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Marty,
That blue Hoover from Wal-Mart now lives in San Diego with my friend Jason Klein. Jason lived with me from July til early November when he accepted a job at a Lutheran church out there. He originally wanted my hot-rodded 1070 Convertible, but I am much too attached to it to part with it! I have seen the green Best-Buy version, as well as a red model in bag and bagless versions available from Hoover Service centers. Those cleaners are made by Samsing, and are pretty good performers. Wal-Mart here is now selling them for $52.88 everyday.

Re: your relative with the too heavy Kirby. When my mom retired her model 33 Convertible a few years ago she tried an Oreck and sent it back because she hated the noise and the way it didn't clean. I bought her a plain Hoover Soft-n-Light Elite and she loves that. As the ELites are no longer available(except in commercial form) have her check out the Sanitaire Blue line model S634. Its lightweight, well made, and will clean very well.

Also want to take this time to wish everyone a safe and Happy New Year!

Jeff Parker hoover1060@comcast.net
Roselle, IL USA - Thursday, December 30, 2004 at 15:55:01 (MST)

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Middle of the night and i can't sleep ,got a tooth ache and an ear ache. Going to chat about vacuums to keep me preoccupied:

Jeff Parker,

Remember that blue and grey Hoover upright that you brought to the convention? It looked like a Kenmore or a Panasonic, clean air design? You put a red Hoover logo on the bag door to dress it up a little. You bought it at Wal Mart. Since that time i've been checking at Wal mart fom time to time and no Hoover. Well it has FINALLY shown up here on the west coast at Best Buy! I came across it while Christmas shopping so i bought one. This Hoover is called a "Spirit". Sound familiar? It's also in that guacamole green that Hoover is so fond of. I decided to dress mine up too only i put daisy stickers and later added some lady bug stickers!! I think it looks cool now! I now call it the "Big Girl" Hoover! (well it is Palm Springs!) At least it does a great job on the carpets!

Stick vacs:

My Aunt was telling me at Christmas how she hates using her year old Kirby Ultimate G. Her complaints being that is it too heavy, the attachments are too hard to attach. My Aunt is only in her 60's but she has had hip replacment surgery, knee surgery in the past so she does not want to get on the ground to take the nozzle off and attach the hose. She has tile throughout the house and carpet in the bedrooms and the living room. She was thinking about getting an Oreck!! Aghhhh!!!!! I told her don't get an oreck!!

Well i looked around for a stick vac that she could use on the tile because in talking with my Aunt the tile was what she really wanted to keep clean daily. Is EuroPro/Shark invading the market or what? What is all that? I finally settled in this blue Eureka EZ Kleen stick vac. It has great suction, though i dont think a stick vac needs to have 12 amps, please! It's light enough for my Aunt to pick up, it is the right height for her and she can go from the floor to the rug easily to spot clean my Uncle's crumbs around the sofa and coffee table. Although I'm not a bagless fan myself, my aunt likes that she can see what she's picking up and can empty it herself! Hmmm, maybe she should get rid of the Kirby and get a Dyson! i'll see her on New Years so i'll see if she still likes it.

Speaking of Dyson, I was at Sears ( looking for a Stick vac) and saw the DC14! What a beautiful machine!!! I want one! once i pay off Christmas expenses, i think i'm gonna get one. I like the improved hose/handle set up and the new turbo tool! That clear purple is pretty! Soon!

okay i' think i'll head to bed, enough rambling!

Martin Rocha mdanielps@aol.com
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Thursday, December 30, 2004 at 04:38:21 (MST)

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Hey Marty,

To expand on what Fred offered up earlier on the Kirby brush roller: That little light is powered by a small magnet in one end of the brush roll. There is another in the nozzle where the light is located, and the rapidly spinning magnet makes the light glow.

When you go for a new brush, check the ends carefully, the end with the magnet embedded will not be perfectly round, but have a little bump in it.

Hope this helps!

Jeff Parker hoover1060@comcast.net
Roselle, IL USA - Wednesday, December 29, 2004 at 12:50:45 (MST)

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Hi Fred, thanks for the response to my question. I think what i have here is a bojack brush roll. It's black and the ends are plastic, one end white, the other black. It does not look like the usual kirby style. I'll have to go to the kirby Dealer out of town and see what they have.

Charlie W.

I think Lux made those "b" models along side the Olympia One and the Silverado Deluxe at the end of the Model L's run for those who didn't want to spend the bucks for the bigger machines. Someone correct me if i'm wrong. But they didn't make that many of them i don't think. I think you should keep it for posterity. After all, how many people bought and kept their Electrolux model 20's?

Martin Rocha mdanielps@aol.com
Palm Springs, CA USA - Wednesday, December 29, 2004 at 11:18:09 (MST)

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Can anyone explain to me the main differences between the Silverado Deluxe and the "B" model? Is the motor smaller, drawing less amps? I realize that there is no "Automatic Control" to regulate suction with the type of dirt you are vacuuming, the cord wraps on a halo and there is no metal trim.

However, the hose appears to be the same, all tools are the same, the rug/floor flip over tool is the same, the power nozzle, sheath and wands are the same and the body of the machine is nearly the same.

Am I missing something here? The motor uses 7.7 amps without the p/n. Did the deluxe have a bigger draw and would it have made that much difference?

The "B" machine is kind of a novelty. I've only seen a few and can't decide whether to keep it not.

Happy New Year to all!

Charlie W. todchaz@aol.com
Charlotte, USA - Wednesday, December 29, 2004 at 07:28:09 (MST)

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Hey Marty - In order for the light to work, the brush roll must have a metal strip on the end that generates an electrical current to operate the light. If the brush roll does not have the metal strip, the light won't work. Sounds like that is what your problem is.

Fred

Fred Nelson fnelson487@aol.com
St. Charles, Il USA - Tuesday, December 28, 2004 at 07:40:27 (MST)

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Hi All, Happy Holidays to all of you!!!

I have a Kirby question. I replaced the brush roll on my Aunt's HeritageII. The brush roll was bought at a vac shop here in the desert. When i put it on and turned on the vacuum the little green light on the nozzle did not go on. Do these lights wear out after time. How do they work? Does the brush roll need to have metal ends? I think i bought a bojack brushroll because one of the ends is white and the other is black. I'm thinking it's not a genuine Kirby brushroll. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

Martin Rocha mdanielps@aol.com
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Tuesday, December 28, 2004 at 00:06:45 (MST)

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Well Guys! - That Westinghouse Big Wheels is back. It seems that there were many bid retractions. Starting out at $44.95. Let's see where it goes!

Fred

Fred Nelson fnelson487@aol.com
St. Charles, Il USA - Monday, December 27, 2004 at 19:21:23 (MST)

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I definately got a vacuum i have been dreaming of for a while....a Sanitaire SC886. I also got this very old pump vacuum, it says U-S-E Vacuum Cleaner on it.

Reggie Ridlen compactc9@yahoo.com
parker, Co USA - Sunday, December 26, 2004 at 21:33:56 (MST)

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Merry Christmas Everyone!

Received my Christmas wish... we woke up to a nice covering of snow. First time we have had a White Christmas in about 5 years!! We live in WI,,, were supposed to have snow..

Morgan T. Frazer Frazermt@hotmail.com
Benton, WI USA - Saturday, December 25, 2004 at 08:14:18 (MST)

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Check out my G3 holiday greeting:

http://www.goodfirm.com/Greetings/markg3Holiday.jpg

Y'all take care.

mark goodall mgoodall@goodfirm.com
Omaha, USA - Thursday, December 23, 2004 at 10:12:23 (MST)

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I just wanted to also extend my wish to everyone here. Have a very warm and Happy Holiday Season. May Santa bring each of you the vacuum that you have been dreaming of. Terry

Terry Lattz vg703@sbcglobal.net
Danville, Il USA - Wednesday, December 22, 2004 at 22:44:05 (MST)

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Got a early present for myself last week a Hoover model 115 that i have looked for yrs to find not in bad shape just in need of a belt

happy holidays to all my dear friends

ron

ron d jones roadmaster39@hotmail.com
USA - Wednesday, December 22, 2004 at 21:42:13 (MST)

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Dear Members:

Just a HO! HO! HO! Merry Christmas to all of you during this holiday season! Best of health and happiness in 2005.

Ken

Ken Wagman kaw6657@aol.com
Capron, IL USA - Wednesday, December 22, 2004 at 20:01:47 (MST)

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Re my wish list, I would be willing to trade for stuff. Only problem is, I rarely find anyone who wants the stuff I have b/c my collection is so limited in scope -- 99% Electrolux and Kirby. But I'm always willing to negotiate. I wish I had an unlimited bank account so I can just wave wads of money at everyone and get what I want THAT way ....... maybe in another lifetime.......

Meanwhile, this WISH LIST is, I realize, by and large mostly just a lot of WISHFUL THINKING! Especially with some of the really rare stuff like the Haley's Comet Rug Tool!!

But it's fun to dream, and who knows ... I have often told the story of how, when I was a 7-year-old kid, I had a bedroom with an enormous room-length closet, and about 8 ft. deep. I turned that closet into an "inner sanctum" - a space that everyone knew they'd BETTER KEEP OUT of!! And everyone did, pretty much, except my nosey father who had a "snooping fetish."

Anyway, I had my clothes in there of course, but also some favorite books and coloring stuff, an old wooden school desk and seat...

AND my little hand-made Electrolux that I fashioned from an empty plastic bleach jug, with a roller-skate for wheels, twine for cord, the old hose from my mom's AE when she got a new hose, wands and floor nozzle of cardboard tubes, even a floor polisher attachment made of a loop of coat hanger with a cloth wrapped around it! It was quite a detailed rig for a little kid, even the front cover hinged open where I could insert a "dirt bag" made of a paper lunch bag with a cardboard top scotch-taped to it!

Well, I used to sit in there and think to myself, "I wish I had one of every model Electrolux ever made!" And I could just envision them all lined up there in rows, all laid out and displayed.

Well, now, "a few" years later, I do have just that ... a complete collection of the first 50 years of American Electrolux tank cleaners! So I am patient, and ... one brush, tool, hose and odd cleaner at a time, along with much combing of eBay, surprises from friends, and, yes, some trading, I have in the past few years actually cut my list down by about half! So maybe there IS hope after all!

('course, what I still don't have is suitable space to do justice to my collection ----- I really would love to live in one of those funky old downtown artist lofts where you just have a huge, open space ... but at L.A. rental rates, those places are HIGH DOLLAR, lemme tell ya!

Anyway, I too wish everyone a "Merry/Happy Whatever" and a Blessed, Prosperous NEW YEAR!!

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, December 21, 2004 at 02:35:18 (MST)

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Santa left a Hoover under my tree yesterday. My roomate Kevin had gone to visit his family out in Galesburg, and on his way back to Roselle yesterday he said he stopped at several antique malls to browse. At one he spotted "a really old looking Hoover" and grabbed it.

So sitting next to my tree is a Hoover special model 541, rebuilt in 1939, complete with tools!

Pretty cool!

Happy Holidays to all!

Jeff Parker hoover1060@comcast.net
Roselle, IL USA - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 10:41:11 (MST)

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Hi To All:

Just wanted to wish each and everyone One A very Joyious and Happy Merry Christmas and A Very Great HAppy New Year

Skip...

PS: HAPPY VACUUMING

SkipAultman Skip4ula@aol.com
Lafayette, La USA - Sunday, December 19, 2004 at 18:06:17 (MST)

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Dear Charlie L,

By "wish list", do you mean you are looking for gifts of these vacs or purchase or trade or what?

