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Anyone interested in a Kirby Model 515?

A lady sent me an e-mail tonight saying she has one in good working condition with the original instruction manual, signed and dated August 16, 1955. I sent a reply to her, indicating I'd check among club members to see if any were interested and asking what price she wanted for it?

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Wednesday, December 31, 2003 at 20:11:03 (MST)


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Happy New Year.

Had an interesting health event in November. I now have two medicated stents in my left anterior descending coronary artery (the Widow Maker). I am too young for this! Anyway, everything else looks good in there. I feel like Jack Nicholson).

Here is a pic taken today of me in the tux and my G3 -- Happy New Year!

http://www.downtownbenson.com/newyear

Mark Goodall
Omaha, NE USA - Wednesday, December 31, 2003 at 13:14:02 (MST)


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Re my earlier posting about eBay crap, case in point: (And such a deal at $199.00)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2369250516&category=43524

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Saturday, December 27, 2003 at 12:19:53 (MST)


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Happy Holidays to all!!!!

To Louis: What a sharp looking newsletter!!! Thanks to you and to all the guys for the hard work put into it. It looks great!!!

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Friday, December 26, 2003 at 20:31:15 (MST)


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MORGAN, congrats on your AF find -- it's a really lovely vacuum cleaner. You may enjoy my web page on the AF if you haven't seen it -- check out http://www.137.com/af; and of course all my other vacuum cleaner pages listed on my web site portal at http://www.137.com.

In other news, eBay had "free listing day" today and it surely shows. Ton after ton of crap and junk have hastily been dumped into their site.

There's one person, apparently a vac shop proprietor, who has listed -- in ONE day -- more than 4,700 listings most of them duplicates of stuff like bags and belts. I'd sure love to be a fly on the wall to see the guy's "face get broke" when, after spending what surely must have been hours of work, eBay pulls all those auctions for violating their duplicate listing policy...


Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Friday, December 26, 2003 at 18:35:50 (MST)


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Merry Christmas Everyone!!!

Santa was good to me. I recieved a Model AF Electrolux, LX Electrolux as well as a Royal Pony... or I guess that what it is. Model 401. Will be looking for someone to replace bearings and brushes in the Electrolux AF and some guidance on rebuilding the LX. The Bag ejector seems to be in working order. The motor sounds good on it.

Next I will have to buy a bigger house... running out of room...

Also just a note to Louis on a GREAT LOOKING NEWSLETTER!!!! Good things are always worth waiting for.

Morgan

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Thursday, December 25, 2003 at 18:46:59 (MST)


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Hello All!

Just wanted to take a minute and add my praise to Louis for a newsletter well done, it looks great!

I also hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas. Santa is a pretty sharp cookie, under my tree was a portable step-up transformer! I can now run my British and Australian Hoovers and not have to have my house re-wired! Since this is portable, I'll probably be bringing international Hoovers to the Convention. A British Hoover Senior may look like just another Convertible, but the sound and construction are MUCH better.

Merry Christmas from Chicago!

Jeff

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Thursday, December 25, 2003 at 17:47:35 (MST)


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Greetings Members

Ok, you may not remember the guy from columbus,ohio! I did enjoy the Convention and

have talked it up to friends and family. I am

not the person to be active in the forum but just

had to write when I heard about the Hoover collection in North Canton. I do hope there is

someone or something to keep it together. It is one

of my favorite Ohio places to visit. Oh! if we

could only have our own place to keep and display

and acquire all those vacs!

Having owned a Vacuum sales and service in the 80's

I have owned, rebuilt and repaired all of those

wonderfull Hoovers of the past! I grew up with

Kirby and Lux and gather them for my current collection (if only I could have stored all those

from my past!)

Currently acquired a Kirby Heritage II in perfect

condition-dose any one have an instruction book??

Your discussion of Hoover 27 and 28 bring memories

of my childhood, as several of my aunts had those models and I used to know every detail!

At any rate this appliance housewares show sounds

quite interesting, especially if it is going to be

in Lancaster Ohio (if I understand correctly) As

Lancaster is only 18 miles south of Columbus. So

if anyone is passing thru be sure to contact me.

I would like to visit with all of you again. I can

hardly waite for June and Chicago.

My best to all of you in the New Year!

Norm Brown

Norm Brown
Columbus, Oh USA - Thursday, December 25, 2003 at 16:23:19 (MST)


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Hello To All:


Thanks for doing such a great job Louis. The news letter was awsome.

To Bernie:

I notice in the pics you have your Kenmore Imperial up and Running that's great. Bernie if you don't mine send me a pic of it. Would love to see a close up pic of it.

To Everyone:

I'm wishing all of you a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year. i hope 2004 is everyone's year.


Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Thursday, December 25, 2003 at 11:31:54 (MST)


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I'll add my accolades to Louis et al for the last newsletter. Great job! And RJ, your repair series is excellent. Very interesting and well done.

And now, may I say to all of you that I hope your holiday SUCKS!!! ;P

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 16:54:12 (MST)


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Hello everyone! I got my newsletter yesterday and read it this morning and really enjoyed it. Louis did a great job! I enjoyed reading the story of Scott and Roger and I and our "mini-convention" back in July. We hope to get together again in March (when the weather is much better).

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all of you and I hope to see you in Chicago next year!

Michael

Michael Thomas
Phoenix, AZ USA - Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 12:01:13 (MST)


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PS--I am almost certain that today is Fred Stachnik's 21st birthday. I'm not sure how often he reads the forum but on behalf of the club I wanted to wish him:

A very HAPPY BIRTHDAY. Boy, to be 21 again. (But only with what I know today).

Have a great day Fred and best wishes.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, nc USA - Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 07:20:03 (MST)


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Charlie L. and Tom (and anyone who wants to jump in):

I have both the Hoover 27 and 28. It seems to me that the 27 is slightly quieter and easier to operate. It just hums along doing a beautiful job.

Now if memory serves me right, they both have the same motor with the same number of fan blades. Right? Could it just be previous usage that makes one more favorable than the other? Both have brand new original Hoover horse hair brush strips. The 28 has the original bag while the 27 has a correct Hoover replacement bag.

Any comments? I do prefer to use the 27 over the 28 because of it's quiet, gliding operaton.

Charlie W.
Charl;otte, NC USA - Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 07:16:37 (MST)


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A very BIG thank-you to Louis and everyone else who had a part in the Newsletter. Mine arrived today and it was so much fun reading through it. All of you did a wonderful job of pulling this all together. I would also like to take this opportunity to wish all of you out there a Very Merry Christmas. Terry

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Monday, December 22, 2003 at 21:37:55 (MST)


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To Charlie Lester:

The biggest problem with the 150 Hoover's automatic height adjustment is that you were NOT supposed to have the machine running when the lever was pushed. The machine HAD to be OFF in order for it to work properly. Otherwise, the suction would pull the nozzle to the carpet and make the adjustment mechanism give a false setting.

To Jeff Parker:

Maytag also wants to close the North Canton plant permanently. They are NOTHING about history, only profit.

Whent the club visited the plant in North Canton ten years ago, they had a room called the 'vaults' that had not only all the hoovers, but also all the competitive machines they EVER tested against the Hoover (like a Frantz Premier), etc. I can't imagine that the historical center's vacuums would be 'thrown in the trash'. Tom Anderson would have a fit.

But I do believe that very soon, Hoover will have nothing but pictures of their 'old' models. The actual machine will either be donated to the Smithsonian or other museum (or perhaps put on Ebay). It's a really sad day for vacuum cleaener collectors when the 'best' vacuum from Hoover is the 'V2' failure. Almost makes you want to cry, doesn't it? At least my 1916 Old Style Special model will always have a home.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Monday, December 22, 2003 at 07:28:06 (MST)


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I was "chastised" in a private email:

=-> The 27 and 28 DID have a height adjustment lever; the 305 did not. The height adjustment lever for the 27 and 28 was located UNDERNEATH the machine at the rear wheels (just like on the model 61). The instruction book for both the 27 & 28 show the user, with the machine in operating position, pushing down on the back part of the hood (to raise the nozzle) and with the other hand reaching underneath the machine to turn the adjustment lever to lock the rear wheels into their proper position. <-=

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Well, I am the first to admit I am no expert on Hoovers --- I was only going by my experience with using these machines. I did not ever recall seeing the height-adjuster thing and never have had anyone show it to me.

I don't think it was TOO bizarre an assumption to believe that these models had, or purported to have, some sort of automatic height adjuster since there was none apparent.

I do hope that other people will please feel free to post corrections to the forum when I - or anyone else for that matter - have misspoken. That's how we all learn about old machines, especially ones that we don't particularly "specialize in."


Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 16:38:45 (MST)


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It's a Eureka . . .

I forgot to mention that the maroon tank machine in the post below is a Eureka.

Jim

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 13:15:56 (MST)


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Holiday greetings from the Heartland!

This past week I acquired from a second hand dealer a vintage maroon tank type cleaner. It is a Model W-75, has two wheels under the tank near the back, and a body made apparently from cardboard. The machine has a cloth hose. The only attachments I got were a wand and a floor brush. Is this machine pre-World War II or post-World War II, say from the mid or late forties or early fifties?

On a Santa Claus note, I had the privilege this past Wednesday of serving as Santa Claus for a party for 125 Head Start and Even Start children. It was sponsored by the Lions Club I'm a member of and co-sponsored by the Retired Teachers Assn. and the Jaycees. It was very heart warming to have each of the 125 children sit briefly on Santa's lap. The Jaycees, Retired Teachers, and Lions provided a gift for each child. Many of the children, usually from age 3 to 5, were Hispanic. I speak a bit of Spanish and tried to speak some Spanish to each of those children. They seemed to light up when Santa spoke to them in Spanish.

