Hoover 28, Westinghouse Canister, 2 Electro-Hygiene uprights (straight suction) and an Electro-Hygiene 966 Tank. I first learned of the club through Charlie Lester's website, which I have visited and enjoyed again and again. So many great pictures and so much information!


Speaking of pictures and information, I also found our newsletter a great source, but I wonder what's going on with it. When I joined the club I was told it comes out quarterly, but so far, I have only received 1 issue this year, and 3 last year,so hopefully there will be another issue real soon.

Take care, and best wishes to one and all,

Jeff

Jeff Schroff Sr.
Galion, OH USA - Thursday, September 15, 2005 at 22:22:50 (MDT)


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I hope this finds all of you having a great weekend. I just wanted to put up a little reminder about the "Mini Meet" that Mark Turbyfill is planning. It is set for Oct. 7,8,9th. If you are interested in any details you can refer back to our orginal posting on July 22nd. If you have any questions feel free to contact me either by email or phone. (217-443-2918). Mark has some wonderful vacuums and I know that you would have a great time. I bet if there is a special machine or part that you are looking for you just might find it. Take care all!

Terry

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Saturday, September 10, 2005 at 12:27:44 (MDT)


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Add my best wishes Chuck. Hope that you had a great birthday!! Terry

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Friday, September 09, 2005 at 22:13:22 (MDT)


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Happy Birthday Chuck, may all your wishes come true!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Friday, September 09, 2005 at 13:20:49 (MDT)


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Tomorrow, Friday, September 9th, is Chuck Chatham's birthday. Chuck has been a member few several years and also served on the Board for the club.


I hope you wish him a Happy Birthday as I do!


HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR CHUCK AND MANY HAPPY RETURNS OF THE DAY!!

C. Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Thursday, September 08, 2005 at 21:32:00 (MDT)


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Well a grand time was had by all at Tania's 50th birthday gathering. The group started out on Saturday and visited Stan's (I'm sorry, but I don't remember his last name) collection. He has some older machines and I wish I was there because he ran his gas-powered Maytag wringer for the group. The group partied on until I arrived on Sunday morning to see Tania's ever-expanding collection. She must have the definitive Airway collection, although she parted with the two-motor Airway to Charlie. She got a new Tri-Star (not sure of the number) but boy, those are great machines. We departed from Tania's to lunch and off to "Blast From The Past" a great antique place. Then off to Fred Stachnik's house. His collection is absolutely more awesome than ever. I was floored to see the green constellation (geez, I am getting old, can't remember that number either) but it was the one with the switch on the hose end - and it actually still works. Fred has an interesting collection that spans decades including a new windtunnel. He has a Miele Platinum. One of my new favorites of his was the aqua 634 (I believe) which was a special promotion model out at the same time as the 63 - in mint condition. We also tried out his constellation adapted with a Hoover power nozzle - amazing. Anyway Tania was drinking what tasted like lemonade (delicious) but spiked with vodka, and was having what appeared to be a wonderful time. I had to leave Sunday evening to return to St. Charles, but I am sure that there will be many more stories to tell. Happy 50th Tania and 50 more wonderful years to you!!


Fred

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, IL USA - Monday, September 05, 2005 at 16:26:03 (MDT)


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Hi, Everyone


I hope everyone is having great labor day.Saturday i picked up three 70's sears

/kenmore upright vacuums green in color, They came without the front snap on cover (Model # 116329). Where you pull off to replace the bag.Can anyone

help?

Thanks,Russ



Russ Meninno
Easton, MA USA - Monday, September 05, 2005 at 07:07:17 (MDT)


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OK Everyone!! Tomorrow is Miss Tania Voight's 50th birthday!!! Charlie Watrous and Mark Thomas headed up from Charlotte to Milwaukee today. She knew Mark was coming up but not Charlie which is why I waited to post this. I am heading up in the morning (she doesn't know that either). Fred S. is picking the guys up from the airport and then heading out for a fabulous beginning to the celebrations. Jeff Parker will probably be coming up as well.


Since Miss Tania doesn't have email, write or call her to wish her well. We'll let you know how the festivities go!



Fred Nelson
St. Charles, IL USA - Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 18:11:28 (MDT)


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Alex,


Thanks for showing an interest and wanting to keep this club active. It has been almost a year and a half and little or no communication. So will be looking forward to learning more about how this club was founded. Being new to the club and fairly new to collecting I don't have a lot of information but always willing to learn.


You mentioned in an earlier post that you were a Kirby Salesman here in Dubuque. Was it the Dubuque Kirby Company. If so you may interested to know that they have closed the shop here. Rumor has it that she is running it out of her home for now but is planning on opening a new store soon. They used to have an office downtown on Main Street and then moved out to the Kmart Plaza. So not sure where she may reopen. The Main Street store used to have a complete line of all models all along the uppper wall of the store. Often wonder what has happened to those machines. I beleive I was told they also had all the complete attachments for them as well.


Well everyone out in Vacuum Land have a safe and Happy Labor Day weekend.... Where has the summer gone!!!


Morgan

Morgan T. Frazer
Dubuque, IA USA - Friday, September 02, 2005 at 21:11:38 (MDT)


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Alex, Thank you so much for all the intereting information about the early years of the club. I will look forward to reading more about it in future issues. John Lucia spent a few days with us last March when I was visiting Roger LeQuea and Michael Thomas in Az. He still has alot of his "paper collection" and it was fun to see some of it. Terry

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Thursday, September 01, 2005 at 22:02:35 (MDT)


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Hi Everybody.


Great letters in the forum, but I need to make one correction, Tom Gasko is being overly generous to me, I was never President of the club. Until 1995 there were no officers. Tom was our first elected president. I was simply the founder and the person who did the newsletters for the first ten years. However I must add here that without my great support staff of John Lucia, Charlie Lester, and a handfull of others it could not have been done.


I lay the groundwork by going to the Hoover Historical Center in the fall of 1980 and got to know Stacy Krammes. She provided me with the historical information on the non-electric machines.


A year of so later I got a letter from Stacy forwarding a letter from John Lucia asking the history of hoover models 150 and 700. I called John and a friendship over the phone lines continued until September 1982 when we met in person and went to Hoover together. As I'd already been to Hoover I let John bask in the glory of vacuum cleaners. You see, I was not a Hoover buff at that time, my thing was Electrolux, Kirby and the non-electric's.


After leaving Hoover I turned to John and asked if we should contact the four people who showed interest in collecting. My question was "think we should form a club?" John just smiled. As he would be on the road for the next few months I wrote to people and the response was imediate, "form the club!" Our first very crude newsletter went out in January 1983. Back then my mom was our secretaty and her mome in Chesterton, Ind. was club headquarters. It was a very small operation. John was our Hoover buff I covered everything else.


In the fall of 1984 Mike Pupek came to see me in Lombard, Il. and suggested a meeting of the club. I downplayed it, his suggestion was simple. "Put the question in the newsletter." I did and we held our first meeting on the weekend of May 3rd,4th and 5th 1985. We held the club meeting on the first weekend in May until the year we went to Hoover (1994.) Later that same year (85) I bought a house in Naperville, Il. and made that club headquarters. I turned a spare bedroom into the "Vacuum Cleaner hall of Fame." Eventually it outgrew that room and my garage was remodeled. Old timers like Tom Gasko, Clay Floyd, and others were the backbone of the club. In fact it was Tom who started our first swap meet. He drove up with a van stocked with stuff. I still have the prize catch of that meeting. The box for the Electrolux model LX." It was at that meeting that I met Charlie Lester and the rest as they say is history.


Little did I know when I sold that house in the spring of 1995 that I was closing the door on the club. With a new house in southern California I planned to continue. A new job changed all that and an overwhelming work schedule forced my to bow out of the club.


I'm back and I'm back to stay! In the near future I will get back to doing what I love most. The newsletter! But this isn't just a position in a club, it will be a job! I plan to devote time to research, patent info, e-mail, interviews with club members, the history of the vacuum cleaner and more. I plan to hold fun contests and make EVERYBODY part of the club.


As I said without John, Charlie, Mike, Tom, Clay and several others we would not be here.


Thanks guys!


Alex Taber



Alex Taber
El Cajon, Ca. USA - Thursday, September 01, 2005 at 12:08:32 (MDT)


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I remember someone talking about buying bulk hose from some company in any color you wanted. It was hose similar to what was used on the GEs and later Universals. I don't remember exactly how much, be you would have to order quite a bit. So the idea was that if a group of us got togather, enough to use all the hose, we could order some. The problem is that I don't remember who was talking about this, so if any one remembers, could you let me know? The reason is that I would be interested in 30' of this hose if any one wants to get togather on a white, beige, light bluish, off white, or any similar color to that.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Tuesday, August 30, 2005 at 22:08:07 (MDT)


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LIFE MAGAZINE


The story in Life Magazine featuring the VCCC is scheduled to run in the September 23 issue. I1ve never seen a media venue that was so meticulous for checking detail. I had two phone calls and 3 emails today from their 3Research Deputy2 verifying facts and details all the way down to spellings, hyphens, and apostrophes. I1m reasonably certain that with their attention to detail, the content should be accurate. It1s my understanding that featured members will include Mike Banta, Victor Lee, Brett Schiewe, Fred Stachnik, and myself.


For those of you in my age range, we grew up with Life as a weekly magazine available at most newsstands and by subscription. Rising publication costs of the magazine with it1s large glossy photos forced them out of publication somewhere around the 1970s. Eventually it came back as a quarterly publication. In it1s current 3incarnation2 it1s back to weekly, now as a supplement insert to many 3Tribune2 and other newspapers.


As I find out more, I1ll keep you posted here.


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue , WA - Tuesday, August 30, 2005 at 20:09:52 (MDT)


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Hi everybody.


I've just been reading the letters posted in our forum and like what I've read!


There have been a number of people who asked me why I left the club. Was I mad at anybody? had I lost interest in the club? or worse, in vacuum cleaner collecting? The answer is NO! Shortly after relocating to Southern California I got into the medical profession. Dealing with round the clock care for people left me with no time for other things. I'm happy to say that while I still do the same job, my work schedule is not as hectic!


Yes it is true, I am going to take over the Newsletter. I'm pleased to be back at work digging research. R.J. and I have talked about a number of features, most of them are history related.


I'm open to suggestions, welcome lettters and phone calls.


Before signing off I have to give a special thank you to Charlie Lester. That Electrolux model LX web site did the trick. My deep thank's to Charlie and all the others who kept this club active.


Talk to you later


Alex (Bob) Taber



Alex Taber
El Cajon, Ca. USA - Tuesday, August 30, 2005 at 04:01:22 (MDT)


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Hi To All:


Just wanted to thank the few members who called me worried about the hurricane that came my way. I was very fortunate to be on the west side of it and had no damage of any kind. Just a little rain and some guts of wind. But poor New orleans really suffered alot. It's really horrible as there are bodies just flowing around. I have alot of Family in the New orleans area but They did evacuate but I'm sure most of there homes are under water.


Again Thanks to the ones who called and worried about me.


Skip...

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La. USA - Monday, August 29, 2005 at 18:29:04 (MDT)


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To R.J.:

I'll be happy to help in any way I can.


As you might expect, I want the 2006 Convention to be a truly fantastic experience for the Club Members. That's one reason that we are volunteering our expertiese with repairs on vintage Hoover, Lux, and Rexair. I've heard from several club members already who wish to bring an old sweeper for a much needed repair.


Ever since the documentary on Stan Kann appeared on PBS, he's been given many offers of 'old vacuums' from people who remember him from his many television appearances. His 1911 Cadillac upright is his current 'baby'. That it has the original bag is just the jewel in the crown. The huge Hoover 972 is still the Master of his house.


Since the last time you were in his home, he has replaced all the wall-to-wall with vintage orientals on his refinished hardwood floors. Every straight suction upright he has can now be used to clean the kind of rugs they were made to vacuum

tom g.
Park Hills, MO USA - Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 06:52:13 (MDT)


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To Tom:

I may be arriving a few days before the meeting, but I won't be making a separate trip before next summer. That's why I'll need the help of "locals" for the "on-site" inspections. I'm especially looking forward to seeing Stan again and some of his wonderful vintage machines.


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Friday, August 26, 2005 at 21:10:18 (MDT)


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To R.J.:

I'll be happy to help you with on-site inspections. Does that mean you'll be coming to St. Louis before the meeting? If so, I'll arrange for us to have dinner with Stan Kann. He just got a 1911 Cadillac upright he's very proud of.


SPEAKING OF NEXT YEAR'S MEETING:


Jimmy Martin, Clay Floyd, Stan Kann, and Myself will be offering to help any club member with the repair and restoration of a vintage Hoover, Electrolux, or Rexair/Rainbow.


Stan and I will help with the Hoovers, Clay with Rexair, and Jimmy with Lux. We figure that there are club members who, perhaps have a Hoover 700 and need someone to grease the bearings, or change the cord. Maybe they have a Model XXX Electrolux that needs a part or doesn't run. Or a Rexair that needs rebuilding. I have a repair shop - and Jimmy and Clay will bring repair parts.


We thought there might be at least a couple of club members who perhaps might like to take advantage of our experience and offer of help. I, for one, have many Hoover repair parts for the '700 and 800' series Hoover motors, for example.



tom g.
Park Hills, MO USA - Friday, August 26, 2005 at 07:04:39 (MDT)


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Tom:

I would welcome the input of our members in St. Louis. That's why I emailed you last spring and asked for your assistance in researching potential facilities. I have added the one facility you told me about to my list. If you (or other St. Louis area members) have additional facility suggestions, I would welcome them too. Please send the name, address and phone number of any facilities to be considered to my email address.


I would also welcome the input of non-St. Louis members who may have travelled to St. Louis, or may have contacts in the travel industry. The larger the list is to begin with, the more options we have available for physical location, availability dates, costs, food service, and amenities. All of these factors will narrow the original list down.


I'm well aware that the VCCC has had conventions in St. Louis previously, as that is where I first attended in 1999. Once the list is narrowed down to a few, I will need assistance doing "on-site" inspections, to make sure the facility meets our needs. You may recall from a previous post on this site (2-18-05) that one of the facilities being considered for 2005 looked good from a standpoint of cost, availablility and location, until Dave Olsen and Marty Rocha made an "on-site" inspection and discovered that the meeting room was at the bottom of a flight of stairs with no elevator. (Anybody remember Portland in 2001?)


So for ANYONE having suggestions as to facilities, please forward them to my email address along with the address and phone number of the facility. And rest assured that the best interests of the entire membership will be considered in making the final decision.


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 23:30:33 (MDT)


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R.J.:

If you are interested in St. Louis hotels, perhaps it would be wise to ask club members who live IN ST. LOUIS. 2006 will be the THIRD convention we've had in St. Louis, the last two St. Louis meetings were wonderful, and very well attended.



tom g.
park hills, MO USA - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 06:49:47 (MDT)


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Hi, All--Yes, I know it's been awhile since I've said "Hello", I've been trying to keep busy. I had a chance to go see a friend in Tucson a month or so ago, I had a great time. My Friend Richard Groski lives in Tucson and we hit all the vacuum stores, and I picked up some more Lux's. I still am searching for a "Hospital G", If "Ya-all" find one let me know. It's hard to believe Summer's almost over--but there's always next Summer to look forward to. I hope I can attend the convention next year, I've found some pretty interesting machines, including an Airway 88 model, light blue/green color, and an old Electrolux model XXX, at a garage sale, both machines for $2.00. Anyway--I just wanted to let you know, "Nathan's Still Alive & Kickin'" and still crazy about vacuums!!!!!

Nathan Thomas
Wayside, TX USA - Wednesday, August 24, 2005 at 21:31:12 (MDT)


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Hi, is anyone familiar with an Air-Way product from, I am guessing the 1920s or 1930s, called the "Waxaver" ??


It's a tin can about a foot long and 4" in diameter, orange with black and gold lettering, that holds a mop sort of thing: It has a two-part aluminum frame with a felt pad for, presumably, applying paste wax to floors.


I found one of these in an antique store north of L.A. and am curious about it since I don't know anything about it.


It also makes me wonder, did Air-way ever manufacture or "private label" any electric floor polishers?


I am probably going to put this on eBay since it's of no great interest to me but thought I'd try to get some kind of info on it first.


Thx!


Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Wednesday, August 24, 2005 at 00:50:03 (MDT)


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NEWS UPDATE-

The newsletter should be out within the next two weeks.


And speaking of news, you should be able to read about the VCCC in an upcoming edition of Life Magazine. Freelance photographer Brian Berman was a guest at this year's convention, taking numerous pictures throughout the event. Some of his pictures were submitted to Life Magazine, and I was contacted by one of their writer/reporters last week. Today in an email he confirmed that his editor wanted to go ahead with the story, and requested contact information on some of the members who were present. So if you were present at the L. A convention, don't be surprised if you get a call or email from Life Magazine.


On the topic of conventions, the hotel search has begun for the 2006 convention in St. Louis. I currently have 20 hotels on my list that meet certain criteria that the club needs for a successful convention. If you are aware of any facilities in the greater St. Louis area that you would like me to consider, please forward the name, address, and phone number of the facility on to me.


One note on the date of the 2006 convention - in accordance with the motion passed at the 2004 meeting, the members present at this year's meeting voted to extend the 2006 convention by starting one day earlier than usual, so the dates will be June 14, 15, 16, and 17, 2006. Mark your calendars NOW to reserve the dates! I'm looking forward to seeing as many of you there as possible.


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 17:29:49 (MDT)


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Those pesky Hoover Lenses,, I have a couple of the Hoover convertibles with the "square hood" that has the square looking lense that keeps falling out. I found that if you take some surgical latex tubing,,cut a one inch length section off, and slip it over the little bottom "tabs" of the lense, one for each side. This will make the lense tight again,and it stays in,,,even during use. I dont know how long this fix will work,,as the tabs seem to warp after a few years, but it sure helped mine. And I am sure I am not the only one that has had this problem. Victor

Victor Lee
Cathedral City, CA USA - Friday, August 19, 2005 at 01:48:38 (MDT)


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To Marty R.:

As a former Club President, I can add a perspective here to the conversation about the present club condition. I felt, and still feel, that the club should be run like a business, by that; Professionally.


At the time I was President, I felt like it was my duty to get out four newsletters per year, come hell or high water. The club 'owed' that to the members, since their dues pay for the newsletter. That's the club 'product', and it needs to be delivered. Even if it is xeroxed and stapled, it contained INFORMATION that members so desperately look forward too.


Richard Klein came after me, and he also felt it important that the newsletter be on time, on topic, and contain INFORMATION.


The newsletter editor needs to have two things AT HIS DISPOSAL, a very large paper collection (literature and owners manuals) and a computer. Add in several hours of time, and BAMM, you have a newsletter.


I think the problem with people sharing things with the newsletter editor (as well as with Charlie) is that we tend to hold 'dearly' to our paper collections, and also we tend to be lazy people. Someone else will do it. I ran into that thought so many times while I was President. Hardly anyone sent me anything for the newsletter.


Alex Tabor certainly has the will to do a good newsletter. I applaud him for trying. I joined when Alex was President of the Club and his newsletters (which Charlie helped write) were very nice and contained INFORMATION.


I will go on record here and say Charlie's newsletters were, everything considered, the best. They contained the most INFORMATION. I still refer to them to this day.

Tom Gasko
Park Hills, MO USA - Thursday, August 18, 2005 at 07:12:34 (MDT)


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Thanks for the good wishes guys, I never thought I'd ever really be able to quit smoking, but if it hadn't been for the bronchitis back in June, I probably wouldn't have.

Good thing I did, I need all that $$$ I'm saving for gas... its now $3.00 a gallon here in the Chicago burbs!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Wednesday, August 17, 2005 at 19:56:40 (MDT)


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Jeff,


Congratulations!!! That is a big step and not an easy one I might add. I grew up in a house of smoke. My mother smoked about a pack a day and so did my father... washing walls was a monthly event... can't imagine the color of their lungs...


Morgan

Morgan T. Frazer
Dubuque, IA USA - Wednesday, August 17, 2005 at 06:03:19 (MDT)


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Jeff,


Congratulations on being smoke free!! Your lungs are probably back to their nice healthy pink selves by now. I forgot to include in my rather lenghty post that you did a daily post of the convention happenings each day. Those were nice to read AND Fred Stachnik provided a link for his FABULOUS photos of the convention AND of you and Fred in front of the Brady Bunch house! I don't know about the other Californians, but i have lived here all my life and I have never been there!


I'm glad you're feeling better!!!!

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Tuesday, August 16, 2005 at 21:33:16 (MDT)


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got the old kenmore runnin now looking for a pwer nozzle for it its a progressive model deep blue

any help appreciated

ron

ron d jones
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Victor,

I have some Hoover things and info for you too, just have been very busy with work lately and not been able to catch up on emails.

Shoot me an email at home and will explain.


An aside note, at the convention I was not quite myself, I was recovering from a serious case of bronchitis, and was also going through some smoking issues...Well....

I'm happy to report, 2 months after the convention, I am still smoke free and plan on staying that way! Its been a rocky road at times, but I'll make it!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Tuesday, August 16, 2005 at 11:04:02 (MDT)


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Monday night and all is quiet,,,

How about we open a new subject? Posting your sale vacuums and wanted items on the forum?

I had read once that we were going to try a swap and sale section. But havent seen a thing yet. I for one, am having a "Hoover moment" and have been hunting hoover convertibles for my collection. After getting to play with a few of the members vacuums at the convention, I have been driving Marty Rocha nuts trying to find hoovers that I want to add to the collection*grin*

I just received a great model 66 from Fred Stachnik, and it just made my Hoover craving that much worse!

I now need to sit back,,look at each one of my prized finds, and decide which ones to keep. As I am getting so many,,I find that I cannot devote the time to enjoy each any every one of them,,and am afraid that they might go into a state of neglect, or worse,the rubber parts would de-compose.

I would rather post some of these vacuums and get them to a member who really enjoys a particular model or color. Besides,,if my garage gets any worse,,Marty is going to threaten me with re-arranging everything and cleaning (hmm,,this may not be a bad thing)

Anyway,,Is anyone else up for this idea of posting a online swap and sale??

Thanks! Victor


Victor Lee
Cathedral City, CA USA - Tuesday, August 16, 2005 at 01:13:18 (MDT)


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Marty, that's a good idea - to let the Forum know when I have had to delete nonconforming postings. I had not thought about that but upon reflection it does make sense to do so and may preempt hard feelings or misuderstandings should I have to do so again.


Speaking of vacuum finds, I found something this weekend that I'm still pinching myself about. Stay tuned for details.......!


Ever your humble and faithful servant,



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Tuesday, August 16, 2005 at 00:28:17 (MDT)


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I'm going to talk about vacuums now.


I was in San Bernardino making the thrift store rounds and I found an electrolux guardian! ( i'm sorry Victor but they just keep falling right out of the sky and into my arms!)How anyone could let a new vacuum get in such bad shape is beyond me. It was filthy on the outside but very clean on the inside! All 3 tools were still under the hood and the side kick was attached to the hose. The hose was taped in one section and was dented in severeal spots but still worked. Missing were the wands , power nozzle and the filter on top and the floor tool. this weekend i bought a filter, bags , wands and a floor tool at the Aerus office in San Diego and will work on getting a hose and and PN next month. Oh i paid ten bucks at the thrift store for the vacuum but you can imagine what i paid for the new stuff! Ugh! But i have always liked the blue and white look of the guardian. Oh well.

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 03:02:36 (MDT)


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Hi Everyone,


Okay, i'm confused. When i read Charlie's "reminder" post, i didn't get why he posted in the first place. I scrolled down as far as the beginning of July and everyone has their name and email addresses included in their post.


So Charlie, if i may suggest, if you are getting questionable posts, start off your post by informing us that odd posts are coming in and that you are not posting them ,THEN post your guideline reminder. That way we will know WHY you are posting the reminder in the first place.


Morgan and Terry , I've read the last couple of posts and i don't really know why you come to the conclusions that Charlie is singling you two out. I like you both very much so i don't want to hear any noise about dropping out of the club!!!


Now i'm one of the more quiet members of this group and i'm sure there are some of you out there that think i never have anything important to say so i am going to speak now. I for one felt slighted by the low attendence for the LA convention at first until RJ reminded me that it was up to us "older" members to make the convention, no matter how poorly or well attended, special and memorable for the "first timers" and there were quite a few this year!


I think we had a really good time this year!


As for the business meeting minutes, they have always been printed in the first newsletter following the convention, for all to see. Unfortunately we have had problems getting the newsletter out in a timely manner. At the meeting this year, Alex Tabor was elected the newsletter editor. Alex brought a bunch of old newsletters from the original vac club and i have to say they were very informative and with lots of pictures. Some of the newsletters were almost 20 pages thick!


Now when i first joined this club in 1997, the newsletters were typed, xeroxed, and stapled. Was i glad to have one? You bet! Any material that had to do with vacuums i was happy to have. Now when Richard Klein was newsletter editor, we got really spoiled with his beautiful, colorful letters. But eventually he got tired of putting out "something with nothing", meaning none of us members were sending him things to be included in the newsletter and he gave up the position. And even the club! Even though i've sent in things here and there over the years, i'm am guilty too.


Here's a suggestion, everyone reading this post, type up a profile of yourself and send it to me. My email is at the bottom of this post, or send it to me via snail mail to PO Box 5281 Palm Springs, CA 92263. I will then send them to Alex.


And by all means send them to Charlie too! They can be included in the website too!


I might as well add that this year i became the club secretary (!?)AND I'm also a board member! As far as being secretary, if i can take Doctor's order's over the phone, i can surely take down the minute's of the meeting! Now you see there, for those of you who don't know, i'm a nurse! Who i might add does not know the first thing about taking a vacuum motor apart or rewiring. Ask Marc Turbyfill!


As for being a board member, i am not really sure what i should do so i think i will keep in contact with Alex and RJ as far as the newsletter goes.


We have lost some very nice people over the years and it would be a shame to lose more due to misunderstandings. Like i said ,i don't talk much so i hope what i said makes sense. I for one care about EVERYONE who i have met in this club!

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 02:44:59 (MDT)


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Charlie,


I apologize for pointing the finger at you. We could not see the post that you were talking about which left two very good club members posts that seemed to be the topic of your complaint.


But that does not in any way change my feelings of this club coming to a slow death. The newsletter is not the only issue. The President and Board need to communicate. Like I said in my last post, I am sure most of them have email or internet access or know of someone who does. We must communicate.


Right now the forum is the best way of doing that. And Charlie you have offered many times to open the forum up for better useage... why are we as a club not doing that...members page ect. This forum is a great tool, LETS USE IT!!!


You do a great job with the forum and I appreciate that. It must be a lot of work and I read it daily. It is just so dissappointing that the zeal that we once had is gone.

Morgan T. Frazer
USA - Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:25:01 (MDT)


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I am truly disheartened to read that Terry Lattz and Morgan Frazer have apparently taken issue with my posting reminding members of the guidelines of this Forum.


The person to whom that posting indirectly referred was, and still is -- at least to me -- anonymous inasmuch as s/he used a pseudonym and phony email address to sign off with. Therefore, I can hardly in fairness be accused of singling out someone for abuse or mistreatment since I don't even know who it was.


Anonymous postings are CLEARLY and DIRECTLY a violation of the guidelines, and I was merely doing my job as Webmaster in (a) deleting the posting in question and (b) making a reminder, as I do from time to time, that members should occasionally re-acquaint themselves with those guidelines.


As far as changes being made to the status quo, well hey: I have offered many times to surrender my position as webmaster and turn it over to someone else to administer, moderate and maintain. To date, no one else has stepped up to the plate and offered their services; until they do, and the Board approves them, y'all are stuck with me for better or worse.


The alternative to me playing "Forum Police" will be to open this Forum to the public and not moderate it. Then sit back and watch it turn into anarchy and see it self-destruct as has happened to most of the other vac forums. Especially since we have interlopers waiting with bated breath for the opportunity to sneak in when they think the gate is open and un-tended.


I appreciate that you gentlemen are concerned. I have concerns of my own regarding the club in general and the newsletter, the Forum, and the newsletter in particular. But let's please not be too hasty in pointing the finger of accusation in the wrong direction when airing these concerns.


Thank you for letting me be of service.



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 22:03:10 (MDT)


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thru trial and error got the kenmore open

ron d jones
USA - Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 21:26:49 (MDT)


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got a kenmore progressive cant figure out how to ge the motor top off

ron d jones
USA - Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 18:28:55 (MDT)


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got a kenmore progressive cant figure out how to ge the motor top off

ron d jones
USA - Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 18:28:06 (MDT)


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I would like to thank Morgan for having the courage to come forth with some concerns that I know many in our club have. I think that he has made many valid points and if nothing else I hope that it will get everyone out there thinking and questioning our current status. Everyone in this club has something interesting and worthwhile to add and in order for change to happen it is going to take some effort on all of our parts.


I know that I have also wondered what things were decided at the last board meeting. I thought that maybe we would have a newsletter by now with some information. Please understand that in no way am I pointing a finger at Louis. He can only put out what he is given.


I was not amused either by the posting concerning the rules on this forum nor the direct remark toward one member. There have been only 6 posting on here in 13 days. Maybe it is time, as a group that we make some changes with those rules as well.


I am not pointing a finger at anyone member in our group. I just think it may be time for us to start working together and try to save what is left of our club.


Sincerely, Terry Lattz

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 12:25:37 (MDT)


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Well Members and Friends,


It is time for me to speak my mind! What has happend over the last year? What was once a very vibrant and exciting club has died before our very eyes. The last post from our webmaster is about the last straw for me. How anyone can slam another member who has given this club so much is beyond my wildest imagination. I know names were not used but it is not hard to figure it out.


We have no one to blame but ourselves. We have sat back as this year has progressed complained amoung ourselves but yet no one is willing to step up to the plate and get the ball rolling.


I have personally offered my services to several board members and it has all fallen on deaf ears. Our current president does not even address simple questions that come up here on the forum. As a club that covers such a wide area we can not continue unless we communicate. I am sorry, but most of our members have some form of email availibility including our board and current president, yet no communication. I have offered to print items that get posted here to any member who does not have email access. But can't seem to get a list or even a post back...