I am happy to report, that I am getting my "Holy Grail" of vacs, a mint, 2 motor Air-Way, everything working, (and ORIGINAL!), and it looks like it jumped out of the box only yesterday. Now that excites me! (I know, I'm easily excitable)

The only other heavy duty, "wish list", vacs are several Hoovers that Tom Gasko has in his collection. When I was at his home, about 2 years ago, he asked me, (after showing me hundreds of vacs), which do you like the best? It was his Hoover 725, 750 and 800---ALL mint and in beautiful working order.

Of course Hans Craig has an Apex Strato-something and an Apex swivel handle upright, both quite fabulous...........................maybe in another lifetime.

Happy Festivus to all.

Charlie W. todchaz@aol.com
Charlotte, USA - Sunday, December 19, 2004 at 16:53:40 (MST)

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Oops, forgot one thing ... I also would like an original Hoover Constellation 82 flex-hose, preferably the earliest version with the dark blue neck instead of the lighter-blue one but either will do. Thx!

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Friday, December 17, 2004 at 16:33:00 (MST)

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Well, since Santa's about ready to pack his bag and head out from the North Pole, I thought I'd post my "Sweeper Wish List" here in case he's reading it. Note to Santa: I have NOT been naughty this year ... I have been VERY NICE!!!

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C H A R L I E L E S T E R ' S
V A C U U M C L E A N E R
W I S H L I S T

Revised 12/17/04

ELECTROLUX

Cleaners:

(in great condition and complete with original parts and attachments -- I do have a model XX, but only in fair condition)

- Model XX ("20"), 1947

- LUX Model 1, 1911 (Sweden)

- Model VI, VII etc. - European variations of the V

- Diamond Jubilee 75th anniversary model [I =THINK= one of Santa's Helpers already has one for me!]

Electrolux Floor Polishers & Accessories:

- B-7 electric polisher, grey and white, 1958 -- need wax dispenser set-up only (or a complete unit if it's in really superb condition)

- Shampoo setup for the first B-8 electric polisher/shampooer. The shampoo tank is turquoise with gold starbursts.

- Turquoise rubber bumper for B-7/early B-8

Electrolux Hoses (in ***excellent*** condition only):

- XX ("20") ...?? Dunno what it looks like...! I have also been told it had the same hose as the 1948 XXX but who knows?!

- 15-foot "commercial" XXX - grey cloth with white and dark grey criss-cross pattern

- 15-foot "commercial" LX - grey cloth with blue "arrow" pattern

- AF - White vinyl with grey & blue stripes in pairs close together, large grey plastic suction valve

- S - Eggshell blue vinyl with off-white stripes, or off-white arrows

- Turquoise G - Light turquoise vinyl with white AND dark turquoise stripes --- with or without electric power nozzle cable

- Turquoise G - extra-long turquoise-G hose (10-11 ft?)

- Bronze G - white vinyl with gold stripes --- with off-white or tan electric power nozzle cable

- 1205 - extra-long "commercial" braided non-elec. (dark turquoise with white stripes) (15 ft??)

- Golden Jubilee electric hose (white w/ blue and gold stripes)

- Gold L standard OR pigtail hose (gold w/ blue and white stripes)

Electrolux Attachments:

I have models XX and T, but need complete attachment sets for them.

Any removable cord winders in exc. condition -- chrome, blue, grey, or white, as long as they still have the original Belden cord & plug.

- Model L, Gold, 1975 -- need cord winder

- Model L, Turquoise, 1969 -- need cord winder

- Model L, Light Tan, 1967 -- need cord winder

- Model L, White, 1963 -- need cord winder

Any old or odd nozzles or attachments --- metal, bakelite, plastic etc. Unusual stuff such as extra-long hoses, extra-wide floor/rug nozzles etc. Would love to find an E/AEcombination floor tool that is 1.5x longer than normal; was a special commercial attachment.

Power nozzle for the AF/R ---- the first version had a gray handle & motor housing and white bumper. 2nd version had an off-white handle & gray motor housing, with grey [not blue] rubber bumper. Both have long cord that attaches to hose with plastic clips.

CANADIAN ELECTROLUX

ZB54 hose - like LX hose but w/ Canadian ends; instruction manual

ZB55 - the late "blue" version, complete

Z/ZB5# series accessories - chrome-plated automatic cord winder; halo-type "manual" cord winder; "Companion" tool caddy; Metal machine-end hose couplers; any of the unusual or extra accessories -- commercial nozzles, etc.

KIRBY

Bags -- Any grey or black Kirby dust-bags with the large Kirby logo in a circle on the front. ESPECIALLY want 514/515 bag, the one where the "K" and "Y" of the Kirby name meet in a long point down the front of the bag: There were two versions of this bag, one with a smooth gray surface and one with a textured surface like the 561 etc. bags. I am particularly looking for the textured type.

Cords -- Black or Grey with big thick round female connector; or grey with red male & flat female connectors

Attachments -- 3-ft-long crevice tool; made of ribbed grey plastic

Other -- Dual 50 Rug Renovator & Handi-Butler in mint cond, original boxes

Also any printed literature / sales / instructions etc. D50-earlier

OTHER MACHINES - as complete / original as possible

Purple Air-Way model 55

Airway Model 77 (dark green w/ domed swivel-top)

Eureka Golden Crown Super Roto-Matic Canister

Bison upright, complete - the green model

Canadian Hoover 350 or 375 (uprights)

(U.S.) Hoover Model 69

Atlas canister - red & gray

White and emerald-green Lewyt "big-wheel" canister with gold-colored wands & attachments

Attachments for Lewyt 55 in exc. shape - bare floor nozzle, filters, optional equipment (hose hanger, floor duster, white dusting brushes, hair dryer, dolly-platform, etc.)

Any "over-the-top" 40s-50s turquoise machines

Any beautiful "atomic bomb" or "space-ship" tank or canister cleaners from the 1930s-50s except Hoover Constellations.

OTHER FLOOR POLISHERS

Johnson Wax commercial floor scrubbers

Hammertone blue or gray Johnson Wax electric floor polisher

Other '50s-'60s Johnson Wax - type floor polishers (w/ single large brush)

Very old (early 1930s) air-powered floor polisher by EUREKA. It looks like a chrome flying saucer, with a glass window on the top where you can see the turbine blades spinning.

12- or 13" commercial polishers - Clarke FM-13 etc.

MISCELLANY

Large, flat rug nozzle for the Haley's Comet cleaner. Also, whatever other attachments came with it besides hose, bare floor nozzle, and wands. Also literature.

Any paperwork 1960-earlier for Electrolux or Kirby -- instruction manuals, advertising, pamphlets, original boxes/ cartons, photos, factory newsletters, etc etc etc

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Friday, December 17, 2004 at 16:21:28 (MST)

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Fred gave me a Rainbow D-2 at the last convention, and I have grown to like it. I do not have any attachments for it, so I have been using Electrolux tools on it. I could use some attachments and would also like a power nozzle for it. I would also like to buy another D-2 with attachments for show purposes (of course, I would like it to work properly, as well). Thanks for any help. I hope everyone in the club has a good holiday season.

John Ziegenhagen

John Ziegenhagen ziegenja@yahoo.com
Fairborn, OH USA - Friday, December 17, 2004 at 14:16:29 (MST)

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Ron Jones, I have some DVC brand bags that will fit that Challenger! I will send them to you! Marty

Martin Rocha mdanielps@aol.com
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Thursday, December 16, 2004 at 21:03:20 (MST)

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HELP,

I gota sunbeam challenger on ebay fro myself for christmas, now does anyone have any bags for one they r willing to sell

merry christmas to one and all

ron

ron d jones roadmaster39@hotmail.com
USA - Thursday, December 16, 2004 at 20:59:39 (MST)

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WestingHouse Big Wheel on eBay closed @ $1,324.99

If I only had a few of these machines NIB, I could retire early. Not a bad return for an investment of $44.95 or less. Now when I am asked why I collect old vacuums I have a good point of reference.

Happy Holidays to all!

Kyle J Mathews KJMATHEWS_2000@YAHOO.COM
Los Angeles, CA USA - Sunday, December 12, 2004 at 11:22:39 (MST)

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I just got home and looked at the westinghouse out on ebay,,and noticed that it had dropped back to 465.00. Making me wonder if someone got "cold feet" or did an accidental bidding. But still! Makes me feel very well about the machines I do have. And I have Marty Rocha and some of the Vacuum cleaner club members to thank for my ever growing collection.If you ever see Martys collection,,it will give you a sudden urge to go on a vacuum hunting mission!

Victor Lee VLeeTx@aol.com
Cathedral city, CA USA - Thursday, December 09, 2004 at 23:36:19 (MST)

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To Charlie Lester:

I love what you've done with our club Website. The updates are wonderful. I love the Stan Kann link (today is his birthday by the way - 12/9/04) and plan to show him our club website on Sunday when he and I have a visit.

Regarding the Westinghouse cleaner on eBay: I have a hard time believing anyone would pay that much for such a terrible vacuum cleaner. Having had the opportunity to actually work on the motor of several Westinghouse MobileAire 'speed' cleaners (their version of the Big Wheel), I can't imagine how the one on eBay lasted all these years, as poor as it was at filtration. Every one I ever saw had a filthy motor from the bag bursting and poor seals. I thought of them as a Joke, and here's one on eBay going for over a thousand dollars. I wonder how much it would be worth if it actually worked properly? There are several club members who own one already - Jimmy Martin has two of them and he had no idea they were worth any particular amount of money.

Again, I love what you've done with the website. I have pictures of the club's Dyson vacuum for you (will mail them in CD format) that was given by James Dyson to our club three years ago. I'll also write a short 'story' about how we (the VCCC) came to get our club's Commemorative Edition Electrolux (Mike Fuller of Electrolux presented it to me because I kept asking him for one at the Factory tour).

tom gasko
USA - Thursday, December 09, 2004 at 11:33:01 (MST)

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To the person who posted the "news flash" about the Westinghouse vac on eBay -- you did not put your name and email address on your posting, which are required for this list. Please be so kind as to post a subsequent message that gives us this information. NO ANONYMOUS POSTINGS --- users are reminded to please READ THE GUIDELINES. Thank you for helping us maintain a trouble-free forum.

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Thursday, December 09, 2004 at 03:04:39 (MST)

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Good Grief!!!! Now i know the world is going to hell!!! Let's hope for the seller that the buyer is able to afford that much money for a 40 something year old vacuum cleaner!

Martin Rocha mdanielps@aol.com
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Thursday, December 09, 2004 at 01:28:06 (MST)

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Vintage WestingHouse Big Wheel Vacuum Cleaner

In Hassock Storage Box!George Jetson-esque Restro !

Went for $1300.00 On ebay December 9, 2004

Go Check the Auction now here is

Paste here is :

Http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4342105964&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT

eBay #4342105964
USA - Wednesday, December 08, 2004 at 19:06:35 (MST)

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Thanks to everyone who has sent me their best wishes on my new store. And an especially big thank you (can't thank him enough!) to fellow VCCC member Jimmy Martin, who spent four consecutive weekends prior to Thanksgiving, helping me with the move, the sorting, and the arranging in the new store. When I moved to NC in 1997 on the recommendation of VCCC member Hans Craig, who has lived here all his life, I figured it would be my last move. Then in 2002, my dear partner Dennis Cox died, leaving me to run the business alone. I couldn't believe it when I learned that the restaurant next door to me, which owned the building, wanted to expand into my section, thus forcing me to move. Kind of overwhelming. Anyway, I've ended up with a much nicer, larger, better laid-out store, with better parking for my customers. Business is already booming in the 3 weeks I've been in the new location. And, again, I couldn't have done it without Jimmy's help. This good guy truly receives a pat on the back.