Best wishes to all for a happy Hanukkah and Christmas season.

Jim Kirby


Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 13:12:27 (MST)


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Some sad news here just in time for Christmas, and I may well go into mourning for this one: I recieved word this past week that as of January 1, 2004 The Hoover Historical Center, as well as all of the Hoover-owned land around it will be donated to Walsh University, whose campus is across Easton Street from the HHC. The property was not sold to the University, but donated by the "esteemed" Maytag corp. No word yet on the fate of the HHC(or its contents)only that the Center will close December 31 for the month of January. This is a normal event, as January is when the previous displays are taken down and new are set up. I can't imagine that a private university would want to try its hand at running a vacuum museum, but I could be wrong and stranger things have happened.

I feel sorry ofr those in North canton, Maytag didn't exactly have a banner year, and they've cut stuff all over. Hoover seems to have been hit especially bad, they've closed the Industrial Park plant and hung a FOR SALE sign outside. Now everything that is still made in Ohio(Canisters, Steam Vacs, Commercial Cleaners, and one Elite line) comes from the main factory.

Here's to hoping Maytag gets their S**T together in 2004, and that Hoover hangs around long enough to have a 100th anniversary in 2008.

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 10:18:26 (MST)


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=-> Hoover Model 28. You had them as twins Now I would like to find the owners manual...HINT HINT... <-=

Well, keep your eyes on eBay! I don't have a 28 manual myself or I would have included it with the set.

It's really a terrific vacuum cleaner isn't it. I am torn between which of the Dreyfuss early machines (150, 25, 26, 27, 28 & 305) I like better. The 150 is the most stylish, and had the "mysterious" housing made of the new wonder-material, light-weight magnesium.

But it had a feature that worked better in conception than reality and that was the automatic height adjuster wherein you'd start the machine, press a triangular-shaped lever at the rear corner of the base the machine that forced the agitator down onto the rug. When you let go of the spring-loaded lever, the idea was that the suction of the machine would be powerful enough to keep the rug plate against the rug.

However, it only worked on carpets of average thickness. A thin rug did not have enough pile to "grab onto" the nozzle and hold it down, and thick-pile rugs had too much. The machine would just bog down like a lawnmower in waist-high grass, especially on high speed, with its 12-blade fan!

Then, the 28 had no height adjustment at all -- another feature that was pretty much a flop. The idea was that the machine was balanced on spring-loaded rear wheels so as to ride at the proper height AUTOMATICALLY on any pile. Wrong! Again, it only worked properly on "average" rugs.

The only one of his machines that really worked on all piles was the 25. Its "active" (as opposed to passive) thumb-screw rug height adjuster made it a much more efficient machine, easier to use, but nowhere nearly as beautiful as its sisters, especially the 150.

(Saying this, I do keep in mind that I have never owned a 27 or 305 but I do believe that they also had no active rug-adjuster, probably in the interest of having no exposed knobs or levers.)

I also liked the original 150 bag. It was very big and fat and bulbous in the middle ----- a very "streamline" long-oval shape that's reminiscent of the Zeppelin, only fatter -- fatter, even, than the huge bag on the commercial 913! It really gave the machine a great look. It's hard to find an original 150 bag, now, of course. But you'll know it when you see it -- at the point of its largest diameter at the center of the bag, it's about a foot in diameter!

What I mean is, it was not a tapered or angular bag like the Kirbys and later Hoovers -- where the top part of the bat is actually square or rectangular shaped -- the 150 bag is fat, and rounded off at the top where the metal bag clamp goes on. Really, a fabulous-looking bag!

I am sure all the True-Blue Hoover Nuts in the club know all about this topic, far more than me ---- I'm really a Hoover lightweight in terms of knowing models and details. But I have, at one time or another, had several of the Dreyfuss machines (all except the rare 27 and the 305), and they are my favorite Hoovers ---- to me, they're most beautiful of them all. In terms of pure design aesthetics, it was downhill from the 29. (Now, I know I am gonna probably gonna get some heat for that remark ... easy up pals, it's just MY opinion and not engraved-in-stone gospel!!)

The 29, 60 series, and early Convertibles do have their own sort of visual appeal (some of these are also Dreyfuss designs) --- especially to 1950s & early 60s "baby boomers" who remember actually seeing them in action --- but it's more the over-the-top "space age" ("Populuxe") design concept as opposed to the more refined and genteel Machine age aesthetic. And, as regards Hoovers, the Machine Age cleaners are the ones that appeal to me the most!

How's that for a nice Hoover blab from an Electrolux/Kirby nut!! :)




Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Saturday, December 20, 2003 at 22:40:29 (MST)


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Charlie,

Hoover Model 28. You had them as twins and I only purchased one. And very happy with it. The hose did not carry suction, so at the convention I was able to pick a vinyl hose that fit. So I can play with it. Now I would like to find the owners manual...HINT HINT...

Morgan

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, wI USA - Saturday, December 20, 2003 at 12:44:44 (MST)


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Hi Morgan,

Which vacuum of mine did you win on eBay? I've listed a fair number of them and don't recall. It's always good to know where they ended up; and I hope whatever one it was, you're happy with it.

Seasons Cheers to everyone!

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Saturday, December 20, 2003 at 11:07:11 (MST)


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Morgan,

I received the nice note from you in the mail yesterday. Thank you very much, I enjoyed meeting you this past June and I hope to see you next year in Chicago!

I hope everyone has a good holiday.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Saturday, December 20, 2003 at 08:01:49 (MST)


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Charlie,

Thanks for you last Post to the Forum. I want to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas and the Best for the New Year.

I joined this club knowing very little about it. Charlie Lester had a vacuum for sale on Ebay and he introduced me to the Club.

Then it was my great privilage to be able to come to the Convention in Milwaukee and get to meet some great new people. I made a lot of friends and learned a lot about a strong passion of mine,,, Vacuum Cleaners!!!

I again want to say Thanks to You and the Board and all the fine folks I met at the convention. It has been a great year for me and looking forward to a Great 2004 in the VCCC

Morgan

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Friday, December 19, 2003 at 21:23:03 (MST)


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Dave Olsen said,

=-> There were donations received which partially covered our costs of setting up the website, but NO continuing fund has been appropriated to pay the ongoing costs of the site. <-=

Right. Well, lest anyone labor under the misconception that this web site is sucking the treasury dry, the only ongoing expense, as far as I know, is the monthly hosting fee of $17.95 per month, and the annual domain name renewal of $35/ year (which, if I recall correctly, was registered for several years and will not become due anytime soon).

Once the initial site was designed, created and uploaded and I was paid a very competitive rate for my services, I have, since then, been donating any additional time and work entailed in maintaining the site. And there is a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes including answering email queries [more of them than you probably think...!], archiving old posts, keeping an eagle-eye on the forum, etc.

So, for these very moderate expenses, one would hope there is plenty of cash in the treasury to cover them.


Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Friday, December 19, 2003 at 16:51:27 (MST)


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Dear Members and Friends,

Now with the holidays upon us I would like to take this time to wish everyone Season's Greetings and I wish you health, happiness and prosperity for 2004.

My goal for us in 2004 is to "spin to the positive". In spite of occasional negativity popping up, this is a wonderful group and it is a priviledge to be your President.

Let's focus on all the good things about the club, members and vacuum cleaners that brings us together in our unusual pursuit of vintage cleaning devices.

The club is a diverse group with so much talent, varied interests and a passion for collecting. Hopefully we can start the New Year with goodwill towards each other and peace.

Again, my best wishes to all.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Friday, December 19, 2003 at 13:03:28 (MST)


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Re: Vac Club Website Fund

There were donations received which partially covered our costs of setting up the website, but NO continuing fund has been appropriated to pay the ongoing costs of the site.

Dave Olsen, Treasurer

Dave Olsen
Palm Springs, CA USA - Friday, December 19, 2003 at 01:16:43 (MST)


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Memebers:

Thank you all for your comments. In the last 7-10 days it seems that club has become energized about the newsletter. Let's keep the energy going as it ultimately benefits our club.

Thank you to Louis for following through. I'll admitt, there was some question on my part, the Board and the membership at large as to whether you would deliver the newsletter. We can all now take a collective, "whew!", and again, say THANKS!

Also, thanks to those who jumped up to the plate to help out ie: Tom Gasko, David Mick, Jimmy Martin, David Olsen, Marty Rocha, Fred Stachnik and R. J. Vanik.

It was thought by the Board and myself that we would be doing a much needed newsletter and folks just named volunteered in a number of different ways.

The Board will be examining newsletter production and the roles of the yet to be re-formed "Newsletter Committee".

I thank all of you for your patience and again, say I am sorry that there was a delay. Many of us are working to make sure this gap between newsletters does not happen again.

With all of this said and a newsletter in route, we can all now focus and the joy of the holidays and good cheer to men and women.