If things don't improve by year end I will not be renewing my membership. Since the convention we have had no information on the business meeting, have not a clue to who is now on the board (another position that I volunteered for, and again no response). We have some wonderfull people out there, lets use there resources. Use the forum... minutes of the meeting could be posted here...


Lets get this club back to where it was 2 years ago. Lets get the Board and President back on track... lets not just offend the people that are trying and care. Change is hard for most of us. And as the club has grown I think some of us feel threatened. I don't understand why? This is a hobby we all love....the more members, the more vacuums, the more knowledge...the more friends....bigger and better events...


I am not as good with words as some who post here. But it breaks my heart to see all the fighting and finger pointing. But most of all, if we truly love our hobby and we don't get our act together and soon I might add....then mabey we should just let all the old vacuums die too

Morgan T. Frazer
Dubuque, IA USA - Friday, August 12, 2005 at 22:58:05 (MDT)


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I believe it's time to remind all members to review the Forum Guidelines. Please see:


http://www.vaccc.com/membersonly/forum.html


And would a certain member (who shall remain nameless) please take special note of Rule No. 2.......


Thank you for your cooperation.



Charlie Lester, Webmaster & Forum Babysitter
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 02:08:01 (MDT)


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PS - Oops - I am using a like new PN2 with the L. The PN4 is upstairs (2nd floor) with the factory rebuilt Lux G (silver). The pinnacle of Electrolux. Sigh . . .


Fred

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Saturday, August 06, 2005 at 12:37:26 (MDT)


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Just some vacuuming observations:


With so many neat vacuums, I get the urge to use different ones. My current mood is the Hoover Aero Dyne model 53. I was going to get out the Hoover Model 61 to vacuum the rugs with it. That would have been a great combination back in the early fifties. Well, I vacuumed the back part of the first floor and my observations are that it is just an OK machine. I have a AirWay bag in it (fits perfectly - thanks RJ) to protect the pristine nature of the cloth bags that has hardly been used. The suction is just so-so and it doesn't pick up on bare floors as well as my all-time favorite - The Lux Model L (more on that later). My fascination with this machine has more to do with it's pristine condition and the incredible craftsmenship that went into it manufacture. Metal tools, and tooled metal wands. That ultaflex hose is very well made. Oh well, I get it out every few years and use it, realize that other machines probably clean better and then put it back on display. I really don't like the runners, especially on wood floors.


Now the Lux Model L is a completely different story. It is a beautiful blue with cordwinder, from a lady that either hardly used it or took exceptionally good care of it - it is like new. Lightweight, excellent construction, incredibly powerful suction, cord winder and new hose and tools that perfectly match the machine. The new Aerus bags filter exceptionally well. I am using a PN4 on it. All parts still available. Now that was a brilliant design. I keep it upstairs on the first floor and use it all the time. A true testimonial to a great machine.


Fred

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Saturday, August 06, 2005 at 12:32:22 (MDT)


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Here's a web site that's sure to thrill any Electrolux aficionado! It's a tribute I have created to George Nilson, the grandfather of a friend I made on ebay. Mr. Nilson worked from Electrolux in Washington State from 1947 to 1965.


My friend is so pleased about the page that he is going to see if he can dig up more materials for me to add to it. Hopefully, we'll be able to come up with enough materials and photos to cover his entire career with Electrolux.


Enjoy!


SEE: http://www.137.com/nilson



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 14:27:33 (MDT)


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Dear Members:


Greetings to all and I hope your summer is going great and you are having fun vacuuming and collecting!


The time has come for me to continue "thinning" the herd and before I ebay items I thought it only fair to let members have first dibs on the following items. I am selling complete with hose, tools, attachment carriers, leatherette carrier, wands, etc., the following:

Air-Way 55A, Air-Way 66 and Air-Way 77.


For those of you who know me, you know my vaccums are mint, factory fresh models. Usually several other vacuums have served as "donor" machines to make one near perfect vacuum. The 66 and 77 have replacement cords. The 77 hose leaks but is correct and in good shape for show. The 66 hose is original with some leakage. The 55A has a Hamilton Beech vintage upright hose, (for color corectness), with Air-Way ends and all tools for the early model.


All work beautifully and quietly! If interested, please email and I will get back to you. I travel for a living so it may be some time before you hear from me. I am, of course, selling the vacuums and they will go to ebay if there are no interested takers here.


Thanks and now get back to vacuuming those stairs and dark corners!

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Tuesday, August 02, 2005 at 20:30:47 (MDT)


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Hi All:


Just for the record I have been in contact With Hans


Happy vacuuming

Skip...

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La. USA - Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 17:05:35 (MDT)


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Howdy all...I have been hunting for "shake out" bags for some of my hoover convertibles that I use for daily drivers. I want to find a dark blue, a sea foam green, or turquoise. I also need to find an original dark blue bag to fit a great hoover model U4027 that I got from Marty Kaplan at the last convention. Any help here is greatly appreciated! Marty Rocha and myself have spent many hours combing the thrift shops and parts houses,,only to find some black bags that dont seem to fit anything. Between that, and shop owners that act like you should buy an oreck , I am about ready to pack them away for another time.

Thanks,,Victor

Victor Lee
Cathedral City, CA USA - Wednesday, July 27, 2005 at 02:16:20 (MDT)


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Hi everyone,


I had a phone call from Hans Craig. He has been out of town for the weekend. Got back and had to leave for a funeral. He will be back on Tuesday late afternoon.


Thanks


Morgan

Morgan T. Frazer
Dubuque, IA USA - Monday, July 25, 2005 at 20:36:11 (MDT)


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Hi To All:


I was just curious if anyone has had any luck in talking to Hans yet as to what is for sale i have been trying since Saturday and all I get is his answering machine and I have left messages on it.


I started thinking maybe because he doesn't know me maybe that's why he isn't calling back


Happy Vacuuming Skip...

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Monday, July 25, 2005 at 19:32:32 (MDT)


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I just had a phone call from club member Hans Craig. Hans lives in Lenoir, NC. He is wanting to downsize his collection. He has about 150 vacuums that he is interested in selling. Uprights and Canisters. If there is something you have been searching for chances are he has it. He is not on line so if you are interested give him a call at 828-726-1419. If he isn't home he said to leave him a message and he will get back with you.

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Friday, July 22, 2005 at 13:52:06 (MDT)


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Attention!! Attention!!


Northwest Mini Vacuum Convention


Hosted by Mark Turbyfill/assisted by Terry Lattz


Location:Spokane, Washington


Dates: October 7th, 8th, 9th


Are you looking for-----a wonderful time with good friends, a chance to "play" with lots and lots of neat vacuums, maybe finding that special machine or part thay you have been wanting, a beautiful fall get-away with some breathtaking fall foliage, well then this event is for you!


Mark Turbyfill, owner of Harold's Sew and Vac in Spokane, WA is hosting a mini convention. Mark has a wonderful collection to share with you. He has a really neat shop with a "backroom" and a "basement" full of lots of treasures. At home he has a garage with lots more. He is looking to do some "weeding out" and will have lots of things for sale at really great prices.


CONVENTION ITINERARY


Friday Oct 7th. 5:30 pm----??? We'll meet at Marks shop, lots of fun, good conversation, guest speaker, and good friends, and of course lots of vacuums. We will order pizza and divide the cost for this.


Saturday Oct. 8th 8:30 am. Continental breakfast at Mark's home. We'll have a lite breakfast and then take off for the day. Estate Sales, Thrift Shops, or sight-seeing, it's up to you.


Saturday Evening 6:00 pm. We'll meet at a local restaurant for dinner (dutch-treat) and then we'll return to Mark's home for more "vacuum fun" and desserts.


Sunday Oct. 9th. 9:00 am. We'll meet at a local restaurant for breakfast (dutch-treat). If you are planning on staying over till Monday we'll have some ideas for a fun day.


Convention Location:

Mark Turbyfill (Store)

2607 Northwest Blvd.

Spokane, Washington

509-327-4662


Home

1508 W. Shannon Ave

Spokane, WA

509-327-2244


CONTACT Terry Lattz if you are planning to attend or have questions! Please send me an email with your name to vg703@sbcglobal.net or call me at 217-443-2918. I will get back to you ASAP.


Lodging: There are many motels and hotels in the area to choose from. One good choice that is clean and reasonable is the Motel 6 at 1508 S. Rustle Street. Phone 509-459-6120. This is not to great of a distance from Mark'home or shop.


We're hoping to see many of you at this fun event!!


Sincerely, Terry Lattz






Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Friday, July 22, 2005 at 10:10:02 (MDT)


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Hi everyone,

I have decided to add central vacs to my collection. My first question, What would a GE central vac from the 60s have had for attachments? I am also looking for Kenmore/ Whirlpool inlets, the ones that turn on when you open them and have a 1 1/4 in. opening for the hose. Hopefully someone can help me.

And since I am adding centrals to my collection, if anyone has any old central vac related things that they would like to sell, trade, give, or tell me about, pleace e-mail me.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Friday, July 22, 2005 at 00:16:03 (MDT)


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Thanks guys, I too, would like to see the business side of the club and convention. Plus a membership list would be great. I look forward to all of that in a possible news letter.

Norm

norm brown
Columbus, OH USA - Sunday, July 17, 2005 at 18:41:07 (MDT)


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Thanks guys, I too, would like to see the business side of the club and convention. Plus a membership list would be great. I look forward to all of that in a possible news letter.

Norm

norm brown
Columbus, OH USA - Sunday, July 17, 2005 at 18:40:44 (MDT)


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I agree with Chuck and Morgan, thank you so much for posting with these questions. I am sure that many of us would like more details. I really hated that I was unable to attend this year but these things do happen. A new membership list would be great!! Fred, I am so happy that you got the Hoover's from Roger that you have been longing for!! Take care all!! Looking forward to St.Louis in 2006!! Terry

Terry Lattz
Danville, Ill USA - Sunday, July 17, 2005 at 10:54:26 (MDT)


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Speaking of conventions, if anyone took photos at my place I'd love to see them. I've only seen the half-dozen or so that Dave Olsen took.


There's a great online (FREE) service for sending large files -- see www.dropload.com. You zip or stuff your photos into one big file, upload it to dropload, the intended recipient gets notification that the file is there, and then they can download it. It's a great way to transmit large files. Provided both parties have high-speed internet of course. THX

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Thursday, July 14, 2005 at 23:20:46 (MDT)


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Chuck,


Thanks for the last post. I too have been wondering how the business part of the meeting went. There were some issues at last years convention that needed attention (age issues and so on). I am hoping they were addressed.


A new membership list would be great. The one I currently have is now very outdated and a lot of wrong phone numbers and adrresses. Possibly could it be put out here on the forum?


Looking forward to next year. Will have plenty of vacation time built up by then.



Morgan T. Frazer
Dubuque, IA USA - Thursday, July 14, 2005 at 21:25:22 (MDT)


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Dear Friends and members,

I have been watching the forum, with anticipation, in hopes that someone would post more detailed events from the convention. The photos were all quite nice.... thanks. BUT... details would be great, IE, how many attended? what is the current membership count (paid members)? who are the new board members? What are the current finances of the club? Did "we" make money at this convention, OR take a loss since the turnout was a bit low. Will there be a newsletter in the NEAR future? Just some details so the members at large know how our club is doing.

Personally, I would like to ask that a current membership list be included in the upcoming newsletter........ It has been a long time since we recieved an updated list.

It is unfortunate that so many members could not, as opposed to "would not", attend. I wish that circumstances would have allowed me to attend, but it just was not meant to be.

In closing...... I saw today at the Wal-Mart super center...... A DYSON.... only $399.00!?!! GAAWWD, am I glad I didn't jump on "that wagon" Hoover, then Electrolux er ah Aerus, yeh Aerus thats who I mean, now Dyson.... all taking that sleazy path down the "big box aisle" My oh my how the vacuum industry is changing.

Best to you all....

Chuck ... dba Chathams Vacuums, home of Air-Way, and Bosch vacuum cleaners


Chuck Chatham
Lock Haven, pa USA - Thursday, July 14, 2005 at 18:32:45 (MDT)


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To the members who attended the L.A. convention, I ask for your help:

Five of the six vintage Hoovers that were auctioned off to benefit the club are accounted for; the 541, 575, 700, 725, and 305. I have no record of WHO purchased the 300 (the machine was dressed in purple). If you remember who the purchaser was (maybe you have a photo?) PLEASE let me know.

Many Thanks!

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Thursday, July 14, 2005 at 17:50:28 (MDT)


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To Duane:

There is currently a 1953 model 12 Hoover Lark on ebay, just showed up on there the last couple days.

Have a look, it appears to be in pretty good shape.

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Wednesday, July 13, 2005 at 06:36:16 (MDT)


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Hi Duane,


The only Hoover Larks I know are Models 12 and 14 but I don't think there were available to the UK.


I do know there is a blue Hoover Lark from the 60's that looks like a broom vac.


From time to time the Hoover Larks 12 and 14 show up on ebay.


To All:


I"m still looking for the Euerka 4 brush polisher


Happing Vacuuming Skip...

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Monday, July 11, 2005 at 19:30:24 (MDT)


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Well, it took going to a vintage washing machine convention in Omaha for me to finally get my hands on two of my dream machines. Charlie Watrous and I motored from Chicago to Omaha (Iowa will never be the same again!). It was a gathering of about 70-80 who share of love of vintage machines (washers, dryers and dishwashers). Their logistics are more difficult since it is not easy to take a few Bendix Washer-Dryers with you for the weekend. O


Anyway, there is a lot of cross-over in this club and fellow VCCC members, Terry Lattz, Roger Lequea, Hans Craig and Scott Onasch (forgive me if I am forgetting anyone) were on hand to enjoy the basement and garage full of vintage washers and dryers, some very rare and a pink (including hoses) GE Mobile Maid portable dishwasher. I brought the Hoover 29 and the brand new Kirby 519 for show and tell, both of which created quite a stir. It seems that the vintage appliance bug runs across different types of machines. There were at least three folks from Europe there, one of which just loved the vacuums. Another fellow VCCC member, Greg Nunn hosted the event - check the pictures out at www.automaticwasher.org. Pretty amazing collection.


Anyway, I was talking outside with Roger Lequea and he is thinning his collection and what ho! he had two of my long-sought-after machines a Hoover 150 and a 64. He emailed me with the particulars and sold them to me for what he paid plus shipping. I am in seventh heaven. Thanks Roger! Just goes to show you, you never know where the next dream machine is coming from.

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Monday, July 11, 2005 at 18:47:08 (MDT)


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Hi!


I'm looking for a restored Hoover Lark cleaner.

These were made in the US in the early 1950's.

Called Hoover Junior in Great Britain. If you have one in good working condition and wish to sell or trade, please contact me. Older, full sized Hoover uprights interest me as well.


Thanks in advance!

duane

Duane Torisky
Albuquerque, NM USA - Sunday, July 10, 2005 at 15:28:57 (MDT)


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Dear Friends and Members,

I would like to wish everybody a great 4th of July and am so grateful we have this forum to use to communicate with each other. I hope all enjoy a day off, a barbecue, a beverage of choice, a get together with friends or the best of however you choose to celebrate America's freedom.

Wishing you all well and tomorrow I'll be playing with vacuums starting with cleaning my upstairs with the fabulous, one and only, Hoover 150.

Be careful with the firecrackers and do not vacuum up any remnants until they are completely extinguished!

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Monday, July 04, 2005 at 18:04:51 (MDT)


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HI Charlie


Thanks for the information. Like I say if anyone has one to sell I'm Game


Thanks Skip...

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Monday, July 04, 2005 at 11:57:35 (MDT)


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Hi Skip, I no longer have the Eureka polisher. I gave it to another club member who does read this forum; if he wants to sell it to you I am sure he'll be in touch.

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California USA - Sunday, July 03, 2005 at 18:06:50 (MDT)


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Hello to All:


I was wondering if anyone might have a 4 brush Euerka Floor polisher that they might want to sell As I'm wanting to get one.


I see Charlie lester has a beautiful one. I have seen them in chrome and white and blue.


If anyone has one to sell please contact me and I will gladly buy it from you


Thanks Skip...

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Saturday, July 02, 2005 at 12:07:44 (MDT)


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Postscript to my previous post:


Any way you look at it, it's a sad ending to what was once a great company. Wenner-Gren was a pioneer on the global commerce scale, decades before the world caught up with him. He was one of few men who truly deserved the title of "visionary." He's surely rolling in his grave over this big stinking mess.



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Friday, July 01, 2005 at 11:15:16 (MDT)


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Looks like the consumer confusion between Electrolux/Eureka and Aerus/Electrolux has finally come to a head. The following information has been posted to the www.electrolux-usa.com site (Eureka/Electrolux):


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Vacuum cleaner products in colors other than red are manufactured by a different company, Aerus LLC. The following Aerus LLC link (http://www.aerusonline.com/) will take you to their website where it's possible to receive information about replacement parts and additional product service.


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Funny, though, that the Aerus site does not reciprocate the courtesy!



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Thursday, June 30, 2005 at 13:33:35 (MDT)


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Hi, All--Hi, Charlie Lester--I really enjoyed looking at your great photos of the convention. I'm sorry I couldn't attend, I would have loved to! Maybe Next Year. That Electrolux "CA" is pretty rare, from what I've heard. I only saw two of those at a garage sale awhile back in Amarillo, TX, which is close to Wayside, TX, where I live. I should have bought them, but neither one of them worked and I thought the price was a little high--$200.00 apiece, but--that's O.K.--I've got 4 or 5 of the big Electrolux CB's and that suits me fine. Do any of you receive the Vacuum Dealer Trader's Association magazine? If so--watch for the up-coming edition, the July 2005 edition. There is an article about myself and my Electrolux Collection--Just thought I'd pass the word along. Anyhow, I am glad you all had a great convention and hopefully I can make it next year!

Nathan Thomas
Wayside, TX USA - Wednesday, June 29, 2005 at 21:16:55 (MDT)


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Hello To All:


Charlie Thanks for the wonderful Pictures of the convention and your collection as well. I really enjoyed that tremediuosly.


I talked To Evan last nite He told me what a great time you'll had. I'm glad you'll enjoyed it, wished I was there but for sure St. Louis here I come no matter what.


TO Dave Olsen:


Can you please mail me an updated rooster for the current year, I would greatly appreciate that.


Again I'm really glad a good time was had by all that attended.


I trully believe St. Louis will have the biggest turn out ever.


Happy Vacumming Skip...

Skip Aultman
Lafayette , La USA - Monday, June 27, 2005 at 19:17:39 (MDT)


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We may have another "junior" member in the club soon! I rec'd the following email today:


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Hello!


I wanted to write to tell you that I really enjoyed your web site [my own site, 137.com -cl]. I happened across it when I dialed in a bad web address. Your web address showed up as a suggested site, so out of curiosity I clicked it. I spent about 2 hours reading about you and your family, and your doggies and vac facination. I love it!


My 7 year old son was also facinated with vacuums at a very young age. He started around 2 or 3, and as far as I know, he still thinks they are very cool. I have considered taking him to the orreck show room here in Wichita Falls, TX where we live. My husband happens to know the owner, I'm sure he would enjoy our visit. I had no idea that there was such a fan base for vacs! How funny!


I'm a horse and car junkie, myself. I train horses here in TX, and I have a great '76 Cadillac Eldorado convertible. It's gold, and HUGE! It comfortably seats 6 (or more) and guzzles gas! :0)


Anyway, thank you for sharing your wonderful life and humor with me. I've spent so much time on your site, I feel I know you! Have a woderful day, and God bless you!


Sincerely,

Lanette DeLuna

Wichita Falls, Texas

horsecharmer@juno.com



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Thursday, June 23, 2005 at 23:50:19 (MDT)


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Charlie

Many, many thanks for your pictures of the

convention 2005. I especially enjoyed the

Lux collection.

Looking forward to making next years convention

work on my calendar.

Norm

Norm Brown
Columbus, OH USA - Wednesday, June 22, 2005 at 21:15:23 (MDT)


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Charlie L:

The pictures look great, thanks for sharing them with us.

I think Fred uploaded more to his yahoo albums of the ones taken after the convention was over.

This morning was rush rush as we hurried back to LAX to catch our flight home. The lines were long, but we made it in time, and a big, beautiful Boeing 767 brought us home.

I loved every minute of LA, its a beautiful, exciting city, I'd come back in a heartbeat. So much to see and do, nice weather, and the beautiful mountains. Perhaps one of the nicest things Fred and I noticed is the almost complete absence of annoying insects. Last night we sat outside Starbucks on Santa Monica Blvd sipping coffee, and noticed not even a moth flying around!

Pretty cool to me!


Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Wednesday, June 22, 2005 at 20:58:17 (MDT)


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Charlie L.:

The photos of the convention look wonderful. I'm so sorry I missed it. In all the many years I've been with the club, this is the second meeting I didn't attend (Portland was the other). Looking over the photos, there were so many new faces. I hardly recognized anyone I knew. Perhaps the light turnout was due, somewhat, to the fact that most people couldn't drive to the convention in L.A. There should be a ton of people driving to St. Louis (and bringing machines with them). While I've never been to California in my life, I understand driving in L.A. is horrible. I think Jeff Parker made this observation while at the convention. In any event, I enjoyed the pictures and sure do hope many of the new people can make it here to St. Louis next year. Stan Kann is all excited by his 'new' (to him) 1910 Cadillac sweeper. It's the most primitive electric cleaner I've ever seen.

tom g.
USA - Wednesday, June 22, 2005 at 05:24:11 (MDT)


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[NOTE: Pls disregard my post that follows this one. I had forgotten that we had, for security reasons, disabled putting clickable links into forum entries.]


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Hey kids,


I have uploaded three pages of photos from the L.A. Convention.


Below is the link, which you can cut and paste into your web browser, or else use the navigation panel on the left to browse to the main Members Only page, scroll down, and then follow the link to the Convention 2005 Photos section.


Enjoy!


http://www.vaccc.com/membersonly/features/convention2005



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Wednesday, June 22, 2005 at 00:45:11 (MDT)


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Hey kids,


I have uploaded three pages of photos from the L.A. Convention. Below is the link, which you should be able to just click on. If that doesn't work, then either cut and paste the link into your web browser, or else use the navigation panel on the left to browse to the main Members Only page, scroll down, and then follow the link to the Convention 2005 Photos section.


Enjoy!


Charlie Lester's photos from the 2005 Convention



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Wednesday, June 22, 2005 at 00:41:24 (MDT)


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Charlie Lester and vacuums friends,


Well, Charlie, as I was reading your post, the first thing that did pop into my mind was "Phantom of The Opera", and little did I know you would refer to it later on. I'm sorry about what happened to you and I'm glad you are alright!


I'm at Fred Nelson's casa in St. Charles, IL, awaiting Fred to come home from his office. I flew into O'Hare and motored out to his home and while enroute, talked with Fred Stachnik to get the dish on the convention. Sounds like it was wonderful! Fred and Jeff Parker were in Grenada Hills and had just spotted Michele Lee and Donna Mills at a shoot of a reunion show of "Knot's Landing", and they were in 7th heaven.


I would have loved to attend the LA event but had made previous commitments to go to the vintage appliance convention in Omaha later this week and with what has been going on at the airline I could not get the vacation time for both evenents. Also, initially, there was some question about the date of the convention. However, I will be at St. Louis and I hope I can help the Board and President R. J. set up the event.


It is my opinion that many east coasters did not attend due to the distance rather than fear of LA and the associated expenses. As you know, it takes one day to get there and one day to get home. In addition to airfare, hotel room, registration fee, and possible rental wheels, there are lots of incidentals along the way and I think it may have presented challenges, (espically in the way of $$$$$), for a lot of us east of the Mississippi.


The great thing about the club and this forum is that we can "live" the event through the telling of what went on and the pictures that Fred S. has in his Yahoo photo album. Scott Onasch is attending the appliance convention so Fred and I plan to find him to hear his rendition of things.


Anyway, with such a great group of people, attendees can only have fun and a memorable time. Since there were many new members, I can only hope they will continue to attend and bring their creative input and energies.


Take care of your injuries and know we are thinking of you. I understand that Alex Tabor is now going to be doing the newsletter and I look forward to his first issue and coverage of the convention. Also, Marty Rocha is now on the Board and I know he brings a wealth of knowledge to the table as well as a fabulous collection of vacuums.


I hope to see folks keep posting and I look forward to any pics or other information you add to the site.


Best wishes to all and happy vacuuming!

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Tuesday, June 21, 2005 at 16:13:17 (MDT)


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I'll add my "hurrahs" and "thank yous" to R. J. and crew for organizing a great meeting. I am only sorry I had to miss so much of it. Because of all the recent uncertainties that defined our living situation I was not sure I would be able to participate at all --- then, when it turned out that I could, I had a LOT of work to do at the last minute .......


I was literally up until 4 a.m. Saturday morning getting my displays ready. So even when I was at the meeting Saturday afternoon and evening, I was so exhausted and stressed out that I was only "barely there." But it was fun, and it was most especially great to meet new people and renew acquaintances with old friends. I was particularly delighted to see Alex Taber. I am so glad he's in the mix again.


Those who were here know of my household disaster, which added further frustration to the weekend.


Friday while I was doing my housework, I had to tend to a clogged shower drain. I got out the bottle of crystal "Red Devil" drain opener and poured some into the drain. However, instead of fizzling down into the drain as it usually does, there was about a half-second of fizzle and then a huge "SPLAT" as the stuff belched up from the drain and all over my face, arms and neck.


Screaming in terror, I ran to the sink and flushed the stuff off with cold water for several minutes, feeling its fiery sting eat into my flesh. I finally got it off and the burning stopped, then I had to rinse out the shower stall. I took a cold shower and washed off with mild soap and conditioner.


When I got out of the shower and saw my face in the mirror, I just about died. When you see my photos that I'm going to upload later, you'll see why. Of ALL weekends for something like this to happen ....... I can only that "Whoever" was looking out for me, however, that none of the stuff got into my eye. There are two small burns on either side, less than a half-inch away. I guess that's just how close I came to getting blinded. Even though I now look like the Phantom of the Opera, it could have been a lot worse.


The only thing I can figure out is that whatever had clogged the drain was sitting close to the surface instead of down inside and was obviously saturated with water --- so when the lye crystals hit it, they reacted with such great force. I can't even begin to describe the sick feeling I got when that stuff splashed onto my face.


Anyway, enough of that. I really did have a good time and hope to see a bigger and better turnout at the next meeting. I am still kinda puzzled at the light turnout for this one. I understand that the turnout was SO light that the Club has probably lost money on the weekend rather than bring any income in. Are people really THAT fearful about coming to Southern California???


I was particularly disappointed that more people from the L.A. area were not able to make it. I know a lot of people had other commitments and what-not, but some of the reasons seem kind of pale in the face of other members who managed to get here from as far away as Massachusetts and who furthered their hardship in getting here by bringing trailers and vans full of stuff to show, sell and trade. That's the kind of spirit that originally defined this club.


Anyway...........


"A good time was had by all" as my Grandma [who had a 505 Kirby, a pink G.E. canister, a Singer hand vac, and a Bissel carpet sweeper!] used to say.



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Tuesday, June 21, 2005 at 12:19:13 (MDT)


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I just want to say that i had a great time at the convention!! I got to meet members i have not met before and it was great seeing old friends again!


RJ did an excellent job and i want to say Thank You to everyone who had a hand in making the convention happen!! A BIG Thank You to Charlie and Kyle for letting us into their homes!!!!


This year was different in that I bruoght vacuums to the convention for a change. Victor and i rented a van and stocked it full of vacuums for display, sale or for the free pile. What i job!!!! I had know idea!! My cap if off to all of you who bring vacuums each convention!!!


I think i'll just bring the scrapbook to St Louis next year. It is alot easier!!!!

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs , CA USA - Tuesday, June 21, 2005 at 10:13:58 (MDT)


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I just wanted to write in and tell everyone about the great time had by all at the convention. But first, I should express how gratefull I am to have met such a great group of people! I did not know quite what to expect, but from the moment Marty Rocha, Rick Benedikt, and myself started to set up, Pepole were coming over to introduce themselves. This wasnt an ordinary club,,this was a tight knit family of friends! Kyle was gracious enough to let the group inspect all of his prize machines he had displayed in his home. Charlie lester invited us to a class on buffing aluminum housings on vacuums. And this included a great tour through his great vacuum collection that included food and drink! A great big thank you to both of you guys! I cant even start to thank every one enough,,I dont think this page would hold it all*grin* I know I will think of more after I have a good nights rest. Marty and myself made it home this afternoon to unload, and upon reading e-mail I was surprised to see Fred had loaded the convention pictures already to his collection! Now thats what I call fast! Again,,a big thank you to every one I had a chance to meet this weekend! Your a great group of people, and I cannot wait to see you again in St. Louis. Victor

Victor Lee
Cathedral City, CA USA - Monday, June 20, 2005 at 22:40:48 (MDT)


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I had a lot of fun again at the convention. It was fun to see people again and meet sone new people. I really liked the very antique vacuums that Alex brought, and seeing Kyle's and Charlie's collections was very fun too. I am already excited to see everyone at the next convention in St. Louis. Especially Stan Kann and his collection, and the Fox Theatre's central.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Monday, June 20, 2005 at 21:19:32 (MDT)


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I have to echo everyone's cheers for an awesome convention, I had an absolute blast, and am already looking forward to next year.

Fred S. and I have stayed over a few extra days, Yesterday afternoon we parked in front of the "Brady Bunch" house in North Hollywood and took pictures as tourists should. Last night we spent a wonderful evening with Charlie Lester and Arlee, the food and the conversation were outstanding! Thanks to Charlie for everything, it was a very enjoyable evening!

Today we walked on HOLY GROUND, we were up before dawn, waited in line, scored good seats, and were 5th row center for the afternoon taping of "The Price is Right" While neither Fred nor I got to "C'mon down" we hooted and howled with the rest of the audience and had a ball. Our episode is scheduled to air on September 21st.

One more day before we fly home on Wednesday....

Now reporting from West Hollywood....



Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Monday, June 20, 2005 at 19:29:28 (MDT)


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TO Fred:


Thanks for the wonderful pictures, they were great. Well I really believe next years convention will be a great success as I really think everyone will be attending, I am for sure will be there.


I'm glad all of you'll had a great time and hopefuylly I will get all the scoop about it when I talk to Evan Saturday nite.


RJ I want to tell You that You did a great job hosting your first convention as President and know how the St. Louis convention will be subverb as well.


Like Evan says let's gear up now for St Louis next Year



Happying vacumming Skip...

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, la USA - Monday, June 20, 2005 at 10:50:15 (MDT)


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My Thanks to Fred for the wonderful pictures.

I just spent 2 hours going over every one of them.

It was my window on the convention I could not

go to.

Many Thanks again,

So glad all of you had a great time, Hope to see

you next year!

Norm Brown
Columbus, Oh USA - Sunday, June 19, 2005 at 22:18:07 (MDT)


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Dear Friends,


Just got in from worldwind flying and looked at Fred's pictures. ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS!


The collections are stunning and I'm, "Pea green with envy!", in the words of Scarlett O'Hara.


Solider on vac people and continue having fun. Glad the LA event is so successful. Wishing everyone my best.........

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Sunday, June 19, 2005 at 21:26:00 (MDT)


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Dear members,


I just returned this afternoon from Los Angeles, and I must say IT WAS AWESOME! President R.J. Vanik did an excellent job planning all the events including the local member tours, the cleaning competition, and the Saturday night banquet, and of course, the raffle and auction which benefited the club treasury.


I also really enjoyed meeting some of the new members:Rick Benedikt, Rick Wilson, Christian Mollett, Victor Lee, and many others. I hope to see you again next year! In addition to the new members I also really enjoyed meeting Charlie Lester and Kyle matthews, who were both people I have heard great things about, but did not get to meet in person until now. Thanks a million to both of you for hosting us at your homes for seeing your magnificent collections.


I missed those of you who couldn't attend this year. I hope to see you very soon if not next year.


I had never been to California until now. I was finally able to experience firsthand how wonderful it is. I hope to go back sometime soon and do some more sightseeing!


So now that another convention has concluded, lets start thinking about 2006 in St. Louis! I hope to see many of you again next year!

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Sunday, June 19, 2005 at 21:20:49 (MDT)


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Jeff and Fred,


Thanks so much for the update on the convention. Makes me wish I could have been there. Other than starting a new job and not having time built up yet I would have been.


Lots of new faces this year. I only recognized a few faces in the pics. Will look forward to seeing a new roster.


Hope everyone has a safe trip home





Morgan T. Frazer
Dubuque, IA USA - Sunday, June 19, 2005 at 06:57:29 (MDT)


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Some pics from the convention have been added to Fred's photo albums, under LA convention.

The link is: photos.yahoo.com/retroderf

enjoy!

Jeff

Jeff Parker
LA, CA USA - Saturday, June 18, 2005 at 08:32:52 (MDT)


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Jeff

Thanks, so much for the convention update.

Looking forward to more insights of the days in

LA.

Norm Brown
Columbus, OH USA - Saturday, June 18, 2005 at 08:15:50 (MDT)


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Well I can provide a little convention update. Fred and I arrived yesterday afternoon after a really nice smooth flight from Chicago, and some of the scenery was absolutely breathtaking from the plane.

This morning we did 1 bit of competition, then had lunch and after that headed out to Burbank to see the collection of Kyle Matthews. It was very nice, but LA freeways always seem to be jammed no matter what time of day it is! I'm up typing this as the repair clinic is winding up tonight.

I've felt no earthquakes

Seen no low speed freeway chases

Seen no freeway shootings

LA is not much different than any other big city.

The hotel location is very cool, in the final approach path for LAX. In the past 15 minutes I've watched 747's for Qantas, British Airways, and Singapore Airlines all come in for landings. Its very cool!

You should all be here!!!

Jeff Parker
Los Angeles, CA USA - Friday, June 17, 2005 at 22:14:12 (MDT)


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Guys , sure i hate im gonna miss all of u this yr, hope everyone finds a treasure

email me when u can

take plenty of pix

ron

ron d jones
USA - Friday, June 17, 2005 at 09:43:43 (MDT)


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I too would like to say that I hope the convention is going very well and everyone has had safe, uneventfull travel. Seeing on MSN this morning that there was some earthquake activity in CA. That would be something to experience.


Looking forward to St. Louis next year. Sounds like there will a be a lot to do and see there as well.


Tom - could you email me your phone numbers. They are incorrect on the roster that I have.


Keep us posted on the convention.

Morgan T. Frazer
Dubuqe, IA USA - Friday, June 17, 2005 at 06:12:53 (MDT)


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I want to wish everyone going to the Convention this year, a safe and happy time. Wish I could be there with everyone. Stan Kann says to tell everyone hello. A full length documentary movie was released this past Sunday at the Fox Theater, featuring Stan and his lifelong obsession with vacuums and theater organ. The movie's director even interviewed people at Hoover and got some archival footage for the film. We'll be fortunate enough to view it at next year's convention - Stan has even arranged for us to see the film at the Fox Theater - where we can ALSO run the 1929 Spencer.


Happy Vacuuming and Safe Travels


Tom G.

tom gasko
USA - Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 18:41:44 (MDT)


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I also want to wish the best of times to everyone at the convention. This is the first one that I have missed since Portland but it just wasn't possible for me to attend this year. Have lots of fun everyone and take lots of pictures. Happy Vacuuming. Terry

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 09:36:39 (MDT)


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Best of times to everyone at the convention. Keep those of us who could not be there up on the

news by email. We would like to here and know!

To bad it is not being video taped so we could

at least hear and see what happened!

Norm Brown
columbus, OH USA - Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 09:17:54 (MDT)


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6:22 am in Chicago and I am wide awake, and all dressed and ready for the flight. Fred Stachnik is alseep down on the living room couch, and various pieces of luggage are lined up in the living room. I am very excited about LA. Our flight leaves Ohare at 1:14pm, and in a little less than 12 hours it will all be happening. I can hardly wait!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 05:20:47 (MDT)


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Hi all,


Yes it does look like we will be able to include a trip to my place during the meeting, if we can get the schedule worked out. The only tiny problem is, the only day I can do it is Saturday, and there is already a lot going on that day. But we'll see.


Really looking forward to seeing everyone, having reunions with old friends and putting faces to what so far have just been names!


Chz,


Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 23:57:11 (MDT)


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On my last post, It should read, " buy " the saniway attachments. Ugh!

Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 23:36:03 (MDT)


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Evan,


Victor Lee and myself will be representing the Southern Cali Desert area. Our plan is to load up a van like RJ did for the Portland convention and bring vacs for display, sale and for the free pile. My hope is that i will only bring home the display vacs and maybe anything that i have bought at the convention. So any of you reading this, BUY BUY BUY, of TAKE TAKE TAKE!!!


For those of you who can't attend this year ( and i know who some of you are ) I for one will miss seeing you terribly. It won't be the same without you!!!


Evan, I'm glad you and your Dad will be here though.




Saniway Mark IV:


I found a Saniway Mark IV in Banning of all places! I was in town visiting my Gram and i stopped at my old Hospital's Thrift Shop and there it was! Just the canister and the hose. It cleaned up very well. I'm now on the lookout for the attachments. If anyone has extra to spare, I'll but them. Actually i would be happy with just the S wands and the carpet nozzle. Thanks!


Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 23:32:23 (MDT)


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Dear Charlie,


I am so glad that you do not have to move. Now that you know you will be staying put, will we be able to tour your collection? Or is it not possible?


I am getting really excited about the convention, now that it is less than a week away, and am finding it quite hard to contain myself sometimes! Is anyone else that reads this forum attending this year?

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 10:28:48 (MDT)


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Well, we don't have to move after all.


We met with the new owner today and were able to work things out to all our benefit, with both sides making some compromises and concessions.


For our part, we will have to be paying significantly more rent, but at least we won''t have to pay more rent AND move, and that would have been the alternative had he proceeded with his legal right to throw us out. You just don't know what a huge relief that is to us.


For the new owner's part, he has agreed to make significant renovations to our kitchen and bathroom --- both very badly needed after living under the reign of terror of a near-slumlord landlady for 15 years. I do hope her little corner in Heaven is kept up more nicely for her than she kept up our little corner on Earth!


The new owner is also going to completely repipe the entire building along with new hot water heaters and central heating units, as well as addressing other problems that were revealed during the pre-sale inspection of the building.


He has also already started making improvements on the exterior - will be installing new landscaping, new exterior amenities (outdoor seating, bbq facilities etc.), and has given us free reign to be creative with the back yard. We had always wanted to turn the rear part of the yard into a meditation garden but could not afford to do that on our own. The new owner has agreed to let us do the work and he will reimburse us for both time and expenses. We're going to enclose it with trellises and add things like more flowers and plants, a little pond with fountain, chairs and table, etc. Isn't that great!!


PLUS, we get to keep both garages ....... he expressed great delight over their spotless state (as well as the de-cluttering progress we have been making inside). but I can guarantee you they will never get filled up again. I don't ever, ever, EVER want to live through the heartache and agonizing labor of cleaning them out again. And I must say, while the initial shock and sorrow over disposing of so much "sweeper stuff" was nearly overwhelming, now that I have gotten it down to an almost-manageable level it does feel good. Much less stuff around to deal with, and I am going to continue that process now that I'm on a roll.


One slightly bittersweet note --- the stucco portions of the exterior will no longer be bright orange! The new color will be "stone" (presumably a light gray color) for the stucco, with off-white for the upper wooden siding, and then dark green trim including replacing the original wooden shutters that the previous owners had just torn off instead of sanding and painting). We had kinda gotten used to the shocking color, but guess a more mundane look will be a nice change.


This truly is an answered prayer, and I want to thank you for all your concern, prayers, and words of encouragement and support. You just don't know what that means to me.


"Ever Onward And Upward"



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 20:26:57 (MDT)


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Dear Members,


Well I am happy to report that the club's Commemorative Edition of the Ultalux given to the VCCC by Electrolux is now on it's way to Los Angeles for the convention!


I went over the packing as I only had it out of the box once during the past year, (too many vacuums and not enough space), and all parts are there ready for attendees to play with. The club has had the vacuum over five years and typically resides with the current president or with an approved designated party. It has now "lived" in: Portland, OR, Florence, KY, Chicago, IL, Festus, MO, Milwaukee, WI and Charlotte, NC. Too bad it is not getting frequent flyer mileage.


Many new members and west coast attendees will be seeing it for the first time. Only 100 were made and Tom Gasko arranged for the club to receive it from Electrolux, as a gift, under his Presidentcy. Thanks Tom!


I hope all those attending have a great time and I will look forward to seeing you in St. Louis next year as I am not able to attend this year. Best wishes!

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Wednesday, June 08, 2005 at 15:19:15 (MDT)


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Hello all,


Anyone interested in a couple of Hoover 913s? One's almost perfect, but the other one is damn good-looking for a forty year-old commercial vacuum (though not as nice as the first one). The almost-perfect one (I'll send pics to those interested, but let me tell you right now it's gorgeous) is all-original except for the cord and the brushroll, and the other one is completely original.


I'll try and figure out what shipping will be, though first I'll have to get my hands on boxes to ship the handles. I have never been able to find those, but it'd probably help if I looked :P


Anyway, if anyone's interested, e-mail me for pictures and come up with an offer. I don't want to sell them short, but I DO want them out of the house.


Thanks,

Owen Perkins
Naperville, IL USA - Saturday, June 04, 2005 at 21:23:05 (MDT)


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Hi, Mike and Reggie--Thank-You for your answers to my question regarding my Silver King. My Silver King is an "AE" Model, No. 264159, by Thompson & Sons Inc. The Bottom Tank is a Hammertone Blue, with the top part a polished aluminum color. The top part of the motor cover is also a Hammertone Blue. The only attachments I got with the vacuum were the original cloth style hose, and the "S" Bend Wand, with what looks to be the carpet attachment. The vacuum has an electrical type outlet on the top of the motor housing, which I assume is for a power nozzle? Anyway, Mike and Reggie--I thank-you for your responses. The motor in the vacuum is in really good shape--I cleaned it and put new bearings in it and it still runs great!

Nathan Thomas
Wayside, TX USA - Saturday, June 04, 2005 at 20:50:42 (MDT)


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Silver King was sold in the 80s to Craig Leerberg in Colorado Springs, Co. The company is called Silver King International now, they are still around for now.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Friday, June 03, 2005 at 22:44:22 (MDT)


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Hi Nathan. The silver king was sort of an industral / commercial cleaner. It had no bag, Just a pan with a sheet of papaer for a filter. The unit had a regular 2 stage lamb motor with a grounded three prong cord. It came with commercial attachments. a sweeping "s" style wands like Filter queen / airway., It was manufactured by thompson industries, I don't know if they are still making the cleaner. But they were marketed as a heavy duty cleaner. Most of them were green and polished aluminum. What color is yours? did it have all the attachments?


Hi Charlie. I remember the Kenmore you are talking about. some had four rings like an olypic logo. Was this a "Lady Kenmore" ? usually the first 2 digits after the period on any kenmore appliance were the year it was sold 116.72.... was a "72" model 116. was the manufacture in this case whirlpool. That old vacuum was the predacesor to what they aare selling today. Same principle except the hose didn't come off for easy cleaning. it had to be attached in the back. Mike

Mike Banta
San Jose, ca USA - Thursday, June 02, 2005 at 22:27:05 (MDT)


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I've just added a new section to my website, featuring the gloriously beautiful MODERN HYGIENE vacuum cleaner.


I ran across a reference to the machine's designer, Brooks Stevens, in another context. Reading about Mr. Stevens inspired me to haul my Modern Hygiene out to the workshop and restore it.


The cleaner came out so beautifully that I just had to stop everything and put this web page up! Enjoy!!


SEE:

http://www.137.com/modern



(P.S.: "Where is everybody??!")


Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Tuesday, May 31, 2005 at 01:26:34 (MDT)


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Hi, All--Hope you all had a safe and wonderful Memorial Day Holiday! Charlie--You are in my thoughts and prayers. Got that old 1937 Lux XXX up and running--It's truly an original!! Has Anyone ever heard of a Silver King? I bought one of those, it's a canister, along with two other vacuums, the old 1937 Lux XXX, and a Viking, all for $20.00 at a thrift store. That Silver King looks like an original!!! Any ideas on how much it would be worth--I've heard the new ones are $3500.00! Anyhow--I hope all you vacuum collectors had a wonderful Holiday, and, even though I will not be able to attend the convention this year I would still like to meet some of you in person. For those whose interest includes Pipe Organs, I'm also fascinated with them, and I have the privilege of playing the Pipe Organ at a church in Lubbock, Texas, once a month. Anyway, beings I live in Texas, I'll say, "Ya'all" have a good Day!!!

Nathan Thomas
Wayside, TX USA - Monday, May 30, 2005 at 19:55:31 (MDT)


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Speaking of the meeting, with recent developments my participation is necessarily going to be very limited - far more so than I had expected.


Obviously there will be no tour of my collection or workshop since it will mostly be in boxes by that point; and I'll have to nix my plans to give a metal polishing demonstration. And I don't know timewise how things will be shaking out but I'll try to get to some of the doings on Saturday. Has an agenda of activities, dinners etc. been drawn up yet?


I do have already prepared a metal polishing handout that I will at some point finalize and turn into a web page for publication somewhere.......


*sigh*



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Friday, May 27, 2005 at 22:44:53 (MDT)


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So last night at choir rehearsal one of my members brought me a sweeper that she found when cleaning out a neighbor's house who is moving into a retirement home. Great. Just what I need, another vacuum at this point .......


But of course she meant well and I very much appreciated the gesture so I accepted it with grace and delight. Or pretended to, anyways!


I am wondering how old it is since it's later than I am generally interested in --- it's a plastic upright Kenmore that looks kinda like a Dial-a-matic but more "squared off" at the corners etc., and the handle "pole" is square. It's a light turqoise/aqua color with "phony woodgrain" accents. It' says "Kenmore Duo Power" and "Adjustable Beater Brush" on the front of it. It has an automatic cord winder and kind of "looks" like a deluxe model so I assume it was.


Pretty heavy and kludgy actually, and an ugly-looking thing -- its only saving grace is its aqua color, which is one of my favorite vacuum cleaner shades!


It kinda looks, aesthetically, like a 70s machine but the aqua color makes it look more 60s, so I am not sure. It's in real nice shape, the lady apparently took good care of it.

Any info on this machine? Would it be worth putting on eBay ya think?



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Friday, May 27, 2005 at 22:32:50 (MDT)


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Greetings to all!


Sorry that I've been out of touch for so long. My Mom has spent the past several months recovering from congestive heart failure complicated a mild stroke, so at least every other week or so I drive from St. Louis to Indianapolis to be of assistance. All of this driving gets pretty tiring after a while (though I'm glad to be able to be with Mom so often), but in the meantime, everything else in my life keeps getting pushed aside.


I regret that I won't be able to attend this year's convention -- our Provincial Chapter is going on at the very same time, and I am required to attend. However, I'm looking forward to being involved in the 2006 convention which will be here in St. Louis -- next year is our "year off" from Province summer gatherings.


Busy or not, I have visited with Stan Kann a few times and seen some new additions to his collection. What a treasure-trove of vacuum lore he is! Since I'm also a theater organist, he and I spend as much making music at his organ as we do running his vacuums. A visit with Stan is always a good time!


My work has taken me to Chicago a couple of times this year, so I've taken advantage of that to drop by the Henry Company in Highland, Indiana, for a visit with Mike Rogers. I doubt there is a kinder, more generous soul in the world than Mike! I was fortunate to spot a Hoover Convertible #4049 in mint condition in his shop window -- he had taken it in trade for a newer machine and had cleaned this one up. I snapped it up as I walked into the shop and bought it on the spot! And since he knows of my deep affection for the Hoover 29, he saved one for me that came through as a trade (not as "mint" as the 4049, but pretty nice nonetheless).


I have to hold myself back from acquiring any more cleaners. There are 26 of us who live in this friary, so individual space is at a premium. First-time visitors to my office just can't figure out why there would be so many vacuums in one room -- but that's only because they haven't been in my room or my key shop! Downsizing was the order of the day when my Mom moved from her house into a condo last fall, so she "gently" inquired if I could move some of the eleven vacs spread around her house back to St. Louis -- which exacerbated my space problem all the more! Once our Chapter meeting is over, however, I need to concentrate on thinning out the ranks some more. I'll be anxious to share my collection of "spare parts" at next year's convention -- it's amazing how quickly all that stuff accumulates!


Be assured that I will be with all of you in spirit at the convention in LA next month. I'm confident that it's going to be a GREAT time for everyone, as it always seems to be.


I miss you all ....


Good wishes from Brother Chris

Brother Chris Lambert
Saint Louis, MO USA - Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 22:28:27 (MDT)


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Well, I guess it's a good thing we got those garages cleaned out. Now, it looks like we're going to have to start on the apartment as well.


We just got the grim news that we are going to have to move.


The new owner of the building [a coward who didn't have the ... er, the courage to tell us himself but sent an "agent" to bring the bad news] has decided he wants to become an owner/occupant and of course it's our apartment that he wants.


He will be obliged to give us 60 days' notice and pay a relocation fee of $3200. However, with the current rental market in L.A., that amount would not even cover first and last month's rent out here -- much less the cost of moving.


We have rent control in L.A. - which means, living where we have been for 15 years, our rent is below market, even as high as it is. An apartment next door to us just went vacant and the rent is more than twice what we are paying.


Rent control is a double-edged sword: Yes, it protects you as long as you don't have to move. But landlords typically greatly increase the rents on vacated apartments, so it is going to be very, very tough to find anything anywhere nearly as large as we have had, at anywhere near the same rent.


So ... please keep us in your thoughts and prayers as this hugely depressing and enormously daunting hurdle has dropped in our path.


Thanks.......


~

C




Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 18:30:11 (MDT)


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Hi to All:


Unfortunately I won't be attending the concention this year only because of my work schedule, they fired the Truck Supervisior in March so I'm acting supervisior until one is placed, I don't want the position but have to step in for now.


Also I'm the only person at work that knows how to route the trucks for there daily delivieries and fired supervisor was the only other one who knew how.


But I will definately make the 2006 St. Louis Convention I have already told My boss no matter what I will be at that convention job or no job


But I do really have regrets about not going to this convention as I'm dying to meet everyone especially Evan Rodgers I have maintained a very close friendship with over the phone.

WE talk usually once a week and Tania I talk to once a week.


I have met some really awsome members of the club over the tele but now it's time to meet face to face


Again I want To wish everybody that is going a very warm wish that you'll have to time of your lifes there and please take pics so I can see exactly what I missed


Happy vacuuming Skip...

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La. USA - Saturday, May 21, 2005 at 06:56:09 (MDT)


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Tom, don't believe everything you see on TV.


The purpose of TV news is not to inform but to attract people TO the "boob-tube" to watch the COMMERCIALS.


And what attracts most people to TV? Nice sweet stories about how great life is or boring news about how fast the grass is growing on the Kansas plains? Or grim, ugly stories about the underbelly of the human experience and all the horrible things that happen to us?


Right. The latter, of COURSE.


What you see on TV news is always slanted toward keeping people's attention raptly focused on the TV, so they will see all the COMMERCIALS. Thus, the programming content is largely on crime, violence, natural disasters etc.


Los Angeles is no more or no less safe than probably anywhere else in the country in terms of crime. I suspect there's even crime in Festus, Missouri. For people to stay away from the meeting because they fear for their safety, well, that's really pretty silly.


As for earthquakes, mud slides, brush fires, yeah we have 'em. But not every day. Haven't had any of these in quite a while in fact.


And while we have these natural disasters, other parts of the world have it even worse sometimes -- tornadoes, hurricanes, typhoons, volcanic eruptions.......


I have lived in Los Angeles for over 25 years and I love it more with each passing day. It's a GREAT place to live. And you sure can't beat the weather 90% of the year!


Um ... HEY ... what was that......???


{{{Rumble}}} ...


{{{Rumble-Rumble}}} ...