My new physical location is 161 Hickman Ave., Hudson, NC 28638 (e 1/2 miles south of the old location in the Whitnel section of Lenoir)

The new mailing address is P.O. Box 951, Hudson, NC 28638, and the new phone number is 828-728-9800. The toll-free number remains unchanged at 1-877-635-5415, and both phone numbers are forwarded to me wherever and whenever. I'd love to hear from my fellow club members and to have you visit my new digs. And, again, can't thank Jimmy enough.

Clay Floyd CBFloyd4@aol.com
Hudson, NC USA - Tuesday, December 07, 2004 at 14:36:04 (MST)

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"BUT WAIT ... THERE'S MORE!!!"

I have added some stuff to the "Members Only" page -- a list of the Club Officers, Board Members, and Humble Servants, with email addresses, so that those who may want to contact these folks will have easy access to them.

Fret not about these email addresses getting out on the WWW --- that page page is concealed on three different levels - password-protected; excluded from search engine logging; and excluded from automated robot spidering.

I have also added a few pages of various articles about the Club that have appeared in the media. If you know of additional links like these, or you have print articles you can scan and email to me, I'll gladly add them to this section.

Then, I have added a chronological list of all the annual conventions onto the "Club History" page. Thanks to R. J. Vanik and Clay Floyd for providing this information to me. If you would like to add comments to this list, please email them to me. (And, again, PLEASE SEND JPEGs of the meetings!!)

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, December 07, 2004 at 01:12:34 (MST)

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Does anyone have any photos from the really early days of the club, e.g., before the 1991 "re-vivication" ? It would be great to have some of this type of archival material to enhance the club history page.

I would also like to add photos, as available, from past conventions to the members only pages. I do have a s#!tload of photos from the 2003 Convention -- I just have to sit down and sift through them. I would like to have photos from other conventions if people have them. JPGs only please, either mailed on a CD or emailed in a zip or stuffit file -- I can't sit here and scan in a zillion photos!!

Also, I know there is at least one, and maybe a couple, "official club vacuum cleaners." I'd like to put photos and descriptions of those on the Members Only page so again, whoever has the machine(s), could you please email me some photos and descriptions. Thanks.

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Monday, December 06, 2004 at 22:33:52 (MST)

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I have finally brought the web site up to date, yes, six months overdue. VERY VERY VERY SORRY for the delays but ..."life is in session."

Nearly every page has had something added to it; and this forum has been fixed - all the image glitches and stray characters have been addressed and the old postings archived off, to a total now of TWENTY-ONE web pages of archived emails!

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, CA USA - Monday, December 06, 2004 at 15:14:50 (MST)

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PS--Charlie Lester, would PLEASE update the home page and remove my picture and text since I have not been the President for SIX months. Thanks.

Charlie Watrous todchaz@aol.com
Charlotte, USA - Sunday, December 05, 2004 at 09:41:25 (MST)

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Dear Members and Friends,

Yesterday I notified Board and Administration that I am resigning my position as a Board Member.

I am resigning for personal reasons that are not open to discussion. It is my hope that the Board will find another member that can perhaps serve you better.

If anyone is interested, please contact President R. J. Vanik or Vice President Jeff Parker.

Best wishes for the holiday season.

Charlei Watrous todchaz@aol.com
Charlotte, USA - Sunday, December 05, 2004 at 09:39:37 (MST)

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its been another throw your cleaner to the curb week here in NC picked up a Eureka bagless, Hoover windtunnel mach 6 Hoover celebrity canister, all with minor problems , clogs or belts. looks like people have more money than sense these days HAppy Holidays to all my friends

ron

ron d jones roadmaster39@hotmail.com
USA - Sunday, December 05, 2004 at 09:07:39 (MST)

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******* W A R N I N G *******

This is off-topic but bears bringing to members' attention.

If you get email from eBay, PayPal, your bank, some other bank, your Credit Union, or ANY similar commerce bureau saying something like "your account has been suspended because of invalid credit info," "we are updating our records, please reply with your current info," "your credit card has expired please provide a new one" or ANY kind of email like this asking for ANY kind of personal info or data, DO NOT REPLY TO IT!!!!

This is a VERY widespread scam called "spoofing" or "phishing." Yes, it is tempting to reply. I should know. I was one of the first victims a couple of years to fall for it. WHAT A MESS. I had to cancel all my credit and debit card and get new ones; had to change all my passwords; and had to have monitors placed on all my online accounts to make sure there was no unauthorized activity.

Most bureaus have a way of reporting these. in the case of eBay and PayPal, you should forward the messages to "spoof@ebay.com" and "spoof@paypal.com" respectively. In the case of banks and other financial institutions or utility companys, call their customer service department.

Repeat: THESE ARE NOT LEGITIMATE EMAILS. ***NO*** COMPANY WILL EMAIL YOU AND ASK FOR YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION!!!!!!!

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com
Los Angeles, California USA - Saturday, December 04, 2004 at 23:42:38 (MST)

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To Tom Gasko:

Got the Airway Mark V with the Eureka power nozzle. Cleaned and polished it. What a beast! All the good qualities of the Airway. Most unusual. With that big Eureka, you need a lot of room to use it. Won't be a daily driver but definitely worth it for the rareness and collection value.

Getting it caused me to get out the Centurion. Now that is definitely a daily driver. As you will recall when I first purchased it, my housekeeper in LA used it over all the others. My house is vacuumed regularly and I am amazed at how much dirt is picked up. What do you recommend as far as a filter configuration? I have heard that some people prefer the 14 layer bags over the 28 layer and not all the filters for better performance. Your thoughts? I ordered the Air-Tec tools. The configuration of the wands will allow me to use the original Airway aluminum tools (now manufactured by Air-Tec) with the new electric hose. The color even matches! Being a standard setup, I can also swap out the power nozzle. I have tried the Stealth, which I believe is a Lindhaus electronic and also the Eureka Express. Both excellent units and slightly more maneuverable than the Hayden. I still have a great appreciation for that machine. It seems that the Sanitizor might be a dying breed and may buy another one new just to save for posterity.

Fred Nelson fnelson487@aol.com
St. Charles, Il USA - Saturday, December 04, 2004 at 10:28:02 (MST)

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Hello, pls disregard my comments in my previous post about the planning that's being done for the 2005 Convention. Further off-line discussions about this have satisfied me that my apprehensions were premature and mis-informed. Sorry for any misunderstanding--

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Monday, November 29, 2004 at 23:32:38 (MST)

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Thanks to all for the various kind comments, etc., and may I add my wishes that everyone had a blessed and Happy Thanksgiving.

I am truly sorry that the Forum is so goofed up and long overdue for archiving but breaking it up into monthly chunks is very tedious work; and then having to do a hasty exorcism of an intruder's posting really screwed things up. I will get this taken care of; I promise ....... I just have to finish up a couple of big income-generating sites for clients and then I will have some free time.

In other news, I am really looking forward to the upcoming convention in L.A. It's been far too long since I was able to attend one and it will be great to finally meet all the new memebrs. It just kinda surprised and disappointed me when I found out that apparently plans for the Convention are being made by people NOT in L.A., "on our behalf" and without our input. It would seem that those who are going to be playing host should have at least some input on this especially with regard to venues and schedules. Just my little 2�' worth...

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 23:51:24 (MST)

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Hi To All:

I'm just so excited I just had to let you all know that I just won my second Gold plated Kirby, this one is the 1981 Kirby Gold council winner , which is the Kirby Tradition.

I really wanted this one the first time I saw it but knew I couldn't afford it, the seller kept relisting it so when he brought the opening bid low enough I took advantage of it and was lucky enough to max my bid high enough to win it.

My hertiage II gold plated is awsome so now I can't wait to get this one in.

Well now I have 2 of them in my collection So that is an accomplishment to me

Happy vacuuming

Skip...

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 20:00:42 (MST)

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Ron,

Did you try changing the filter in the top, the batting one? That might help, but you might also need yo take the whole thing apart and clean it.

Reggie Ridlen
Parker, Co USA - Sunday, November 28, 2004 at 18:05:36 (MST)

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Morgan,

When it finally stopped snowing on Wednesday night, we had about 3.5 inches of snow, and some pretty icy roads. My normal 8 mile drive home from work took close to an hour...

The only entertainment I got from it was watching Jack roll in it...

You can have it all... I hate snow and cold!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Friday, November 26, 2004 at 06:45:11 (MST)

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Filter Queen, got a problem with a FG princess of my cousins she used it for yrs to pick up pet hair and cant get rid of the scent any suggestions on a fix

Ron

ron d jones
USA - Thursday, November 25, 2004 at 21:33:29 (MST)

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Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

I just want to give a special thanks to all our officers and board members that make this club what it is. And to all the members that add to the excitement. Also lets not forget Charlie Lester who keeps making it possible for us to communicate easily with this Web Site.

Jeff,

If there is to much snow in Chicago you can send some up our way.

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton , WI USA - Thursday, November 25, 2004 at 06:47:18 (MST)

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Hi To All:

I just want to wish each and everyone of you'll and your Families a very Happy Thanksgiving.

To Tom:

Thanks Tom I really appreicate it, You make me feel great And I love you'll too

HAPPY THANKSGIVING

Skip...

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 19:17:37 (MST)

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Its snowing like crazy in Chicago this evening, winter is definately here....

I hope everyone has a safe and happy thanksgiving!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 16:07:01 (MST)

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To Charlie Lester:

Thank you so much for sending me your wonderful Cobbler recipe. I'm making it for Thanksgiving. You really MUST think about starting a VCCC cookbook. I'd buy one, for sure.

tom g.
USA - Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 10:42:52 (MST)

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I want to wish everyone here a VERY HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 21:35:36 (MST)

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Dear Members,

I would like to say best wishes for a safe, happy and eventful Thanksgiving Holiday.

You folks are the best and for those of you I've met, I'm grateful. I hope to continue meeting more of you in the future and let's always continue to remember this club is about people and vacuums and vacuums and people.

Best wishes and kindness to all,

Charlie W.

Charlie W.
Charlotte, USA - Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 19:26:36 (MST)

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Skip:

I've been talking to you for over a year now on the phone, and I thouqht you were a Cajun from Louisiana. This club is made up of all kinds of people, every type one could imagine. There are club members of all different religions, backgrounds, lifestyles, genders, etc. For example, I didn't know anyone who was Jewish before I joined the club. I now count several close friends who are Jewish and they've enriched my life. Don't sweat being a black man - we still love you. All colors are welcome in the club. Myself - I'm sometimes lavender and pink - but that's another story.

tom g.
USA - Tuesday, November 23, 2004 at 06:57:59 (MST)

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Hello Again

I'm writing this time to set the record straight,I was Talking on the phone tonite With Tanya

We have been talking for about a year now on the phone. We were on the subject about Craig and I was telling Tanya that my hair is now Grey but I was a pure blonde before turning Grey.

This is cute and funny, Out of the blue she told me being I was a blonde that I must be a molatta( Black & white) I said Tanya what are you saying that I'm a black man and she said yes.

What happened is somebody in the club told her I am a black man, I want you'll to know that I'm a 100% white man in fact Pure German at that. To be honest I have never even heard of a black person fastinated with vacuums at that.