I will keep you posted on future developments. Best wishes to all.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Wednesday, December 17, 2003 at 07:18:39 (MST)


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Thank you so much Prudence for saying it all so well!! I agree with you. We have so many great individual in this club and so many put forth so much for all our enjoyment. Congratulations Louis and everyone else who are working so hard on getting everything set up for the newsletter. This is no small job and I for one appreciate all your effort. Terry

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Tuesday, December 16, 2003 at 21:55:52 (MST)


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OF SPECIAL INTEREST TO MEMBERS IN THE OHIO AREA:

I rec'd the following email today ---

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Hello Vacuum Cleaner Collectors:

I am the curator of an exhibit that will take place at the Decorative Arts Center of Ohio in Lancaster, Ohio from May through Labor Day next year. The exhibit will be about appliances in Ohio. Working title is Ohio Originals: Artful Appliances. We will feature appliances of all types designed, manufactured, sold and used in Ohio. Ohio has a rich history in design and manufacturing. Altho focus will be on the decorative arts aspects of the appliances, we will also touch upon the history of manufacturing, social and economic changes in household technologies and products. Text panels, artifact labels and installation graphics will attempt to tell a large story with layers of meaning.

Collectors of fan and toasters are coming forward to offer products for loan.

As you know better than anyone, Ohio has been a center for vac production for the past 100 years. I'm a collector myself and have an AirWay or two I'll put into the display. The Hoover Company has been very helpful in providing photographs, videos and products. Other collectors have offered a few products by Apex. Many of you have no doubt been involved in exhibits in the past. I hope that you will be able to help me as I develop this concept. I am looking for items such as the following:


* Artifacts-appliances, furniture, room décor.

* Letters from individuals describing work conditions or appliances' effect on their lives

* Advertising ephemera

* Designer renderings, engineering plans, patent drawings

* Employee newsletters

* Photos of

- people working in factories

- people using appliances in their homes

- retail: sales people: peddlers, wholesalers, general stores

- factories, corporate buildings and streetscapes

- utility company displays at country fairs

- home service/home economist instructors

- consumer studies, product testing


* Documents: sales receipts, company records about sales or product development

* Maps

- Nodes of Ohio cities- immigration, industrialization

- Ohio manufacturers: who made what where when WHY-natural resources, labor pool

- Power grid: Spread of electricity in Ohio, Rural Electrification


* Room set of things made in Ohio: Anchor Hocking, Rubbermaid, textiles, dinnerware, pottery, cookware to amplify the context of a local kitchen in use.

* Media

* TV monitors showing industrial films, advertisements, oral histories

* Website and on-site interactives: journaling, oral histories, guessing games


* Handouts for general public

* Teacher's packets


Looking forward to hearing from your members. Thank you in advance.

Vicki Matranga

IDSA Design History section member, has been studying industrial design history for more than a decade. Since 1992 Design Programs Coordinator at International Housewares Association (Housewares Design Center, annual student design competition), author (America at Home: A Celebration of Twentieth-Century Housewares), lecturer, media spokesperson, independent curator. Industrial design consultant to The Alliance of Art and Industry: Toledo Designs for a Modern America, catalogue and exhibition at the Toledo Museum of Art in 2002; exhibit then traveled to Columbus, OH and San Francisco

Vicki Matranga

Design Programs Coordinator

International Housewares Association

6400 Shafer Court Suite 650

Rosemont, IL 60018

phone: 847-692-0136

fax: 847-292-4211

vmatranga@housewares.org

www.housewares.org

2004 International Home & Housewares Show

formerly International Housewares Show

New Dates: March 20-22

New Days: Saturday -- Monday

Same Location: McCormick Place, Chicago

register at www.housewares.org

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Charles Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Tuesday, December 16, 2003 at 20:36:04 (MST)


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Tom Gasko said,

=-> Our Website expense has been great - and has taken money from the budget we normally use for newsletters. <-=


Monsieur President, Esteemed Board Members ... Is that the case? I thought that a special fund was set up for the web site and that its costs were at least in part underwritten by special donations from certain club members.


Charles Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Tuesday, December 16, 2003 at 20:28:01 (MST)


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Congratulations, Louis! It sounds like a real labor of love, and it will be much appreciated.

Like many members, I joined the VCCC because of the great people I'd met who are part of it--notably Charlie Watrous, Michael LaBue, Tania Voight, and of course, the endlessly talented Chuck Chatham. I'd give a lot to have a fraction of their goodwill and élan vital, and bet a Bosch that deep down, some other folks here would, too. I don't want to see fellow club members maligned or insulted, most especially those who have stewardship of the club. I post this in their support and defense, and hope that the spirit of the season can get to the Midwest real soon and spend some quality time in a certain sweeper store there.

Peace & kreplach,

Prudence

Prudence McC.
Le Stix, PA USA - Monday, December 15, 2003 at 23:19:03 (MST)


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To all club members!

Good things are worth waiting for! The newsletter is being mailed on Thursday, December 18. I am not even going to acknowledge or comment on any of the negative comments below about the newsletter. This a major undertaking and I had encountered several problems with the template both early on and during the process. For some reason or another, many of the pictures became corrupt and likewise corrupted several spreads which had to be re-worked. It also took many hours to sift thru tons of pictures. Some were not usuable and I had to sift thru pictures of people's feet, stomachs, and you name it! I have taken care of the glitches and the hiccups! So, wait until you receive the newsletter before you pass judgement.

I realized fairly early on in the process that it was not going to be easy to "route" the newsletter in all it's phases to those who had offered their help. There was simply no easy way to track the changes that would have been made by all interested parties. So, I had to bear the burden alone. And I did not mind. That being said.

Now that the template is built, I will anticipate your articles and points of interests for the next newsletter which I am about to begin.

Charlie W. and I will discuss a cut off date for pictures and articles for this next newsletter. The materail that doesn't make the cut off will appear in the next newsletter. Please remember that when writing an article use simple language, avoid parenthesis, use simple/common fonts, write in complete sentences, and, etc.. I think you all get the picture.

Happy Holidays to all!

Louis

Louis R.
Madison, CT USA - Monday, December 15, 2003 at 23:00:08 (MST)


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To Chuck C.:

You are obviously ill-informed and 'out of the loop'.

The newsletter committee formed at the last meeting. I, Mark Tomey, and Louis R. were to put together the newsletter. I wrote my articles and sent them to Louis - who dropped the ball for everyone. Don't know if Mark ever did write an article or not, never heard from him.

The newsletter is currently being put together in order to get it mailed and out to members BEFORE Christmas. It will be a large, double issue with articles, pictures from the past convention, cleaning contest results, vacuum cleaner puzzles, etc.

Jimmy Martin has written several articles for the current issue - so you need not lose sleep over fretting whether or not he will contribute anything.

Since the members WILL - in fact - Receive a double issue of the newsletter THIS year (2003), we should all (including YOU) concentrate on getting our 2004 dues into the club treasurer by the end of January. Our Website expense has been great - and has taken money from the budget we normally use for newsletters.

Of course, if you wish to write an article for the newsletter, please do so. It does need to be on vacuum cleaners (as opposed to flower arranging, for example).

tom gasko
festus, mo USA - Monday, December 15, 2003 at 10:22:50 (MST)


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Members,

Just so expectations are clear and there will be no disappointments, the January issue will be a "standard" issue. Black and white versus color was disucussed at the Milwaukee convention and the costs to the club.

Dues will continue as always: $25.00 from calender year starting January 2004 to December 2004. Every attempt will be made to issue and mail 4 quarterly newsletters.

Anyone who would like to step up to the plate as "managing editor" is welcome by all. Anyone who would like to cover the cost of color is too, welcomed by all.

When pointing a finger of blame at someone, remember, 3 fingers are pointing toward the accuser.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 08:57:24 (MST)


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Dear Members

My, My, My, Those last few posts about the newsletter (or lack of) are quite something. Why is it that some feel the need to lynch the president? We had someone volunteer to do the newsletter, and for whatever reason that has not happened.... SOOOOO now the board, directed by President Watrous, is putting together one for early January. Maybe the reason we have not yet seen one for the Fall/Winter, is lack of articles provided by members!?!?!

I will be submitting an article, and trust that we will see one from Festus, and also from Elizabethton! Should I call to remind anyone else?

Could we discuss the "Dues" at a later date, as I need to get busy with my newsletter article, trim the house, shop for gifts, wrap those gifts, do the food shopping, wash some laundry, assist customers, check incoming inventory, finish some vacuum repairs, and "have a life"..... OR we can do it now.

Have a GREAT holiday,

Chuck

(VCCC Board member)

Chuck Chatham
USA - Friday, December 12, 2003 at 22:45:01 (MST)


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Jimmy Martin, a long-time member of VCCC and a good friend, asked that I post this memo from him.

Jim Kirby

To President, Board, and Members of VCCC:

It has been interesting to see that, to put it simply, this newsletter has bewen miseed and now there will be another. However, it seems to me that a new attitude toward the newsletter has developed in recent months that needs to be examined.

It seems that some seem to feel that, since some members do not have a computer, the club will have to endure the time, trouble, and expense to put information on paper, work with printers, and go to the post office.

Maybe we should consider how different the homes with computers are from those without. When a computer comes into a home, are all books discarded? Does a home with a computer no longer have magazines on the coffee table about cars, architecture, history, or other subjects of interest? Does a member with a computer no longer look at a real newspaper for information about his area? Does a home with a computer no longer have art on the walls? After all, with a click of the mouse, one can view art works from around the world. Have the members with computers discarged their school yearbooks after converting them to the latest microchip? Why would a member with a computer even want more than one real vacuum in his home when he can see images of vacuums on his screen?

I feel that a more correct attitude is that all members want a newsletter on schedule in addition to the website. These newsletters should continue to have information on club events, members and collections, items to sell and trade, but mostly on a variety of vacs and different periods of their history with illustrations.

One thing that should be covered now is one of the highlights of the Milwaukee meeting. We were fortunate to see three wonderful yet different collections.