{{{RUMBLE}}} {{{RUMBLE}}} {{{RUMBLE}}}


***CRAAAASH!***


***ROAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!!!!***


***BUMPPPP-THUMPPPPP-KABAAAAAANG!!!!!!!***


~~~~~~SLIIIIDDDDDDDEEEEEEE~~~~~~~


and


+++PLOPPPP!!!+++



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We interrupt this program for special news bulletin: Here's anchorperson Ima Sillyputz LIVE on location in Santa Monica, California:


"Well, it finally happened ........ A magnitude 39 Earthquake has struck the southern west coast of the United States. The entire state of California has broken off from the coast and slid into the Pacific Ocean.


"This has been followed by the largest brush fire ever seen in the region and the entire state is up in flames as it collapses and falls into the Ocean.


"The huge brush fire was immediately followed by an ENORMOUS mud slide rolling across the desert from Arizona that is threatening what's left of the coastline.


"Mass pandemonium has set in as people, grabbing what belongings the can, run for their lives. Tragically, most of them have been killed in the utter conflagration.


"Looters and rioters have taken over the new Island of California, while corrupt police officers are beating and shooting everyone in sight.


"We take you now to our satellite QUAKECAM for dramatic footage of the quake; the fire; the slide; the utter destruction of land, property, freeways; the looting and rioting; and, of course, the thousands upon thousands of dead and mangled bodies. STAY TUNED! We'll play this footage over, and over, and over, and OVER, just as soon as we pause for these announcements from our sponsors."


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Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Friday, May 20, 2005 at 11:37:13 (MDT)


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Charlie L:

I'm looking forward to meeting you as well, and seeing your collection. I think this will be a great convention.

Fred Stachnik and I are travelling together, our flight is due to land at LAX about 3:40pm on the 16th.

I'm also looking forward to being a total tourist. So far we have plans to go to a taping of "The Price is Right" as well as see some of the other sites. For one I'm planning on having my picture taken on the sidewalk outside the "Brady Bunch" house!

It should be a fun time, and I am very much looking forward to it.

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 10:32:46 (MDT)


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Convention FYI-

I spoke to the sales manager at the Four Ponts Sheraton LAX yesterday, and was assured that there are still a few rooms available at the VCCC club rate. They'll extend the reservations deadline for one week (until May 25) or until all the rooms are taken, whichever is first. If you're still "on the fence" about attending, there's still time to get your reservation in. Here's to a great convention!


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 07:19:24 (MDT)


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Hi everyone:

I'm delighted to hear that the convention this year will be well attended by people from all over the country. After all the movies and news programs that depict L.A. in a negative light (the 'mean streets of L.A.'), I never had any interest in going to California until now. It sounds like a lot of fun this year - I've been to many, many past conventions and they seem to get better and better each year.

tom gasko
USA - Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 05:06:39 (MDT)


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Greetings-


Yes, I will be attending the convention in California. I too will be staying a couple extra days to do some sight seeing. If anyone needs a room and doesn't mind sharing to cut expenses, Marc Turbyfill and Ken Johnson and myself have room for one more person!


Looking forward to seeing all of you!



Ken Wagman
Capron, IL USA - Wednesday, May 18, 2005 at 13:57:12 (MDT)


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Jeff, Evan, Reggie, and others who are coming out here for the meeting, I am sure looking forward to meeting you all. I am glad to hear that apparently attendancew will be good; I and some of the other locals have been a bit worried that it may be a "bust" since we also haven't heard a lot of buzz about it from other members. I'll be participating as fully as I can given my hectic weekend schedule and I certainly will have an open house for people to come see what's left of my collection...!


One more desperate plea for a set of Air-way hose ends or complete Mark-II hose (non electric). I'll be more than happy to pay for this as long as it's not full SRP --- if I wanted to pay high dollar for a new hose I'd get one from the company.


---THANKS---

Charles R Lester
Los Angeles, CA - Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 23:23:11 (MDT)


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I've been looking forward to the convention for some time. I've got my airline tickets, rooms reserved, and even a car rented. I'm staying over a few extra days after the convention, last time I was in LA I was 9 years old, so I'm gonna be a tourist!

Less than a month away now!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 10:28:39 (MDT)


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Hi Tom,


I am attending the convention this year. I do not really know how many people from the east coast are planning on going, but I do know that we will have a lot of new members attending, as well as a very large amount of people from the west coast.


On a related note, I called the hotel two weeks ago to reserve a room, and they told me that all the rooms reserved by the VCCC were taken. They ended up selling me a deluxe room for only $20.00 more, but the fact that all the reserved rooms are taken should imply that we will have a large attendance this year.


I hope that I will see many familiar faces this year, and I will miss those that can't be there. Hopefully, however, I will make many new friends, like I have in previous years.


If there are any new members reading this that are on the fence about attending the convention, I strongly encourage you to attend. It is great fun to talk to others that share similar interests, and you make friends that last a lifetime.


As for myself, I am not only excited about the convention this year, but I am also psyched about going to California! I have been wanting to take a trip there for a while, and now I have the greatest reason to go there!


I look forward to seeing many of you in June!

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 16:40:21 (MDT)


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I am coming this year.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Sunday, May 15, 2005 at 11:01:01 (MDT)


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Has anyone heard how many people plan to attend the L.A. convention? I was wondering who was planning on attending. While I certainly do not know everyone in the club (we've had 20 new members join in the past few months) - I know very few people who've said they plan on attending. Other than folks in California and Washington state, is anyone from the East coast or midwest states planning on attending?

tom gasko
USA - Saturday, May 14, 2005 at 17:09:45 (MDT)


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tom

thanks for the advice after taking the cover off the switch it seems someone for wahtever reason decided to disconnect the switch

reatached she purrs like a kitten now

ron d jones
USA - Monday, May 09, 2005 at 16:29:54 (MDT)


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Hey,


Does anyone out there have either an entire hose, or just the hose ends, for the later-model Air-way tank machines?


The specific machine in question is the 88 Mark II. This is one of the ones I had initially offered for sale but had to withdraw it when I realized I didn't have a hose for it.


I am going to list this on eBay so I certainly don't mind paying for the hose or ends. The complete original hose would be best of course (vinyl woven turquoise with gray tracing) but I'll take just a set of ends if that's all I can get.


THX



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Thursday, May 05, 2005 at 15:08:36 (MDT)


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Hi Ron:

The model G and model L share the same motor (but different 'motor mounts'). IF the motor in the G is bad, you can always fix it with the L motor parts or replace it entirely. Of course, it's most likely that the G motor runs, but the cord winder has a short. Take the cord winder off, and test the brass contacts to see if there's power coming through.


I would be happy to help you fix it if you want. I'm having a few vacuum friends over for the weekend in a few weeks. Let me know if you are intested in coming to a small 'get together'. I'm always willing to help with any repairs you can't do yourself.


Congrats on your 'find'.



tom gasko
USA - Wednesday, May 04, 2005 at 16:31:31 (MDT)


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Lux shampooer, guys got a Lux 2101 shampooer looking for shampoo brushes for her any help appreciated

ron d jones
USA - Sunday, May 01, 2005 at 22:47:16 (MDT)


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junking today got a model G lux model L lux and a box of att for 10 bucks even thought the G doesnt run it was worth it


ron d jones
USA - Sunday, May 01, 2005 at 22:45:21 (MDT)


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G.E. Swivel top parts?

I just received a great salmon colored G.E.swivel top canister, model V13C3. When it arrived, the vacuum was in great shape,,but the tools and hose were the wrong color. I am hunting for the right colored tools and such for it.

I dont even know where to start ( unless I make a midnight raid of Marty Rocha's house *grin*)

Any help would be greatly appreciated,, Even some pics of what they wouldve looked like. This is the model that had the larger pink plastic swivel unit on the top, and rides on a carrior.

Almost looks like a pink penquin! Thanks,Victor

Victor Lee
Palm Springs, CA USA - Friday, April 29, 2005 at 23:35:25 (MDT)


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Hi,

I am looking for old Hoover attachments from about 1960 to 1970. Such as a Hose for a Dial-A-Matic, floor brushes, dusting, crevice and upholstery brushes. If anybody has any extras I would appreciate you contacting me. As a new member I am looking forward to meeting you at the Convention in California.

Rick

Rick Wilson
Tempe, AZ USA - Friday, April 29, 2005 at 17:38:16 (MDT)


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Hello All.

Just a short note-the Royal has found a new home.

Jim
Startup, WA USA - Wednesday, April 27, 2005 at 17:42:34 (MDT)


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Ron Jones: Dial A Matic belts are getting harder and harder to find these days. The best place to find a genuine one these days would be your local Ace or True Value hardware store, at least around here both still carry lots of the older Hoover stuff.

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Sunday, April 24, 2005 at 16:30:27 (MDT)


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Hello again, Vacuum Collectors. I have a Canadian Electrolux model 88 that I would like to complete restoration on. My question has to do with the rubber material, surrounding the motor. It has become aged over the years and brittle, and is cracked to a point to where the vacuum no longer has any suction. Is it possible in any way to replace the rubber, or would it be easier to simply replace the motor? I have noticed that the mounting bracket on the motor is different, in that it has more places in it for screws, so it would, what shall I say, "Take some ingenuity" to get it to work again. I hate to throw the machine out as the body of it is in real good condition. The motor seems to run well. That rubber has deteriorated to the point that it has no suction. Any "hints" would be appreciated and helpful. Thank-You.


Nathan L. Thomas

kingofsteam@midplains.coop

Nathan L. Thomas
Wayside, TX USA - Saturday, April 23, 2005 at 21:12:19 (MDT)


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Hi. I have an old (looks like it came from the twenties) Royal upright, manufactured by the P. A. Geier Company, of Cleveland, OH., looking to find a new home.


There is a plate where the various patents (nad patents pending) are listed, which number around 19. It looks like the bag is original. It has, what appears to be, a newer, rubber cord, 21-1/2 feet long. On the inside, the cord is cloth-covered, wound cord. The wiring is very brittle and needs to be re-done. I am not that handy a person to attempt that.


Had it plugged in, but wouldn't run as wires are broken. Motor turns easily and might run fine with the proper home and a lot of tlc and some elbow grease.


I paid $25 for it-would like to get some back for it. I am not sure of it's true worth. I will send pictures of it privately to you at your requests. Contact me at norski75@hotmail.com.


Thanks.

Jim C.







Jim Cowardin
Startup, WA USA - Saturday, April 23, 2005 at 19:18:25 (MDT)


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Dial A Matic, guys what is the proper belt for a DAM just got one last weekend near perfect shape just in need of a new belt

thx

Ron

ron d jones
USA - Friday, April 22, 2005 at 21:10:56 (MDT)


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P.S. to my posting below --- this may be obvious, but I should have mentioned that people should email me privately with their offers (crl@137.com) and not make them here on the Forum!


And just a clarification based on some of the queries that have already started coming in:


Regarding how much I want for things ... as I said, I am offering everything directly to club members first and then whatever doesn't get sold will go to eBay.


But rather than putting set prices on things, I'm asking people to make offers. Since there really is no way to gauge the value of these machines, the best way to set a price is to see what people are willing to offer. And the highest offers will win.


Thx...


Charles R Lester
Los Angeles, CA United States - Friday, April 22, 2005 at 14:00:24 (MDT)


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Folks, I am in quite a pickle here.


Our apartment building has been up for sale for some time now, and in fact a sale is finally proceeding as we speak.


Now the bad part.


Read the following excerpts from an email the realtor sent to me -- He is talking about the seller's reaction to my garages and house full of stuff:


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The only word I can use to describe his reaction to your apartment and then to your two storage garages was absolute HORROR. Somebody said something about the sets of "Seven" and "Silence of the Lambs." He will come after you with a vengeance because he feels that your choice to live with such vast accumulations of physical possessions to him does not look like a life's work of finding wonderful things and pieces, to him it looks like you are storing the most volatile, dangerous, and out of control collection of fire accelerants ever accumulated.


I suspect his first volley into this problem is that he will order your garages emptied and then he will take them away from you. After that, who knows how he will go after your apartment interior. But trust me when I tell you this, he's smart enough to know he doesn't have to use pricey lawyers to go after you, all he has to do is bring in a city inspector and a fire marshall, and they will do his dirty work for him. And he also knows that you cannot mount a defense against that, for those manner of pronouncements by appointed Safety Officials of the City can not be sued over, cannot be overrruled and are tantamount to an Administrative Order with the full force and weight of the City of Los Angeles behind it.


So my advice is as follows. Go proactive. Don't wait on him. If you solve the problem before he has to force you to solve the problem, you will suddenly become tenants he desperately wants to stay. If you must, rent a public storage room - and clear your garages out completely. If you don't you are going to lose them forever. If you clear them yourselves, there's every good chance at least one of them remains yours.


Let me amend my mast paragraph. Rent a LARGE public storage space and box up all the clutter in the apartment. At the very least, clear it enough so that there is safe and adequate passage in all hallways, that there are no obstructions to either exit, and what remains is placed in appropriate places - books in bookcases, for example. You might want to consider donating your vacuums to a museum; this could become an important collection. But, the place for any remaining vacuum cleaners should be in a closet. Period!


You know what I'm suggesting and why. I know it's a pain in the ass, but I really want everybody in the building to be able to stay and more importantly to enjoy the benefits of the capital this man will put into the building. Solve the problem before he makes you solve the problem and you will gain much in his eyes.


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Well.


I cannot afford to "rent a LARGE public storage space." I am just going to have to get rid of most of my stuff.


Which brings me to the TWO points of this missive.


-ooOoo-


First, I am going to have another, final garage clean-up. This time there won't be so much stuff since I really have not accumulated much since the last one. In fact, what I am pretty much going to do is just pull everything out of there and pile it in the back yard, then hire someone to haul it off. But I want to give you-all a last chance to look through what's there before it goes.


I would like to have that final clean-up on Saturday May 14 and, if necessary, also the following Sunday. Please check your calendars and get back to me ASAP with "yea" or "nay" so I can nail down a date.


Obviously, this is quite a rude awakening / reality check here. I am kinda reeling over the prospect of having to clear out all this stuff once and for all -- but I HAVE to, since the alternative (moving) is even less attractive. So I am asking as much for your moral support and a shoulder to cry on as I am asking for your help in getting rid of this stuff.


-ooOoo-


Then, second:


This of course also means that I am going to have to really streamline down my main on-display collection. It's clear that it can't stay here. I had in fact already made tentative arrangements to move it down to my church. Looks like that is going to have to be a definite GO now, but I am going to have to reduce the load before I move it.


I am going to keep my Electrolux collection intact of course, and keep most of the Kirbys, but all the Hoovers and the early straight-suction machines and other stuff are going to have to go.


I am going to list that stuff on eBay because I really need the money. As usual, things are very tight. But I am going to give my fellow VCCC club members a first chance to make offers on the following things. (See list below.)


I am making this offer now and leaving it open for a week, until April 29. At the end of that time, the highest offers on these machines will get them -- with of course me reserving the right to decline offers that I feel are too low.


But don't worry, I am not going to be putting "high dollar" tags on things. Make offers as you can and if they are anywhere near reasonable, I'll entertain them. Especially since this has to happen pretty fast. I have basically until May 15 to get this done.


I wish I could just afford to give all this stuff away. Believe me, that would be the easiest way to go. But I do have to make some sort of effort to recoup some of my investment in this collection. It did not all come free, or cheap.


(Note that shipping will of course be extra for machines that can't be picked up - pick-ups would be my preference of course.)


Those who have seen my collection know that most of my machines are in excellent to near-mint condition and in most cases all original and complete. I will note otherwise below.


If you have questions about any of these machines or want to see photos, I'll be as accommodating as possible. Your best bet would be to come by for a look in person which you are more than welcome to do. Some of these machines can be seen on my web site, www.137.com -- scroll down to the "things that go vrrrrrrrr in the night" section


Anyway, here's the list, in no particular order.



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Turquoise Kenmore tank on a cart


Electrolux B7 Floor Scrubber - first turquoise fold down version. No shampooer accessories


Turquoise Shetland floor polisher - several sets of brushes


Johnson-wax turquoise "helmet" floor scrubber


Airway 88 Mark II canister - everything except power nozzle but does include very rare polisher attachment


Eureka Model G upright


Filtex 1937 tank


Canadian Electrolux Z89 - includes THREE different Z89 power nozzles


Canadian Electrolux Z55 - beautiful maroon and blue


Singer R-1 upright


G.E. motor-driven upright - beautiful "machine age" styling up there with the Singer R1


Hoover Constellation yellow and tan -- motor unit only


Hoover 700 - VERY rare early "Special" version with matching black/silver bag and ornate nameplate (actually much more beautiful than the original 700!)


Hoover 725


Hoover 475 - replacement cord


Hoover 541


Hoover 825


Premier 37 motor-driven upright


Sweeper Vac motor-driven upright cir. 1937


Ohio Tuec straight-suction upright


Eureka Model 9 straight-suction upright


Electrolux tan model L - have orig hose in fair cond and maybe floor tool -- motor unit is beautiful & near mint


Electrolux dark turquoise model L - no power nozzle


Electrolux gold model L -- motor unit only but in exxxxxxcellent cond


G.E. Roll Easy -- beautiful cond, one of the gems of my collection. But has to go. Includes attachment caddy, spare original paper bags and instruction book


Haley's Comet canister - ditto. Missing large flat rug nozzle but complete otherwise


Fairfax S1 (1956) -- including the rare floor polisher setup


Modern Hygiene - mid 1940s. complete


Eatonia - beautiful Canadian tank


Early 1940s Universal tank - motor only. Beautiful machine


Early 1950s blue Universal tank complete incl orig box


Royal red tank cleaner - not the Royalaire but the later one


Kenmore Commander - including orig caddy-box


Westinghouse tank "I Love Lucy" model - incl attachment caddy


Westinghouse maroon tank - motor unit only but beautiful. Is a movie star - appeared in the film "Avalon"


Kirby Classic 1CR - the first one. Everything imaginable in an original boxes - complete.


And, yes, I do have a Kenmore Imperial "Bug Eye" but that's already been promised to someone.


Other misc things - some attachments and original boxes and stuff that I will offer at the clean-up either for "free" or "make an offer." I've got about 50 Electrolux floor polisher attachments, for example, many in the original boxes and complete. I will keep a few of them and liquidate the rest.



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Thanks.......



Charles R Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Friday, April 22, 2005 at 13:12:18 (MDT)


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Good luck Marty. That sounds like quite a project. I think I remember that RJ made a beautiful Hoover bag one time. Keep us posted on your progrss. Terry

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Tuesday, April 19, 2005 at 21:38:43 (MDT)


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Here's a funky question:


I have Dave Olsen's Premier Duplex at my house. It has a rather beat up Health Mor cloth bag on it. I'm thinking of trying to sew a new bag for it. What would be the best material to use for a bag. I'm going to measure the Health Mor bag and use it as a pattern. I've never made a bag before so this will be like a science project for me.

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Tuesday, April 19, 2005 at 11:57:59 (MDT)


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Hi, here's another email that came to the vaccc.com website. If anyone wants some old Kirby stuff, give the lady a holler!


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Greetings! After 33 years of owning the same Kirby vacuum I have moved on but in cleaning out the Kirby's residential closet I found accessories never or hardly-ever used. I am wondering if one in your group would be interested in:


Miracle Head and Rug Renovator attachments - still in original box. (I didn't shampoo the carpets or buff the floors)


Handi-Butler accessories in the original box. I believe I got this from the estate of an old lady and I never used it. It sharpens knifes? It is older than my 33 year-old unit.


Although my Kirby vacuum is aged I am hoping the machine AND the great accessories could be important to someone. I just feel badly about taking it all to Goodwill or to a neighborhood garage sale.


I look forward to your response. Thanks very much.


Cindy Bryant, Lacey, Washington

cindylouhoo@earthlink.net



Charles R Lester
Los Angeles, California USA - Saturday, April 16, 2005 at 19:48:13 (MDT)


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There certainly is no way that I could better tell the events of last weekend. Charlie as always has done it most eloquently!! It was a fun filled weekend to say the least. Fred N. was the most gracious host!! It was very touching to see Tania recieve her beloved Dual 80. Kirby had done a fantastic job on the rebuild. The gala on Saturday night was and evening that I will always remember. I felt like "Cinderella" going to the ball.LOL Many thanks to everyone there for such a great weekend! Terry

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il. USA - Friday, April 15, 2005 at 12:31:11 (MDT)


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Dear members:


Well, the past weekend was a mini-meet to remember and some of you were the victoms of our our devious, yet fun filled "Drink and Dial", Saturday night fun.


Fred Nelson, generously hosted 6 members at his home in St. Charles, IL. He is on the Board of the generous and tony, "Human First", Board in Chicago, which is an AIDS fund raising foundation.


I flew in Friday afternoon and was met by Fred and the lovely Tania Voigt at O'Hare. How fab is that to start off the weekend? Then we motored to St. Charles and stopped at the local Depot to collect Terry Lattz, fresh in from Danville, IL.


It was then off to Fred's palatial home for fun with vacuums. Shortly, VCCC Vice-Pres., Jeff Parker joined us. Well, long story short, we played with Fred's collection and had dinner and imbided along the way until the wee hours of the morning.


Mid Saturday morning, Fred Stachnik and his friend Joe Jolley joined us for the festivities. At this point, one of the most wonderful things happened..........Fred S. had suggested to me and Fred N. that we try to find a Dual 80 Kirby for Miss Tania. The reason behind that was: at the time the 80 was introduced, Tania lost her mother and she was about 12-13ish. The Kirby salesman came calling very shortly after the death of Tania's mother. Well, Tania being Tania, said of course, they would take the vacuum. Due to the fact that family funds were tied up in probate for several weeks, that created a financial hardship.


When Tania's father learned that Tania said yes to the Kirby salesman, the proverbial s___ hit the fan and he said it all had to go back. When the Kirby salesman returned to collect the $$$$, Tania's dad told Tania to get the vacuum. Meanwhile, our Miss T. had HIDDEN all the attachments to the Dual 80! And there must have been a gazillon of them if you remember!


She finally got them all and sadly gave them back to the salesman. This on top of losing Mom. Fred S., Fred N. and I decided it was time that Tania have an 80 in it's full glory for an early Birthday present. So, I found a complete, yet iffy, 80 on ebay. We sent it to Kirby who did a fabulous rebuilt. We had the attachments and boxes so it was totally complete. And, on that wonderful Saturday morning, we finally fufilled a young women's dream.................a Dual Sanitronic 80, new in the box. None of us were dry eyed for such a moving event.


Have fabulous is that? For those of you that know Tania, she not only deserved this but on some level it was owed to her.


After that somewhat dramatic event, we left Fred N. to have some, "down", time and the rest of us went for lunch, to ship a vacuum, to purchase vacuum items and finally to buy at an antique mall, a near mint Kirby 562 with all it's tools, attachments and manuals. It is reported that the 562 has an interesting history and I have emailed Charlie Lester for details on this. (I am awaiting his reply.)


Later, we got all dolled up in our black ties and gowns and piled into a FAB white stretch limo with several bottles of Champagne to attend the fund raising function. Mayor Daley spoke, Martha Walsh of, "The Weather Girls", performed, money was raised, a sea of handsome men and women were cruised, we danced our asses off and finally limoed back to Fred's house. Several unusal and interesting items flew out the rear windows of the limo on the way back.................


All this said, we sadly drove and or flew back to our respective homes on Sunday morning and or afternoon. How time flies during periods of debauchery!


Back to the humdrum worlds or work on Monday morning.............however, this author worked a trip to Las Vegas and sat by the pool thinking, "Eat your hearts out people", and then ordered another beverage by the modelesque pool attendant.............so life goes on as the stomach turns in the vernacular of the old Carol Burnette show.


My best and thanks to all, espically: Ida, Tania, Concetta, Taffy, Chicklet and the ever always, Agnes. XO

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Thursday, April 14, 2005 at 22:40:58 (MDT)


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To Mike Banta:

Hi. It's nice to have you back on the forum. Missed you.


The V series GE canister used the same motor design as the swivel top series, but in a smaller style cleaner, similar in appearance to the Kenmore canisters. It was, in reality, just a more 'modern' canister, since the swivel tops were (at that time) almost 15 years old.


I have a pack of non-original GE bags that fit your machine. I'd be willing to 'trade' for them. I'm absolutely certain you have something I want. We'll talk soon.


The upright GE takes the same belt as the twin-fan Singer that Wally World sold a few years ago. The belts are still available. You can even use F & G Eureka bags BUT you need to cut off the fill tube about two inches up.


If you'd like, write to me privately at dysonman1@hotmail.com and we'll arrange for you to get those bags and a belt for your upright.


tommy g.

tom gasko
USA - Thursday, April 14, 2005 at 15:47:12 (MDT)


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What a great story Jeff! Thanks so much for sharing it with us. I hope that you are doing something fun on your special day. Terry

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Thursday, April 14, 2005 at 07:39:37 (MDT)


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On this day in history: 28 years ago, April 14, 1977, my collection was born. I still remember it like it was yesterday, Easter break from School(I was in 7th grade) and getting up on trash day early to set out to find some treasure amongst the trash. Up til that time vacuums came and went pretty fast, I'd play with them, and then usually take them apart so I could see all the guts. Nothing really spectacular had been found up to that point either. At that time I had two Singer Canisters, a C-7 and an E-11, courtesy of my Aunt. As I walked out the back door I asked my mom to wish me luck on finding something, which she did, even adding a "be careful and have fun" I didn't have to go very far. About halfway down the block I spotted a handle peeking out from behind some cans, and I had my treasure: A Singer A-frame model U43. It was in kinda sad shape, the handle would not stay up, and the fan covers were all cracked and had been repaired with tape more than a few times, but it did run. I spent the rest of the day studying/fixing that Singer up, and had it for a long time. I no longer remember what happened to that Singer, probably it eventually fell apart from being taken apart/put back together so many times. For a long time I regretted not treating it better, mainly because I could not find any others. Today there are 6 A-frame Singers in my collection, including a very nice model U43 given to me by my friend Joe in New York. That model will always be special, it was the first upright vacuum I had, and marks the start of a hobby that I love. I will also always remember April 14 as a holiday.

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Thursday, April 14, 2005 at 07:09:09 (MDT)


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Morgan,


I would love a copy of that owner's manual, Thank you. I will pay for the cost. I have 3 Areodyn'e in my collection. A 41, which is in not so great of shape, just the tank with a replaced cord. A model 53 which is in great shape with all the attachments and a model 50 which is in okay shape but not complete.


My friend Rick has a model 51. Models 50,51 and 53 are all similar as the have the bakelite ends. The 41 is grey with red ends. Is the hose on your 55 cloth? Ken Wagman once sent me Aerodyne hose ends that had blue-ish ends so i always wondered which Areodyne they came from.

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Wednesday, April 13, 2005 at 20:59:55 (MDT)


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Rec'd the following query to the vccc web site tonight. Any Montanans in the club? Montanians? Montananites??!


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My daughter who lives in Lakeside, Montana near Kalispell has an old singer and an old hoover vacuum. At one time I had the name of a collector somewhere near the college in Montana and wonder if you would just happen to have any members in that state or area. I'll pass the info on to here if I hear from you. Thanks for your time! DarleneLucio@aol.com


Charles R Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Tuesday, April 12, 2005 at 23:16:32 (MDT)


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Hello, VCCC collectors. My Name is Nathan L. Thomas, and I am one of the newer members of your Vacuum Cleaner Collector's Club. I reside In Wayside, Texas. I am looking to add an Electrolux vacuum, model "Hospital G" to add to my collection. I understand those are quite rare, although if any of you have one that you might want to sell, please let me know. It does not matter if it is complete, it does not have to have the hose or attachments. I would be willing to pay up to $100.00 for one. I enjoy collecting Electrolux Vacuum Cleaners, and have over 100 of them in my collection. I also enjoy talking to other members about vacuum cleaners. You may reach me by e-mail: kingofsteam@midplains.coop., or you may telephone me at (806) 764-3455, or my cell number is (806) 584-2140. Thank-you.

Nathan L. Thomas

Nathan L. Thomas
Wayside, TX USA - Tuesday, April 12, 2005 at 06:05:13 (MDT)


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I just picked up a G.E V1 canister. It is in fairly good shape. My local vac store tells me bags are no longer available. Does any one know of a substatute for this unit. And does any one have a package of original G.E. V series , & upright bags. Have a G.E U7 upright. Does any one have a belt it. is there a cross over belt that is similar to the original. Any one know any thing about the GE. V series? was it a lower priced unit than the swival top? or about the same just different style? I know only G,E. made it. when premire took over in the early 70 's they discontinued it. . Thanks mike

Mike Banta
San Jose, ca USA - Monday, April 11, 2005 at 23:43:54 (MDT)


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Marty,


Very similar to the Areodyn, not sure if that is spelled correctly. It is gray in color, the hose and tools are a blueish gray in color. It seems to have very good suction. It has a cloth bag that is removable. The lady that owned this vacuum had only used it with paper inserts and I might add it appears she used only genuine Hoover. One was still in the box. If you would like I can copy the orginal instruction booklet and send it to you.

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Sunday, April 10, 2005 at 17:11:28 (MDT)


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Morgan,


I don't think i've ever seen a model 55. What does it look like? Is it the square tank and what color is it? Sounds like a rare machine!

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Sunday, April 10, 2005 at 09:25:13 (MDT)


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Well I am the proud new owner of a model 55 Hoover. With the help of Chuck Chatham and the resourses of Hans Craig it is up and running very smoothly. It came with the original box and all the tools. My problem is now that the bare floor tool and the dusting brush need new inserts. Does any one have any spares laying around? Probalby could also use a new brush strip in the carpet tool as well. Willing to pay in advance of shipment.


Morgan

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Thursday, April 07, 2005 at 19:44:29 (MDT)


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Gee this place is quiet. Where IS everybody?!


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I rec'd the following email from Don O'Connor who asked me to pass the word along:


Don O'Connor

O'CONNOR'S SALES & SERVICE WHOLESALE DISTRIBUTORS

3224 Market Street

Youngstown, Ohio 44507

PHONE: 330-782-4705 / 330-782-6602

FAX: 330-782-5056

doconnors@neo.rr.com


Hi vacuum cleaner collectors first come first served. For sale to a good home for 25 Hoovers models listed below all for $625.00 for all complete and most in working order.


1. Hoover Junior

1. Model 102

1. Model 103

1. Model 105

1. Model 115

1. Model 150

1. Model 300

1. Model 305

1. Model 425

1. Model 450

1. Model 475

1. Model 541

1. Model 543

1. Model 575

1. Model 700

1. Model 725

1. Model 750

1. Model 800

1. Model 825

1. Model 972

1. Model 26

1. Model 27

1. Model 28

1. Model 29

1. Model 60



Charles R Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Wednesday, April 06, 2005 at 12:19:48 (MDT)


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Those are some nasty vacuums!

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 at 20:23:17 (MDT)


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INVASION OF THE MUTANT VACUUM CLEANERS!


See them, if you dare look!


www.137.com/invasion






Charles R Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Tuesday, April 05, 2005 at 16:26:07 (MDT)


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I rec'd the following email from a guy in Northern California who is looking for a good home for his collection of Electroluxes - FOR THE TAKING. I had emailed this to the people on the VCCC club list who are in that general area but no one replied to me so I guess they're not interested.