So I just wanted to set the record straight about my race.

I'm not racist at all but wanted to clear the air on this

Skip...

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Friday, November 19, 2004 at 22:35:11 (MST)

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To Robert:

When they filmed the vacuum cleaner edition of "Hey Remember" for HGTV (in my living room) we used my Atlas, which they incorrectly identified as a Fairfax on the show. Atlas was a private labeled Universal Jet 99. It was designed for sales in Sewing Machine stores, along with the Atlas sewing machine. There were three versions of the Atlas, the one you like is called the "eldorado" model. It had the disadvantage of not working properly so many of them were not used long. The suction only came through the bottom of the bag, not the sides, so dirt would fall to the bottom of the bag and that was it. Clogged up bag pores - no more suction. Pretty machine. It was private labeled for several companies (like Regina) as well as sold under the Universal name plate.

On many versions, the wheels were a dolly - an option. Late in the model run, wheels were added as a permanent feature.

To Skip:

You are very welcome for all the help. You are about the only person who loves Compact vacs more than me. I was happy to help you out with an ABC power nozzle. Friendship works both ways. You take the time to pick up the phone and call me, taking time to get to know me. That's all it takes. I'll share with people who take the time to get to know me.

I recently had an experience with someone who wanted a very rare part I had (for FREE) but couldn't be bothered to try to get to know me before buqging me for the part. I have never given him the part. I'll always share with people who make an effort to get to know me.

To Rick A:

You should have mentioned you needed Lewyt bags when you visited Sunday. I have several packs of the bags you need. I'll be glad to share with you.

tom g.
USA - Wednesday, November 17, 2004 at 21:30:31 (MST)

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Hello everyone! I acquired a 60ish I think Shetland electric broom today in beautiful condition, 4amp motor, with great suction. I know I won't be able to find bags, so I cut off a Hoover C bag which might work temporarily, but I thought I'd check to see if anyone would have bags for this, it's an model 800 series. I'd like to give it to someone for a gift, but would like to have the appopriate bags for it. Tom and Chuck, I'll be checking with you guys. Chuck was kind enought to send me some Lewyt bags, and Tom G. has been a lifesaver for me and my vacs, as I do collect, however do not work on them. I have over 50 vacs, many of them from other collectors via ebay. I am looking forward to the convention coming to St. Louis so I am able to meet everyone, it seems like a great bunch of people to get to know. Thanks, and if you have bags for my Shetland, email me about cost and s/h.

Rick

Rick Asquith
St. Louis, mo USA - Tuesday, November 16, 2004 at 18:58:21 (MST)

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Hi To All:

I just had to tell You'll I just acquired a Gold Plated Kirby hertiage II from ebay. I'm very excited to add this Kirby to my collection.

I have to thank Evan for this because I didn't even see it. I was telling him on the phone about the Gold Tradition on ebay and He asked me if I saw the Hertiage and he sent it to me and I watched it and there were no bids so I bidded on it and won it.

Do any of you know where there might still be a Bison still brand New in the box some where The Bison Mark II ( green one). Please let me know if any of you know where one might be or let Evan know as this is one that he is trying to acquire.

TO Tom Gasko:

Thanks again for everything. You are truly amazing Tom, I don't know what I would do without you. THANKS AGAIN :)

To Mark And Floyd:

I really enjoyed talking on the phone with you guys this past week. I wil definately keep in touch with you'll

Happy Vacuuming

Skip...

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Monday, November 15, 2004 at 08:16:48 (MST)

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What can anyone tell me about an Atlas canister vacuum that is red and looks like a 1950s car with fins? I have never heard of this company. I saw one recently and I am curious about the company and this particular vacuum? What style of bags does it take? Where were they sold? Is this a private label brand? Please fill me in!

Robert Azar
Omaha, NE USA - Sunday, November 14, 2004 at 16:12:42 (MST)

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Hello all...

I'm in search of a combo dust/upholstery brush, crevice tool and flip floor tool for an Electrolux Automatic F. The tools are the two tone gray and cream color. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Just drop me an email.

Thanks...

Matt Straub
Harrisburg, PA USA - Sunday, November 14, 2004 at 13:38:05 (MST)

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Hey Gang

I had the pleasure of a one owner Lux LX come my

way. I have no room for it, so would like one of

you to acquire it for $50.00 if you have an inte-

rest. I will pay $25.00 of the shipping if you

want it. The vacuum was purchased in Jan. 1953, I

have the receipt. All of the attachments are with

it, hose replaced in the 70's and matches in color. No instructions, sprayer or demother attach. Works fine.

Norm Brown

Norm Brown
Columbus, OH USA - Saturday, November 13, 2004 at 18:58:38 (MST)

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To Dan:

There were several styles of the plain wooden Hoover handle, like the handle for the Special (old style) which had a 'screw in' handle and the Special 102 (which had a hole in the bail for the post to go through and a but held the handle to the bail). Which type do you need. Have several in my collection, not doing anything but collecting dust.

tom gasko
park hills, mo. USA - Friday, November 12, 2004 at 16:43:49 (MST)

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My Dearest Chuck,

Whilst we are on the subject of eBay, I have say that I"ve been keeping an eye on all you were selling. I was absolutely flabbergasted at the fact that that beautiful and mint Sunbeam Challenger did not sell. That make no sense. Better luck second time around. If I had just one more closet in my NYC apartment I'd you send it to me overnight.

Best Wishes your friend

Michael
New York City, NY USA - Friday, November 12, 2004 at 09:45:49 (MST)

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I'll try it again-I'm still looking for an early wooden Hoover handle (to replace one lost in shipping). This early style does not have a metal cap on top. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Dan Brown
Spokane, WA USA - Friday, November 12, 2004 at 08:21:45 (MST)

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Hi, I have a bunch of old Kirby parts that I would like to get rid of.

They consist of about 6 motors(no nozzle, handle, cords, bags), some

motor bodies without the armatures(pre 516 models), handles,

attachments, etc. I would like someone to come and pick these up as

there is so much it would be very expensive to ship, more than it's

worth. The motor assemblies range from 516 - 562's I believe. I

also have a rebuilt Kirby circa 509-512, no nozzle that just needs

the bearings greased, but it does run. I'm offering all this for free. I'd rather they go to a

collector than in the trash so please contact me if you are

interested. I live in a suburb of Kansas City. My email address is chadinkc@yahoo.com.

Chad Cunningham
Overland Park, KS USA - Sunday, November 07, 2004 at 11:48:55 (MST)

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Guys.....

I have sat and watched as the endless whining about eBay continues, and I just don't get it!! It seems to be a major point of contention, yet only with a select few.It's an auction for heavens sake!

I have bid, and won.... I have bid, and lost, so be it. Everyone is "allowed" to bid as high, or as late in the auction as they deem necessary, so why is it that this upsets some of you? Sure we all want to win, and getting the item cheap is even better , but we all know those are rare times.

As to the amount of money people will spend, lets just say when I'm selling, the highest figure always makes me smile. AND if some of you were honest about it, you would have to say the same.... we all want top dollar!

I am a member of this club, on the board of directors, and a vacuum shop owner. The "vacuum owner" is a business person, I sell for a profit, I'm not doing it for the entertainment. A VERY succesful business friend of mine puts it best... "DON'T TAKE IT PERSONEL HONEY, IT'S JUST GOOD BUSINESS"

I am sure I said to much... OH WELL !!guess I'll go check the auctions I have listed.

Best.... Chuck

Chuck Chatham
Lock Haven, Pa USA - Saturday, November 06, 2004 at 17:14:32 (MST)

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P.S. Matt, how GREAT that you're planning to come to L.A. It will be wonderful to meet you in person after all this time.

Just so folks know, there are 12 club members in the Southern California area if you include the Inland Empire (about an hour's drive), San Diego (ditto) and Palm Springs/Coachella Valley (about 2 hrs). Then there are a couple of members a bit further up north in San Jose, San Francisco, Walnut Creek, etc. There are five of us right in Los Angeles proper (ok, no jokes here!). I =think= this is the largest concentration of members in any one geographical area, no?

So, besides the usual convention fare, you'll have quite a few collections to see. My "claim to fame" I guess is my Electrolux collection, a complete set of the first 50 years of American Electrolux tank machines.

Then I also have quite a few old Kirbys, all in original condition (though not buffed out and I likely will not have time to get to it, either), and then a few other odds and ends of obscure and rare things -- Kenmore Bug Eye, Haley's Comet, Singer R1, Ohio Tuec, and several very early uprights both straight suction and motor-driven.

Lewyt lovers, better bring along a "Heart Pill" before seeing my MINTY-MINT Lewyt 44 w/ Treasure Chest, frozen in time from the day it was purchased!

I don't have a whole lot of Hoovers but the few that I do have (early uprights mostly) are all original.

I also have a fairly extensive library of paper ephemera which will be available to see.

Other people can tell about their own collections.

Then of course, there's all the "Hollywood" stuff to do out here if people are interested -- Universal Studios, the Hollywood Walk of Fame (along with the Wax Museum, Ripley's Museum, El Capitan Theater, Graumans Chinese Theater, Egyptian Theater, are all in the same general vicinity).

We also have many museums, ranging from fine art (L.A. County Museum of Art) to prehistoric (Page Musuem), then the Museum of Miniatures, The Craft and Folk art Museum, the Asian branch of LACMA, and another excellent Asian museum in Pasadena, and the Petersen Automotive museum which is INCREDIBLE! Then there's the USC Museum of Science and Technology, and, wow, many others I am sure I am forgetting.

There are a gazillion great restaurants, every kind of fare imaginable and then some.

Also, Disneyland, Knotts Berry Farm, and Six Flags Magic Mountain are all fairly close by. The Griffith Observatory is, unfortunately, closed at present for renovation. I don't know if it will be reopened in time for our meeting or not. If so, it's also a MUST-DO tourist destination. Then there are guided tours of Hollywood, Beverly Hills, etc.

Those with a horticultural flair should visit the breathtakingly beautiful Arborteum in Pasadena and the Descanso Gardens in La Ca�ada.

Culturally speaking, there's the stunning new Disney Concert Hall, home of the L.A.Philharmonic; the Dorothy Chandler Pavillion, the Los Angeles Opera, and many other fine venues including USC and UCLA.

There's a HUGE flea market every second Sunday of every month at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena. As far as thrift shops go, L.A. is pretty much the same as everywhere else -- pickings are generally lean but there are many of them around, enough to make a day trip of it, and occasionally you do still find heart-stopping treasures!

And last but far from least, the BEACHES --- Santa Monica Beach is only about a 25-minute drive from my place; then there's the funky Venice Beach a little further south with all the colorful characters (many of them still recovering from flashbacks!) and its world-famous Muscle Beach; Malibu, Laguna, Redondo and Huntington Beaches all have unique and special things to offer.

The hard part, I think, will deciding what to do while you are here. Although, of course, vacuum cleaners being the focus, we will do all we can to keep you as entertained as possible in that area!

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CALIFORNIA United States - Friday, November 05, 2004 at 16:15:28 (MST)

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Per Matt Straub's post, I too, want to echo Tom's comments that it's not the sniping per se that some of us take issue with; it's when it gets chronic and compulsive ... and PERSONAL, as it did with me and a former member. Nuff said on it I guess; just didn't want to leave any lingering misgivings that I am 100% against sniping. It's a matter of extremes.