At Stan's we saw many uprights and hand vacs from the 20s, 30s, and 40s. This showed how the vacuum went from primitive beginnings to more modern times.

Tania showed a variety of canisters from the 50s, which may have been their finest era.

At Fred's we saw a collection focusing on Hoovers of the 60s, which most of us remember well.

These members deserve recognition such as two pages of color pictures. With the current bank balance, this should be possible. Anyone who was not there deserves the chances to hold a newsletter, turn the pages, and see words and pictures describing this.

I feel that every member has felt that the newsletter was important and, whether they have received one or a dozen, has kept and field them with original vacuum literature.

To sum up, the two ways of looking at this issue are--

1. Because a few members are too ___________ _______________ (fill in word of your choice) to have a computer, we will have to mail something.

2. All members want a newsletter delivered in a timely manner with vacuum history and information.

Perhaps when we decide which of these most accurately describes the feeling of most members, we will have a better newsletter and a better club.

As always I can be found by licking a stamp or touching the phone buttons.

Jimmy Martin

520 East E Street

Elizabethton, TN 37643

Phone: 423-543-7900

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Friday, December 12, 2003 at 17:04:07 (MST)


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To Charlie W.:

I'll assume that members who are current on their 2003 dues, will not be asked to pay additional dues for 2004 until AFTER the double-issue of the newsletter is received. We, the normal club members, expect 4 newsletters per year (with the exception that there can be a DOUBLE issue for the fall/winter) and that's what I'll assume all club members who pay their dues expect.

Looking forward to seeing the double issue in January and THEN your instructions for paying our 2004 dues.

tom gasko
festus, mo USA - Friday, December 12, 2003 at 11:58:41 (MST)


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Dear Members:

I know most, if not all of you have been wondering where the newsletter is. I have too!

Due to some unexpected editorial problems, the board and myself are taking over publication of the next issue which should be sent in the first half of January 2004.

In that issue, in my column, I will address what we have decided to do about the newsletter and how you, the members, will be able to help us.

The newsletter will continue to be published and sent to all dues paying members. Many of our members are not online and this is their connection to our club.

I apologize that you have not received a fall or winter issue. As in any organization or club, things do not always go as planned and then contingency plans must be put in place until the problem is "fixed".

Thank you for your continued patience. We WILL have an issue to you after the holidays. It is in the works even as I write this. Please feel free to contact me with any questions at the email address provided.

Best Wishes,

Charlie Watrous, President VCCC &

The Board of Directors

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 20:15:11 (MST)


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Hello all,

I was wondering if you could give me information on how to get a tape of the Hey Remember shows. My 5 year old watched them both and I am sure he would love to be able to watch them at any time. It would be a great Christmas gift for him. The only things he wants for Christmas are two vacuums. He turned down dinner at one of his favorite places, so that he could watch the sweeper shows!

Thanks!

Pam

Pam Evans
Tuscola, IL USA - Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 08:33:01 (MST)


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Hi All, just a brief and friendly reminder to please review the Forum Posting Guidelines from time to time.

Some recent postings caused all sorts of Alarms and Red Lights to go offf ---- so I am just reminding you all, in particular, to be sure and input at least your first and last name and a valid email address, as required in the Guidelines. See http://www.vaccc.com/membersonly/forum.html for further clarification if necessary.

Ever upward & onward---


Charles Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Sunday, December 07, 2003 at 23:17:58 (MST)


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Marty R:

Your hospital model G is GORGEOUS. Absolutely beautiful. Had no idea they existed that far along.

Looking at the photos is like looking at pictures of B M W's No one notices the model gesturing toward the car, they just see the car (well, maybe they take a 'peek' at the model too). Your tan Hospital G is to die for. I'm so happy there is one in the club. It's like our Commemorative Edition Electrolux - thank GOD there is one in the club for us to enjoy. Please try to bring it to the next meeting in Chicago.

As a point of personal reference, I saw pictures of myself from the last meeting, and realized I looked 'big as a house'. I think it's those damn cameras doing it (smile).

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Sunday, December 07, 2003 at 07:34:06 (MST)


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Marty, you look just fine. Trust me.


Charles Lester
Hollywooooood, CA United States - Saturday, December 06, 2003 at 16:05:03 (MST)


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Charlie,

I enjoyed the hosp G story and the pix But oh my word! I look big as a house!! I'm going on a diet IMMEDIATELY!!! BTW, my other Lux G that i call the tan G is not brown but actually the bronze color that you describe. It looks like the one in your last picture.

I'm color blind too. Good Grief!!!

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Friday, December 05, 2003 at 22:39:33 (MST)


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Hi Everyone,

I m looking for Rexair Model A and B and C and D with rexair and rainbow also Greenish one too in mint condition/almost as new to buy for my collectors/Musuems must everything be orginal. I will pay top dollars for this pieces. please email me.

Merry Christmas !!!

Joseph

Joseph
San Diego, CA USA - Friday, December 05, 2003 at 16:45:43 (MST)


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p.s. re the tan hospital G, yes I am beyond myself with joy because I too know how rare it is. I had in fact not even known that such a marvel existed until I saw Marty's. I have put some photos of this rarity:

http://www.137.com/tan_hospital_g

btw, some people might wonder why I publish my "sweeper stuff" on my own site instead of here on the Club site.

Well, the thing is, I have had my own web site for almost nine years - since January 1995. Yes, I guess I am an Internet pioneer! I had my own web site before a lot of people even had home PCs.

Not meaning to "brag" about it -- that's silly and no big deal, just explaining that I have had an Internet presence for many years now. So it would not make sense at this point to start scattering my web pages all over the place.

However, there ARE ... MANY ... club members who do not have their own web sites ..... and those people are WELCOME to post submissions for the "Members Only" section of our Club site --- especially photos of your collection. Just another little nudge from Unkie Charlie!!


Charles Lester
Hollywooooood, CA United States - Friday, December 05, 2003 at 15:33:58 (MST)


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Hi Tom, thanks for the nice comments. I would love very much to make the club meeting but the economic hardship is far greater on me than just the meeting costs - registration, airfare, hotel, etc.

The bigger problem is that, being a church organist, and in fact playing now for two different churches, I have to work pretty much every Sunday of the year.

At one church I do have two paid Sundays off a year but those are on specially designated Sundays that never coincide with the convention.

I have just started playing at the other church and they don't yet offer any vacation.

So, if I take another Sunday off it means having to hire a substitute and paying them out of my own pocket, in addition to missing the income myself -- and that's assuming a decent substitute is to be found. It's getting harder and harder to find good organists for substituting, especially in my situation where the musician has to be "multi-cultural"-friendly.

Really, I'd be looking at a thousand bucks, or more, to attend a convention. So for now, I have to enjoy them vicariously through the web site, forum, word of mouth, photos, and newsletter.

Say, speaking of newsletters .... is another issue ever gonna come out??! I have to say, I have heard quite a bit of grumbling about this, especially by people who do not have Internet access. For those people, the newsletter is really the only connection they have to the rest of the club.


Charlie Lester
Hollywoooood, CA USA - Friday, December 05, 2003 at 13:37:49 (MST)


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To Charlie Lester:

Congratulation on getting an EXTREMELY rare vacuum, you Electrolux Hospital Model G in Tan. I've ONLY seen them to match the turquoise G and assumed that they were 'done for' by the time the tan G was launched in 1966. You are truly a lucky man. Yours and Marty Rocha's are the ONLY two I know to exist.

I do hope you'll decide to start a 'meeting fund' and sell a few duplicates on eBay to finance a trip the convention. Would love to see you again. Haven't seen you since the convention in which Bob Taber lost his bid for President of the Club. I think that was Allentown if I'm not mistaken.

If you can't attend, I sure do hope Marty brings his Hospital G (in tan) to the Chicago convention.

I think I speak for ALL your club friends when I say we really miss your wit, smile, and personality at the conventions.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Friday, December 05, 2003 at 10:20:46 (MST)


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OKAY, OKAY no tacky comments about where the heck has LaBue been. He's back.

Anyway just wanted to say HI to all my old freinds from the club. Hope you all have had a fun Holiday season so far.

RJ. I owe you a call or two. My weekends have gotten away from me.

Till Then

Michael

Michael LaBue
New York, NY USA - Wednesday, December 03, 2003 at 13:47:42 (MST)

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To Reggie:

The first power nozzle used on the Fairfax (after the air-driven Preco nozzle) was made for Fairfax by Air-Way. Air-Way also sold their power nozzle to Water-Matic. 1972 through 1980.

The lady swinging from the Fairfax stuck to the ceiling (on the "Hey, Remember" show) was the lady who hosted the show.

It was stuck to my living room ceiling. That's how Fairfax would demonstrate it's "power" by holding the salesman's weight while 'stuck' to the ceiling.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Wednesday, November 26, 2003 at 06:46:07 (MST)


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I thought that it was very interesting too see the old Eureka commercials, but the vacuum that I liked the most was the Fairfax with the metal power nozzle. I thought that the first power nozzles that Fairfax used where the Eureka ones.

Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Tuesday, November 25, 2003 at 23:10:13 (MST)


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Happy turkey day to all my other nut/collector friends hope the coming Christmas season puts a new/old machine under your tree.

ron jones
rockingham, nc USA - Tuesday, November 25, 2003 at 19:51:42 (MST)


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I am looking for the pink(salmon?) colored dusting brush and upholstery tools for the infamous pink(salmon?) colored General Electric canister vacuum with the hose that rotates from the top. I hope one of you would be willing to steer me in the right direction! I need these two tools to complete the most recent addition to my collection/sickness/addiction. Please be an enabler......Happy Thanksgiving to one and all!