As you will read, the guy wants someone who can come pick the stuff up but if no one nibbles, he might be willing to ship it. I don't really know how many cleaners he has, but a Model V alone woul be more than worth a little effort to pursue.


Hope somebody can take him up on his offer! Wish I lived closer -- I'd be by his place in a flash! Lemme know if he really has treasures and you were able to get something really nice!


Cheers,


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Charlie Lester



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I share your interest in vintage vacuum cleaners. From 1978 to 1981 I was the assistant manager of the Oakland, CA Electrolux branch and later, branch manager in Stockton, CA where I now reside. I collected several old trade-in models during that time and entertained the idea of one day having my own museum, but alas, other interests have taken up most of my time and I am soon to remove from northern California and return to my native upstate New York.


To quickly get to the point I want to unload my collection to someone who will appreciate it, free of charge, to any of your members who live close enough to Stockton to come and get it so I won't have to deal with packing it up and shipping it. I have a model XXX in very good condition with a lot of accessories including a rug washer and a very rare, rubber garment bag. I also have a model V in not so hot condition, but it still ran when I got it. I am hesitant to plug it in now because the cord is so badly deteriorated. I am hoping you do have some northern Californians among your membership who might be willing to make the trip to my home to pick this stuff up. It's a shame that it just has to sit in boxes when it could be displayed and enjoyed.


Dave Kester

dvkester@hotmail.com


Charles R Lester
Los Angeles, CA - Saturday, April 02, 2005 at 16:32:29 (MST)


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Charlie,

I would very much like to see that early 505 polisher if you would be willing to share a picture of it.

Thanks

Bruce C.






Bruce Cinquegrani
Memphis, TN USA - Friday, April 01, 2005 at 19:52:22 (MST)


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Here's a link to a GREAT treasure trove! Be sure to check out the Hoover!!

SEE: http://www.exhibitornet.com/spotlight/historygallery/index.asp



Charles R Lester
Los Angeles, CA United States - Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 00:50:35 (MST)


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I have one of the snap-on floor polishers for the early 505 that Tom described. The machine is VERY strange looking with it in place! But it does do a good job and is fun to use. If someone has not seen this, I can snap a photo and stick it on my site somewhere.



Charles R Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 00:50:06 (MST)


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I'll tell you when the trend first started with the Kirby and the polisher. The first motor driven polisher unit was on the 505. You removed the brush roller from the regular nozzle, the polisher brush 'attachment' went underneath the nozzle, and a very long belt attached to the drive shaft. The weight rested on the brush, and it did a very good job.


Once the power polisher was made an attachment with its own belt lifter (to simplify manufacturing and for customer convenience) Kirby engineers believed that operating it with the height adjuster set at the lowest position would be fine and would work without putting too much heat to the belt. This was a problem with the '505' design, the belt wore out quickly due to excessive heat from all the brushes burnishing the bare floors.


Locking the handle down and resting the weight of the machine onto the brushes was a throw back by Kirby salesmen (who kept their jobs, in the '40s and '50s, for years at a time - it was considered a good job to be a salesman) to the rapid polishing they got with that polisher. Sure, it polishes faster set on the brush. And speed is what the demonstration is all about. It's not the best for the mechanism, it can slip out of the customer's hand and damage something more readily, and it wears out the belt and brushes much faster, resulting in no better shine (according to the company). But it is faster. And some say it's a much better shine. I've never had the kind of floors that needed waxing so I can't say either way.

tom gasko
USA - Tuesday, March 29, 2005 at 17:19:20 (MST)


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Charlie

Your D50 information is correct in locking the

upright handle while using the Floor Polisher.

I believe it was our local Kirby Dealer that

showed me that, in the 50's. As I weekly damped

mopped a hard waxed kitchen floor and then polished with the Kirby!! I thought it was in the

513 Kirby instruction book I still have but "no"

it dose not say anything about locking that handle!?

Do you know anyone who might have an almost new/

good brown Hoover cloth dust bag. I bought a

Hoover model 26 w/attachments on ebay. Good shape

but the dust bag and clip are not good enought to

use!

Thanks much

Norm Brown

Norm Brown
columbus, OH USA - Friday, March 25, 2005 at 20:40:20 (MST)


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--- Photos / Info Request for upcoming "Reader's Digest" book ---


I received the following email today. If anyone can help the researcher out with her request, please contact her directly.


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Hello,


I am a freelance photo researcher working for Reader's Digest Association on their new book, Extraordinary Stories Behind Ordinary Things. One of the anecdotes is about the Hubert C. Booth horse drawn vacuum. We are hoping to find a photo or illustration of the this vacuum to use with the article as well as in the promotional material for the book, and wondering if you might have any we could use or know where we could find some.


Since our deadline is early next week, I would appreciate it if you can let me know as soon as possible.


Many thanks in advance.


Sincerely,


Jeanne Leslie


Reader's Digest

Reader's Digest Road

Pleasantville, NY 10570

Ph: 914-489-7627

Fax: 845-698-4003

jmles@optonline.net



Charles R Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 11:59:57 (MST)


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A note about the way I displayed the floor polisher setup on my D-50 page. That's the way that the machine was properly used for floor polishing. This was demonstrated to me by an oldtimer salesman. You lock the handle in the lowest horizontal position, then when you raise the handle up, the machine is lifted from the floor with only the polisher head making contact. Just like the arrangement on a "regular" floor polisher.


If the machine is kept in the same position as when cleaning rugs, the wheels impede the polisher head from making good contact with the floor. The way that a polisher works - as you probably know - is that the wax is heated up by friction. The more friction, the more heat, the better the wax is worked into the wood - along with the pressure of the bristles against the floor. This cannot happen efficiently with the wheels in the way.


Used in this position, the Kirby is one of the best domestic floor polishers you can find. Especially great that you can not only get right up to the edge of the baseboard, you can also do the baseboard! Rotating circular brush polishers can't do this at all.


No, I don't know why it was not shown this way in any of the instruction manuals.



Charles R Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Wednesday, March 23, 2005 at 10:49:23 (MST)


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Charlie,, I went to your site and looked at the Kirby D-50. That is a pristine machine! Very clean, and well taken care of! Hopefully, I can stop in and see it in person while attending the convention this year.

Victor Lee
Palm Springs, CA USA - Wednesday, March 23, 2005 at 02:03:51 (MST)


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Hi all, thanks for the nice comments on the D50 page. It was a lot of fun putting it together and I am glad it's being enjoyed.


I also have a really nice Kirby Classic 1CB that's 100% complete and original, including the Handi-waxer, Handi-Butler, Rug Renovator, Floor Polisher, dusting attachments, and the shag rug comb! All packed in the large original shipping carton. I am waffling about keeping that one. I kinda hate to let it go since it's so complete, but it does take up soooo much room; I'm not all THAT crazy about the Classics; and I could sooo much use the $$$. The only reason I have hung onto it is because it is a landmark model -- the first "Monster Nozzle" Kirby. We'll see. I sold another one like it in equal condition on eBay a couple years ago and it did reeeeeeally well. So, yes, it's tempting. Poor thing is cowering in the corner now!! hahaha


To Tom, I agree with you that the Lewyt bunch were, in restropect, a bit underhanded ... but aren't most vacuum cleaner companies?! Dirty deeds and skullduggery have marred the history books of many major vacuum cleaner companies. It's nothing new. It IS odd, as you say, that this guy would suddenly come out of the woodwork 50 years after the fact, isn't it!!


"What a world, what a world......."

Charles R Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Wednesday, March 23, 2005 at 00:06:01 (MST)


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Charlie,


Just saw your D50 and it is gorgeous! On my D80, the sudser gun fits into the rug renovater box. Not sure if that's the way it was originally packed but it fits.

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 22:44:39 (MST)


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Nice job Charlie, and seeing a nice D50 brings back memories. My first

ever Kirby was a D50, rescued from the trash when I was 16(1980) It was in

decent shape and original, just missing its brush roll and suffering from

noisy bearings. After rescuing it, I rode home on my 10-speed bike with that Kirby over the

handle bars...I was completely in shock that someone would throw a KIRBY

away! It was summer when I found it, so the following day I pestered

my mom enough to drive me to the closest vac shop(in Schaumburg, called

Vacuumland USA) so I could get my brush roller. I brought the machine with me

so I'd be sure I got the right one. The guy running the store was amazed

too, he offered me $100 for that Kirby right there!

I kept that Kirby for quite a while, always firmly believing it was worth

something. I used it, learned from it and loved it. I never did get the

bearings fixed though...

I parted with it in late 1986. I was working for a cleaning service at that

time, and had worn out 2 Hoovers in 6 months. I wanted a Sanitaire in the

worst way, so my D50 was traded in for a Sanitaire Red SC888, which I still

have today. I bought the Sanitaire from a small vac shop in Itasca run by a

young-ish guy and his wife. The guy gave me a $50 trade in allowance, and I

was happy. A year later I bought my first new Kirby, a Heritage II model I

also still have.

I wish I could remember who told me this, but somewhere someone once said to me "Old Kirbys never die, they just keep getting rebuilt."

Your D50 is a beauty!


Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 22:13:57 (MST)


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To Charlie Lester:

Perhaps the 'filter queen' moron could use some education. The Lewyt 40 and 44 were indeed copies of what would become the Filter Queen model 350. Ironically, both the Lewyt models as well as the Filter Queen used EXACTLY the same Lamb motor. Neither was more powerful than the other. The Lewyt was less expensive. It was just as well made. It had a cloth filter AFTER the cone - which meant the cleaner could be used without the filter cone in an emergency. AND, according to the model 40 Lewyt owners manual, the Lewyt could be used for shampooing and to pick up suds and water.


It's true that Alex Lewyt was a crook and a scam artist with respect to the Filter Queen / Lewyt debacle. He did indeed look at plans to manufacture what was to become the Filter Queen 350, back in 1945. Royal was still making the model 200 Filter Queen before the war and was planning on making it again after. The first Lewyt (model 40) was launched 1947. The Filter Queen 350 wasn't launched until 1949.


As we all know, the first Health-Mor cleaners from 1928 weren't "health-mor's" at all. They were Scott and Fetzer Sanitation Systems. With a cloth bag. That spewed dust. The next batch 1930 - 1940) was a Private Labeled Royal "Super".

There are NO parts available for any model "Heath-Mor" nor are parts available for the models Filter Queen 200 and 350.


I find it interesting that in this "Day of the Dyson" people are coming out of the woodword proclaiming they, too, had the Cyclone. Which of course, they did not. There was never a true Cyclonic Filtration in the Filter Queen. If there were, there'd be no need for the Filter Cone.

tom gasko
USA - Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 18:12:05 (MST)


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Someone I know has a red Princess that they would like to sell it for $75, or trade it for a newer Princess 2 or 3. the only problem with that the hose doesn't lock to the wand correctly, and the cuff at the end of the wand was described to me as the bump inside worn down. For more information, or to buy/trade email him.


Vacworld89@aol.com


Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 16:11:00 (MST)


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P.S. to my D-50 web page --- in doing the photo shoot yesterday, I realized that there are two things I need to make this a 100% complete ensemble -- the original box for the floor polisher head, and the box (if there was one) for the sprayer-sudser gun. If anyone has spares of these two boxes, and wants to sell or trade them, please let me know. Thanks!


Charles R Lester
Los Angeles, CA - Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 12:10:25 (MST)


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Hi Marty,


That was my assumption! That he - or Filter Queen - would go after me if I tried to sell my Lewyt!! I interpreted his many expressions of desire to own a Lewyt "for curiosity's sake" as bait -- enticing me to make an offer to sell it to him. Well, as if I could care less! Here is the email that I sent back to him --- again, comments are welcome!


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Dear Mr. Ortman,


Filter Queen Did NOT -- most certainly did not -- "put Lewyt out of business." The company consolidated with the Shetland company in the early 1960s and made machines for another 15 years or so under the name "Shetland-Lewyt" and then died a natural death in the mid 1970s.


There was a lawsuit, yes, of the sour-grapes variety, that, yes, Filter Queen did win. Of course, it would be expected for the gloating Filter Queen bigwigs to make a big deal out of it and send copies of dire letters and legal documents to their salesmen, explaining how they "put Lewyt out of business." But ... tiny detail: That's horses#!t. The reality is much simpler: Lewyt changed the design of their filter and that was the end of it.


You, even in retirement, are still parroting that same "company line" that ALL vacuum cleaner companies brainwash their salesmen with: "Our product is the best. All others are inferior to ours. No one makes sweepers as good as ours."


It's like religions -- every religion claims to have cornered the market on God, and that only they are the "one true religion." Well, they can't ALL be the "one true religion," can they?


And the same applies to vacuum cleaners -- All the "high end" vacuum cleaners at any point in history are more or less comparable to one another. It's all just overheated hype.


Sounds to me like you're harboring an fairly irrelevant and rather anachronistic grudge. With all that's going on in the world today, can't you find some nobler, worthier cause to direct your energies toward?


Rather amused, all in all,


Charlie Lester

Vintage Vacuum Cleaner Collector



Charles R Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 00:24:15 (MST)


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Hi y'all, I got inspired today (e.g., was bored!), and decided to put up a page about my D-50.


SEE:


http://www.137.com/kirbyd50


Enjoy!


Charles R Lester
Los Angeles, CA - Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 00:17:48 (MST)


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Hi Charlie,


What is this Terry guy saying? If you wanted to sell you mint Lewyt 44 , you can't because it would be a violation against Filter queen and the Patents Act?


I thinks it's funny that some companies who manufacture vacuum cleaners prefer that they not be called vacuum cleaners but rather "home sanitation systems"

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 23:28:16 (MST)


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Rec'd my convention registration packet today -- looks good! Looks fun!! Thanks, Dave Olsen, for sending this out. Don't know who prepared the brochure -- but whomever it was, thank you, too! :)

Charles R Lester
Los Angeles, CA - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 21:52:51 (MST)


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I rec'd the following email today from a person named Terry Ortman. I invite commentary on his remarks about Filter Queen having "put Lewyt out of business." !!


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I recently found your site doing a serach on the Internet.


As a Former Filter Queen Sales Manager. YES, The Company that put Lewyt out of business for violating their Patent.


I have been trying to find one of these to add to my collection, I almost got one when I demonstrated the Filter Queen to a customer and he pulled out his Lewyt that he couldn't get bags for anymore.


Lewyt violated the Health-Mor Patent by basically making an exact dupliacte of the Filter Queen Home Sanitation Unit, it is NOT a Vacuum, in that it works on Cyclonic airflow, rather than a vacuum.


I would appreciate it if you happen to come across any of these Lewyts for sale, or to be thrown away, etc., if you would contact me.


I'm surprised that every time I see these Filter Queen Clones, and a histroy like you put on your site, that you fail to mention that the Lewyt was manufactured and the comapny was sued for patent infringement. I do have all my Filter Queen Sales Material from when I was the Sales Manager for the local distributor, and I do have the Lewyt Lawsuit Letter that was included in our sales kit.


I do not know how good the Lewyt is as compared to the Filter Queen, but, since it is an INFERIOR Copy, as I said, the person who owned the one I demonstrated the Filter Queen to, did not have any filters, not really bags, to compare.


We were given orders by Health-Mor to turn any Lewyts we ever got in trade over to them.


It is my understanding, that because they were sued for Patent Infringement, it is ILLEGAL to SELL these, as doing so will violate the International and Federal Patent Laws.


As I said, I have been trying to get one of these to add to my collection, because let's face it, unlike a 1928 Filter Queen, if it breaks down, you aren't going to get any parts to repair or replace it. If a 1928 Filter Queen Breaks Down, just like any of them from the first to the present, they will be repaired under the Lifetime Warranty for $49.95 at the most.


THank You.




Charles R Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 21:26:38 (MST)


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Charlie, very interesting about the dryer sheets.I used them for years until i was visiting Rich Maher in the OC and he bought this vintage "skinny mini" Whirlpool stacked washer and dryer. He used Downey and the clothes we washed smelled great! So i went out and bought some too. After a couple of loads trying to catch the washer at the rinse cycle and missing it, i switched to the Downey ball. What a convience! Then i started noticing these splotchy stains on my clothes, most visible on my colored t-shirts and my colored scrubs!!! I figured out it was from the concentrated downey leaving the ball and hitting the first thing it came into contact with and not really diluting into the rinse water. I had to go back and be the starched white nurse for awhile until i could get those stains out. Eventually i went back to the dryer sheets. I will now start cleaning the lint trap with the soap and water.


The Gain i used to freshen the vacuum bags, silly boy, was granular and i would sprinkle some on the carpet just like carpet fresh and vacuum it up. That is until i did that with a Vorwerk Vk117. You know the older yellow model that looked like a grasshopper? I vacuumed up the Gain with one of those but instead of going into the bag, most of the Gain spewed out of the vent holes on the motor!!! What a site!!! LOL!!! Something right out of a Lucy episode!


Since then i just pour a little Gain right into the bag. I gave my sister an Electrolux Olympia One a long time ago and she loaned it to our cousin who called my sister and said "your vacuum cleaner smells like Gain!" Now i think she uses the Gain in her vacuum.



Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Monday, March 21, 2005 at 11:18:24 (MST)


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Has anyone noticed the incredible bounty of Electroluxes on eBay all of a sudden? There are at least a half-dozen, maybe more, Turquoise Gs and several of them have recently closed, along with a beautiful Tan G that went for quite a small bit.


Same for XXX's -- there are at least a dozen on there now, with FOUR just added today. There was a really nice one on last week with all the original attachments including the woven hose and floor polisher attachment that only went for about $50. Surprising.


Just goes to show ... Electroluxes just keep going, and going, and going.......!



Charles R Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Sunday, March 20, 2005 at 22:27:37 (MST)


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Hello,


Can anyone who has seen the movie "Pink Floyd The Wall" tell me what sort of vacuum the hotel maid is using in the very beginning of the movie? Commercial canister (not tank) type, motor clamps on top of the dirt container like a Filter Queen. The motor sound is distinctive; it definitely isn't a Lamb. It reminds me a little of my old NSS Pig.


While that scene is supposed to be set in a Los Angeles hotel, I don't know whether that scene was filmed in the states.


Also, for anyone who hasn't seen the movie, it's excellent. If someone has an idea about what this cleaner is, I'd appreciate their input.


Regards,

Owen Perkins

Owen Perkins
Naperville, IL USA - Sunday, March 20, 2005 at 18:16:33 (MST)


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To Marty R & Tom G-

The word from my local Royal dealer is that Royal has recently discontinued the Micro-Fresh Style J bag. However, under much pressure from Royal dealers (and looming competition from EnviroCare and others) Royal has decided to put the Micro Fresh style J back into prodiction. So if you have any difficulty obtaining them, they should be back on the market soon.


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Sunday, March 20, 2005 at 08:32:54 (MST)


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Marty, was that powdered Gain, or liquid? hahaha!


I never thought of putting dryer sheets in the vacuum cleaner to make it smell good, but that does make sense. However, wouldn't it clog the machine and reduce the suction if the sheets are put behind the bag instead of inside it, at least with Electrolux-type tanks and canisters, since it would block some of the air holes?


Speaking of dryer sheets, it turns out that these marvels of modern laundry convenience are deadly for clothes washers. I got the following email last week, and its information is verified on that bastion of urban legend debunking, snopes.com.


(see http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/dryer.asp)


Anyway, here's the email:


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I had a wonderful morning, the heating unit went out of my dryer! The guy that fixes things went in to the dryer and pulled out the lint filter. It was clean. We always clean the lint from the filter after every load of clothes. He told us that he wanted to show him something. He took the filter over to the sink and ran hot water over it. Now, this thing is like a mesh - I'm sure you know what your dryer's lint filter looks like - WELL......the hot water just laid on top of the mesh!!! It didn't go through it at all!!!


He told us that dryer sheets cause a film to get coated over that mesh and that's what burns out the heating unit. You can't SEE the film, but it's there. He said the best way to keep your dryer working for a very long time (and to keep your electric or gas bill lower) is to take that filter out and wash it with hot soapy water and an old toothbrush (or other brush) at least every six months. He said that doing this makes the life of the dryer at least twice as long! How about that???!!!! Learn something new everyday! I certainly didn't know dryer sheets would do that. So, thought I'd share the info!


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Addenda from Charlie: I went to dryer and tested my screen by running water on it. The water collected a little but ran though the screen. I dried it off and was ready to put it back in the dryer since the water ran through it but, I thought what the heck it won't hurt to wash it while I had it out. Warm soapy water and a nylon brush and I had it done in 30 seconds.


I then ran the water over the screen and what a difference -- the water just gushed through it with no puddling at all and this time I was running the water at a faster rate. That repairman knew what he was talking about!


Also: I sent this information to a friend who works in the laundry machine business, and he gave me the further bad news that dryer sheets are also bad for cloth: The sheets contain paraffin (wax), which coats fabric and clogs the fibers (just as it does dryer screen), causing the fabric to lose a great deal of absorbency. So, you don't want to use the toss-in sheets for towels, bed linens, "unmentionables" etc - even though they may FEEL fluffier they really are not. He said that the best thing for fresh-smelling clothes is about a half-cup of baking soda per load of laundry. It will not scent the clothes but just make them smell fresh.


In light of all this, I have decided to stop using the dryer sheets. And wouldn't you know, I had just bought a jumbo-size box of them because they were half off ... guess the word is getting out about them and people are not buying them up so much anymore.



Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 23:08:02 (MST)


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I have used dryer sheets n some vcuums when they hae a odd smell that stays even after a good cleaning. It smells better and seems to make the smell leave faster. My aunt puts a dryer sheet under the motor filter on her older Riccar to make the air smell nice when shevacuums.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 23:04:26 (MST)


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Tom and RJ,


Thanks so much for the info and the advice on the Priscilla. I was thinking of actually calling her The Queen of the Desert. I'll try the micro fresh bags in it.


I've always put the dryer sheet in the bag itself, never thought to put it behind the bag. I HAVE put Gain detergent into a fresh bag and that always smells good.

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 21:25:32 (MST)


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To Marty R.:

The Priscilla (Queen of the Desert) vacuum has a unique rug nozzle, as R.J. said - it's nearest 'cousin' is the wonderful Apex Strato-Cleaner's rug nozzle. The Apex Strato has TWICE trumped every other straight suction canister ever entered into competition with it - except for the Priscilla. In fact, the Priscilla rug tool is SO good, at the Louisville convention, it removed more dirt than all but TWO of the uprights with revolving brush. The secret, my friend, is in the wands. You MUST hold them low, because they are made that way. It forces you to place the nozzle flat on the rug, allowing the 'comb' to open the nap and the still sweeping brush to free the carpet of entangled threads, hair, etc. The constant Air-Way suction across the face of the rug tool allows for very deep dirt removal - which is suprising since we (the VCCC) are using a plush 'test rug' not even on the market when the Priscilla was invented.


I would NOT use a Royal J. bag in the machine UNLESS it's a Micro-Fresh Royal bag OR I would keep the correct cardboard bag top from a full, genuine Sani-Magic bag. I would remove the plastic top from a Sanitizor genuine bag, place the bag into the Sani-Magic, flare open the end of the bag, and place the salvaged cardboard Sani-Magic bag top in place. Close the lid, and tear away the excess paper. You now have a genuine Air-Way bag in the Air-Way Sani-Magic, which should make your motor feel much better.


My advice to you would be to practice with your new Sani-Magic for the next year or so, figuring out the best angle for holding the wand, etc. Your Sani-Magic Priscilla Air-Way cleaner could ace the rug cleaning challenge and bring home a blue ribbon. But pactice makes perfect - as you well know. Congrats on your new Machine.


Has anyone else ever put a fabic softener sheet behind the bag, in front of the filter, on their tank cleaners? It sure does make the exhaust air smell great. Gain softener sheets smell the best, in my humble opinion.

tom gasko
USA - Saturday, March 19, 2005 at 20:55:36 (MST)


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CONVENTION REGISTRATION


Flyers for the 2005 convention with registration forms went out in today's mail and should be in your hands in the next few days.


The belated winter newsletter is scheduled for mailing next week. Much of it's content was established before convention plans were finalized, so the following issue (which will be RUSHED to print) will contain additional convention details. If you have any questions before then, please don't hesitate to contact me.


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue , WA - Friday, March 18, 2005 at 17:38:59 (MST)


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To Marty R:

Air-Way made the Priscilla in the early '60s, about 1960-61. It was a budget priced alternative to the more expensive Sanitizor. It was named after the daughter of then Air-Way President, Edward Lamb. When Air-Way discontinued the Priscilla, they sold the manufacturing rights to Royal. The design evolved into the Royal Pony, which is slighly longer. Priscilla bags are no longer made by Air-Way, but a Royal "J" bag is a good substitute. The hose/machine connection is the same style as the 3-pin Royal canisters. The small tools (upholstery, dusting, crevice) look similar to Eureka style, though some dealers substituted the Sanitizor-style tools. One of the unique features of the Priscilla was the rug nozzle; I don't know of any other machine that used the same style rug nozzle. I'd like to find one for the Priscilla I took to convention last year - the one I had on display with it was borrowed from Tania Voigt.


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue , WA - Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 16:34:45 (MST)


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Since we are on Air Way:


A friend of mine gave me an Air Way Priscilla Sani Magic! Just the machine but no hose or attachments. Does anyone out there have some for sale? Did Royal make these for AirWay? It looks so much like my Royal Pony. In fact i was under the impression that an Air Way bag would fit into the Priscilla but in wouldn't so i used a Royal type J bag and it fit perfectly.


When were these vacuums made and who makes the current Sani Clean line for Air Way?


Thanks, Marty






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Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 12:55:04 (MST)


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The quiet series power nozzle actually uses a poly v belt, not the v belt idea that Hoover uses. It looks more like a fan belt from a car.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 20:11:17 (MST)


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Tom and Jeff and other interested parties:


Re: the Air-Way New Century, I too think it is a great machine and I agree with Tom that a diffuser would be great and some type of attachment caddy ala the one used on the Lux 60 or something like that.

Jeff, regarding the noise of the power nozzle, Hayden does have a "Quiet Series" power nozzle used mainly for central vac systems. I talked with one of the salesmen at Hayden about it and found out it uses a "V" belt instead of a geared belt thus the more quiet operation. Fred Stachnick told me he is not too enamored of the V belt as Hoover has had some problems with that design. Knowing that Air-Way in not the most progressive company, I did not think they would even approach Hayden about offering the Quiet Series Power Nozzle which would be a nice option for a buyer. There a few other bells and whistles on it too but the noise level was the main thing.

With the HEPA filter pre-motor at the base of the evacuator, it does provide excellent filtering along with the wood pulp cellulose bags.


I'm still convinced after playing with my new Air-Way Scout, model 35, (acquired through Tania Voigt), that, that design "reworked", would put Air-Way back on the map big time. The effective two-motor effectiveness, clean and light weight design holds up today. Using the handle for for the point of hose insertion was light years ahead of the pack in 1936. Even Hoover's fabulous 150 did NOT have a paper bag and suction via the converter into the side of the machine is not nearly as powerful as the Scout's.


If the Scout was reengineered with a larger motor, brushroll modifications to meet today's consumer and less metal and more lightweight and easier to store.........I could sell them like hotcakes on QVC. The Powercast was a great attempt to bring some flavor of the past back with Art Deco lines but it was still way to heavy and loud. A new Air-Way could learn from this and launch a wonderful machine targeting the baby boomers with disposable cash and still desiring QUALITY!


All that said, I won't hold my breath!!! But it is fun to dream and I'm glad Air-Way is finally being talked about here and recognized as well. Keep it up folks!

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 16:06:25 (MST)


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Tom G:

I bought the SaniClean mainly for dusting and bare floors, and to get Jack's hair off the furniture. I've tried uprights with tools, hand vacs, and compact canisters, and none of them have the testicular fortitude to get dog hair off my couches. The Saniclean is lightweight, compact, and powerful, and so far I am very pleased with it. Its been through the house twice, and the first bag is nearly full. The Hayden(Kenmore) powernozzle is excellent as well, if a little noisy. Its also fairly easy to push in my 1/2 thick plush carpeting. The canister is just the right size and very maneuverable, much better than the Vita-Vac I have.

I looked my machine over after reading your post, I found no flaws in it, I think its very well made.

I know you'll think I'm picking on you when I say this(I'm not)but I'd spend $500 on an Airway any day before I'd spend the same amount on one of those brightly colored plastic things...UGH! This Saniclean will be around for a long time, I doubt it will ever wear out. Can the same be said of those plastic cleaners?

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Monday, March 14, 2005 at 21:21:44 (MST)


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To Jeff Parker:

Just wondering what it was about the Sani-Clean that made you want to buy a new one?


You gave me a yellow Sani-Clean that I have in my collection. At that time you said you didn't like them. The only difference between the two machines is the electric hose handle and power nozzle.


I like the Sani-Clean "New Century" well enough although I told Steve Tomberlin (Air-Way's President) that I didn't care for the new moniker. They had to have a way of distinquishing it from the Sani-Clean with the Douglas power nozzle.


My objection to the brand new Sani-Clean is in the manufacturing portion. You'll notice that the gasket isn't well glued and straight on the inside of the front cover. I told them at the factory several times that needed to be corrected. I see lots of labels that are slightly 'off center'. Air-Way does employ the retired farmers from their area.


From a profit standpoint, the Sani-Clean is much more profitable to make than the Sanitizor-style.

The material costs along are double, plus at least twice the labor in the manufacturing process - to mention nothing of the time polishing the aluminum rings for the Vita Vac, Sanitizor, and Signature Series styles.


The club should one day go to the Air-Way factory and visit it. It's interesting to see, and the workers do take pride in their work. They just let some things slide through that I think should not.


I'll never forget the first day of production of the Signature Series. I, of course, was at the factory - they engraved my signature on the first 100. The head of engineering at the factory came rushing over to get me from Steve's office. Seems that they couldn't figure out the wiring for the two-speed model (which included an innovative sentry power light next to the two-speed switch) and kept putting the lights out on the factory floor.


Apparently, they'd made several attempts to correct the mistake - with the same results. Lights went out. After I showed them how it was properly wired, the head of engineering made ME plug it in, fully expecting the worst. Of course, it ran just fine in both speed positions - and I had a good laugh at the doubt in the eyes of the people who work on the line. I have it all on video, we showed the tape at one of the meetings.


I told Steve he should take a cue from the old Royal Power Tank design and place an attachment holder over the top of the Sani-Clean as well as put a Hepa filter and diffuser on the exhaust end (it would attach like the hose does). Now that the Royal is all but gone (except in a straight suction commercial version) - the Sani-Clean could rightfully take the Royal's place in many vac shops - if it were updated.



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USA - Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 23:46:04 (MST)


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Speaking of high end vacuums: New arrival in my house this week too, an Air-Way SaniClean New Century. I've wanted one for some time, and finally ordered one through Charlie Watrous. It was waiting for me when I got home from work last Monday, and I've now had a chance to use it some.

I absolutely love it, its light, maneuvers easy, and cleans beautifully. I've always liked the Vita-Vac I have, just thought it was kinda clumsy. The SaniClean is everything I expected and then some!

Thanks also to Charlie W!

Jeff Parker hoover1060@comcast.net