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CALIFORNIA United States - Friday, November 05, 2004 at 15:40:46 (MST)

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To Matt S.:

I personally have no feelings either way about sniping on eBay (as a 'seller' sniping is very good for me) - except for our infamous former club member; the notorious (and now Larger Than Life) 'sniper lady'. But she's a totally different subject entirely. Glad to hear you are going to try for the '05 meeting in L.A.

R.J. is going to go out of his way, I'm sure, to make the '05 meeting wonderful and certainly an afair to remember.

The '06 meeting in St. Louis should also prove to be wonderful. Stan Kann (the worlds first and foremost vacuum collector) and I have discussed possible events. I think it would be great fun to 'gang vacuum' the Fabulous Fox Theater in St. Louis with it's vintage 1928 Spencer. It's so powerful, 3 of us can vacuum with 3 different hoses at one time. Since Stan is the Fox's musical director, getting to visit the Fox and use the machine shouldn't prove to be a problem. Stan also has the premier vintage pre-war vacuum collection - certainly the most complete of any club member - so just being able to 'play' with his machines will be worth the trip for everyone. I see him every other Sunday and never tire of using his vacuums. He STARTED collecting in the 1930's. Hope to meet you in person in '06.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 21:27:16 (MST)

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Tom G.-

No, I haven't been to one of the conventions yet, but I'd really like to attend in '05. Although it will be quite a few miles from me, but I'm going to make every attempt to get there.

Like I mentioned in my previous post, I didn't want to get anybody "worked-up", but for me sniping is a good way to save a buck or two. It doesn't always work out, but it's worth a try to me instead of the usual step by step process of bidding back and forth on a typical auction.

It just seems like the snipers are always made out to be the bad guys.

Matt Straub
Harrisburg, PA USA - Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 16:30:39 (MST)

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Two things:

1. Electro Hygiene - I was walking back to my office from lunch at a local diner when the guitar guy invited me into his shop to see an "Electro Hygiene" canister Model 210A, P.A. Geyer Co., Cleveland. I guessed it to be a pre-war from the thirties, but I am not a real vac guy. It looks like an ugly version of an XXX ??

2. Tom, thanks for the short course in sniping. It was the topic of dinner conversation with my tech-guy son. Take care.

mark goodall
Omaha, USA - Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 07:32:24 (MST)

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To Matt S.

As I tried to point out in my answer to Mark G's question about what sniping is, not all snipers (and snipes) are bad. Only the extremes (like our 'sniper lady). As Charlie L. stated, there are times a bidder might feel it's necessary.

Just curious - have you been to a club convention? Don't remember meeting you, althouqh my recollection of people isn't what it used to be.

To Skip Aultman:

I have to thank club member Jimmy Martin for helping me sort out my collection. He unearthed the Bug Eye Kenmore a few weeks ago in the back of my store room. I wanted it to go to someone I liked - couldn't wish for a better home for it than yours. What goes around seems to come around - the day I sent you the Kenmore I received a gift of a Hoover Duster (my holy grail) from a fellow club member and good friend. He knew I was prepared to pay a small fortune for one and sent his to me free as an early Christmas present. It's a wonderful little thing and very rare so I consider myself blessed to have received it. Sending you the Imperial Kenmore Bug Eye was a way of 'paying it forward'. Enjoy the Kenmore my friend.

tom g.
USA - Thursday, November 04, 2004 at 00:08:56 (MST)

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I see there has been quite a bit of talk on here concerning "sniping" on eBay. Not to beat a dead horse and certainly not to step on anyone's toes... but... that's how the game is played. Plain and simple! I tend to watch an auction to the very end and place my bid in the last few seconds as to avoid a bidding war. Whether the items are vacuum related or not. Broadband ISPs really comes in handy!!!

There aren't any money trees growing in my back yard unlike some of the fortunates on here, so I just play the game a little differently. However I DO NOT bid against recognized eBayers.

Those of you that feel the need to chastise the ones that practice this deed either need to stay away from eBay or just take it in stride.

I apologize in advance to the ones who will most likely get their "panties-in-a-bunch" over my posting.

Matt Straub
Harrisburg, PA USA - Wednesday, November 03, 2004 at 20:46:53 (MST)

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To Tom gasko:

Tom Thanks so much for the beautiful Kenmore Imperial Bugeye, As our Friend Tanya would say it's in pristine and Mint Condition.

I know you thought about listing it on ebay but Thanks so much for giving it to me for FREE. What a true friend you are. I wished there were more people like you.

If ever you ever need anything please let me know.

Tom you have really proven yourself to me what a fellow club member is all about. Like you say we are in this club to help our fellow club members and you sure have helped me numerious times for sure

Thanks Again

Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Wednesday, November 03, 2004 at 20:06:55 (MST)

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To Mark:

I forgot to mention that sniping can backfire on the sniper. The sniper has no idea what the high bidder's maximum bid was. We'll use the following example:

a Hoover ad, after a bidding war, shows a high bid of $20. The sniper really wants this rare ad - and has 'robobidder' bid his max of $100 at the last second - thinking he'll 'trump' the ad for $21. The previous high bidder's unshown max was $90 - so the sniper wins the auction for $91 - far more than the sniper expected. Many times, people who snipe and then are shocked by the actual winning bid - fail to pay.

Another problem is if the high bidder (who has a max. of $90) isn't outbid by the sniper. Ten seconds before the end, the showing high bid is $20. Sniper bids $89 at the last seconds - and high bidder (who thought he would win for $20) suddenly has to pay $90 for the ad because of the sniper.

These are reasons people can get really, really mad at snipers. Snipers say "it's an auction and this is America". There's no real answer - but you can see how friendships can be torn apart by eBay. This usually happens to auctions for rare items that many people highly desire.

tom g.
USA - Wednesday, November 03, 2004 at 07:19:18 (MST)

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To Mark Goodall:

Sniping is when an ebay user bids at the last seconds of an auction. This can be done manually, or through the use of a service (like Bidsniper.com).

What happens is this:

we'll use an example of an Air-Way Twin Motor upright. Let's say it's a 5 day auction and someone has bid it up to $200. The 'sniper' waits until the last few seconds and then outbids the high bidder. This prevents a bidding 'war', and the previous high bidder, who thinks he has all but won the item, it outbid at the last second. The 'sniper' MUST place a bid HIGH ENOUGH to overcome the previous high bidder's maximum bid. In our example, let's say the previous high bidder has bid it up to $200 with a maximum bid of $250. The sniper must bid approx. $300 as his high bid so that he can overcome the previous high bidder's maximum of $250, with the sniper winning the auction for $251.

This kind of thing makes a lot of people very mad at the sniper since they've had the high bid for sometimes days at a time and may have engaged in a bidding 'war' with someone else to become the high bidder.

Yes, by the way, Hand Cleaner refers to a hand held vacuum. Singer never made attachments for their cleaners for the first 20 years of manufacture, so if you bought a Singer R-1 for example, you would also buy a Singer Hand Cleaner for use above the floor.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Tuesday, November 02, 2004 at 10:35:12 (MST)

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I have been reading the posts. I am an infrequent ebay browser. At risk of sounding uninformed (or worse) --- what is sniping?

mark goodall
Omaha, USA - Tuesday, November 02, 2004 at 07:10:06 (MST)

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I was just given the following, in the original box: Sprayer for Model H-3 Singer Hand cleaner No. 964873.

Is a "Hand Cleaner" a hand held vac?

mark goodall
Omaha, USA - Tuesday, November 02, 2004 at 07:02:08 (MST)

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I was QUITE dismayed to discover that a non-member of the VCCC has made his way into this forum and posted a message, AGAINST Forum rules.

May I please remind everyone that per forum regulations and VCCC Board rules, the forum is ONLY open to "dues-paid members in good standing."

Please refer to this page:

http://www.vaccc.com/membersonly/forum.html

The fact that this person has managed to do so means that someone else has "shared" their username and password --- which also is CLEARLY against Club rules.

Folks, these guidelines were not put into place without good reason. PLEASE do not presume to break them.

If we find out who has shared their information with the unauthorized poster, their access to the site will be cut off. And if any more unauthorized posts issue, the Forum will be shut down until we can change the passwords and usernames.

Believe me, I do not want to do this. I do not have time to do this. It really pisses me off that I am having to once again play "the bad evil control issues queen" --- and I am sure the usual smart comments will ensue from those who REALLY have the control issues ... but are only interested in "controlling" from the sidelines and not really getting involved in things in a meaningful or helpful way.

But that's my job. Like it or not. If someone else wants to assume the (largely thankless) job of webmaster, and deal with all these "ISSUE-laden people," by all means, I'll be glad to pass the baton. From what I hear, people are complaining about the site not being updated anyway, and I don't blame them. It has not been updated. But that's not ENTIRELY my fault.

Anyway, end of rant. But I am just reminding everyone that I do have authority granted by the Board to pull the plug on this forum at the first blush of things getting out of hand, and believe me I WILL NOT hesitate to do so.

I have removed the unauthorized post and in doing so have noticed that some of the page code has gotten goofed up. Yes, I see all the little funny "Y" thingies all over the place but I can't stop to fix it now. It's a complicated issue related to HTML intrepretation incompatibilities between some web browser programs and some HTML authoring programs. Sorry, you'll just have to overlook the flotsam for the time being.

And now, back to my too-busy life.......

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Hello all,,

As I am new to the group, I thought I would send a message to say howdy, and thank you for letting me join your club I have quite a few vacuums, both here and in storage back in missouri. And am currently going over each machine to rebuild it, or bring it up to good condition. I have chatted with a few of the members online, and also go an a few "road trips" with my friend Marty,also a member (that guy can find anything!)Its very hard to name a favorite vacuum, as I saw many as I was growing up. I keep seeing vacuums on ebay and in thrift shops that I just cant leave alone,and I drag them home to the shop. Does this group ever post a sale and trade column? Thanks again! Victor

Victor Lee
Cathedral City, CA USA - Saturday, October 30, 2004 at 00:41:48 (MDT)

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Hello everyone-

I'm new to the forum and club so I thought I'd just drop a note...

I've been a collector and restorer for a while now, mostly Electrolux and a Hoover here and there. I know a few of you through email correspondence.

I enjoy reading the forum postings and taking in new information.

If there's anyone out there that has a model XXX suction reducer they would like to part with... or knows where I can find one... drop me an email.

Thanks much!

Matt Straub
Harrisburg, PA USA - Friday, October 29, 2004 at 21:27:53 (MDT)

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Fred Nelson,

I could not agree with you more, the Classic III is a beautiful machine, and is my favorite of that series. My Aunt Jan in Michigan had one new back about 1977, and I loved visiting her house and running that Kirby.

I'll be in touch sometime next week, once month-end is over at work. Its hard to believe its been a month since we were at your house for dinner!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Friday, October 29, 2004 at 15:36:21 (MDT)

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P.S. - Regarding our new member Greg (a.k.a gansky1) - he is restoring a VERY RARE Maytag combination Washer/Dryer from the 60s I believe. This appears to be very similar to the one Lisa Douglas had in her kitchen in Green Acres. Alas, it is not pink, but perhaps the next best thing - yellow. He is doing a fabulous job of restoring it. No easy task, given the fact that parts are no longer available. Check it out on Classicappliances.com. That along with his Frigidaires and other great machines.