Robert Azar
Omaha, NE USA - Tuesday, November 25, 2003 at 17:47:07 (MST)


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To Marty:

Thanks for the kind words.

The Eureka ads for the "Hey, Remember" show were provided by Eureka. They have a whole reel of them.

Next time we see each other, I want to hear the story about how your old girlfriend wound up with the Eureka canister.

To Morgan:

I have both shows on video tape. Thought I'd bring them with me to the next meeting. I can make you a copy. Just email me with your address.

I live in the 'sticks' too. Desloge, Missouri is like, in the middle of nowhere. DirectTV solves that problem.

To Evan:

That wasn't a Kirby commercial for television. It was a short movie (14 minutes) that the Kirby Company put out when the Heritage II was the new cleaner. They lift the Kirby up, and it's sealed to the top of a huge plunger, which sucks up the volkswagon (minus the motor and transmission, of course). This lifts the car. Big deal. Orecks suck up bowling balls but can't pick up dirt.

The Hoover Company provided the film on the demonstration of the Model 0. Now that would be something to see... They only used a second of it.

Notice though, it was filmed in the Hoover house (which became the museum).

To Everyone:

Have a great holiday. I'm going to deep fry a turkey for the first time. Wish me luck.......

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Tuesday, November 25, 2003 at 06:59:26 (MST)


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Tom Gasko:

I saw the repeat of Hey Remember last night and thought you were great. I always enjoy listening to you talking about vacs. My favorite parts of the piece were the old Eureka clips. I especially love the Eureka canisters from the 60's and 70's. One of the vacs we had growing up was a Eureka canister that used S bags and had the 5 cleaning selection buttons on top. It was orangy yellow. the power nozzle had a head light. That was a great cleaner and i used it all the time. An old girlfriend wound up with it ( longstory short, haven't seen either of them in years) so i bought my Mom a Hoover convertible which she liked better because she didn't have to pull it around behind her. Hope you have a great holiday!!

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 21:50:22 (MST)


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Whoops--make that safe instead of sage! Guess I was already thinking of the dressing/stuffing.

Charlie W.
Charlotte, USA - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 15:36:38 (MST)


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Dear VCCC Members and Friends,

I am leaving tomorrow for the Thanksgiving Holiday and wanted to take this opportunity to wish you all a very happy, healthy and sage holiday.

Thanksgiving is generally a time for being thankful for all the blessings in our lives. I have many people in my life that I am thankful for and have been blessed with. This club and it's members are included. I have been thanked repeatedly for all the things I have done for the club, but I want to thank you folks for all you have done for me.

Again, best wishes to all and if driving be careful. I will be motoring to IN in my 1965 Olsmobile "98" Town Sedan so I feel relatively safe! Till later,

The Pres

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 15:35:26 (MST)


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To Tom Gasko:

I saw the Hey Remember show last night about vintage vacuum cleaners. You did a great job as host! However, I have a question: Of the several tv advertisements that were shown, there was one for the Kirby Heritage II. Did Kirby used to advertise on tv? I have never seen a Kirby commercial on tv before.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 15:22:23 (MST)


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To Marty Rocha-

If I remember correctly, the lever on the Sunbeam Challenger locks the wheels, to keep the machine from rolling (like when cleaning stairs). The first machine I ever remember seeing with locking wheels was the Hamilton Beach tank (model 26, I think) though there may have been others before that. It's such a good idea to have that feature (especially if you have stairs), I don't know why ALL manufacturers never grabbed on to the idea.


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Saturday, November 22, 2003 at 21:33:21 (MST)


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Hi all!

i was wondering what the little metal lever is next to the rear wheel on the Sunbeam Challenger. I recently found one in off white and with the wood grain sides. I don't remember what the lever is for.



Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Saturday, November 22, 2003 at 20:30:31 (MST)


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Hello,

Just wondering if someone could record the TV program. We people that live in the sticks in WI can not get that station. I would also like to see the last video from the Morning Show.

Thanks, Would be more thant willing to pay for the tape and mailing and your time..

Morgan

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Saturday, November 22, 2003 at 11:28:37 (MST)


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HI EVERYONE, HOPE YOU ALL GOT TO WATCH THE VACUUM CLEANER SEGMENT ON H/G TV LAST NIGHT.IT WAS VERY WELL DONE. AND AS USUAL, OUR FORMER CLUB PRESIDENT, TOM GASKO, DID AND EXCELLENT

JOB AS HOST. IT WILL BE REPEATED SUNDAY EVENING AT 7:30 EST.

Michael Hays
Greenfield, OH USA - Saturday, November 22, 2003 at 05:12:19 (MST)


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I rec'd the following information (a conglomeration of several emails).

Sounds like the guy may have some real treasures that, if I read correctly, are all up for grabs at no cost for the first person who shows up with a truck. Please contact him directly at the email address supplied.

Wish =I= could get a big truck and drive out there, but it's a little far from Los Angeles!

I am, in deference to my fellow club members, posting this exciting announcement here first, to give you-all a "leg up" on others. Then, in a few days I will also post it to one of the Yahoo forums.

Hope someone can take advantage of this --- and send me some exciting Kirby treasures!!

HERE IS THE MESSAGE:


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =


I have around 50 vintage Kirby vacuums (1940's-1960s) that my late uncle either repaired or was going to repair. Can you tell me where I can find someone who may be interested in some or all. I would hate to scrap them just for aluminum or metal.

There are also many original boxes of attachments and more parts for Kirby, Hoover and Eureka -- a lot of parts! Also, Hoover NOS including: plastic top covers, cloth bags, springs, light lenses or covers, brackets that hold the body and the handle together and countless disposable bags still in the packages.. (It would probably take a pretty good sized truck for everything, that is if one person took it all.

I am located 25 miles east of Pittsburgh, PA in a town called Export which is near the Rte 22 & Rte 66 junction. I'm also close to I-76, (PA turnpike) about 8 miles from the Pittsburgh (Monroeville) exit and 18 miles north of of the New Stanton, PA exit. And, I-376 (Parkway East) 8 miles.

The vacuums & parts are actually located in Pittsburgh ... if anyone's interested, I'd be glad to meet at either location.

Much thanks

John Parrendo

UnwoundUSA@aol.com

Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Thursday, November 20, 2003 at 23:35:16 (MST)


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Morgan and Forum,

Sorry, the FQ items went right away to a club member that contacted me. The good thing is that they will stay in the club with a member that will take care of them.

I'm glad to see we can use the forum to buy/see/trade or give away things.

Best wishes.

Charlie W.
Charlotte, NC USA - Wednesday, November 19, 2003 at 12:48:43 (MST)


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Dear R. J. ~

Thanks for the speedy reply! I was pretty sure that the "C" bag is the proper one for my #1348, but I just wanted to be certain since Hoover makes so many "specialized" bags.

Thanks again.

B.C.

Brother Chris Lambert
St. Louis, MO USA - Tuesday, November 18, 2003 at 20:32:35 (MST)


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Charlie,

I would be interested in the Filter Queen equipment if no one else is.

Thanks

Morgan

Also in anyone has a Royal tool set with hose or a hoover convertable I would be interested..


Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Tuesday, November 18, 2003 at 16:03:39 (MST)


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To Brother Chris-

Type "C" is the correct bag for ALL the Hoover Juniors EXCEPT model 115, which used a cloth-dump bag. The US Junior models ussing type "C" bag would be 12, 14, 1330, 1340, 1348, and U-1025.


R. J.

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Tuesday, November 18, 2003 at 09:36:04 (MST)


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Dear Forum,

If anyone is interested in the hair dryer and massage attachments in MINT condition for a Filter Queen 30 series for FREE, (shipping only!),

please let me know or I am tossing them.

They do not sell for much on ebay and I would rather a member have them if they want them. Please let me know at the email address shown.

Thanks!

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Tuesday, November 18, 2003 at 07:33:30 (MST)


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A question ...

Does anyone happen to know which is the proper bag to use in a Hoover 1348 (the newer, lighter-weight "Junior")? There is currently a "C" bag in the one I have, but I was wondering if there was a specific model designated for that model. I appreciate the collective wisdom of the group!

Thanks,

Brother Chris

Brother Chris Lambert, OFM
Saint Louis, MO USA - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 20:50:18 (MST)


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Dear VCCC friends:

Yesterday a second hand dealer here called to tell me he had a Presto, Jr., hand vac for me. I won't see it until tomorrow. I understand it is from the 1920's. If any of you can tell me about the Presto and its history, please do so. Also, if you have one, please tell me about yours.

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Sunday, November 16, 2003 at 14:20:27 (MST)


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I need new motor brushes formy Electrolux model L.

I am also looking for a Miracle Head and Handi Butler for my Kirby Classic 3. If anyone has any of these parts that they could send me, let me know.

Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Sunday, November 16, 2003 at 12:03:59 (MST)


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To the Club:

Has anyone seen this new TV show on "The Home and Garden Network" called "Hey, Remember"? It's on Friday nights with repeats on Sunday evenings. It's about vintage collections of 'things' from the past. There's a vacuum cleaner episode with regular and hand held machines on November 21, with a repeat on Novenmber 23.

I've heard that the Hoover Company supplied a vintage film of a Model 0 being demonstrated. Did they even have film in 1908?