Roselle, IL USA - Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 16:36:26 (MST)


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The Kirby Dual Sanitronic 50

Another Childhood Recollection

by Charlie Lester


There was an elderly lady in my church who lived in an old three-story country house (in rural Virginia). I always liked going with my dad (minister) to visit her because it was fun to explore through her big house and look for all her vacuum cleaners -- she had a bunch of 'em, including a Model F (early version) that she stored in the original box in her kitchen pantry.


And she had TWO Model XXXs - one in her garage and another one in the basement! Even at that young age I could see differences between the two XXXs - one was the later 1950 model with the new streamlined rug nozzle, and had the companion. The other was the earlier postwar model, with the flat runners and the bulkier rug nozzle with the black bumper.


Then she had a really old straight-suction G.E. hand-vac, and some other funny kind of tank cleaner - a Bee-vac I think, or maybe an Apex. I only saw it once. It was maroon with chrome ends and a maroon hose, solid color with no pattern. That one was in a closet on the second floor. And she had a Eureka upright that I was not particularly interested in. It was in her front hall closet. All I remember about it was that it was two-tone brown and tan.


One day when we were there, I was up snooping around in the third floor of her house, which was pretty much unused - her large family having all grown up and moved away so those bedrooms stood empty - a little dusty and eerily quiet, like a cemetery almost.


In one of the rooms was a huge walk-in closet with a bunch of stuff stored in it. When I peeked in there, I saw a long, tan box on the floor with black stripes and lettering --- then when I saw the word KIRBY my heart started pounding! I opened the box and saw all these beautiful and mysterious-looking tan Kirby parts -- but where was the machine??


I looked around at the stuff that was stored in there and then saw, way in the back of the closet, a familiar-shaped handle sticking up behind a stack of shoe boxes piled on a chair -- the handle was tan rather than red, but I knew what it was. (Strangely enough, I had never seen a tan Kirby before then.) I moved all the stuff aside to get to the machine and there it was -- a glistening, brand-new D50! It literally had to be brand-new since this was in the summer of 1965 -- when that model had just come out. The only reason I remember that it was that year specifically was because we moved from that area just a few months later in December 1965.


Anyway, all excited, I lugged that thing down two flights of stairs to show Mrs. Cundiff and my dad -- I was barely nine years old so of course this was a major thrill!! When she saw it, she said, "Oh, that thing. One of my husband's lodge brothers sold it to him and I hate it. It's so big and heavy I can't even use it! And it's so NOISY!"


Well, =I= sure didn't mind using it, and I cleaned her entire living room with it, and would have done her whole house if we had stayed long enough. I LOVED the magical glowing Kirby logo on the headlight housing! I just stood there staring at it as the machine ran!


And of course I had to go back up to that third-story treasure-closet and drag down the big box of attachments to make sure all her upholstery and bare floor around the carpeting was carefully cleaned! I even went over the piano keys on her beautiful old grand piano with the dusting brush! I wanted to use the floor polisher too but didn't have time to mess with it other than to just attach it and STARE at it! She had the Rug Renovator and Handi-Butler also [her husband's "Lodge Brother" must have been quite a slick salesman!], but I did not know what all that stuff was at the time, so I really wasn't interested in it.


As we were leaving, I dropped several broad hints about how WE had a "crummy old sweeper" and sure could use a new one -- but she neatly sidestepped the hints and didn't offer to let me take that beautiful Kirby home!


The next time I saw Mrs. Cundiff was several years later when we went back to that part of Virginia for a church reunion. I was itching to ask her about that Kirby -- finally I slyly asked, "Do you still have that tan Kirby that your husband bought you?" I was heartbroken when she said, "Oh, no, I never did like it so I gave it to my son and his wife when they got a new house." Darn!


Well, I am happy to say that I do now have a beautiful, mint D50 that got here in that condition -- brand new in the box! Another one of those serendipitous eBay finds that for whatever reason no one saw but me. Guess it had my name on it! And the seller packed it beautifully -- in a box big enough to hold a hot water heater -- you never saw such a fabulous packing job!


It really is gorgeous --- and whenever I see it, I always think of the heart-pounding excitement when I came across Mrs. Cundiff's third-floor treasure!



Charlie Lester crl@137.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 13:48:47 (MST)


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I agree that the high-end shops seem to do well. The big vac shop here is totally high-end. It is a matter of demographics. St. Charles is a high end income community. These guys sell all the high-end stuff - Miele, Sebo, Riccar. We asked them about rebuilt older machines. He donates or trashes the older machines so as not to compete with the new ones. He also sells the Miele line of appliances - ovens, dishwashers, etc. Cleaning supplies and central vacuums. Definitely some capital invested here. Yet I have yet to not see them make a sale when I am there. The last time I was in, he sold a Simplicity upright while I was buying Persil laundry detergent for my Maytag Neppie.


Yet they retain the small town vac shop charm and service. When Charlie Watrous was in town last (during a major snowstorm) he needed a belt for the Airway two-motor upright he had picked up from Tania (where do you get one of those?) The salesperson took the time to go through a bunch of belts (and they have plenty) to find the best fit which they did. I was in last and wanted bags for my new Powercast, but didn't know the specs. They didn't know either, but he checked it out and called me at home with the information. Of course, when I got home and looked, they are standard dirt devil bags. All this service for a package of bags and a belt. Not big $ sales. I also was having trouble with an Electrolux Central hose and brought it in. Actually there was nothing wrong with it except it needed some insulating on the wall inlet end (thanks Fred S!) They took it and checked it out, called me and said they couldn't find anything wrong and when I picked it up, they didn't charge me anything. Now perhaps you think that they shouldn't, but in my experience, most would.


I think that properly located and aimed right, there is money to be made in the retail vacuum business. Tom-perhaps you should consider a change of location.

Fred Nelson fnelson487@aol.com
St. Charles, Il USA - Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 07:37:30 (MST)


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I've encountered a similar situation with vac shops in my neck of the woods here in the Chicago burbs. I live in Roselle, one town south of Schaumburg, home of the Woodfield Mall and a good about of Corporate offices. The nearest vac shop is a good 15 miles away, in Villa Park. The nearest Hoover Service Center(and maybe the only one left in the greater Chicago area) is Melrose Park. For some around these parts, its probably easier to buy cheap crap and toss it, rather than trek it 15+ miles to get it fixed(Around here a 15 mile trip can take 30+ minutes with all the traffic) I see vacuums in the trash around here all the time, usually they are the cheapies, Dirt Devils, Eurekas, Bissell, Hoovers, and even a Dyson. I guess its too much effort to have it repaired.

Although every time I visit Mike Rogers his store is jumpin! The back room is usually crammed with repair machines, and he sells metal Royal uprights and the Empress canisters as fast as they come in. The premium vac business is not dying.

Something to think about money wise: Back in 1974 a NEW Kirby Omega cost $250, a Dial-A-matic powerdrive was $160. Today that new Kirby is $1500, what would that new Dial-A-Matic cost in today's dollars? Are today's Kirby and Hoover Wind Tunnel the same quality as their 1974 models?

Jeff Parker hoover1060@comcast.net
Roselle, IL USA - Friday, March 11, 2005 at 23:05:25 (MST)


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The Wal-Mart boom is, really, very sad. More and more, the mindset of Americans is, like has been said on this forum, "Why fix it, or buy something for over $100 when we can go to Wal-Mart...?"


At the Hoover Service Center that I work at, we do get a mixed bag of customers--some fed up with low end garbage, and others that like the fact that there is a company-owned service center that they can turn to if they have a problem.


Our best-selling units, I'd say would be the Self-Propelled Windtunnel (thanks to Consumer Reports), and the various $64.99-$79.99 models called the Tempo (really, just the bottom of the line Windtunnel, with the name Tempo on it), which really, are excellent values, in my opinion.


We do sell a bunch of SteamVacs (I don't like selling the V2 or Dual V models), and FloorMates, along with a good spattering of Windtunnel Canisters.


Right along with Simplicity and Rainbow being made in America are Kirby, Air-Way, Filter Queen (I think)... Eureka is still headquartered in the States, as is Beam (central vacs), and of course, Hoover. Steam Vacs and Commercial units (Elites/Convertibles/Conquests) are still coming off the assembly line in North Canton. A lot of Hoover's parts are made in El Paso, then sent over the boarder to Mexico for assembly (Windtunnels, etc.). I'm sure there are probably some manufacturers that I'm forgetting as well.


It bothers me when customers come into the store, and are adamant about purchasing a machine that was "Made in the USA..." but don't want to pay over $100. Americans are so obsessed about finding the lowest price, they forget that they are not helping this trend of shipping manufacturing overseas, to bring the price down so low...


....Sigh.

Fred Stachnik Derf82@aol.com
Glendale, WI USA - Friday, March 11, 2005 at 20:26:49 (MST)


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I guess the size of the town IS a key issue in terms of the success or failure of a vac shop.


Here in L.A., most of the vac shops can't find enough people to work in them because they are so busy - both with repairs as well as new sales. One of my friends who owns a vac shop (2nd generation, in business since 1946) moved into a new location a couple of years ago that's twice the size, with a double the number of employees, and he can't sell them fast enough (and I mean good machines - among others, Royal cleaners). And every time I go in there, there are so many rows of machines waiting to be repaired that I can hardly squeeze around them to get into the back room!


Granted, the Walmarts and K-Marts and all those other BLIGHTS on the shopping landscape have done their harm --- and far more deeply than just on the sales of vacuum cleaners; they are an absolutely decimation of the now-practically-extinct "small town shop" ethic.


In practically every case where the big, bad, cheesy "big warehouse" stores have come barging in [usually against the will of the townsfolk but at the urging of their political leaders who have been well paid off by the big stores], they have muscled out the local businesspeople who have, in many cases, been servicing their towns for GENERATIONS.


To say nothing of the fact that 99% of what these giant stores sell is crap made by child laborers in third-world countries who endure inconceivably harsh and squalid working conditions and make pennies a day for their work.


Think about that the next time y'all go to Walmart for a sale on tube socks (made in Malaysia) or a clock radio (assembled in India from parts made in Taiwan) or a set of picnic plasticware (made in El Salvador).


But even at that, even when there are people who are so cheap and money-foolish that they would rather spend $49 every couple of months on a crappy sweeper than to invest wisely in a good machine, there ARE still those who do understand the value of a good investment and do buy accordingly.


This is, of course in the middle of the two extremes -- e.g., between the people who foolishly buy $49 junk and the people who foolishly buy $2000+ machines that may not be junk PER SE but are hardly worth that kind of money.


Funny isn't it (or, actually, not at all funny but very sad), how often you see people living in near-slum conditions, but proudly sweeping up the squalor with a glistening-new Ultimate G that they've financed at 27% interest and will be paying 20 bucks a month on for the next three decades.......


Gee Tom, maybe you oughtta "load up your truck and move to Beverleeee.... Hills, that is -- swimmin' pools, movee starsss ......."



Charlie Lester crl@137.com
Los Angeles, CA - Friday, March 11, 2005 at 13:16:28 (MST)


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To Reggie:

There's 4000 people in our town. We get perhaps one person per day who doesn't want a Wal-Mart vacuum. I guess in Denver where there are several million people, you could in fact get 4 to 6 people like that per day.


A few years ago, in our little town, we too sold 4 or 5 machines a day. I see the Dirt Devils and Bissells just 'walk' out of Wally World every time I go there for groceries (because Wally World ran our other grocery store out of business, there's no where else to get food now).

Our gas station was run out of business by the Wal-Mart gas station, so there's just that one Wally World station now to get gas at. We had a Movie Gallery that did great business, but when Wally World built the SuperCenter, a Blockbuster was built right along side. Now, our Movie Gallery is out of business, so there's only Blockbuster.


Did you realize that there are only a handful of vacuum manufacturers left in the United States? Only Rainbow and Simplicity that I know of. All the rest are made in Mexico or China or Korea. Wally World carries NO vacuums made in the U.S. anymore, and there's only ONE vacuum in the entire Super Center that costs over $89. Our Super Center doesn't even carry the Windtunnel any longer. Just the EmPower at $119. That's the MOST EXPENSIVE vacuum at our Wal-Mart Super Center.


But there's 28 different vacuums UNDER $89 to choose from at Wal-Mart - the Best value being the Hoover Zephyr at $52.88 (made in China - Jeff Parker brought one to the last meeting). Why SHOULD anyone buy a vacuum from me? They could buy 4 Hoover Zephyr's for the price of one Carpet Pro or Fuller Brush upright. So, even if they threw away the Hoover every 4 years, that's 16 years of Hoovers (4 machines) for the price of ONE 'decent quality' vacuum. And the Hoover is actually a very good vacuum at removing dirt and has wonderful attachments. I can't beat it with anything available for me to sell. And at $52 new, how much could a used Hoover Zephyr sell for and who would buy a used vacuum anyway when new is so cheap?


I am thinking of going into the bank robbery business.


Perhaps I'm too honest with my customers. If someone's belt is broken, I charge them $3 and change their belt. My competitors charge $25 for a 'service' which is just a belt change and new bag, but they have to lie to the customer to get the $25. I'm not a good liar. I tell people the truth because I actually am in business to help the machines and keep the running.


Don't mean to be a downer. I'm still a relatively happy guy. And I still do a good business in Rainbow, Kirby and Electrolux repairs. Without lying to the customers. But I dread the day the door to door vacuums are no longer - and that day is coming fast. People are filing bankruptcy so easily, it's very hard to get a $2000 Rainbow financed (especially at 24% interest).


Oh well, I'm still looking forward to the meeting and seeing everyone.


On the bright side, I'm the ONLY Dyson service center in all of St. Louis. I'm planning on selling the repair parts for a king's ransom since no one else in St. Louis can get the parts (they are not available to anyone other than authorized Dyson service men). Sure, Dysons don't use belts, filters, or bags. But the switch will cost you $50. What are they going to do, not fix it? They paid $500 at Best Buy for it. Well, Best Buy can sell all they want, I'm the only one who can fix it.

tom gasko
USA - Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 20:57:10 (MST)


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WOW! The news about Wal-Mart vacuums is bad. It doesn't seem to be like that around Denver. We get a lot of people who come in not wanting to touch another Wal-Mart vacuum ever again. On a good day we sell about 4-6 vacuums. I have only had one person say that a $200 CarpetPro or Riccar 100 was a rip off compared to a $50 Wal-Mart POS. I think generally people who are sick of the lower quality vacuums generally go to sears and get Kenmores, or at least the people I know in that situation has.

Reggie Ridlen compactc9@yahoo.com
Parker, Co USA - Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 17:11:51 (MST)


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TO: Tom G.

RE: Cordwinder Springs


Thank you for the excellent information, I had wanted some advice before pulling things apart.


I wish you all the best with your vacuum business, I hope something works out for you.


David Lewis d@dwl.bz
Eastport, ME USA - Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 10:21:58 (MST)


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To David L.:

Have you tried winding the springs tighter before replacing them? If you take the cover off the cordwinder, you can wind the spring tighter than it is now, which will pull the cord into the reel much faster, without replacing the spring assembly. See, the spring is wound three (3) turns when the cord is all the way in (so the plug is still 'under tension'). As you pull the cord out, the spring winders tighter and tighter. However, through use, the spring (at the end of the cord) hardly has any 'pull' (tension). The thing to do is remove both large phillips screws, holding onto the plug. Again holding the plug, wind the 'reel' one more turn, which will tighten up the spring some more, and put tension back onto the cord. That means, in total, there will be FOUR turns on the spring with the plug pulled all the way back into the reel.


To Mogan F.:

It's really a sad state of affairs. Before 9/11, the price of a new Hoover Elite was about $89 at Wal-Mart. Hoover Windtunnels were $299. Dirt Devil Visions were $169. Today, the Visions are $79, Windtunnels $179, and Elite's are $52.


The worst part (for me) is showing a customer a good quality vacuum (like the Fuller Brush upright or the Simplicity upright), quoting the price ($229) and having the customer tell me "I can get a new vacuum at Wal-Mart for $50". They leave and I never see them again, except if they need a belt for the thing. People will change the belt once, but more than that, they just throw it away and buy another. There are VERY few people willing to spend more than about $70 on a new vacuum, unless they get a Dyson. I see Dysons walking out of Best Buy every time I go there. People who want a better vacuum than Wal-Mart sells no longer come to a vac shop, they go to Best Buy or Sears and get a Dyson.


I've decided that there's nothing else I can do other than go back to door to door Rainbow sales. My commission is almost $1000 on a new Rainbow. I HATE to con people into buying a $2100 vacuum JUST so I can make a living, but I'm going to be forced into it. People will always buy Rainbow, it's getting them financed that's the problem. Everyone (it seems) has destroyed their credit with easy bankruptcy and easy credit. I wish I didn't have to go back to door to door sales, but I can't survive running a vac shop all by itself anymore. Sometimes (not often) I'm close to tears over it. But hey, you do what you have to do to survive.


Hope to see you soon at one of the club's conventions. You are a heck of a nice guy and fun to talk to.

tom gasko
USA - Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 15:56:08 (MST)


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Electrolux - Springs for Cord Winders


In browsing the Forum Archives I find references to replacing the springs in cord winders.


I would like to replace the springs in the winders on my XXX and my LX. Where can new springs be purchased?


Thank you for your help, David Lewis - d@dwl.bz


David Lewis d@dwl.bz
Eastport, ME USA - Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 11:39:16 (MST)


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Tom,


I see and feel your pain everyday. I now work for a Credit Union that is located insided a Wal-Mart Super Center. Last Friday was an extremely busy day. However there was an hour that I was not in my teller window, during that hour there were 18 Bissell and Eureka Vacuum cleaners leaving the store. I went back and priced them. Both models less then 55.00.

The next morning however, there were already three of them back at the return desk...


It is scary watching the cheap line of appliances in general they carry that walk out the doors.. mixers for 6.97 Now how long will that last,,would not even be good for mashing potatoes



Morgan T. Frazer Frazermt@hotmail.com
Benton, WI USA - Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 08:45:17 (MST)


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To Marty R.:

I have an 86, I really like the shade of blue. The tools are the samze color as the cleaner handle. Rug/floor tool, dusting, upholstery, crevice, telescopic wand. My 86 was shown on the HGTV's show "Hey, Remember".


I think the reason so many thrift stores (and out here, flea markets too) is the fact that: people just don't shop for 'bargains' anymore. Everything is now so cheap at Wal-Mart. It's true, 6 years ago I could sell used Dirt Devils at the flea market for $40 (after cleaning and shining them up). Today, new Bissell PowerForce uprights are $37.88 at Wal-Mart. Why SHOULD anyone buy any common household item used? Dollar General, Big Lots, Value City all have stuff cheaper than flea markets.


And so you see - that's why I have to sell my collection on ebay to pay for my 'vacation' to L.A. for the convention. The vacuum business, quite honestly, is terrible. Can't sell used vacuums other than door to door brands (rainbow, kirby). Can't really sell new vacuums (see the Wal-Mart analogy) because they are so cheap at 'big box' stores and people don't want to spend bucks on a 'vacuum that just sucks'. They buy them cheap and throw them away. They don't need me anymore.


The ones that DO need me (Rainbow, Kirby, Lux customers) are fewer and further between. Ask Clay, or Jimmy, or Mark Turbyfill or Chuck. The vacuum business is no longer what it was before 9/11. God's honest truth.

I can't see myself in my little store in another 5 years. I'd be homeless and broke if I did.



tom g
USA - Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 22:08:09 (MST)


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To the Hoover Experts:


I just found a Hoover Constellation model 86, the blue version, in San Diego this past weekend. My question is to what attachments came with this cleaner? Full set or crevice tool and upholstery/brush tool? Also, what color was the carpet nozzle, white or blue?


It was a shock to find most of the old thrift stores closed up and out of business. I found this connie at the weekend swap meet amidst countless Dirt Devils, Hoover and Eureka plastic uprights.

Martin Rocha mdanielps@aol.com
Palm Springs, CA USA - Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 16:18:01 (MST)


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I have been planning on comming to the next convention cince the last one. the only reason that I wouldn't be ale t come would be if we have to do something with our new house like the closing.


since we have moved nto a apartment for about 4 months while the house gets finished, our new address for now is 18926 East Briargate Lane Parker, Co 80134. Apt 2B. We have the same phone number.

Reggie Ridlen compactc9@yahoo.com
Parker, Co USA - Tuesday, March 08, 2005 at 15:06:59 (MST)


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To Charlie Lester:

Well, I'm one step closer to coming to the L.A. Convention in June. I just listed some of my vacs on ebay - when they sell (if they sell) I'm buying my plane ticket. I'm looking forward to finally seeing your Electrolux collection, especially your beautiful model 11. What a treat. Can't wait for June.


tom gasko dysonman1@hotmail.com
USA - Saturday, March 05, 2005 at 13:35:15 (MST)


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Bruce:

I have to echo your comments. I too enjoy reading "our" forum, without all the wisecracks and smart mouth people. Our VCCC forum is exactly what it's supposed to be, a place for CLUB MEMEBERS to communicate with each other. There's no bickering, arguing, or trouble making. People ask questions and get answers. I too enjoy reading the forum and staying in contact with others this way. Hopefully, our forum will stay 'just for us'. Do we REALLY need to answer questions such as "what model Dirt Devil should I buy?". If we gave an honest answer ("Don't buy a Dirt Devil, get a Hoover 700 from 1926") people wouldn't think we were too intelligent, even though it actually IS the correct answer.


Hope to at least see you at the St. Louis meeting in 2006. Don't forget, we are restoring vintage cleaners at the St. Louis meeting, so bring one sweeper you want to restore and we'll make it look and run like new by the time the meeting's over.

tom g.
USA - Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 16:04:23 (MST)


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Hey everyone-


I've meant to post this for about a month, but have gotten terribly sidetracked with school...


As you may or may not know, Jeff Parker and I took a roadtrip to North Canton, OH over the New Year's weekend to visit Tom Anderson, his BEAUTIFUL collection, and pay a visit to the Hoover Historical Center.


I have added photos from our trip to my yahoo photo album (along with '04 convention pics, and some shots of my collection).


Take a look & enjoy!


photos.yahoo.com/retroderf







Fred Stachnik Derf82@aol.com
Glendale, WI United States - Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 23:48:01 (MST)


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The following email was sent to me today by Charlie Lester; it's with his permission that I'm posting it here for the benefit of any members who may be ebay users.


EBAY SPOOF WARNING -- a "Public Service Announcement"


The bad guys who send spoof emails (masquerading as official notices from financial institutions, eBay, PayPal, etc.) are getting more and more clever.


Today I got one announcing "Win the grand prize offered by eBay.com. This month, eBay offers a great promotion for members. All you need to do is to Click Here and enter this number 48nd3sak4wd in the key box."


This email also asks you to enter your username and password, so it is NOT legitimate. eBay stresses, over and over, that they will never send emails with links to web

pages asking you for this information. They always instruct you to go the ebay home page (www.eBay.com) and log in manually.


Knowing how easy it could be to be duped -- since I fell for a PayPal scam a couple of years ago -- I just want to send this warning around.


Again, this is NOT legitimate email from eBay! So if you get a similar message, don't be tempted! Just forward it to spoof@eBay.com and then delete it without opening it!!


P.S.: I hate those "chain" emails that urge, "Send to everyone in your address book!!" So I won't say that, but, perhaps, "Send to everyone in your address book who uses eBay!"



R. J. Vanik RVanik@aol.com
Bellevue, WA USA - Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 20:28:05 (MST)


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Charlie,

I think you have done a great job with this forum and web site. I don't post much because for one thing my words get hoisted on a few thousand people every weekend and so in other settings I say very little unless I really feel strongly about something and feel I have something worthwhile to say. I don't know as much about all these old sweepers as most others seem to; really I don't have as much time to devote to it. But I do enjoy the forum and have enjoyed the web page; it's one of the main ways I am able to stay connected to the club since I honestly can't get to the conventions very often. I do think the privacy and protection of the forum is very important. The old forum occasionally got into conversations that seemed quite inappropriate and I would always avoid it for a while when that would happen. This one may not be as active; but it is focused on what it's supposed to be...vintage vacuum cleaners. I hope it will be able to stay that way.


Bruce Cinquegrani rbc324@aol.com
Memphis, TNUSA - Monday, February 28, 2005 at 22:27:16 (MST)


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CORRECTION:


I mint to say Hate instead of have

Skip Aultman Skip4ula@aol.com
Lafayette, LA USA - Monday, February 28, 2005 at 16:44:19 (MST)


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Tania News:


I just wanted to let You all know Tania has decided to give the job a second chance,Tania decided to try again this week and is hoping all will work out as she says they are wonderful people to work for so she is giving it a second chance.


I really hope it all works out for her.


TO Charlie Lester:


I think you have done a wonderful job as webmaster with your limted means that you have to work with.


I don't think I would have the patience to do what you do as I know that it takes alot of time and effort to maintaine a web site.


Again I hope everything can and hopefully work out for all of us as I would have to see this club fold up as I haven't gone to any conventions as yet but do enjoy the members that I have been in conbtact with.


Also again Charlie I do agree with you that the forum should solely be for the paying members of the VCCC and not to the outsiders.



Skip...

Skip Aultman Skip4ula@aol.com
Lafayette, LaUSA - Monday, February 28, 2005 at 16:40:54 (MST)


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The hindsight afforded me by the passing of a couple days' time has led me to realize that my decision to so abruptly leave my post as Webmaster was hasty, irresponsible and ill-thought-out.


I look to the shining example of Ken Wagman who obviously is feeling the same level of frustration as I am; yet he made the more reasoned and gracious decision to give the Club some notice of his intention to step down as Membership Coordinator.


In that light, I would like to offer, belatedly, the same notice. I do realize it would not be fair or reasonable to just leave the Club in the lurch without a webmaster. Therefore, I offer my ongoing services in that capacity until after the June meeting when this matter can be discussed and other arrangements can be made.


This is not, however, meant in any way to diminish my extreme level of dismay, disappointment and heartache. Nor is it any indication of a lessened desire to turn this over to someone else. From the very day the site was launched, there has been a constant undercurrent of resentment and suspicion over the web site. And some very unkind remarks and suppositions have been made about my work, both directly and implied, and both to my face and behind my back.


There are those who have been against the idea of a web site from the very start; and there have been those who have been against the idea of a secure forum; and some of those people have made it their business to constantly harp and criticize and nay-say; and, the most unfairly of all, to blame ME for scaring people away from using the site and its resources. This is really so very ludicrous and really so very telling of those people's inability to see the situation rationally and fairly, and I really am at this point just not interested in carrying this burden any longer. As I said, I don't need the stress and heartache.


The Board members, and, similarly, the members-at-large, clearly have no conception of what a thankless and frustrating duty this has been. So little input or support yet so much criticism and resentment and bickering.


And, as was thoughtfully pointed out by others, no, I do NOT have a thick skin. I AM a sensitive person and AM extremely attuned to what certainly have seemed to be mean-spirited comments about my personality and motives, as well as unfair characterizations of my propensity to "tell it like it is." Along with, again, the ongoing resentment by some people, rather than appreciation, for the work that I have been doing on so many levels to make the club web site an inviting and safe place for members to meet.


Whatever happens is obviously the Club's decision but I will leave you with one more admonition to THINK THROUGH, VERY CAREFULLY, the idea of opening up the site to all-comers. There are already many online opportunities for people to chit-chat that are fully open, accessible and unmoderated. And the traffic to those sites is light as well; so I do not believe it is really reasonable to assert that the light traffic to our site is because people are afraid to participate &/or cannot navigtate the bewilderingly difficult pathway to get into it. Traffic is light because traffic is light.


Meanwhile, until I am directed otherwise by the Board, I will continue in my capacity as webmaster although in a much lower-key and less-hands-on capacity; lest the inaccurate and unkind impression be maintained that I am just some mean old egotistical ogre who is sitting here on his cyber-throne, lording over his little cyber-kingdom, snapping and snarling at all who would dare pass through these gates.


My intentions and motivations for establishing and moderating this site were - and are - in reality far removed from that scenario. So far removed, indeed, as to be completely diametric to this alleged intent. NOTHING could be FURTHER from the truth than this asinine supposition.


My wish to launch the site was the same wish that led me to build and maintain my own site: Appreciation of, and obsession for, vintage vacuum cleaners and a desire to share that passion with like-minded people.


Period.


That was the extent of it. No ego trips, no power trips, no control issues. Just a pure and unmitigated love for old sweepers. But other people's meanness, jealousy, suspicion and resentment have spoiled this adventure so fully as to have totally devoided it of all the joy it once embodied for me.


And I similarly do still hold to my stated intention to suspend my membership; and, by and large, for the very same reasons. The Club just isn't any fun anymore.


And I know, and the Board knows, that I am not alone in this sense of disappointment. Quite a few people are feeling the same thing. Unless some changes are made in the dynamics of leadership by the Board, on many levels -- including the very erratic and unpredictable publishing of the newsletter and keeping the membership better informed of club-related matters, issues and events -- then it's not going to be long before the Club is going to be no more than a bittersweet memory. Especially bittersweet for those who have been members for the long-haul.


Ever Onward And Upward,



Charlie Lester





Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Monday, February 28, 2005 at 10:57:51 (MST)


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Hey--


Anyone interested in a General Electric AVF-26 upright? It's got all or nearly all the tools in the box and the machine itself is in really nice shape. I can provide pictures if anyone's interested.


Thanks


Owen Perkins

Owen Perkins nativetexan19288@hotmail.com
Naperville, ILUSA - Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 23:54:21 (MST)


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I am hereby resigning as the VACCC.COM webmaster, effective immediately.


Relative to that resignation, I am also terminating my nearly 15-year membership in the club, also effective immediately.


I do not feel the need to go into the details of these decisions. Suffice it to be said that they are made after after much deliberation and with heavy heart.


Besides, I expect that all the lurid details will be passed around the grapevine anyway. Just do please keep in mind that whatever you may read or hear about this should probably be considered with a grain of salt. Grapevines have a way of twisting and turning, you know.


It's been real; it's been fun; but the time has come for me to move on.


Respectfully submitted,



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 23:11:26 (MST)


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Members,


Hi. I'm hoping somebody can help me with something. Three of us are planning a birthday surprise vacuum for a member that I am going to keep nameless--you know how word travels in vacuum world!


We need the following tools for a Kirby Dual Sanitronic 80: crevice tool, dusting brush, utility air nozzle, (upholstery tool), both straight and curved wands, complete hose and utility brush.


We are willing to buy these items from one or more people depending on what you may have available. I would like to find the most pristine since this is a gift. Member Chuck Chatham is already on the search at his store and I will be looking in the Charlotte area but since this will reach quite a few people we thought we would try here too.


About a year and 1/2 ago, Kirby stopped production of the attchments/tool for the older vacuums in the orginal colors. They are still available but in black plastic only. You can still get the correct colors for the Classic and newer. And I'm sure that is only for a matter of time. Also, ESSCO and HESCO no longer have them in their inventories.


Please email me if you think you have something that will help in our quest. Thanks in advance any my best to all.

Charlie W. todchaz@aol.com
Charlotte,USA - Saturday, February 26, 2005 at 09:08:16 (MST)


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Just a quick note to let everyone know thnat I talked to Tania and her new job isn't working out for her. The job itself is really stressing her out.


As always naturally after she was hired they started making some really awful demands that they never told her when she applied for the job.

Her last day will be on monday and then she is back to job hunting again.


Skip...

Skip Aultman Skip4ula@aol.com
Lafayette , LaUSA - Friday, February 25, 2005 at 18:44:14 (MST)


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I wanted to tell everyone about an attachment that's available to fit standard 1 1/4 inch wands (like Rexair, Electrolux, etc.). It's a power nozzle with a rechargeable battery that's just excellent for use on carpets. The battery lasts for about an hour and a half before needing a recharge (the charger comes with the attachment). The glory of this attachment is that we can actually use it on our old Electroluxes and Airways, Rexairs, Apex, Universal, etc. when we want to clean the carpets. I've always just 'looked' at my old model 12 Lux, because it cannot clean my modern plush carpet. With the new Wessel-Werks power head on the end of the wand, the old model 12 Lux actually picks up like a modern power head vacuum. The attachment costs $97 plus postage and can turn a very old vintage canister or tank cleaner into a viable vacuum for modern rugs.