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Friday, October 29, 2004 at 13:37:08 (MDT)

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One ringy dingy . . . Gracious good afternoon Jeff. That Classic III is indeed correct. I have had both the earlier version you speak of and currently have the one shown in the auction. I do believe that I have seen that particular machine in person. You see that it is in Chicago? Give me a call and I will fill you in. Call me nuts, but that is one of my favorite Kirbys. The one I have was bought new up on Milwaukee Ave in 1976. Not used much and then sent back to factory for a $32.50 complete rebuild. I'll show it to you the next time you are here. They added the Legend II paper bag assembly. With the newer brush roll, all together, not a bad machine.

To Greg Nunn:

Welcome to the forum!! This forum does not see anywhere near the chat that the Classic Appliances forum sees, but then, it is locked down. Thanks for all your help with the KitchenAid KDI-14P. I still haven't got it to work, but was planning on it being a winter project. I bought the portable KitchenAid Electra from Chris in St. Louis. Had a leak, but I was able to fix it. He included a drain valve for the KDI-14, but it was a manual drain valve. When I finally get that valve off, I am hoping that with the manual valve, I will be able to get the pump valve to work, but, if not, may convert the machine to a manual drain. I appreciate all your help with it and may call upon you to help again. If you get to Chicago, give me a call, you can see them in person and if I get to Omaha, I will definitely stop in to see your fabulous collection of vintage machines!

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Friday, October 29, 2004 at 13:06:23 (MDT)

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I had a look at that Kirby this morning, while it looks very nice, I question its "new-ness"

On the one pic that almost shows the whole machine from the front, it shows the cord/bag hook attached to the side of the upper handle. This is wrong for the Classic III, as originally those cleaners has that uncomfortable triangular handle grip, with the cord/bag hood attaching to the back of the grip. The machine on Ebay appears to have the bag hook on the side of the handle, something I thought did not begin until the Tradition model.

just my 2 cents worth...

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Friday, October 29, 2004 at 12:08:38 (MDT)

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My Dearest Charlie,

As you know I challenged our eBay seller to not only explain how he came to such an outrageous starting bid for a 28 y/o Kirby, but how can you tell us its "brand new" when the machine was manufactured 28 years ago. This was his responce this morning:

"For your information it is brand new in the box and I also have 10-20 of them. If you would like to ask me a question, make it a reasonable one. Thank You - Have a Great Day"

I can't wait for his responce to my retort. I'll pass that on to the Forum when I get it back from him.

Best Wishes

Michael

Michael
New York, NY USA - Friday, October 29, 2004 at 10:06:00 (MDT)

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To illistrate the insanity of ebay as discussed in earlier posts, you MUST check out this listing!

Ebay #4333330590--a Kirby Classic III

Don't get me wrong, I like the Classic III as much as anyone, as I owned a near mint one at one time and sold it to a customer.

Tonight, (Thursday), due to the curtesey of Fred Nelson and his Ma Bell swithboard, he, Michael LaBue, Tania Voigt and I discussed the postings here and this new discovery found by none other than Michael LaBue.

Talk about greed run amok! Of course all it takes is one bidder. But one must wonder if the opening bid is that amount, what is the reserve?

We think we know who this seller is and words could never even begin to describe this seller's craziness/delusional thinking.

P.T. Barnum said there is one born every second---let's who comes along for this one! (TeeHee!)

Best wishes to all.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 20:12:24 (MDT

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I agree with both Tom and Charlie's postings re: ebay. This kind of thing, along with a laundry list of what I will call "vacuum insanity" is what has made me want to become distanced from the club. It is why I chose not to run again as President as there were times my opinion was asked and it would have been disruptive for me to give ANY opinion.

I totally understand why people change their bidding names. Case in point: about 2 years ago I won an auction on some kind of vacuum memorabilia and the following day, I had an email from a high profile member saying something to the effect of, "I can't believe you spent that much money for that item."

Then I realized, like Charlie said, that I was being watched and my bidding/spending habits were being reviewed. Talk about "Big Brother". And this was by my supposed vac colleagues! I can't imagine "spying" on another members bidding.

I have never understood why it is anyone's business as to what a person would buy or sell on ebay other than the parties involved.

Board member Fred Nelson and I have discussed this many times. He belongs to an appliance club that is probably 5 times the size of our club and they actually HELP each other find things on ebay and rejoice when a member gets a vintage appliance as it is then saved! It seems some vac people rejoice in "stealing" something from someone else--at times anyway. Sort of a, "I gotcha and now you can't have it!"

I think the whole ebay buying/selling will be a bone of contention for some for some time to come. I have changed my name for one major reason: when I list something, invaribly, someone I know will email me and ask if I would like to do a private sale thus defeating the whole purpose of the capitalism of ebay. Then I am put on the spot because of my involvement with the club. Now how unfair is that to me? Plus it makes me feel badly when I have to say nnnooo!

I have sniped once and let me tell you, I heard about it forever and still do. Now I am more of a seller than buyer and all that has been discussed has driven me away from vac collecting on some level.

As Charlie says, that is my two cents. Please don't interpret this as negativity, but rather honesty on my part. Thanks.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Thursday, October 28, 2004 at 08:57:46 (MDT)

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re eBay ... [which has been discussed here before, and has often deteriorated into contentiousness, so let's be on our guard here.......]

eBay is a double-edged sword. Those who have been around a while know some of the very hard feelings I have harbored against certain fellow collectors who are CHRONIC snipers (one in particular, to this very day -- changing eBay usernames every so often thinking people aren't on to HER).

However, I have come to realize that there are instances when a snipe might be the way to go --- e.g. the RARE time when a machine comes along that you've been looking for since you were 3 years old, you know, the sweeper that the nice lady next door had ---- and now, here's one on eBay "brand new in the box untouched by human hands since it left the factory."

Perhaps it's a machine of some offbeat or odd make that other collectors would generally not have a lot of interest in. But you can bet your bottom dollar the minute you place a bid on it, a half-dozen "MeeeeToooo'ers" will come scampering in to bid on it, just because it is there and suddenly they can't live without it.

There are actually collectors who have bookmarked other ebay users' profile pages to keep an eye on what they are bidding on, as another way to find stuff ... in addition to sitting in front of their computer hours and hours each day endlessly trolling the search pages.......

The way to avoid this is to wait and bid at the last few minutes or seconds of the auction. That way, no one knows you're looking; if someone checks your "items I'm bidding on" page, all they'll see is the crotchless panties that you're bidding on for your neighbor ("right!").

I used to be 100% against sniping, until I got hit "with the other edge of the sword" one too many times -- e.g., not necessarily getting sniped but seeing the "MeeeTooo'ers" running in to bid against me ---- most times not exceeding my bid but just pushing it up.

So, yes, I admit it ....... I have, very infrequently, sniped an occasional auction --- always with reluctance and a tinge of remorse. The fact that I feel so badly when I do do it is enough to keep me from becoming like ... well, "you know whom" ....... [She must have a half-dozen silos full of s#!t by now.]

I will say this much .... I will NOT bid against another collector whose ebay username I recognize. Well, I take that back. I did it once; however, I emailed that person first and said, "You know, I really do want that SuperSuckerDeluxe you've bid on ..... would you forgive me if I snipe it?" And of course the person replied very graciously.

Other than that, I figure, I have far too many machines already; if something comes up, most likely I already have one anyway and if someone else has bid on it, then let them have it. Unlike some people, I don't need three dozen specimens of every machine (or a hundred copies of every instruction book, pamphlet, ad or display piece). One of each is enough, these days.

Well, that is, except for one machine, my beloved Electrolux Model E, and one accessory, the air-powered floor polisher of which I will never have "too many" of. They are just too special to me. But even at that, I have really restrained myself. Lately, there have been several fairly nice Es, and at least a dozen polishes, that I have refrained from bidding on, in some cases because someone else, whom I recognized, had bid on them. This, to me, is not only being sane, but is also being "a gentleman."

Short point made too long ...

The POINT IS, there will always be the Snipers and the MeeeeTooo'ers ruining eBay for everyone else ..... those of us who just want to occasionally pick up a nice machine on eBay at a FAIR PRICE will, ultimately, have to play dirty just like everyone else -- or pay the price for being Mr. Nice Guy.

I agree with Tom that eBay has corrupted a lot of people -- and ruined a lot of friendships -- because of GREED.

I wish it did not have to be so.

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CALIFORNIA United States - Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 13:54:23 (MDT)

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Hi everyone I'm Brian, and I'm new to the club..I have loved hoover vacuum cleaners my entire life, especially those from the later 1960's to mid 70's..I own about 12 vacuums, and I used to work in a vacuum repair shop from 1985 to 1990..I love hearing from others who share my intrest in these machines..I'am looking for a hood for my model 707..The one that I have is cracked..Does anyone know where I can find one?? Please let me know..Thank you..

Brian Fuss
Bethel Park, Pa USA - Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 19:39:07 (MDT)

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Hey!

Well, i guess if you all would like to know my ebay ID is Gothicvac...formerly Kirbyvacguy06. Some of you probably have seen those names, and feel free to bid against me...I wont mind...thats the game of Ebay i guess. Just thought you all should know!

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 19:23:39 (MDT)

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To Skip Aultman:

Ebay has made friends into enemies. Most vacuum collectors go on ebay to aquire machines for their collections - however, the transactions themselves and the way club members conduct themselves can be 'deadly' to friendships.

Some club member will bid on a vacuum they want, even if another club member is bidding on it. They reason "I'm a collector too" and will spend any amount to get the item (some club members have VERY deep pockets).

Sometimes club members will 'snipe' an auction by using Robobidder or Bidsniper or whatever. In these cases, especially if other club members have already placed bids on an item, it can be a very sore spot with regard to club members relationships with each other. I'll never forget the first time something I had bid on and watched for a week was 'sniped' by a club member whom I thought was a friend. I was so mad. Yet, sniping is something that can and is accepted as a part of ebay. After all, this IS an AUCTION.

I was mad and hurt, and didn't speak to this person (whom I considered a good friend) for over two years. Terrible thing to happen, yet I was extremely hurt by the 'snipe'. I've since learned how to snipe too. I just don't do it.

Sometimes, a club member will bid on another member's auction and get in a bidding war with another club member. Had this happen recently. The winning bidder had buyer's remorse and actually got mad at ME because he bid so much. I had nothing to do with the amount he bid, but today we are bitter enemies. He holds it against me that he had to pay so much. I was just the seller.

I agree totally with you that club members shouldn't bid against each other. Friendships are hard to come by in this world, and there are damn few vacuum collectors around. I don't know what the answer is - there will always be those (like you) who are respectfull of other members and will not bid against them. There will always be members who do not care - it's an auction and they are free to bid what they want. I don't know what the answer is but I hate to see eBay tear the club apart. And all over vacuum cleaners, which are meaningless in the grand design of life.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Tuesday, October 26, 2004 at 15:39:54 (MDT)

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Hi guys, just a quick and rather harried reminder that security is an ever-present issue with this site.

(I am going to try to post this reminder at least monthy, for as long as I keep getting suspicious-sounding queries about the secure area of the site.)

I continue to receive suspicious or strange queries from people who are not on the membership list asking for their site usernames and passwords. Some of these proved to be legit ... and some did not ... like the guy who emailed to inform me, "Hello, my username is '#######' -- please email me my password." I know that the username he provided is not legit ---- so it's obvious that someone is trying to sneak in through the side door.

So, here's just a reminder that we MUST remain ever cautious and vigilant on this issue, lest our "kindler, gentler" forum deteriorate and self-destruct the way that all the others have due to childish trouble-makers.

If anyone asks you to "borrow" your username and password, or is just "curious" to know what they are, DO NOT divulge this information, and please immediately inform me, RJ, Dave Olsen or Ken Wagman about this.