As to Eureka's "Retro-Vac", when I first heard that Eureka was going to do a retro-vac from the 1950's, I'd hoped they would bring back the Roto-Matic. Alas, they just 'brought back' the upright, and not even in a 1950's color. Honestly. I don't know of any 1950's vacs done up in turquoise and chrome with a black and grey striped bag.

The whole "Elecctrolux" / "Eureka" thing at Lowes is already starting to take it's toll. Have had many people comment on the advertisement, saying they have seen the 'new' electrolux cleaners at Lowes. Most of those customers are going to be people who think they are buying a "REAL" Electrolux, and it will make serving bag customers infinately harder. Customer's don't know they have an Oxygen by Eureka when asking for bags. They'll just say it's a canister Electrolux and then go home with the wrong bags. What a nightmare this will become.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Thursday, November 13, 2003 at 15:44:12 (MST)


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R.J and Marty:

I also saw the Electrolux cleaners when I was at Sears this past Saturday. I was shocked when I saw the prices. I would have hoped that they would have dropped the prices since the quality of their products has declined even more, but I guess that didn't happen.

To Reggie: I received the Kirby safety switch from you yesterday. Thank you very much for sending it to me.

To the forum: I am still looking for a cord and bag for my Kirby 560, and also a belt lifter lens (or better yet, a complete belt lifter), and an extension wand and crevice tool.

Also, I am in need of a green rug renovator tray for a kirby D80 if anyone has one. I would also love to get my hands on ANY other D80 tools and/or accessories if any one has any.

Please let me know.

Thanks


Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Thursday, November 13, 2003 at 14:25:41 (MST)


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Hi All:

For those of you who read the Wall Street Journal, there is an article in the Personal Journal Section (Section D) front page today regarding modern vacuum cleaners. They review 4 uprights: the Dyson DC07, a Miele upright, the Eureka Whirlwind and the Sebo. Interesting article.

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Thursday, November 13, 2003 at 12:53:37 (MST)


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GE Vacuum parts needed:

Hi all,


Was at the swap meet and i found a GE swivel top cord reel vacuum. It was all dusty and sad in this beat up old box. Most of the parts were in the box. I asked "How much?" and the guy selling it said, " a buck takes it home with you!" ???? well okay!!! It works fine and cleaned up really well. Now i'm looking for a carpet nozzle. It is a shade of green that is neither aqua or avocado. If anyone was at the Louisville convention and saw Ken Wagman's beeeutiful swivel top, it's that shade of green. I'm also looking for the attachment tray that fits in the back of the cleaner. I will gladly pay for these parts if anyone has extra.

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Wednesday, November 12, 2003 at 20:16:33 (MST)


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To Marty R-

I agree, $399.00 is steep for an all-plastic, suction only machine. When I first glanced up and saw the display, I was kind of startled by it (it was before i saw your posting). On closer inspection, I was thinking they should have branded the machines "Eurekalux", since they're a far cry from the Electroluxes that we knew growing up. However, I'm sure that Lowe's is counting on some "brand name recognition" to help fuel sales.

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue , WA USA - Tuesday, November 11, 2003 at 18:41:07 (MST)


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A salute to another good friend and club member, who is a veteran: Mike Hays. Mike served his country in Vietnam. Like the other Mike, you're a great guy; and we appreciate your service to our country.

As most of us know, Mike had a serious heart attack last summer and is now retired and enjoying the Vortec (Vortex?) Force he just bought on e-bay and cleans better than his Kirby G5!

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Tuesday, November 11, 2003 at 14:47:43 (MST)


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A salute to all in our club who are veterans!

One member who served in the armed forces is Mike Rogers, who manages a Henry Co. store in a Chicago suburb and lives in Calumet City. As I'm sure all who know him will agree, Mike is, in every respect, a first-class individual. Thanks to Mike and all our other veterans, whom we honor today on this 50th anniversary of Veterans Day, which originated in Emporia, KS!

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Tuesday, November 11, 2003 at 14:33:34 (MST)


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Electrolux at Lowe's

Oh RJ, it's funny that you said that because i've actually been toying with the idea of getting the Oxygen model. I know it's just a Eureka, but i still want to try one out. I need to see the floor brush and the attachments first though. They didn't have those lying around the display. The attachments on the Harmony cannister looked interesting. They store on the handle, and the dusting brush looked like the old Lux 2 in 1 tool. I think 399.00 is alot of money for a suction only machine. They should at least include a turbo brush for carpets don't you think?

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs , Ca USA - Monday, November 10, 2003 at 22:05:50 (MST)


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While wandering through Lowe's today, I stumbled across a display of 3 Electrolux cleaners; an upright and 2 canisters - must be the same 3 that Marty R refers to in his earlier posting. Unique in their color scheme, they're almost a copper-red, which is a refreshing change from Eureka's "bumble bee" colors of black and yellow. Interesting to look at, but I don't think I'll be paying their asking price any time soon.

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Sunday, November 09, 2003 at 17:23:15 (MST)


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To Marty:

I've tried the new bagless Windtunnel canister, its not bad... the cansiter runs pretty quiet and it has decent suction. However the tools are crap, and the power-nozzle is flimsy.

Charlie Lester:

Check out ebay, there's been one of those alleged 95th anniversary Eureka uprights on there for $180 for the past couple of weeks with no takers. From the pictures and descriptions I've read its the old Eureka Boss just done up in chrome, black and Jadeite green. There is nothing on Eureka's website about it yet, but I have been told the motor used in this model is the 5.0amp one thats now used in the cheap Sanitaire models.

Of course, Eureka's 95th anniversary isn't til next year either, but I guess they want to celebrate early.

I had also been told Hoover would have a 95anniversary model this year too, but given the state of Hoover these days I could do without a 95th anniversary V2 Windtunnel.

Just my thoughts...

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Saturday, November 08, 2003 at 19:55:12 (MST)


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Well, has anyone see the "new" Eureka upright model 1950A, called the "RetroVac" and billed as their 95th anniversary model which is a bit premature since, if I recall correctly, the company was founded in 1909 (+95 = 2004).

From the photo I have found of it, I have to say that from an aesthetics standpoint I am underwhelmed. You'd think such a "landmark" machine would have something more to offer.

Sometimes, though, photos don't do a machine justice. But as far as I can tell, this is just a standard Sanitaire "tricked out" in a gaudy outfit with a black striped bag and turquoise and chrome base -- looking rather cheap and tawdry! The machine would probably look a lot better with some other color & pattern on the bag.

SRP is $199.95 which, I believe, is a bit less than the Sanitaire isn't it? And isn't the new Sanitaire all plastic, done up in a hideous yellow/black scheme? (Looks like everyone's jumping on the "Let's make vacuum cleaners look as gaudy as we possibly can" trend, started by Dyson!)

Here's a link to a photo of it:

http://store1.yimg.com/I/patsplace_1764_3000659


Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Saturday, November 08, 2003 at 00:58:16 (MST)


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Ramblings:

Was at Best Buy last week and was looking at the Hoover windtunnel bagless canister. Has anyone had any contact with one of these? Do they work well? I like the wand and the hose on these. They are just like that of the Kenmore Magic Blue. Not big on the dinky attachments though!

Just opened the Lowes circular i found on the kitchen table and there are now Electrolux (Eureka) vacuums "new at Lowes" ,A amall canister , an upright and the Oxygen cannister! i think i will go see them up close tomorrow!!!

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Friday, November 07, 2003 at 22:36:00 (MST)


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Per President Watrous' posting, I personally am fine with submitting stuff for the newsletter on CD but know that this will surely lock out a lot of other members --- especially those who don't have a computer at all, let alone having a CD burner.

We have trouble enough as it is soliciting submissions; I'd think we would want to go in the other direction of being as accommodating as possible [like, messenger pickup of submissions!!] rather than discouraging people from contributing.......

Just my 137¢' worth...


Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Friday, November 07, 2003 at 19:17:17 (MST)


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Dear Members,

Louis Rescigno, the new newsletter editor called me today to let me know the 3rd/4th quarter newsletter will be out in about 7/10 days. This will be the last newsletter of 2003.

The Spring 2004 will be a larger issue now that the new formatting has been completed.

Any pictures for upcoming articles should be sent on a CD ONLY! All inqueries regarding future articles should be sent to Louis directly at Les1@aol.com

Thanks for your patience and we hope you enjoy the new issue. Have a great weekend!

PS-Reggie Ridlen, if you are reading this, I need your new email address. Thanks.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Friday, November 07, 2003 at 16:53:04 (MST)


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To Chuck C.:

The Air-Way model 55 was purple. The 55-A also came in purple, and was later changed to blue.

Do you remember Tania's purple Air-Way at the meeting? It was a model 55 (no 'a'), had a Two-Piece serial number plate (one plate had the watts, model, etc. and one had the patent numbers). Both rating plates were round, rather than rectangle. There was four wire 'feet' rather than eight 'knobs' at the bottom, and there was NO ring of metal just up from the switch. There was no air-evacuator assembly inside. There was no swivel for the rug and floor tools (the swivel was separate). In the VERY first 55, there was no 'holes' in the bottom of the bag compartment, the filter sat on three 'legs' that kept it from touching the top of the motor. If you reached your hand down, you would touch the top bearing of the motor's bearing bridge.

All these things were 'corrected' within two years of launch.

The improvements came very quickly to the model 55, and in 1939, it was called the model 55A. The first model 55 came out in 1937. I have all three purple Air-Way examples (one '55' and two '55A') plus the two blue '55A' examples in my collection.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Tuesday, November 04, 2003 at 11:37:32 (MST)


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Hi Gang......