tom g.
USA - Friday, February 25, 2005 at 17:45:53 (MST)


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Hello To All:


This is just a quick note to let You'll know Tania Voight has a job now. She starts tommorrow.


She asked that I pass the word to everyone about her new job especially the members that call her up on the phone.


She asked that anyone who calls her up that no body call her after 9:00 PM. As she has to get ready for work in the morning.


Happy Vacuuming Skip...

Skip Aultman skip4ula@aol.com
Lafayette, La.USA - Monday, February 21, 2005 at 17:54:03 (MST)


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To Charlie L.:

I've talked to quite a few club members in the past few days, all of whom are looking forward to attending the L.A. Convention. It sounds wonderful, being close to the airport means a lot. I hope the turnout is overwhelming. I know that this year's contest will be ONLY Pre-World-War-II vacuums - the very oldest machines in anyone's collections.


How nice that people getting off the planes with their Royal Standards and Hoover model 102s can easily get to the hotel.


While it doesn't look very promising right now as far as my own attendance at the meeting, I'm working on a plan to sell a large enough portion of my collection on eBay to be able to afford to close the store, buy and airplane ticket, pack myself and my oldest vacuums, and fly to L.A. for the convention. Others do it every year. Never say never, and if I'm able to be there, I will BY GOD. I'll need some help getting my vacuums down from the overhead storage on the plane, but how much room could six vacuums made before 1920 take? They'll hear the wheels of my 1910 Royal model 1, rolling all the way through the airport.


Having never been to California (and knowing L.A. only from the movies like "Boys in the Hood" and the evening news), I had no idea common things could cost so much. Please pardon my ignorance. Here in St. Louis, it's very much the opposite when it comes to hotels, meeting rooms, costs, etc. We have one airport. Our rooms (doubles) for next year will cost $69 a night. Shuttle from the airport. The elevator goes right to the meeting room (which the club can have free if 50 people register). It should be very cost effective for the club - especially now that R.J. has enlightened us about the sky-high costs of this year's convention area.


So if anyone sees a bunch of old sweepers on ebay belonging to me, buy them. They are for a good and worthy cause. I really do want to be at the convention, very very much.


I would dearly love to see your collection, as well as Marty's. To be able to run his Electrolux Hospital model G (in tan) would be excellent. And to run your model 11 Electrolux with it's original hose - more than words can describe. I'll probably never have the chance again with either machine. Wish me luck with eBay.

tom g.
USA - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 23:52:20 (MST)


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thanks RJ - when I get the email packet I'll draw up an announcement to put on the web site "Notices and News" page!


And I echo your thanks to those who did all the scouting and research. Thank God someone in this group is good at this kind of stuff ... I certainly am not! Although I do have to chuckle that we are ending up at LAX, which was where I had originally proposed ... and got rousingly vetoed! haha!!



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 19:31:23 (MST)


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CONVENTION ANNOUNCEMENT


Planning a convention event in the greater Los Angeles area is somewhat different than the conventions that our club has held in recent years. To begin with, unlike the Louisville or Milwaukee airport, or Chicago with it's two airports (O'Hare and Midway) the "greater Los Angeles area" has five, count'em, 5, airports which serve different parts of the area. There's Burbank, Ontario, LAX, Long Beach, Anaheim. And each airport has specific carriers which service it, so one factor was which airport would benefit the largest number of out-of towners, and which part of the city would be most suitable for the scheduled local activities.


There's also a cost factor to be considered. The astronomical cost of Southern California real estate where an older modest "starter" home can be well over $500,000 is reflected in the costs of all real estate, including and especially hotels. Finding a suitable facility would have been much easier if I thought our members were willing to pay an $80 to $100 registration fee and pay over $125.00 per night for rooms. That was not in my game plan. Every effort has been made to keep costs to a minimum.


From a compiled list of nearly 25 potential hotels that had sufficient meeting space and catering facilities, some were eliminated due to their locations, being too far from one of the five airports to make transportation easy for those arriving from out of town. Some were not available on the third weekend, as voted at the 2002 convention. Several more were eliminated due to the costs of guest and/or meeting rooms and/or food costs.


One facility was looking ideal from the location, prices and descriptions, until members Dave Olsen and Marty Rocha made an on-site visit. Dave described the hotel as looking "timeworn" with our meeting room at the bottom of a flight of stairs, with *no* elevator access (anyone remember Portland 2001 and carrying vacuums *up* a flight of stairs?)


The search continued and finally one facility had the best combination of availability, location, price, and features. When the contract arrived for signing, it contained some errors. The dates were one day off (Friday, Saturday, Sunday) and it had to be re-issued.


I do want to extend my special thanks to those members (you know who you are) who assisted with the hotel research; it was no small task.


Now that the corrected contract has been sent and signed, I'm pleased to announce that our 2005 Vacuum Cleaner Collector's Club Convention will be held at the Four Points Sheraton LAX. The hotel is near the Los Angeles International Airport, with a courtesy shuttle. A group email will be going out within the coming week, containing details of costs and reservation numbers. It will be followed by a special mailing with registration forms and additional details.


To those of you who will be absent from this year's convention, we will miss you. To those returning convention attendees, you know what a great time we always have and it will be great seeing all of you again! To new members and first time attendees, this may well be the highlight of your entire year!



R. J. Vanik RVanik@aol.com
Bellevue, WA USA - Friday, February 18, 2005 at 16:50:31 (MST)


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Sorry if my 'rant' upset anyone, I did not mean it to. I was just expressing a bit of frustration over the fact that it seems like there's a lot of "no-shows" -- along with ambiguity and foot-dragging over this year's meeting ....... yet people are already planning for 2006.


Tom, I do know that you have the same issue with weekends that I do and yet you have managed to make most of the meetings, and I have to hand it to you on that count.


Anyway, I do hope we have a great meeting this year and that it will be well attended, but at this point with no definite details forthcoming, no newsletter, so far getting only ONE out-of-towner's confirmation as to who's planning to come, well...


I was talking last night with another local member and he is also feeling a bit dubious about it.


C'mon kids, it's HOLLYWOOD for cryin' out loud! What more fun could you ask for ... floods, landslides, brush fires, earthquakes (our four seasons) ...


"But seriously folks," L.A. is a very fun place to visit, and even more fun to live here. Otherwise, I would have left a long, long time ago.



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 at 12:06:00 (MST)


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Hi Charlie L.:

I can certainly understand your situation. When I go to a convention, my store is closed for that time and I'm not getting paid either. Sometimes, those four days without income are very difficult to handle - especially now that walmart has vacuums for $40. I need every customer I can get .


Having planned and held several conventions, I have to say (for me) it's not that difficult planning a club meeting. Don't know why L.A. is being so difficult but I hope it all works out. Does anyone even know what hotel it's being held at? This is February - and the meeting's in June - is that enough time for everyone to make plans? Are the details coming soon?


I don't know what the reasons are for anyone else, but it just won't work out for me to fly to L.A. in June. In all these years, I've only missed one other meeting - Portland a few years ago.


The reason I started 'early' planning the St. Louis meeting is: I wanted to have everything in place (set in stone) for people to make plans. I wanted to be able to fill our convention days with fun and different activities from our 'regular' meeting schedule.


I'm going to be very sad the entire weekend of the convention this year. I hate missing a convention. If my store is closed, even for a few days 'vacation', I stand to lose at least a few customers to my competition, and I can't blame my competition for accepting my customers.


I hope the L.A. convention goes perfectly for everyone attending, and I'll miss seeing everyone very much. Especially you, dear Charlie, because even though we've known each other for years, I've only seen you at two conventions in the past.

tom g.
USA - Wednesday, February 16, 2005 at 06:17:35 (MST)


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I wasn't going to go off on a big 'thing' about this, but there has been quite a lot of behind the scenes discussion so I decided to just stick my neck out and say my piece.


Frankly it does bug me a bit -- and some other folks as well -- that we have all these people posting the news that they can't come to the meeting this year ... but are already making plans for the next one in 2006.


"So, what ARE we in Los Angeles -- chopped liver?!" I mean, it SEEEEEMS like some people are blowing off this meeting which, in and of itself is a "whatever" kind of deal, I mean, they can either come or not, but then to start going on about how they are already getting ready for 2006, well, somehow, yeah, we do feel a bit slighted I guess. Along with the fact that getting plans in place for this year's meeting seem to be slow in being made.


I hope people aren't holding against me the fact that I don't myself go to the conventions. It's not that I don't want to; in fact I am always very sad that I can't come, and read all the afterglow reports with quite a bit of wistfulness.


The problem is, for those who may not know, I am a church organist and am obligated to play on Sundays. It is VERY hard to find substitute organists, and even when I can find one, I have to basically pay them out of my own pocket since I do not get but a couple of Sundays off each year and I don't have any say as to which days those are. If I decide to take additional Sundays off, then I don't get paid - because they have to pay the sub.


So, on top of all the convention-related expenses, I am also out of pocket my income -- again, assuming I can even find a sub. I just wanted to make this known.


It does, again, seem kinda odd that many details for this year's convention are still up in the air -- almost in a state of limbo -- while, again, stuff is already being lined up for 2006. Not to mention that some people I had really hoped to see this year have already said that they are not coming.


Just wanted to get this off my chest so I can stop obsessing about it.............



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 at 12:13:36 (MST)


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Just a note that I have revamped and revised the "Links" page, deleting stale links and adding a couple new ones.


If any of y'all know of other suitable links for this page, lemme know!



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 23:10:10 (MST)


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First, glad that plans are already afoot for the 2006 Convention.


Relative to the 2005 convention, I was talking to Billy Lipman today (he wasn't mad!) and he was asking about what kinds of "touristy" things there are to do out here - maybe for family members, disinterested sigots, etc., who would rather gawk at Marilyn Monroe's footprints. So, here, just off the top of my head, is a short list of local or semi-local attractions that I rattled off for him. (Other "locals" who can add to this list please feel free.)


I. BEACHES


1. Santa Monica Beach and Pier, with a fairly new amusement park and original carousel from the 1920s.


2. The historic and still colorful Venice Beach and Pier.


3. Redondo and Hermosa Beaches - quaint and picturesque local beach communities with great sand and great views of the ocean.


II. HOLLYWOOD


(Most of these attractions are within walking distance of one another but you could kill an entire day in Hollywood if you are a die-hard movie buff, or a glutton for punishment!)


2. The Hollywood Wax Museum - hokey, but fun.


3. The Ripley's "Believe It Or Not" Museum - ditto.


4. The Guiness Book of World's Records Museum - ditto.


5. The Hollywood Walk of Fame - foot and handprints of the stars.


6. The Chinese Theatre - dates from the 1920s, one of the original lavish movie palaces.


7. The Egyptian and El Capitan Theatres - both beautifully restored.


8. The Kodak Plaza and Theatre - a very "touristy" area - but this is the theater where the Oscars are taped.


9. Sunset Strip - home of famous and infamous clubs such as the Whiskey A Go-Go, the Comedy Club, etc. Then on Melrose Ave. is the Improv where many comedians got their first big breaks.


III. DOWNTOWN L.A.


There are many cultural opportunities downtown - the new and glorious Disney Concert Hall, the Mark Taper Forum & Dorothy Chandler Pavilion for live theatre & opera; the new "Our Lady of the Angels" Catholic Cathedral -- the historic and recently renovated Public Library; the 1960s-futuristic Bonaventure Hotel (where interior shots of 2001: A Space Odyssey" were filmed), and lots more.


IV. NORTH HOLLYWOOD / SAN FERNANDO VALLEY


1. The Universal Studios Tour. Words can't describe it.


2. The Universal City Walk. Shopping, eating, gawking.


3. "Beautiful Downtown Burbank" - some of the studios out there may still have tours, I dunno. But you can at least drive by them! And Burbank is a lovely little town. Just a nice place to drive around in.


V. OTHER ATTRACTIONS NEAR HOLLYWOOD


1. Museums, museums, museums -- all of these are pretty much within walking distance:


The Petersen Automotive Museum

LACMA - Los Angeles County Museum of Art

MOCA - Museum of Contemporary Art

Folk Art Museum

George C. Page Museum - (the La Brea Tar Pits)

and.......

The Charlie Lester Vacuum Cleaner Museum!!


2. The Griffith Observatory - currently closed for renovation but I believe it will be reopened by then. STUNNING views of the City; an excellent planetarium and Laserium (sp?) light shows, fascinating science exhibits. Very educational for the kids--


VI. AMUSEMENT PARKS


1. Knotts Berry Farm and Disneyland - both in Anaheim (about 45 minutes south of L.A.)


2. Six Flags Magic Mountain (up in Valencia, about 45 min. north of L.A.)


VII. NIGHT LIFE

There are too many night clubs, bars, discos, dance clubs and cabarets to even begin listing. "Name your Poison" -- there's a club for it. Guaranteed!


VIII. RESTAURANTS

Ditto. Any kind of world cuisine you can imagine, from lowly Mickey-Dees to the most spectacular (and costly!) 5-star restaurants. I do have certain favorites which I will be happy to recommend if people are interested.


IX. MISCELLANEOUS

1. The Descanso Gardens - a huge, beautiful, serene garden in Arcadia (northeast of L.A.).

2. The L.A. County Arboretum in La CaÒada - another stunningly beautiful public garden also northeast of L.A.


X. THRIFT SHOPS

Now, here is the big let-down. L.A. was, once upon a time, an absolute mecca for thrift shopping. Now, most of the really great "dives" are gone, and the ones that remain seldom have any sweeper treasures. But we all do understand the "thrill of the chase," so Kyle Mathews is putting together a list of them for those who may wish to indulge.


Again, this IS just a short list. I didn't even mention the Museum of Science & Technology ... the Insect Museum ... The several historic and famous cemeteries and memorial parks ... There is SO MUCH to do out here -- the hardest part will be deciding WHAT to do!


Charlie Lester

Your Friendly

Los Angeles Goodwill Ambassador!



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 23:09:05 (MST)


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Tom,


It seems, by several sources, that many of the east coast people are not going to be able to attend the LA convention including myself. With that in mind, the 2006 convention in St. Louis seems to have great pre-planning going on and I salute that!! I have longed to see Stan Kahn's collection and it would be great to see yours again too. Your Hoover 700 series are too fabulous for words!!


The idea of doing of doing a clinic, (which was pooh-poohed in previous years by various members), would be a dream come true. I too, enjoy listening to the information you, Clay Floyd, Jimmy Martin, Mike Rogers and Chuck Chatam have shared and I have learned more that way than any other.


Like most collectors of anything, my interest waxes and wanes at diferent times. I am fortunate in that I now have what I have been seeking over the years.........yet this does not stop my interest or decrease my thirst for information on vacuums and their history.


Thanks to the generousity of so many members with their time, vacuums, parts, knowledge, patience, tolerance, kindness, willingness to help and so forth, we move forward as a group and as individuals and collectors.


Your continued time and input is appreciated by ME and MANY others. To all posters, thanks for being there, for us members and aiding us in our hobby. Tom, I look forward to seeing you in 2006 or in any "mini-meets" that should occur between now and then.


Best wishes to all.

Charlie W. todchaz@aol.com
Charlotte,USA - Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 20:57:12 (MST)


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To Charlie Lester:

There's a great picture of your Kingston in the "Stan Kann" Edition of our club newsletter from a few years ago. I will keep my eyes open for a hose for you. Speaking of Stan, PBS did a woderful show on Stan and his vacuums. It aired three weeks ago nationwide. Also, a camara crew filmed a documentary about him, which will debut in June of this year at the Fox Theater. At the St. Louis meeting, the club will get to see both films. Interest in Stan jumped with all the interviews Stan did after Johnny Carson died.


To Bruce and Morgan:


It won't be possible for me to attend the L.A. Convention either, and I'll miss seeing all my friends. But, for the 2006 meeting, I have a lot of NEW things planned.


Since Clay Floyd, Jimmy Martin, and I have a lot of expertise in restoring antique cleaners, we thought it would be a good idea to help others who don't have such knowledge. I just helped Stan Kann rewire his Singer R-1 since it wouldn't work on low speed. Now it does. I figured if each person brought one old vintage cleaner, we could all sit 'round table' and take them apart, wash, clean, polish, fix, etc. so that everyone could share in each other's abilities. I have a TON of old Hoover and Eureka and Electrolux parts, as well as many others, so even if someone's cleaner doesn't run, we'll fix that too.


Looking forward to seeing both of you in St. Louis in 2006. Fellow club member Andy Weter is soon moving to St. Louis also, so we'll have his collection to view also - besides mine, Stan's, and club member Rick Asquith's (who lives in St. Louis also). Andy (and some of his vintage cleaners) were featured on "Floor Care Professional" which is sent free to all vac shops each month. I've asked James Dyson to be our guest speaker for the awards banquet (he'll be in the U.S. in June 2006 for a new Dyson model lauch of DC15)



tom gasko
USA - Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 16:26:12 (MST)


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Tom,


A clinic would be a great! I am not going to be able to make the CA Convention but I am planning on the St. Louis convention. Vacuum shops are few and far between here in rural WI. The Wal-Marts have taken over and people just buy and throw away. It would be great to learn how to do simple repairs and cleanings. Things to listen for and look for when purchasing. Mabey it could be broken down into a canister and upright clinic. A great idea!!!



Morgan T. Frazer Frazermt@hotmail.com
Benton, WIUSA - Sunday, February 13, 2005 at 07:05:06 (MST)


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To Tom Gasko


I think the idea of a clinic to help members restore one of their machines is a supurb idea. I think it would bring some added creativity to the convention and offer members like myself who haven't the equipment or the expertise, some hands on knowledge and experience as well as having the chance to have one of our favorites restored. Thanks for the offer. I would look forward to it. I do hope I can come to the St. Louis convention since it is close to Memphis and I might be able to get away for the entire time.

take care

Bruce

bruce cinquegrani rbc324@aol.com
memphis, tnUSA - Saturday, February 12, 2005 at 21:03:42 (MST)


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I am wondering if anyone has a spare hose, or hose ends, for a Kingston tank cleaner, as well as any other attachments for it. I am not a Kingston authority but I understand the ends are the same for all the models and are also the same as the Saniway machines which the Kingston was later called.


The machine I have is, I am guessing, early 1960s - very "Jetsons" looking with great styling. It's a deep turquoise tank machine, about the same color as the G.E. Roll Easy. It has four funky clear wheels - like the kind of wheels on a tea cart, you know.


The one I found is in really nice condition and has the original hose which LOOKS great but is an older woven hose and leaks like a sieve. I also have the s-shaped wand and bare floor tool, but that's all.


Thx.......



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Friday, February 11, 2005 at 19:11:57 (MST)


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To Marty:

I was going to see if R.J. would want to do something a little different at the St. Louis meeting in 2006. I wondered if anyone wanted to bring ONE vintage vacuum that they wanted to restore (buff, clean up, fix, etc.) and we would have a 'restoration' clinic. I have so many old parts for the very old Hoovers, Eurekas, etc. that I think it might be neat to help people who do not have access to those types of things; clean up and restore a vintage cleaner. I help Stan Kann all the time with switch rewiring, etc.

And I thought other club members might appreciate the help too.


I LOVE VACUUM HISTORY. I never mind sharing it. I have an entire 'library' of literature, old service books, owners manuals, etc. that I read so often I sometimes memorize them. I know it's not normal (who among us really is?) but I enjoy it. I am always learning. As Frank Hoover said on the final pages of "The Fabulous Dustpan": "It's what you learn AFTER you know it all that really matters".


I would definately enjoy helping any club members with history of their particular machines. But, as you know, I'm VERY shy and have trouble speaking in front of groups. (ha ha ha). No really, it would be cool to talk about vacuum history, just so long as you stop me when you get bored.

tom gasko
USA - Thursday, February 10, 2005 at 09:13:50 (MST)


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Hi All,


I have done a bunch of work on the VCCC web site tonight:


-- Forum postings from December 2004 and January 2005 have been archived.


-- I have added several new features to the "MEMBERS ONLY" page"


- a wonderful audio-video clip of a Hoover Model O running, sent in by Fred Stachnik


- three scans of an article about the Spangler suction cleaner, sent in by Jason Davis


- newspaper article from the Chicago Daily Herald, sent in by Jeff Parker.


Thanks guys, for sending in all this "neat stuff!"


TO COME ... photos from Mark Tomey's Garage Clean-up, and other stuff ....... Stay tuned!!

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Wednesday, February 09, 2005 at 02:16:44 (MST)


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Tom,


I so enjoy listening to you that i'm going to suggest that YOU be a speaker at the convention! You are such a great historian when it comes to vacuums. We could do it a la Antique Road Show where some of us members will bring in their vacuum to you and you tell us about it ( history, etc. ) and then tell us if we have a true gem ( YES! ) or a piece of junk ( DOH! ) I think it would hilarious AND educational!!! It would be fun to do on the Saturday dinner night!

Martin Rocha mdanielps@aol.com
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 11:58:11 (MST)


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Hi Marty:

From what I understood from Health-Mor, the first two years of "Health-Mor" Inc. (1928 and 1929) they were the Chicago distributors from Scott and Fetzer Sanitation Systems (Hence the company name Health Mor Sanitation Systems Incorporated). The cleaners Health-Mor bought from Scott and Fetzer were indeed labeled Scott and Fetzer Sanitation System.


M. J. Callahan (Health-Mor's president) was very good friends with T. Russ Hill, who in 1928 became the Detroit branch manager for Air-Way Sanitary Systems. Air-Way was the first company to make use of the moth control crystals. Hill told Callahan about his successes selling 'sanitation' to customers using the moth control crystals as 'sanitizing' crystals. Some of the moth crystals would be sucked into the Air-Way bag to 'kill' germs (or so they told scared Housewives in 1929).


Health-Mor went to Royal to see about getting a machine private labeled for them that would utilize the moth control crystals. The "Health-Mor" was designed, and in April of the 1930, the "Health-Mor" was launched in Chicago. It featured a moth crystal dispenser built into the hose connection, was in reality a Royal Super, but since it featured a little 'bag' as well as a big 'bag', the little handle, the floor polisher pad, etc., it could be considered a complete System for Home Renovation.


Royal was so impressed with the "Health-Mor" they were building, that Royal came up with a model of the Royal Super called the "Purifyer", which featured a moth crystal dispenser built into the fan case. I brought one to the meeting in Louisville and it was on the CBS Sunday Morning news program. Customers of the "Purifyer" were instructed to allow the 'gas' from the air flowing over the moth crystals to 'disinfect' the dirt in the bag - which you could be sure of working since you could smell the strong chemical odor. Even the instructions told you that the 'crystals' would kill all bacteria and germ life within the cloth bag and send only 'sanitary' air back into the room. We know that's hogwash. But stupid housewives of the 1930's believed it. Until television told them the truth in the 1950's about 'germs'.


I would be happy to give you the extra Royal Super hose connector I have (it really is an extra) but of course, it won't dispense moth crystals into the fan, so you can't kills the germs and disease bacteria you vacuum into the Health-Mor bag. For that, you'd have to insert your own moth balls into the intake (a little double meaning there). Of course, I recommend you use the entire moth.

tom gasko
USA - Tuesday, February 08, 2005 at 11:17:46 (MST)


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Tom, The hose coupler shown on the owner's manual that i have is the combination moth crystal/hose coupler version. If you have a extra hose coupler ( Royal version) i would love to have it but only if it's an extra. I don't want to take your only one. i have this odd cloth hose that i can probably use on the coupler. Since i seem to have a Royal made Health Mor,i wonder why then it has the Kirby toggle switch. Maybe Royal was using up extra parts when they took over from Kirby in making the Health Mor? I'll bring it with me to LA so you can see it in person.

Martin Rocha mdanielps@aol.com
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Monday, February 07, 2005 at 17:44:47 (MST)


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I am adding something to my wish list. I really really want a Clarke 500. I am willing to pay up to $100 for one in good shape. For people who don't know what this is, it looks like a "puffed up" hoover convertible. It has a white metal base and a red plastic hood with a headlightin it. The bag has a red square pattern on it with a light gray clip on the top. The bumper and handle gripare also light gray. It weighs as much or more than a Hoover 913.


If anyone sees one, PLEASE PLEASE let me know.


Thank you,

Reggie

Reggie Ridlen compactc9@yahoo.com
Parker, Co USA - Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 22:05:18 (MST)


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To Marty:

A Health-Mor with a nozzle-removal lever that goes from 1:00 to 3:00 was made by Royal. It's a private labeled Royal Super. Scott and Fetzer always used a nozzle lock-lever on all their models, like the Kirby nozzle lock lever. If you need a suction coupling to attach the hose to your machine, a Royal Super (or Royal Standard) hose connector would work. Originally, Health-Mor used a combination of a moth crystal dispenser/suction coupler - but those are few and far between today. I believe, however, that I DO in fact have an extra hose connector from my Royal Purifyer, which of course, would work on the Health-Mor since they are both, in fact, Royal Supers. Let me know if you want (or need) the hose connector I have.

tom gasko
USA - Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 14:23:43 (MST)


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Dear Friends,


I HAD LIKED THE FORUM VERY MUCH AND AM LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING A MEMBER IN THIS CLUB.


THANKS,

MIKE

Mike Migliorino mike_m63@juno.com
Clifton, NJ USA - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 15:22:53 (MST)


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Dear Friends,


i HAD LIKED THE FORUM VERY MUCH AND AM LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING A MEMBER IN THIS CLUB.


THANKS,

MIKE

Mike Migliorino mike_m63@juno.com
Clifton, NJ USA - Friday, February 04, 2005 at 15:22:16 (MST)


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Tom and Marty, I guess I was having a "brain fart" about the switch on Marty's Health-Mor. I was thinking it was the type I described, with a sliding switch instead of a rocker switch. I know I have seen that sliding switch -somewhere- on a Health-Mor and since I have only seen two or three of them, I guess I assumed it was Marty's.



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 23:34:09 (MST)


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Tom and Charlie,


What Health Mor are you talking about? Mine? Charlie, the one that i have has the side mounted up down toggle switch like that of say a Kirby 510. The nameplate says: Health Mor sanitation system. No209487 Chicago,Ill.


The instruction manual that you sent to me via Kyle shows the rocker switch in the pictures. The front nozzle is removed by pulling a lever at the front of the machine from it's " 1 o'clock" position the the "3 o'clock" position.

Martin Rocha mdanielps@aol.com
Plam Springs, Ca USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 16:28:22 (MST)


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To Charlie L.:

My question, then, is HOW does the hose coupler fit onto the machine? It is like a Kirby or like a Royal? It was my understanding, after our club visited Health-Mor a few years ago, that the first two years of Health-Mor's existence, they were the Chicago distributor for Scott and Fetzer Sanitation Systems, and the name Health-Mor as used on the vacuum cleaner, wasn't until Royal private labeled it for them in April of 1930. I have both cleaners (a Scott and Fetzer and a Health-Mor) and while they DO very much look alike, even to the box, they are completely different machines. The only sliding switch I know of is the one used on Royal's private labeled Health-Mor.



tom gasko
USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 12:48:20 (MST)


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OK, IT'S OFFICIAL, FOLKS! THE YAHOO GROUP "VINTAGE VAC VILLAGE" IS UP AND RUNNING! SO PLEEEEEAAASSSSE CHECK IT OUT. IT'S NOT MUCH RIGHT NOW, BUT I HOPE THAT'LL CHANGE! SO "LET'S GIT-R-DONE!" HTTP://GROUPS.YAHOO.COM/GROUP/VINTAGEVACVILLAGE/

JASON DAVIS JOHNNYBRAVO5559@AOL.COM
DEWEY, OK USA - Thursday, February 03, 2005 at 01:10:00 (MST)


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Well, I found another eBay thief who refuses to remove a direct link to my web site even after I advised them not to use it ... so, check out their auction listing and see the link they have grabbed from my site ... revenge is sweet ... heh heh heh!!!


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&?ViewItem&item=4354796102



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, February 01, 2005 at 23:53:08 (MST)


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Following is another query to the vaccc.com web site. The lady did not state where she is located. Hope someone can "help her out." And "help themselves" !!


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I've inherited two 1950's era Hoover Convertible vacuums. Both still work very well. One needs a new zipper on the bag, but that's all.


I don't need these cleaners, but remembered your club from the news. Is there anyway for me to offer these cleaners to your members who may want them or are these so common that there would be no interest?


Thanks for your help. Let me know. I can provide photos.


Cathy Davidson


catharined@adelphia.net



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, February 01, 2005 at 17:27:12 (MST)


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To Tom G.,


Well this Health-Mor in question IS the early 1928 Scott/Fetzer model. It's the one that in fact looks nearly identical to the S&FSS even with the same switch assembly except that instead of an up-down toggle switch, there's a large nickel-plated sliding switch on the top of the switch housing. This machine is now very complete, even with the original instruction book and original large box which is the same size, shape and dimensions as the early Kirby & S/F boxes! All Marty is lacking for it is a hose & coupler.

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, February 01, 2005 at 11:25:30 (MST)


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To Charlie L.


The motor on the D.J. is very different than previous models. The commutator is very small and 'cheap', designed for a MUCH shorter life. It cost a lot less to make than previous motors, was louder (cheap, small bearings), and ran faster (hotter).


The Scott & Fetzer hose connector was very different from the Health-Mor upright. Health-Mor was really a Royal Super, private labeled. The S & F coupler resembled a kirby coupler. Interestingly, the first two years of Health-Mor (1928 and 1929), the cleaner WAS a Scott and Fetzer. It wasn't until 1930 (through 1939) that Royal built the Health-Mor. In 1928 and 1929, Health-Mor was simply a Scott and Fetzer distributor. They always wanted their own machine and eventually had enough sales to warrant a private label.

tom g.
USA - Tuesday, February 01, 2005 at 05:54:04 (MST)


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HI To All:

I called Tanya last nite with the inform about the vacs in her state. The guy called her back last nite. She went there today to see what he had.


She said truthfully it was mere junk no vacuum was complete at all. Most had missing cords on them or switches were missing.


She did say he had a kinda decent compact c6 but no attachments or hose, She said he had an airway Mark II kinda decent but the hose was all taped up and he wanted 50.00 for it but Yania said it isn't worth that.


Again some other collector might want to check it out but Tania wasn't interested after she saw what he had


Happy Vacuuming

Skip...

Skip Aultman Skip4ula@aol.com
Lafayette, La. USA - Monday, January 31, 2005 at 18:34:08 (MST)


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Martin Rocha wrote [excerpted],


== I used that hose on the DJ because it was longer and easier to use than the shorter fraying woven hose. ==

Right. I am sure I would like the machine better with a longer hose. It really amazes me that Electrolux was so penurious with the hose since it's such a key part of the machine. Surely people when using the machine would have noticed that the hose is so short (and the PN handle so long) that every time move the power nozzle the machine tugs along too. Very annoying. I guess it was the same thing from the Golden Jubilee until the Renaissance when they finally went to a vinyl hose. All those woven electric hoses were very short, and very heavy. And very frail. You hardly ever see one that isn't all frayed and bent at the two metal ends.


== The suction is much better with the vinyl hose because it does not leak like the woven one. It is loud but didn't Lux change the motor after the Silverado? ==

I am not really knowledgeable on the motors. Aesthetics etc. are more my interest. I do know that there were two different motors (at least) during the run of the Silverado because I have had two different machines and the motors were different in both of them, one being considerably shorter than the other and it had about a 2" "snout" that connected to the bag chamber. I don't know if one motor was more powerful than the other, or just different. I also believe the Tan G has a different motor, and I think a bit more powerful, than the turquoise Gs.


== Do you have a model L? The L has always been a favorite of mine. ==

Heh heh, I actually have four of them! They are MY "lollipops" --- white, turquoise, beige and gold. I like the Ls too; I have always like the Electrolux economy models, especially the Model E, and the very plain-jane but cute Thrift Model. I am so happy that I finally found a complete Thrift Model in nearly perfect condition!


== Oh BTW, Thank You for the Health Mor tools, I love them!!! Thank You! ==