Thank you, and now, back to my hectic life.......

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, CA USA - Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 23:26:23 (MDT)

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Hi all - I'm new to the forum after some prodding from Terry Latz and Scott Onasch. I'm having a great time reading previous postings and learning a lot. I have a small collection of vacuums and a collection of major appliances; washers, dryers, dishwashers, etc. from the late 40's through the present. My laundry collection was featured this last Spring on the HGTV show "Hey Remember" and a local TV news program last month.

I had the pleasure of viewing the DVD of the last vac convention this summer - it looked like everyone had a great time. My vac collection consists mostly of Hoover uprights and Electrolux canister vacs although I found a brand new Sunbeam upright vac and round suction-only vac, both in the boxes at an estate sale a few weeks ago. I know the upright was Singer made, was the canister as well? I also picked up a supply of bags for both. I'm not very interested in keeping these so if anyone is interested in them, please let me know. I only have so much room and with 20+ washers and dryers, I have to be choosy about what I keep!

I just wanted to say Hi and introduce myself and I look forward to getting to know everyone.

Take care - Greg Nunn, Omaha, NE

Greg Nunn
Omaha, NE USA - Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 21:25:30 (MDT)

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Hello All!

Does anyone have a DS80 bag they wish to sell? I just got a DS80 (FINALLY) but it doesnt have an orignal bag. Though it has the original bag for the Sanitronic 562-50

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 20:18:45 (MDT)

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I was presented with a similar piece of furniture (off white vinyl, decorative buttons and tacks - lovely - smile)---with a Kenmore Rocket in it. I can't find a brand and it appears to be a generic piece furniture to hide a vacuum cleaner. There is a flap for hose and there are bands under the lid to hold tools.

mark goodall
Omaha, USA - Thursday, October 21, 2004 at 10:04:05 (MDT)

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skip,

my ebay handle is dynaflow

ron

ron d jones
rockingham, NC USA - Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 17:20:17 (MDT)

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Hello everyone,

I recently came across a rather odd find. A vacuum cleaner inside a ottoman. At first i walked right by what i thought was a green vinyl foot stool but my friend Victor saw a tag taped to it that said " vacuum $15.00" We lifted the lid and lo and behold a vacuum cleaner is integrated inside the ottoman. the hose and cord wrap inside and the attachments and three wands fit into the lid. It is called a Decorvac. Made in Richmond VA by NAP co. National American Products Co. It came with a package of genuine Decorvac bags. It has pretty strong suction too. Suction only machine. Does anyone know about these? RJ or Tom G. have you heard of these vacuums? It's so odd i am going to bring it to LA in June.

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 16:21:27 (MDT)

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Welcome Duane,

It is good to know more people in WI that belong to the club. It is a great group of people and I am sure you will add even more knowledge about vacuums and their history along with repair tips.

Benton is in the very southren tip of Wisconsin right on the Ill and Ia border. I have heard of West Bend but would have to look at the map to locate it. Close to Dubuque Ia, Platteville and about and hour south of Madison.

Again, Welcome.

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 05:34:22 (MDT)

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Hi to all members,

I am a new member and I would like to introduce myself to you. My name is Duane Taylor. I have been in the vacuum cleaner business for over 30 years. In the last 15 years, I have become interested in collecting old vacuum cleaners and I have over 50 models displayed at my vacuum cleaner store. I also have a shop at home with many old vacuums and parts that you may be interested in trading or inquiring about. I will be looking forward to hearing from you and meeting you in the near future.

Duane Taylor
West Bend , wi USA - Monday, October 18, 2004 at 20:32:47 (MDT)

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Hi To All:

I have to ask you'll what you'll think of my idea about ebay. I have this thing about not bidding against my friends or fellow members of the VCCC. I just wanted some input as to how you'll feel about this.

I have an agreement with some members on this and I think we should all know each others ebay name as not to bid against each other.

there are some members who I have no contact with what so ever that I know there ebay names and don't bid against them but I do except the same in return.

By the way my ebay name is Honest_skip. I know Tom Gasko's, Evan Rodgers, Fred Nelson's,Mike Pletcher's, Stan Hagan's, Mike Labue's, Charlie WAltrus's,John Young's, Fred Stachnik's,Marty Rocha's, Ken Smith's, Robert Azars's, Charlie lester's,Robb Castaldo's,Chad Cunningham's,Mike Hays's,Caryl McCain's,Bernie Mehlbaum's, RJ Vanik's, and ken wagman's ebay names but would like to know all of you'll ebay names I wouldn't want to bid against you'll.

My only problem for me is I don't believe in placing an early bid because I find it drives the bid up so I do bid at the very end usually and I do use my bidnapper alot.

I was thinking that I good way for all of us to know about what we are going to bid on would be maybe to write to the forum a simple note that I'm going to bid on this certain auction, so we know what that member is going to bid on.

Please you'll give me some feedback on this so I know how you'll feel about this.

Thanks for your cooperation

Happying vacuuming Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Monday, October 18, 2004 at 15:09:28 (MDT)

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Model G update: The manager of a local thrift Shop run by volunteers to support an in patient psychiartic facility for adolescent girls gave me the Model G (see post below) because it didn't work and she knows I make stuff with them (also, I am a booster for them). Anyway, I noted it had a new bag and little suction. I inserted the hose backward, heard it clear its throat, and it worked great after. In fact, I have a young deaf cat that likes being vacuumed but found the Model G suction a bit much. The thrift shop was embarrassed and delighted when I returned it. It had been their main cleaning machine. S'pose y'all get these stories all the time.

mark goodall
Omaha, USA - Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 10:57:42 (MDT)

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Tom,

Thanks for the information.

David

David Watters
Denver, CO USA - Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 07:36:32 (MDT)

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To Mark Goodall:

Thank you so much for the Fairfax parts. I really appreciate them. The Electrolux you have was a rebuild. Made at the same time as the Olympia One (which is why it's the same brown color). Electrolux donated many rebuilt canisters and new Heavy Duty Automatic uprights (before the Discovery II) to charitable organizations. There was one of those model G's at the GoodWill I used to haunt, looking for old cleaners to buy. It wasn't for sale, as it was donated to them. Would have loved to have had it. The reason the back end of your machine is a different color, is that was the original color before rebuilding, and all Electrolux did was put that cord winder on the painted body, without painting the rear end. That was a common thing on the rebuilds they donated. If you don't want the machine, I know of a good home for it. (smile).

To David Watters:

That's my Coronado. It was really a Kingston, just as the Firestone was really a Kingston. Coronado was the private labeled name for machines sold at Gimbels department store. Kingston private labeled a lot of machine. The Coronado is one of my favorite tanks, very quiet. It did very well in the cleaning contest, losing by only .1 ounces of dirt. The machine resembles a Eureka tank, but it isn't. The handle/switch give it away as a Kingston (as do the tools).

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Friday, October 15, 2004 at 11:52:10 (MDT)

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Dear gang:

The Air-Way company put a man in touch with me that has 3 model 66's that he would like to find homes for. They are more parts machines than anything else and the guy just wants to be paid for the shipping if anyone is interested.

I told him I would post here with his email and phone and maybe someone would contact him. I don't know the man. Again, Air-Way referred him to me after he called them.

His name: Rick Becker, email: vze42yrp@verizon.com and his cell phone is 978-337-9009.

I hope everyone is doing well and best wishes. Kudos to Louis on the newsletter! I didn't get my issue until Friday of last week and was going nuts after reading and hearing so much about it. It was well worth the wait.

Charlie W.
Charlotte, USA - Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 15:51:31 (MDT)

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Was given a brown/tan (Automatic) Model G today, no p/n, no attachments. Just canister and hose. At back end, the ribbed plate is turquoise for some reason. There is a sticker on the side with the legend "Donated by Electrolux Corp. Not for Resale."

Mark Goodall
Omaha, USA - Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 12:49:19 (MDT)

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We have two members who are currently "missing" - If anyone has contact with either Mike Herrold or Lisa Rawlings (mother of Jake) please have them contact Dave Olsen AND myself with their current addresses. Their newsletters were returned as undeliverable, and when I tried to send them emails for updated info, both of those came back as undeliverable. Lets hope they haven't been abducted by aliens......

R, J, Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 00:05:03 (MDT)

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WOW!!!

I got my newsletter finally and it is really great. How I wish I was there, and maybe some day I will again.

I have a question though on page 10 there is a tan vacuum, tank, with chrome, what is it? Many years ago I had asked the club to find that same vac because I had one as a child, it was my parents/grandparents. Ours was green and chrome just like the tan one on page ten. I found a book at Micheal Pletchers home it was a Firestone. If I remember correctly. I hope you can tell me about this machine and who brought it.

David

David Watters
Denver, CO USA - Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 22:15:08 (MDT)

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Hi,Everyone

I just read the news letter and it was GREAT!

Great job Louis!

Russ Meninno

Russ Meninno
Easton, Ma. USA - Monday, October 11, 2004 at 06:03:04 (MDT)

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Hello All,

I have moved to a one bedroom apartment from a 5 bedroom home. It is a big adjustment and I am getting better. The sad thing is I have not recieved my newsletter, I think becuase of the mail change in address I have not gotten it. Oh well it may still come yet.

My new address is, for those who would like it is: David Watters 5170 East Asbury Ave. #202, Denver Colorado, 80222. My new phone number is 303-691-8933. From what I hear from you all and Clay Floyd the news letter is outstanding and can't wait to see it.

Because of my smaller place my vacs are being stored at a friends home in Loveland which as a about 45 miles north of Denver so I dont get to use then as often, I do have about 6 with me here in the place, at least my favorites.

Take care all and hope you are all well.

David Watters

David Watters
Denver, CO USA - Friday, October 08, 2004 at 05:51:07 (MDT)

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Hi To All:

I have to add my two cents in also. The newsletter is the best yet. Louis you did a fanastic job I must say. The pictures are picture perfect.

I still read it everyday and just glow at the pictures and I have to say there are some really nice vacuums in this issue.

Well Tom at least now I really see what you look like. Again youi are such a great friend.

Again Louis Thanks for a great job

Happy vacuuming Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, LA USA - Thursday, October 07, 2004 at 20:31:35 (MDT)

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Louis,

Let me echo the praise! Excellent job on the newsletter!

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Thursday, October 07, 2004 at 09:39:29 (MDT)

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got my news letter today my eyes are sore from going cover to cover, what a WONDERFUL issue, u can tell a lot of time and effort went into putting it together thanks lewis

ron d jones
rockingham, nc USA - Wednesday, October 06, 2004 at 21:32:31 (MDT)

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Hello forum,

I received the VCCC newsletter on Monday, and I must say, it is FABULOUS! The color photos were a nice touch.

My hat's off to Louis R. for doing another great job on this newsletter.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Wednesday, October 06, 2004 at 20:20:40 (MDT)

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To Mark Goodall:

I could sure use the red bumper for a Fairfax. I have a nice machine with no bumper and would much appreciate it. my email is dysonman1@hotmail.com

To Chuck C.:

Andy came to see me before he went for the photo shoot, as he wanted to borrow some of my vintage cleaners to help make the photo look good. I was particularly delighted by the way my Rexair model B looked in the story. Andy sure has come a long way from the little boy we all came to like at his first meeting back in 1999. He's all grown up and ready to start his own vac shop.

I'm very lucky that he and I became such good friends - I get to see him once every few months when he makes the trek from Springfield (by Branson) all the way to St. Louis. I'm going to drag him to the next meeting in L.A. by hook or by crook. He's still in college right now, but next summer he'll have the whole summer off.