First I must tell you all about the great time had this past Saturday. A friend of mine, Matt, who is a Lux collector, and still has not yet joined our group, had made arrangements to go to Bernie Mehlbaums. Bernie has a HUGE pile of old vacs, parts, attachments.... you name it. Bernie wanted some help sorting through all this, so we went to help out. We started by pulling everything into the yard, and sorted by make. After that we matched up tool sets, created complete machines, and some partials, Then we boxed and labeled everything

Bernie has a great collection of early machines that have been beautifully restored, and now some are even more complete with tool sets etc.

Matt and I were each "gifted"some FABULOUS items for helping Bernie.I recieved a near mint rug tool for my Hoover Aerodyne, have looked for about six years for this item... THANKS BERNIE!!

NOW, The big question of the day. I know far less than many other collectors, and was under the impression that the purple Air-Way was the model 55, and the blue was the 55-A. Part of the stuff I brought home was 4 Air-Way cleaners.. 2 purple, and 2 blue, the bottom plates match the color of the machine BUT the plate showing model#, serial # etc all say Model 55-A!! What is wrong with this picture??

Anyway, we had great time, and I know Bernie is looking to sell off some stuff, so keep him in mind. Also keep in mind that he has more than Air-Way. There is Lux, Lewyt, Hoover, some GE... The list goes on.

Hope everyone is well!

Chuck

Chuck Chatham
USA - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 17:53:47 (MST)


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Chalie Lester

Thanks for a great job. This website is a valuable part of this club and you have done a wonderful job with all of it. Keep up the great work.

Morgan

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Sunday, November 02, 2003 at 19:11:33 (MST)


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Hi all,

As promised, I have now moved all of October 2003's postings to the October 2003 archive.

Hope everyone had a fun and safe Halloween. It poured down rain here which was great in terms of the raging brush fires but not so great for the Trick-or-Treaters!

"Happy Hoovering" ---


Charles Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Saturday, November 01, 2003 at 23:25:20 (MST)


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My compact has the electric hose.

Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Saturday, November 01, 2003 at 18:18:53 (MST)


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To Reggie:

The C-9 was the last model called a Compact. It lauched in 1981 and came in both yellow and electric blue versions. My personal favorite is the blue one as it is a unique shade.

Is your hose the electric hose or straight suction?

I have several Eureka-built power nozzles for Compacts in my collection, some are duplicates.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Saturday, November 01, 2003 at 07:33:48 (MST)
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I'm loking for a attachment set for my Compact C-9. I have the hose and dusting brush, does anyone have any of the other attachments aor a power nozzle tat I could have?

Reggie
Parker, CO ƯUSA - Friday, October 31, 2003 at 22:20:07 (MST)


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Hi, iam looking for the chrome top rug nozzle for the Hoover Aerodyne model 50, does anyone have one for sale?


Thanks!!

Michael Hays
Greenfield, OH ƯUSA - Friday, October 31, 2003 at 06:22:36 (MST)


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Dimension 1000

Any club members looking for a Hoover Dimension 1000 that needs some TLC? I saw one at a local thrift store lately & snagged it thinking that some collector might want it. It's model S3283-040. Main motor, PN and electric hose all work. Tools are mis-matched, but it has the electric hose with the remote-control switch and rheostat. Matching power nozzle needs a belt, among other things. I was thinking about restoring it, but then I looked at the pile of unfinished projects on my workbench and thought I'd give someone else a shot at it. My cost ($10) plus shipping and it's yours.

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 21:01:53 (MST)


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Dear Members,


I hope you all have a safe and fun filled Halloween. Remember, if your costume is that of a Hoover, get the lettering right as you never know when the Hoover police will show up as they did in Louisville. (A certain Vice-president, Hoover policeman that is!)


Hve a great weekend.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC ƯUSA - Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 06:37:17 (MST)


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To RJ:


Thanks RJ for the infor on the bags.I'm sure there are some at Walmart here.


Charlie Thanks for the email today.


Well I hope everyone has a nice and safe Happy Holloween.


Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La ƯUSA - Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 19:30:50 (MST)


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Charlie:


I guess my e-mail address must be confusing. There is no letter r in my e-mail address. It is R3beeze@aol.com, NOT R3breeze@aol.com.


I hope this helps

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA ƯUSA - Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 15:05:39 (MST)


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Long Story with a Short Question:

Last summer I had an email forwarded to me from our own webmaster Charlie Lester. It came from a woman who had seen the rerun of the "Swept Away" segment on the CBS Sunday Morning Show. She was trying to locate "R. J. in Seattle" and sent an email to Charlie L. in hopes of finding me.

Well she found me. It seems she had recently purchased a home in Tacoma (about an hour's drive from me) fully furnished, that had not been occupied for 35 YEARS!!! Among the treasures there was "an old vacuum" that she thought might interest me. It wasn't for sale, but she wanted to GIVE it to someone who might appreciate it. (She thought of me because of the nearby location)

So I called her IMMEDIATELY and made an EMERGENCY drive to Tacoma that afternoon (before she had a chance to change her mind).

The "old vacuum" turned out to be something on my "wish list" that had eluded me for a long time - a GE C-3; the coral colored swivel top with the removable dolly. Other than a bit of surface dirt, the machine was in amazingly good shape. Both wands were there along with the flip-over rug/floor tool. There was a bit of tape on the hose, but still usable. We turned it on and it purred like a kitten.

While I was there they showed me their "daily driver" (a Hoover 344 that sounded like a thrashing machine & the cloth bag leaked like a sieve). I told them it needed a new lower bearing and a week later I went back and serviced their Hoover, including a new type A bag assembly & the lower bearing as a "thank you" for their donation. I also feel like a made some new friends in the process.

When I got the GE home I washed and dried the cloth bag and installed a new paper bag, and was impressed with the power.

Now the question: The 3 small tools (crevice/upholstery/dusting) were missing in action. Tania Voight was kind enough to send me a matching crevice tool. Does anybody have a dusting brush and upholstery nozzle in the matching coral (pink/orange) that they would like to sell-trade-donate to the cause to complete this classic beauty? Ken W? Marc T? any other GE fanatics?


R. J.

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 10:50:02 (MST)


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Folks,


I'm all set with Reggie Ridlen but now I don't have the correct address for:


Roger LeQuea relequea@theriver.com


Any info is appreciated!

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, ƯUSA - Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 09:24:37 (MST)


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Dear Members,


I sent some updates for you today. I can use your help on email addresses. The following are not good for whatever reason so if you are in contact with any of these folks, please have them email me with their correct address. Thanks!


Evan Rogers R3breeze@aol.com

Michael Baute alwaysjuke@aol.com

Peter Vidou www.pvidou@aol.com

Alice Ridlen (Reggie Ridlen) mrkirby@aol.com

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC ƯUSA - Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 09:11:21 (MST)


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Dear Santa,

all i want for Christmas is a hoover aerodyne and a Airway 88 mark II ive been a very good boy

ron jones
rockingham, nc ƯUSA - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 09:14:46 (MST)


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Thank You Charlie:

For all the great work on this website. If it wasn't for your effort and Charlie Watrous' vision, we wouldn't have this site.

tom gasko
desloge, mo ƯUSA - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 06:52:06 (MST)


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P.S.:


I forgot to mention that when you click on any of the archive links, either at the top or the bottom of this page, the link will automatically open up in a new browser window. That will make it easier to return here simply by closing that window when you are done.


"Ever Onward & Upward"


Charlie Lester
Hollywood, CA USA - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 03:29:08 (MST)


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Hello fellow Vacccers ---


As you can see, I have finally organized this forum a little better by archiving past months' postings.


At the end of October, I'll move any subsequent October posts into the October archive.


Then, hopefully, I will be able to keep on top of this month by month instead of having to sit here for nine hours at one stretch [it wasn't pretty...] doing a marathon clean-up, as I have had to do so today!


Enjoy!!

Charlie Lester
Hollywood, CA USA - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 02:14:16 (MST)


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To Skip-

No spare tools for Juniors at this time; as far as bags, all the US Juniors (except model 115-cloth bag) took a type "C" bag, the same bag as 63, 63, 634, and all the early convertibles. Type "C" Hoover bags should still be readily available at almost any vac shop.


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Sunday, October 26, 2003 at 08:02:22 (MST)



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Hello To All:


Well I won the last night for the vintage pontiac canister vac. It is identical to the Hudson canister that I like.


I bought a new Dell computer which is awsome, it sure beats my old compaq preserio for sure.


RJ I know you have some hoover Juniors Do you have any extra deposible bags or a extra set of attachments that you could sell me?


One thing I noticed about the american Junior verus the UK model. The cord is much shorter on the American model then the Uk model.


Thanks Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Sunday, October 26, 2003 at 07:24:29 (MST)



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Marty Rocha: I received the D80 handlegrip along with the surprise instruction book that I was THRILLED to have! Thanks again.


Reggie: I'm interested in the safety switch you offered me for my Kirby. I'll be in touch.


Thank you

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Saturday, October 25, 2003 at 06:44:31 (MDT)



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My legal assistant just emailed me this Halloween riddle. At first I wasn't going to post it presuming that vacuum cleaner jokes aren't released to the public without VCCC prior approval - so I figured you had all heard it. But if that is not the case, her 'tis:


QUESTION:

Why do witches fly around on broomsticks?

ANSWER:

They tried vacuum cleaners, but they couldn't get those suckers off the ground.