Glad you like them. The box is really in fabulous shape isn't it. Very thick and stiff cardboard which has kept in good condition. The attachment kit is complete, at least according to the beauty shot in the instruction booklet (hope you found it in the packing material and didn't overlook it and throw it out!) --- except the hose which had gone missing. Maybe someone out there in VACCLand has a spare for you. Isn't the suction coupler for the early Health-Mor straight suction the same as the earl Scott & Fetzer Sanitation System coupler?

bla bla bla, Happy Monday everyone! :)

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Monday, January 31, 2005 at 10:53:31 (MST)


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Charlie L,

I feel your pain on that Lux DJ, I had an Ultralux LX that suffered the same problem, a very inflexible, unforgiving hose. I eventually bought a bojack hose with the gaspump style handle and it was much better. Overall I liked the canister, it was easy to use and the sidekick was great on stairs and furniture, but the p/n was too wimpy on the carpet.

I eventually sold it on ebay...

Jeff Parker hoover1060@comcast.net
Roselle, IL USA - Monday, January 31, 2005 at 09:49:10 (MST)


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Charlie, On that Diamond Jubilee, shortly after i bought it i found a vinyl electric Electrolux hose at a different thrift shop in a different town. I used that hose on the DJ because it was longer and easier to use than the shorter fraying woven hose. It was even the same color as the DJ, oyster grey. Some time later when i found my current daily driver, the Marquis, i used the newer hose with that vacuum because the hose on the Marquis was in the same condition as the DJ, short and fraying. I have the Marquis in the entry hall closet so you can see it the next time you are down. The suction is much better with the vinyl hose because it does not leak like the woven one. It is loud but didn't Lux change the motor after the Silverado? Do you have a model L? That's a real good daily driver because you can do the hard wood floors and the rugs and the dusting with the flip tools provided. The L has always been a favorite of mine.


Oh BTW, Thank You for the Health Mor tools, I love them!!! Thank You!


Oh now that i rememeber, there are some aftermarket electric vinyl hoses for Lux that are still short. I found one in the OC for Dave Olsen's 1205 and found that it was just as short as the woven hose. You think they would be longer.

Martin Rocha mdanielps@aol.com
Palm Springs, CA USA - Monday, January 31, 2005 at 01:20:45 (MST)


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Speaking of pot roast, the ABSOLUTELY BEST pot roast I have ever eaten was prepared by Club Treasurer Dave Olsen. Last year (or was it two years ago? yikes!!), he invited a group of us to his condo in Palm Springs for dinner. His pot roast just melted in your mouth and tasted SO good --- all the way down! I am just glad I had a chance to enjoy it before I got back on my "no red meat" regimen. He gave me the recipe and I made one but, as usual, it was nothing like the original chef's.



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Sunday, January 30, 2005 at 23:19:30 (MST)


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I mentioned in a recent post that I had finally gotten an Electrolux Diamond Jubilee 75th Anniversary Model. I had a chance today to "test drive" it for the first time other than just playing around with it.


All I can say is, if I had to use that thing on a regular basis, I'd surely grow to loathe it in short order. It's noisy and hard to maneuver around; the hose is so doggoned short that every time you move the power nozzle the machine tugs along because there is not enough play in the hose. Very irritating. And the hose and power nozzle setup is VERY heavy and tiring to use.


Plus, this is a practically brand-new machine. Hardly used at all. Yet, the electric connection at the hose handle for the power nozzle is already loose and the PN cuts on and off when you sweep back and forth. And the hose at both that end and the machine end is already coming unraveled.


You can say one thing -- Electrolux surely became masters at planned obsolescence --- those hoses hardly stand up to vigorous use and what is the replacement cost on them? Over a hundred bucks I believe. All they would have had to do to make the hoses more durable would have been to put soft plastic cuffs on each end, like the vinyl hoses have, taking the stress off the weaving at the ends, and the hoses would last a lot longer. But, then, that would have cut into their hose profits!! All the


"They sure don't make 'em like they used to." Or, of course, now, they don't make 'em AT ALL. Little wonder.


Are the aftermarket coiled-type vinyl hoses lighter in weight, and longer? If so, retrofitting with one would make it a much better machine but I still doubt I'd use it a lot. All it really has going for it is "fairly decent" suction but nothing to jump up and down about, really. And Gawd. So noisy!


My $99 Kenmore Magic Blue has significantly more suction, is significantly quieter, weighs significantly less, and is significantly easier to use! So I guess it will continue to be my "daily driver" for a while longer until I come across something that I like better.



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Sunday, January 30, 2005 at 20:19:56 (MST)


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Fred Nelson:

It was a pleasure to have you and Charlie over last weekend, and a good time was had by all, even Kevin and Mark!

I also really enjoyed dinner at your house on Saturday night(I still want to know how you cooked that roast so perfectly too!) and driving to your place on the snowy roads gave me a chance to get the feel of the new car on the snow...

Thanks again, it was an awesome weekend!

Jeff Parker hoover1060@comcast.net
Roselle, IL USA - Sunday, January 30, 2005 at 20:09:56 (MST)


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I am prone to agree that non-specifically vacuum cleaner collectors are now starting to pick up vintage vacuum cleaners - at least, on eBay.


I was keeping my eye on a Sweeper-Vac hand cleaner which I was kinda hoping to get since I have the exact, matching upright for it. But bidding crept up and up on it, past what I felt I could justify doing on it, and it closed at nearly $40.00.


Curious, I took a look at a few of the buyer's recent acquisitions on his/her feedback page and, sure enough, none of the first few items were vacuum cleaners. "What a world, what a world..."



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Sunday, January 30, 2005 at 20:09:33 (MST)


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The following email came to the club site. Any Wisconsinites wanna follow up on it? Fred Stachnick, why don't you and Tania go!


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Hi my name is John Mazzari i was into vacuum claeners when i was 9 all the way to the age of 13 i am not a collector eny more all though this is a great deal that i have for you collectors the entier collection for sale it consists of 37 vacuums and some great parts i know how the fix then so they all work the thing is some of them are missing parts the vacuums are almost all antiques all kinds 1920s to 1990s great condition i live in Grafton Wisconsin they are all in my attic i would be interested in mailing the vacuums or if you would like to come out to see them it would be great email johnmazzari172000@yahoo.com phone 262 375 3199 thank you John Mazzari



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Sunday, January 30, 2005 at 17:05:33 (MST)


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Just wanted to update everyone on the mini-meet in Chicago this last weekend. I would have written sooner but became obsessed with getting that 1963 KitchenAid dishwasher in my laundry room to work. It has been an on-going saga of epic proportions for a year, but I am happy to report that after much dissembly and rework (converted from a pump model to a gravity drain due to the idiots who disinstalled it and through the screws into the sump which sheared the drain impeller) it is totally fixed and ready for its maiden run.


Charlie Watrous came in from Charlotte to Milwaukee first on Thursday, visited with Tania, Fred S. and friends before coming down to Chicago on Saturday. We had invited Terry Lattz who, unfortunately, couldn't join us because he was off to Florida, poor thing. What a trouper Charlie was!! This Southern boy had to drive through a major snowstorm (we have had 30" in January). As he put it "A Southern boy's worst nightmare!" Charlie picked up an Airway Scout two-motor machine, a long-time dream of his. Tania, in her usual kind and generous way saw to it that he finally got it. Charlie came down and we celebrated his birthday (29!) along with Fred Stachnick, Jeff Parker and myself. I cooked dinner and we had a fire, old movies and vacuum time. Too bad the KitchenAid Imperial wasn't working, but the KDS-17 held its own. We opened a Royal 231 that I had gotten, along with a Eureka Vibra-Beat. Another beast!


We went over to Jeff's on Sunday who graciously cooked dinner for us and some friends. One of the friends had never seen a group of vacuum nuts before and it was fun watching his expressions as we discussed various models and pulled up some of Jeff's Hoovers from the showroom and ran them through their paces. Thanks for a great time and good dinner Jeff.


Well off to load the KitchenAid Imperial for its maiden run. I picked up an original KD-12 (KitchenAid's second model) which will be restored and sent to Charlotte for installation in the Watrous kitchen. Todd sure is a good sport.


Fred

Fred Nelson fnelson487@aol.com
St. Charles, Il USA - Sunday, January 30, 2005 at 11:24:55 (MST)


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Charlie & Tom:

What can be done to discourage this? As I see it nothing really, it's a free country. Removing this person from the club would do no good, they already have our email addresses...

The best thing to do is just delete the emails without reading them, and leave this person to themselves. They'll get the message soon enough that nobody in the club is interested, and so the email will stop too.

Charlie:

With regard to the purchaser of the Kirby hand vacuum, I believe that to be a "new" collector, as they are buying stuff with reckless abandon on ebay. They also have little or no feedback. There are more than a few of these people on ebay, buying up anything and everything that might be "rare" or "collectible" just because someone says it is, thereby giving them an "instant" collection.

As you said, a sucker is born every minute...

Jeff Parker hoover1060@comcast.net
Roselle, IL USA - Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 22:27:50 (MST)


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To Jason Davis,


Re a name for your new Yahoo Forum, How about something like "Jason's Vac Corner, or "Jason's Vacville" or "Jason's Vacuums" ... and use a photo of your JASON vacuum cleaner as the opening photo!



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 18:20:29 (MST)


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I too agree that it's grossly inappropriate to use the club membership list for SPAMMING. Especially when, as it has been pointed out, the seller is misrepresenting, either naively or deliberately, what he is selling.


The fact that the Kirby Utility Vac went for -- what was it, a thousand bucks?! -- doesn't help in terms of dissuading people from the belief that these machines are THAT rare and priceless. I don't know who the high bidder was or whether or not they are a Club member; and I don't begrudge them the right to spend that kind of money if they are "fortunate" enough to have it.


But there IS a "bigger picture" downside in terms of the "trickle-down" effect. I wonder how many people out there with their crappy old cootie-infested sweepers see these auctions and start seeing BIG dollar signs dancing before their eyes.


This is, for me, a double-edged sword in a way I guess, inasmuch as I have done pretty well with some of the machines that I have sold. But the ones that did do well were either in practically mint condition, or were complete with every possible accessory and piece of printed material, or really ARE rare.


But even in those cases, the bidding, while "vigorous," did not go to the extreme of some of the recent examples of the Kirby Utility and the Westinghouse Mobile-Aire (sp?) etc. This kind of outrageous bidding does no one any favors -- certainly not collectors, anyway -- except the person selling the machines.



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 18:14:43 (MST)


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To Jeff Parker:

I agree with you completely. The use of our private club roster to obtain the email addresses of all club members with email - and then to send an unsolicited email begging for people to look at his ebay auctions, was completely inappropriate. The fact that this person IS a club member makes it the WORST (to me) type of offense.


How long do we (the club membership) have to put up with this type of thing? I believe this person should NOT be allowed to continue using his club affiliation to promote overpriced and misrepresented items the seller has for sale on eBay.


I hope our new Club President and Board of Directors is 'on the case' - as I was highly offended by the three emails from this seller promoting his items.

tom gasko
USA - Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 14:11:02 (MST)


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Greetings. I'm new to the club(well, joined a few weeks ago), and I thought since the "Vintage Vacuum Dust Collectors Yahoo group was just a hair away from being totally full(29.99 of 30MB used up), I thought I would create a new group that everyone could post on and share vac pix. I just can't think of a good name! Please help me out! Please post or e-mail your suggestions to me!

Jason Davis Johnnybravo5559@aol.com
Dewey, OK USA - Friday, January 28, 2005 at 17:15:44 (MST)


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A couple of thoughts on the seller with the Compact and the Premier:

1 - I reported them to ebay this morning mainly because they used my work email to hawk their stuff. Corporate hierarchy does NOT look too kindly on that kind of stuff.


2 - I'm amused by their item descriptions. They were either written by someone just off the boat, or by a 5 year old. C'mon now, you can string a sentence together better than that!


3 - Emailing club members about stuff you're selling in ebay is in my opinion completely inappropriate. This needs to be nipped in the bud. I responded to the email I got this morning, but I don't think thats gonna make it stop.


Just my 2 cents worth...

Jeff Parker hoover1060@comcast.net
Roselle, IL USA - Friday, January 28, 2005 at 09:41:44 (MST)


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To Charlie Lester:

Re: the Kirby Hand Vac,


The WORST part is that the seller is a club member, apparently trying to make a 'killing' off of us.


In the first place, Scott and Fetzer made that hand vac for a number of years. I had the Vacuette Electric Junior (the one I sold to Mike Pletcher), made in 1925. This SAME hand cleaner was also called the Scott & Fetzer Junior Sanitation System (1928 - 1935) as well as the Kirby Junior (1935 - 1941). The machine was made for a number of years (17 to be exact) and while it isn't something we see often, it's certainly not 'rare' nor a prototype. In fact, Richard Klein reprinted the magazine ad for the machine a few years ago when he did the newsletter.


It seems a good number of these hand held cleaners were sold in the St. Louis area since I've had two in the past ten years.


This morning, I was greeted with two emails (as I believe ALL club members were who have email addresses) from this same seller (and club member) extolling a 'brand new' Compact vacuum as well a Premier hand held cleaner.


I was offended by several things about these emails, the first being that this 'seller' has used our private club 'roster' to obtain email addresses for members.


The second offense (to me) came from the descriptions on ebay of the machines themselves: the Compact's description states that the buyer of the Compact would 'surely win a blue ribbon' with the cleaner.


As club members who have attended a convention know: unused cleaners found 'new' in a box do NOT win blue ribbons for 'originality'. How do I know? I've been a judge for many years at our conventions. Judges LOOK for signs that the machines were USED by their owners, who took exceptional care of the machines WHILE using them.


Again, I caution club members not to become cauqht up in the 'moment' when presented with unfamiliar - but seemingly valueable - machines in an unsolicited email or in glowing descriptions from unfamiliar sellers.


It was exactly THIS kind of thing happening to vulnerable club members that caused our original club founders to ban vac shop owners as well as vacuum cleaner salesmen from the club for the first few years.



tom gasko
USA - Friday, January 28, 2005 at 06:03:45 (MST)


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I finally bought a Dyson Animal today!!! We have a new 12 pound Great Dane puppy in the house, Apollo is his name, and thought it was bout time i got a dyson! I love it!!! My big problem when our previous dog Monroe was alive was that all my vacuums smelled like dog hair when i vacuumed.


Though i prefer bagged vacuums i tried the Hoover fold away ( gave away! ), and still have the Eureka Ultra Whirlwind which still smells like dog when we vacuum. What i like about the dyson is that it doesn't smell when i vacuum.


So far i have used the floor tool and the turbine tool on the sofas. I'm still putting it though the usual cleaning jobs but so far i love it.


Can't wait to take it to my folks house and to my Gram's house. I think my Gram will like it too! Lavender is her favorite color!

Martin Rocha mdanielps@aol.com
Palm Springs, CA USA - Wednesday, January 26, 2005 at 19:08:31 (MST)


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Yes, we had fun last week in Palm Springs -- Marty Rocha, Rich Maher, Scott Onasch, Victor Lee, and myself. I was there to get away from Los Angeles for a couple of days, and it just so happened that Scott was in town visiting Rich Maher so they came out and met up with us on Saturday.


Then, this past weekend a bunch of us gathered at Mark Tomey's storage unit to help him clean up and thin out his sweeper odds and ends. Let's see - there was Mark and his friend Dan, then Kyle Mathews, Scott Onasch, Rich Maher and a non-sweeper-collector friend of his, and Marty Rocha. We all came away with carloads full of treasures, and had a great time helping Mark "lighten his load."


I do have photos from both events to post, it's just a matter of finding time to sit down and size/crop them then upload them.


Finally, a "Stay Tuned" notice ... I have a special submission from Fred Stachnick that I will post as soon as I can -- you're all gonna LOVE it!!


Chz,

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Wednesday, January 26, 2005 at 00:01:45 (MST)


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Howdy all! I had a great surprise yesterday from my friends Marty Rocha and charlie lester. They gave me a great original kirby bag and door for my dual 80 that I had been trying for months to find! That, and a great electrolux buffer attachment and some minor parts. Now if I can just find a nice big room to start displaying all my toys in!! Thanks again guys! Victor

Victor Lee VLeeTX@aol.com
Palm springs, CA USA - Tuesday, January 25, 2005 at 21:59:18 (MST)


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Thrifting today found several packs of Sunbeam bags for the little round hatbox cleaner so if any of u guys need some let me know

Ron

ron d jones roadmaster39@hotmail.com
USA - Tuesday, January 25, 2005 at 21:20:03 (MST)


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"Coincidentally," there is a Kirby Utility Vac right now on eBay and the bidding is up to $800.00.


In the description the seller states, in pertinent part, "Only 2 Of This Kirby Hand Vacuum Machine Were Ever Made. The Hand Vacuum Was Proto Type.... This Is 70 Years Old Is So Rarest.... If Bidder Win This Piece They Will Become Famous To Own One."


First of all, I am curious - is the seller mistaken, or were there indeed only two of these made? If so, then I guess Michael Pletcher must have the other one.


And was it also indeed a prototype?


This is where I think we as a club -- if individuals are not willing to (or should not) do so -- should contact people listing machines that have [what I assume are] blatant errors or perhaps even outright misrepresentations in their listings.


I mean, other than being in the club and being privy to some of the "off-line" discussions about this type of Kirby in particular, how would anyone know that these statements are inaccurate? "There's a sucker born every minute" sort of thing.


There are a lot of young and experienced people in our Club who may not know a great deal about early machines. (*) Perhaps, indeed, that is the basis for the "fairly" high bidding on the Kirby Utility Cleaner.


In cases such as this there might even be some basis for contacting eBay when we see such erroneous descriptions of old sweepers. I'm sure when people spot bogus listings for brand-name rip-offs, misrepresented antiques, etc., someone or some group takes it upon themselves to inform eBay.


Regarding the seller's last comment, the owner of this "rare fine piece" might not become famous but, rather, INFAMOUS.......!


(*) When I first met John Lucia, we laughed together over the thought that the time would come when a "next generation" of collectors would be drooling over Hoover Dial-A-Matics ---- considering them to be vintage collectibles ... and now, barely 15 years later, here we are...!!


The point being, if collectors consider machines from the 60s and 70s to be "Vintage," then machines from the 1930s and '40s must seem absolutely prehistoric! And what of the earliest ones from the 19-teens and 1920s? Stuff from the Stone Age, to be sure!!



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, January 25, 2005 at 13:47:09 (MST)


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Morgan:

Clay Floyd and I made an informal policy years ago at one of the club meetings, that he and I would always be willing to help other club members who had questions, needed advice, or needed actual products (we have stated to everyone that anytime you want to buy a cleaner, we would sell club members vacuums or parts at our wholesale cost).


I know that many club members are not privy to insider wholesale information, nor have access to new parts or machines. Since Clay and I do, we felt it would be in the best interest of our fellow club members to make this kind of thing available. We do not need to make profit from our friends, and Clay and I consider our fellow club members to also be friends. There are not that many people in the world who like old vacuum cleaners - we all need to stick together.


There are other people in the club who also have access to this kind of thing (Chuck Chatham, Jimmy Martin, and several others) and they too have stated they would he happy to help anyone who asks.

tom gasko
USA - Tuesday, January 25, 2005 at 09:25:03 (MST)


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Tom,


Thanks for the good advice. Most of us who are not Vac Shop owners don't have the knowledge that most of you have. And depending on the area in which you live may also depend on the brands of vacuums you see. Such as Bison. They were never sold in this area, or at least not to my knowledge.

I have relied on people such as your self, Chuck Chattum and Clay Floyd for such advice.


Morgan


Morgan T. Frazer Frazermt@hotmail.com
Benton, WI USA - Saturday, January 22, 2005 at 20:04:23 (MST)


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Hello All:

I recently received an email, that was also addressed to most of the club members, begging someone in the club to purchase a Kirby junior hand cleaner. It was advertised as being extremely rare, and collectible. I want to caution everyone that this machine, while certainly not something seen everyday, is NOT as rare and 'valueable' as the seller would have you believe. I sold one to Mike pletcher a few years ago for $50, and it was ten years older than the model offered for sale. I believe the seller of this item is using the fact that not everyone in the club actually knows what is 'rare' and 'not rare' to try and make a huge dollar amount on the sale of this machine. Prices on eBay for old vacs have gone insane recently, and I would hate for my fellow club members to be taken advantage of by a dishonest seller.


Interestingly, in our Original Club Charter, Bob Taber and John Lucia (our club founders) did NOT want vac shop owners or people in the vac business to be members of the VCCC due to 'gouging' of club members over prices of antiques. It seems this distasteful trend of 'raping' people of antique cleaner prices is rearing its ugly head once again. Please use caution and discretion when dealing with 'very rare' vacuums offered by sellers you do not know, in an email you did not ask to receive.

tom gasko dysonman1@hotmail.com
USA - Saturday, January 22, 2005 at 11:00:49 (MST)


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Hello, the following query came to the club site's email. Any Filter Queen experts out there wanna contact him?


Thx



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DavidCBray@aol.com


Hello. I ran across your web site using google. My wife is very fond of Filter Queens (she has an old one). However, it's our understanding that the newer models aren't as good as some of the older ones. It's hard to find the history of previous models. Is there any expert in your club who would be willing to venture an opinion about the models of the past and which were good and which were great? I think the Princess was one of the less powerful ones compared to others.)


Thanks and regards,


David Bray


P. S. Am changing to dbray48@yahoo.com after January 28.


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Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Friday, January 21, 2005 at 21:52:13 (MST)


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I'm kinda surprised to hear that Louis only has "six pages" of materials for the newsletter. Over the past few months I have submitted several articles that have not appeared in any issue. And I have told him I can always write more if he needs it, and/or he is certainly welcome to use any of the pages on my web site as the basis for an article.



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Friday, January 21, 2005 at 18:02:20 (MST)


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IMPORTANT UPDATE

I acknowledge that information has been slow in coming, and I accept responsibility for my part in that. Being new to this office, it's partially due to learning as I go. I was also informed last week by our newsletter editor that his computer had been out of service for approximately two months, but is now in working order. I should have been aware of this sooner. It may not have led to earlier publication, but I could have kept the members informed of the status. Our editor will be putting a "rush" on the next issue to have it out as soon as possible.

Securing a suitable convention location has also been a challenge due to facility availabilities and costs, though it is nearly complete. Dave Olsen and Marty Rocha are making an on-site visit to the desired location today and pending their feedback we should have confirmation within the next 48 hours. Additional information will be forthcoming once the facility is confirmed. The selected facility is in Burbank and the date is the third weekend in June as voted at the 2002 (Louisville) convention. That would make the dates June 16, 17, and 18, 2005.

Future convention dates are an issue that will be re-visited during the general meeting, due to the fact that Father's Day (which sometimes falls on the third weekend) presents a conflict for some members.

I have also been in contact with some of our (California) convention area members regarding tours of their personal collections and am excited at the assurance of their participation and sharing their diverse and historic collections with the group.

I appreciate the group's patience and will be more dilligent about keeping you posted with information in the future.


R. J. Vanik RVanik@aol.com
Bellevue , WA - Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 07:32:59 (MST)


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Just read your post to the forum. THANK YOU THANK YOU, for those words of truth.


I have talked with Louis several times about the newletter. He doesn't even have the presidents letter or enough to make I beleive he said six pages.


We seem to be going no where fast. Dave Olsen did send out a note for late payment of dues. However, that will tend just to piss more people off.


I don't have your nack for writing, but I hope something happens soon before this club disolves. Lets find a way to restoke the fire....


Morgan

Morgan T. Frazer Frazermt@hotmail.com
Benton, WI USA - Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 06:09:16 (MST)


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Thank you Charlie for saying what so many of us are feeling. You have brought it out and said it so well.

Terry Lattz vg703@sbcglobal.net
Danville, Il USA - Wednesday, January 19, 2005 at 18:39:16 (MST)


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Well, ello ello! I'm finally a new, or should I say "born again" member(been absent from the club 9 years until now) I have just added some of my vac photos to the Yahoo Clubs "Vintage Vacuum Dust Collectors" page. I took up as little space as possible. Go check 'em out! Please let me know, so I won't feel left out. I don't have a whole lotta machines. I probably only have like, maybe 65 or so. I think 3/4 of them are 50 years old or older.

Jason Davis Johnnybravo5559@aol.com
Dewey, OK USA - Wednesday, January 19, 2005 at 03:19:08 (MST)


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Refer to paragraph 5 of my last post..........correction:


But that did NOT stop the onslaught of attacks..........blah, blah, blah.

Charlie W. todchaz@aol.com
Charlotte, USA - Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 22:07:35 (MST)


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Dear Member and Friends,


Although no longer a Board Member, (or President), I received an email that concerned me from a Board Member that went to the current Administration. Cummication seems to be an issue so I wanted to share my reply with you:


"Dear Men:

I find it most interesting that during my tenure, a past President said something to the effect, on our forum, that there will be some kind of refund of dues, due to the fact that there were only three newsletters that year and NOT the four that are promisted. Well, there were only three and there were no refunds.

It has been brought to my attention, many times now, that there is a lack of communication to the membership from the current administration. It seems there is confusion as to when the convention is, where it is to be and what is going to happen. This is causing our members to make plans NOT to attend as they want convention agendas in a timely matter.

It was stated by a board member that typically this time of year nothing is going on so that is why there is no news. Does that mean that there should not be a last issue of the newsletter? Does that mean the current administration should not send ANY kind of email communique' to those member with email? By my records, 2/3rds of the membership has email capacity.

One of the biggest problems/issues with this club has been the communication or lack thereof. My goal was to change that but it seems we are back to where we were prior to my administration. What am I, ar any board member member, or any member for that matter to tell inquiring members? What is our direction, goal and vision for 2005?

In addition to the nit-picking I experienced over the lack of a fourth newsletter for one year, there was the brouhaha over a certain cover of a newsletter I produced. Criticism aside, it did evoke reponses and let me know there was a membership out there, (albeit, NO ONE voluntraily took over the newsletter editon position until Louis kindly volunteered). But that did stop the onslaught of attacks on my "gay vacuum cleaner club/boozing club agenda."

So, it seems the administration of 2005 has some tasks they better attend to rapidly before the club implodes and there is not enough money to produce a newsletter(s), let alone put on a convention. It is my/our hope that you don't wait too long.

Best Wishes,

former president and board member,

Charlie Watrous"




Charlie Watrous todchaz@aol.com
Charlotte, USA - Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 22:03:32 (MST)


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Hi all,


I had a fun weekend in Palm Springs visiting with Marty Rocha and new member Victor Lee; as well as Rich Maher who came out from Santa Ana (Ca) AND Scott Onasch who was here from Minneapolis. "A Good Time Was Had By All."


Guys, yew-awl oughtta see Victor's collection of pristine, fabulously, meticulously restored Electroluxes! He's an absolute virtuoso at vacuum cleaner repair and restoration. Victor also installed new headlight lenses on my van that I had gotten, thinking installing them would be a snap. "WRONG" --- it would not have been a snap for ME anyway, but it sure was for Victor! Despite the fact that it was cold as heck (well, for Palm Springs anyway!) and late at night! Marty and I went over to Victor's around 10 p.m. AFTER he had put in a long and hard day at work. Vic, you're the BEST!!!!


Also had fun seeing Marty's beautiful collection again -- one of these trips I am gonna come back with his Electrolux CA commercial canister!! -- and just had a nice weekend relaxing and bubbling in the spa where I stayed. I took lots of photos and will load them up in the members page one of these days.


We did a limited bit of thrift shopping and I did find one "mini-treasure" -- a small carton containing two full boxes of Electrolux canister bags, a brand-new in-the-box never-used Sidekick, and a Silverado crevice tool! I did not see the little box sitting by a stairway in the thrift shop at first -- did not notice it in fact until I almost tripped over it!!


I also came back with an Electrolux I've wanted for my collection for some time -- the 75th Anniversary Diamond Jubilee. It's the only later (post 1974) Electrolux I felt I needed to add to my collection of "The First 50 Years of American Electrolux" - owing to its "historical" significance. It's in beautiful, all-original condition. A SuperJ also somehow found its way in my van --- thanks Victor!


I also need to get around to posting some pix of another significant addition to my site -- a very, very early Electrolux Model V ----- the earliest version with the removeable runners ... and it's from Sweden!! Truly the earliest of early Model Vs! Now all I need to find is a Lux I .......!!


Hope everyone is doing well. Any word btw on when the next newsletter will be out? It seems it's been quite a while since the last one.



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 00:59:18 (MST)


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If anyone is interested I found a sight on the internet call AllBags.com. I ordered bags for my Shetland on line. They seem to have some of the older models out there. Will tell you more when I receive them.


Morgan

Morgan T. Frazer Frazermt@hotmail.com
Benton, WI USA - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 19:03:49 (MST)


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Something I found interesting and wanted to share with the Forum:


In the latest edition of Heartland America, (a national catalog and internet company, www.heartlandamerica.com), they have several vacuums at incredibly low prices. Note that all are: "Factory serviced to meet original standards. May have slight cosmetic bleishes."


What stood out was the Dyson Animal for $299--literally half the list price. The cleaning kit, floor tool and turbo tool are included. So, if you want a discounted Dyson, here is your opportunity. Item number C1-36694.


The others are Shark bagless Specta upright, ($69.99), the yellow and purple Dyson, ($249.99), the yellow and black Eureka self-propelled cyclonic bagless, ($99.99) and a Dirt Devil Featherlite rug shampooer, ($69.99).


I'm not advocating any of them, just bringing them to your attention and the prices.

Charlie W. todchaz@aol.com
Charlotte, USA - Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 13:05:43 (MST)


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Congratulations Tom and Heather and a warm welcome to Glenn Thomas. Terry

Terry Lattz VG703@SBCGLOBAL.NET
Danville, Il USA - Saturday, January 08, 2005 at 22:21:05 (MST)


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At this time I'd like to announce the arrival of:


Glenn Thomas Anderson born January 8, 2005 to Tom & Heather Anderson.

I spoke with Tom a couple hours ago, mother and baby are fine and healthy.

Congrats to Tom & Heather!

Jeff Parker hoover1060@comcast.net
Roselle, IL USA - Saturday, January 08, 2005 at 21:55:36 (MST)


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Greetings to all from North Canton Ohio, today ends my vacation and I have to head back to Chicago! I had some floating days owed me from work, so I decided a New Years trip to visit Tom Anderson(now a VCCC member)and to hunt vacuums would be perfect. Fred Stachnik is with me, we've been here since Saturday afternoon. Tom's wife Heather is due to have their first baby in a couple of weeks, so we we had to get Tom out and hunt vacuums one more time before the baby comes. We did pretty well too. We raided a vac shop basement late yesterday, making my trunk full for the trip home. We also spent a couple of hours at the Hoover Historical center yesterday as well. Fred got to run a model O for the first time. We spent the bulk of our time in Tom's basement playing with his beautiful cleaners. Tom, Fred and myself all have Golden Convertibles, so we thought it would be fun to put the three of them together for some pictures. How often are three of these machines together in one place? For any who are members of the yahoo group Hooverland, have a look at the main page, one of the pictures is posted there.

2005 is off to a great start!!!

Jeff Parker hoover1060@comcast.net
Roselle, IL USA - Tuesday, January 04, 2005 at 08:11:12 (MST)


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As we all do i went otu and bought myself a early birthday present a Lux pro upright thrift store priced right and a oster kitchen center, not bad to celebrate the 7th ann of my 39th birthday lol

love to all

Ron

ron d jones roadmaster39@hotmail.com
USA - Sunday, January 02, 2005 at 13:15:35 (MST)


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Happy New Year To All !!!


Santa was good to me this year, I got a Vintage Hoover Suitcase & a Sears/Kenmore canister vacuum cleaner !

Russ Meninno


To, Dave Olsen

I just sent out my membership dues to you,

almost forgot.

Russ Meninno rconstellation@webtv.net
Easton, Ma. USA - Saturday, January 01, 2005 at 07:38:41 (MST)


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