To Pan Evans:

I sent out Greg's birthday present today. You should have it in time for his birthday on Friday. I sent the Constellation with hose, telescopic wand, and new rug nozzle, together with a dolly, hose cord, and complete set of attachments for the Rainbow that Jeff Parker gave to Greg at the last meeting. There's another Rainbow hose in there for use with the attachments and for wet pickup so you don't have to use the hose with the cord on it (the hose you use with the power nozzle). Also, you told me that Greg now has an Electrolux, so I sent a new bag, two wands, and rug/floor tool for the Electrolux. Hope he has a great birthday and enjoys his presents. Please post a note to tell us all how he likes them.

To Louis R.:

GREAT JOB my friend on the newsletter. You get better and better with each one. Thank you for all your hard work on behalf of our club. You are very much appreciated.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Wednesday, October 06, 2004 at 15:19:55 (MDT)

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Hi Member,

I am looking someone who have Rexair Model 3 because My Rexair Model 3's Paints is all gone by Rusted and I have no samples of 2 colors and Logo top of Cap and I have no motor inside at all I have no idea what is looks like. I really need some help information and take some photo email to me so I can restores it. I did tried email or call to Michael Pletcher he have 3 of them. He won't answer to me anything . Can anyone help me many thanks

Joseph Falsetta
San Diego, CA USA - Wednesday, October 06, 2004 at 12:36:52 (MDT)

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........ They say the mind is the first thing to go !!!! I ment to say the "October" issue of the magazine

"what-a-world...what-a-world"

(I may just be on a Bosch high.)

Chuck

Chuck Chatham
USA - Tuesday, October 05, 2004 at 19:00:01 (MDT)

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What a nice surprise yesterday!! I recieved the September issue of "Floor Care Professional", and on the front cover is club member, Andy Weter. He is shown with a few of his vintage vacuums, and there is a very nice article, suggesting how a display of vintage vacuums in current vacuum shops, helps to increase sales. The article is well written, and makes valid points. The photos of Andy, and has cleaners are fantastic.

GEEE, this litle club sure has had a good relationship with the media. Keep up the "good looks" guys.

Best to everyone..... Chuck

Chuck Chatham
Lock Haven, Pa USA - Tuesday, October 05, 2004 at 18:55:47 (MDT)

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Hey!

I received the newsletter today! It was well worth the wait! Thanks, Louis, for doing a fantastic job again! ((I can't believe how clear the color pictures came out!))

Fred Stachnik
Glendale, WI USA - Tuesday, October 05, 2004 at 15:34:46 (MDT)

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Anyone need a red cord (three prongs) and/or red bumper for a FairFax? My compliments.

mark goodall
Omaha, USA - Monday, October 04, 2004 at 15:03:48 (MDT)

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Hey!

Anyone have a Blue Royal Cord? I believe my aunt needs one for her Royal 886F. It doesnt need to be mint or new, just usable. One of her prongs came off...I wish she took better care of it! Oh well!

James Wyrembelski
beaverton, MI USA - Saturday, October 02, 2004 at 22:47:52 (MDT)

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Hi Pam:

I can tell you all about your Premier Duplex. First, I want to mention that I did receive an envelope from you, however, it was just the envelope and the tan-color card, no check. Please write to me at Dysonman1@hotmail.com or call me at work (636-937-1001). I know Greg's birthday is coming up and we do want to get his present out to you.

The Premier was made by the General Electric Company, it was one of the two 'names' that they put on cleaners (GE was the other), and they sold them in two separate types of stores in the mid 20's through late 50's. General Electric stores got GE's and Vac Shops got Premier's.

An old style Royal metal upright belt will work on that model. The ball bearings are most likely dry, and that's why the motor is locked up. However, it's rare that the armature is bad, so a simple replacement of the bearings will make this VERY good vacuum work again. Many of the 'old timers' in the club (like my best friend, Clay Floyd) worked on GE's and Premier's exclusively in the 50's and 60's and are quite familiar with the inner workings. I'm sure one of them would be delighted to restore the Premier for you.

Don't throw it away, even if Greg doesn't have an interest in it. Many of us who are into vintage machines would love to have it.

Tom Gasko

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Saturday, October 02, 2004 at 12:17:37 (MDT)

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Gregory recieved a gift yesterday of a very old vacuum. I was wondering if any of you would know anything about it. It is a "Premier Duplex". It has a swivel caster on it, a beater bar and a primitive vacuum headlight. A woman in her 70's was cleaning out a barn and this belonged to her grandmother who passed away in 1946. There is a tag for the serial and model number which are both blank, which seems unusual since the other information is stamped on it. It is in relatively good shape considering it has been in a barn since 1946!! My husband said the motor is locked up and it has a hole in the bag.

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Any information would be appreciated!!

Ron Jones....thank you for the convention pictures that you sent to us!!

Pam Evans
USA - Thursday, September 30, 2004 at 10:43:27 (MDT)

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Hi To All:

Well I had a very pleasant suprise today, My Remoco from the Uk came in today. It is all original except for the hose. It was replaced with a hoover constellion hose. There is one wand missing and the crevice tool and Dusting brush as well. I'm not compl;aining at all.

The sellers shipped it thru DHL and they shipped it after 4:00PM there time Monday and it was delivered to me today at 12:00PM. DHL told the sellers It probably wouldn't get to me until at least 30 days.

It runs like a top and really does a super job of cleaning. I haved a transformer from Radio shack and that how I run my UK vacs.

It is in near mint condition no dings or dents at all. There is a very small chip just below the switch but you have to look hard to see it.

So now my hunt is on for a wilfa.

Happy Vacuuming

Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Wednesday, September 29, 2004 at 23:21:35 (MDT)

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Tom,

You mentioned at the convention that there would be a new Dyson model with an electric powerhead coming out the fall as well. Any word as to when. And will it have the aggressive brush as well.

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 18:24:16 (MDT)

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To Jeff Parker:

Yes, the DC14 is a really nice Dyson. It's certainly an upgrade from the DC07. You are one of the very few people who will understand this analogy:

The DC07 Dyson is a Hoover 105

The DC14 Dyson is a Hoover 541

The DC15 (coming in December) is the Hoover 700.

There were only six years between the 105 and 700. The 105 and 541 had the same motor and brush roller design, with 541 having many more convenience features. The 700's motor and brush were redesigned.

Dyson is doing the same thing. His DC07 set the standard (as did Hoover 105). The DC14, just launched, is way more convenient with a better and much improved hose as well as bin capacity. The DC15 (to be launched soon) is the one to wait for. It will clean every bit as well as the Hoover Concept One, with an extremely aggressive agitator. Made just for American carpets, and will be sold no where else in the world (unlike other Dyson models which are world wide).

To Joe F.:

My friend and fellow club member Mike Pletcher had the second model 3 Rexair I ever saw. The first was owned by the Rainbow distributor from St. Louis. He retired in 1980. Mike Pletcher's model 3's (he has three of them when I talked to him last about two months ago) range from good, to fair, to poor condition. But they all have all their paint. Only one runs well. The only place the word REXAIR appeared was on top, and it was a standard block printed word, together withj "model 3" and the patent numbers. Nothing else. Not even the volts and watts and amps. Nothing. Perhaps this was because it was a war time machine, and was intended to be sold only to the United States government and a very few to be sold on doctor's prescriptions. No consumer goods were available in the U.S. during the war.

tom gasko
park hills, mo USA - Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 11:04:57 (MDT)

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Hi Tom Gasko

I Just got the Rexair Model 3 It's really Amazing. It's not really good shape because all paints are gone nothing left all Rusts. I found little spot of blue and yellow in underneath I'm going to restores it. There was no motor...I am looking for replace Original Motor. I lost the logo on the top handle nothing all came off if possible make copy from other owner of model 3. I can put back orginal logo . Water Basin bottom is all holes. I can't put water because rusts are eating up the metal.. big holes. If you want see the photo let me know I can send you email.

Joseph Falsetta
Ca USA - Monday, September 27, 2004 at 22:02:29 (MDT)

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Fred,

Lowering the brush roll on my Royal markedly improved its performance, it gets up the dog hair, leaves a nice track, and I can raise the height adjustment one notch, so its not smashed into the carpeting. I've always liked the vacuum lines, too bad they don't stay around too long! I know what you mean about the wheel marks from the self-propelled models too. I tried both a Concept and my Windtunnel.

The canisters work well, but I have to be honest. I don't feel like I've vacuumed unless I've used a center suction, dirty fan upright.

Yes, I will be seeing you soon, I'll call one night this week.

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Sunday, September 26, 2004 at 21:24:19 (MDT)

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Hey Jeff - Congratulations on your new carpeting. I experienced the same thing when I bought a deep plush carpet a few years ago. The uprights seem to bog down in them. When vacuuming a plush carpet, I like to brush up the nap and not leave tracks. There is no question that a canister with the right power nozzle is the way to go. I have plush here in St. Charles but it is not that deep. I have been restoring a Dial Power Drive and it seems to leave too many tracks both from the rear wheels as well as the power drive wheels. The 69 convertible and my small head Kirbys work OK on this type of plush but it is not that deep. Try a Kirby out - the one with the wide wheels if you really want to use an upright. I tend to be AC DC with the uprights and cannisters - It depends on my mood. Hope to see you soon?

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Sunday, September 26, 2004 at 19:45:28 (MDT)

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Charlie,

With regards to the Dimension bags, on one of my annual trips to N. Canton to visit Tom we stopped in a Goodwill store and I found a case of Type M bags. These are the older still made by Hoover ones, as the ones currently being sold are not. The paper is different, and in use in my home they work quite well.

I've been using my canisters more since the new carpeting was installed. I goofed in a way, because the carpeting I bought came in three grades. I didn't realize when I ordered the "supreme" grade that I'd be getting 3/8" thick pile. My 1070 hot-rod Convertible just sinks into the pile set on normal, and skips across the surface set on high. Same story with my Sanitaire. My Royal does much better since I turned the brush roll ends to position 2, however it still sinks into the pile too much. The canisters that seem to perform best.

I've never tried a Filter Queen, but I'm thinking I may get an Air-Way Sani Clean. I like the compact size of that model.

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Sunday, September 26, 2004 at 17:20:34 (MDT)

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Jeff,

Thanks for your insights on the Dimension and Vita-Vac.

Interestingly, yesterday a customer came by to have her FQ Majestic checked out. She needed a new brushroll, belt, pre-motor filter and cones. She wanted to see my vintage vacs as well.

After looking and listening to my schpiel on Air-Way Inc., she really wanted one and may buy one for her mother! She loved all the cannisters from the 55 to 88. We compared features on the FQ vs the Air-Way vs several lux models vs the Dimension. She was really sold on the Air-Way and thought it was, "really quiet--quieter than the others." Well, who am I to argue with a customer!

So, your posting was interesting to read this morning. I agree with all your points on the comparison. Noise has never bothered me, (I'm a product of the Disco era and the louder the better), so I don't consider it as big a factor as others do.

I told Fred S. that I found it interesting that after I put in a new pre-motor filter on the Dimension and a new bag, the filter had become quite blackened after only one vacuuming. Dust leakage? Existing dust in the bag cage/receptacle? Who knows. Fred and I also discussed how the current M bag really does not fit the machine properly like the original ones. We hope to find and devise a better filtering bag for our own personal models. Updates to follow!

Again, thanks for your input. It is always valued. Se