Mark Goodall
Omaha, NE USA - Friday, October 24, 2003 at 14:46:47 (MDT)



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To Morgan-

It's tough to find accurate dates for many Royals, since Royal never botheres to keep the kind of historical records that Hoover, Electrolux, Kirby and some others did. Your best bet for documenting Royal dates is through advertising. Some Royal magazine ads over the years identified specific model numbers in the ads; and if you know when the ad was printed, you're in luck. Specific Royal models that I can document through advertising are:

260 cylander-1948,1949

290 cylander-1950

290A cylander-1951

259 Upright-1949

279 Upright-1950, 1951

Maybe someone else who knows more about Royal history can help out? Can anyone identify a date for the Royal model 210 or 701 cylander?


R. J.

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 23:10:29 (MDT)



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Charlie,


I would not miss the convention for any reason. I have belonged to a lot of groups in my lifetime and this one gives me the most pleasure. Your leadership and the board of directors is wonderful.


Thanks for the advice on the cleaning the bag. I had considered hand washing as well. I may contact Mark Thomas as I don't want to ruin the Golden Crown on the bag.


Would anyone have a list of models and their ages for Royal Vacuums. I can not find any info in cyberspace.


Thanks again for the advice, AND KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!!


Morgan

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 21:47:39 (MDT)



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Morgan,


P.S.: Member Mark Thomas can work magic with restoring color and lettering to bags. He may be able to assist as well.


He may be reached at toonetta@aol.com

Charlie W.
Charlotte, NC USA - Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 07:27:42 (MDT)



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Morgan,


Greetings! (By the way it was greet to meet you at the convention and I hope you will plan to attend in Chicago in 2004) Re: the bag and cleaning it................at the risk of being terribly chastised by other members, (so what else is new?), I have washed bags that are on older vacuums that are really for display and not practical application.


Some of older vacuums that have shake out cloth bags that I rarely, if ever use, have had their bags hand washed. I turn them inside out and use a DROP of Woolite and rinse carefully immediatley to minimize color loss. No spin drying or wringing--just block dry like a good wool sweater. I have also had them dry cleaned.


If you have a good dry cleaner that will run them through separately at the end of the day or week, whenever they are about to change/filter their cleaning solution, in a sweater bag, (one of the fishnet things that you can zip the bag into), again turned inside out, it will turn out nicely as well.


When I have washed them, I realize that the poracity(?) of the bag is forever changed. Since most cloth bags spew dust, who cares? The color is nicely restored and they smell much better. After the bag is thoroughly dry, I also run it in the dryer for about ten minutes on low heat to "fluff" it a bit. I have always removed all metal parts and use COLD water.


I'm sure you are going to be told otherwise which is fine. I'm just relaying what I have done with good results.


Good Luck and best wishes.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 07:24:46 (MDT)



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Hi Everyone,


I need some help. One of my co-workers were cleaning out there grandparents atic and brought me to Royal Vacuums. A model 189 and a model 801.


I am wondering what years they were made. I have cleaned up the model 189, it is beautiful. The red and black bag. The front plate doesn't not have the adjustorite but rather a gold and red and black face plate. Very pretty.


Also the bag is a little fadded and dirty, is there a good way to clean it. I have used another vacuum and cleaned it that way.. I don't want to wash it.. any suggestions.


Morgan

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 05:54:39 (MDT)



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Hi All,


Just some advance warning that soon -- probably this weekend -- the Forum will be down for a day or so. I need to break the postings up into smaller chunks, with links to the older postings grouped into separate pages. I have needed to do this for quite a while but with so many plates in the air already, I just haven't had time to do it. But when this page starts taking a long time to load even with my hotrodded Mac and DSL connection then I know that this chore is well past-due.


Charlie Lester
Hollywood, CA USA - Wednesday, October 22, 2003 at 11:05:29 (MDT)



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Evan

The safety switch that I have is the right one. If you want it, let me know.


Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Monday, October 20, 2003 at 17:15:05 (MDT)



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Evan

I might have a safety switch foryour Kirby, but Ineed to see if it is the right one.

Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Sunday, October 19, 2003 at 23:13:09 (MDT)



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To the forum:


Yesterday, I received a Kirby 560 with all the accessories and tools in all the original boxes. many of the attachments have never been used. However, the bag is an aftermarket sanitronic bag, and the cord is green from a D-80. The plastic lens that covers the Kirby logo on the belt lifter is cracked. The safety switch (1 speed) cuts out and doesn't always work. I have all the attachments except for the red straight wand, and the crevice tool is only in so-so condition.


I am also wondering about the belt lifter on the floor polisher. The belt lifter on the rug nozzle is the triangular one, but the belt lifter on the floor polisher is the older style round red one. The floor polisher has never been used, so i'd be surprised if it was replaced, but i'm wondering.


If anyone can help me with my question, or any of the parts I need, I would greatly appreciate it.


Thank you.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Sunday, October 19, 2003 at 19:22:29 (MDT)



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Saturday, I was talking to a club member who is not on-line and thus not privy to any of the discussions that go on in the Forum. He said that he, and some other non-WWW club members, are feeling a bit left out of the action now, especially since a newsletter has not come out in so long. (He said the last one came out in May. Is that correct??!)


I guess it is easy for us who are on-line to forget how insular the WWW can be. Especially since, now, so many people ARE on-line.


Just a suggested "now discuss" topic to see if anyone has any ideas of how we can bridge the gap between on-line and non-on-line members. Besides the obvious, that is -- of everyone getting on-line! Some people can't, some people won't, for various reasons.



Charlie Lester
Hollywood, CA USA - Sunday, October 19, 2003 at 15:35:48 (MDT)



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Hi To All:


I just purchased an American Hoover Junior Model 1348. I was wondering if any one has any extra bags and also if any one has an extra set of attachments for it.


I'm still looking for the Coronado canister Model V222 or her sister vac the Viking.


If any one can help me out it will be truly appreciated.


Thanks Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Saturday, October 18, 2003 at 16:18:49 (MDT)



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Hoover Dial a Matic:


Hi all, i bought a Hoover DAM at the swap meet last week. It is model 1100. Is this the first DAM? How old is this? The brushes and beater bars spirl in the other direction than my other DAM's.


Evan,


I was at my folks house today and i now have the handle grip that you need. I will send it on Tuesday. I'm going to be at work for the next three days. It's motorcycle weekend here in Palm Springs! Thousands of people on bikes! YIKES! We'll see how many of them end up in the hospital. Ugh! I can't wait....



Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Friday, October 17, 2003 at 21:02:49 (MDT)



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Hi Marty.


I don't need the screw and cord hook, but since you asked, I would be happy to have them too. I might need them in case I ever lose a screw.


Thanks

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Tuesday, October 14, 2003 at 16:25:08 (MDT)



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Evan,


The bag on this Kirby is very scary.It's a red Classic 3 bag but it is so full of dirt it looks almost inflated. It has been rained on at some point so the bag is also kind of hard. A real big "ick" factor. But you are welcome to handle grip. Do you need the screw and the cord hook set up , let me know.


Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 21:34:02 (MDT)



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To Charlie Watrous:

Only a REALLY good serviceman could get an Oly motor into a DJ. You'll also need the Oly's bag cage to make it work.

Plus a lot of cuss words as you try to get past the four built-in motor mounts on the DJ. But, as you have proved, it CAN be done, and quite well too.


I have a wand off a Model G PN-1 that RJ can have for his Tan G.


Tom g.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 07:48:23 (MDT)



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Marty: Thank you very much for being so generous with sending me parts lately. I really appreciate it, and i'm glad you can help me with the handlegrip I need. I'll assume the bag is either missing or not original, since you didn't mention it.

Thanks again

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Sunday, October 12, 2003 at 19:36:22 (MDT)



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Evan,


I have an extra kirby D80 that my sister found along the road and she dropped it off at my parent's house. It does not work but it can be parted out. I'll send you the handle grip.


Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Sunday, October 12, 2003 at 18:38:18 (MDT)



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Marty: I don't need the entire handle fork, just the green handlegrip. Mine is in two pieces, and is taped together at the moment. If you have a handlegrip that you're willing to part with, please let me know.

Thanks.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Sunday, October 12, 2003 at 18:32:12 (MDT)



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Forum:


I am so p___ed at the moment! I sent to R.J. Vanik my tan G that his friend Richard bought from me for R. J.'s birthday. Many of you saw this vacuum at the Milwaukee convention and know how beautiful it is. I am a seriously thorough packer of vacs when shipping via Fed Ex.


Somehow, the Fed Ex folk managed to break the plastic wand, (if I understand R. J. properly), and now I want to find another for him so it will be fabulously correct. I had even replaced the b/r and belt with genuine parts!


So, if any of you out there know the whereabouts of the plastic sheath wand for the Tan G with a p/n 1, please contact me.


If this is not totally correct, R. J. please fill our members in.


Let's get this right for our Vice-Prez R. J.! Thanks for your help.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Saturday, October 11, 2003 at 15:18:52 (MDT)



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Evan, On the Kirby D80, do you need the whole handle or just the grip?


Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Saturday, October 11, 2003 at 12:59:39 (MDT)



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Correction to my post below: the town I live in is Concord, not cocnord.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Friday, October 10, 2003 at 23:15:39 (MDT)



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Happy Birthday R.J and Mark!


To the forum: There are a few parts that I am in need of that I forgot to mention on my never ending list of parts that I need.


I need a bag and a handlegrip for a Kirby Dual Sanitronic 80. I would also love to have a set of D80 tools if anyone has them.


I need a cord and a bag for a Kirby 509. I also need the crystalator, and the curved and straight wands (grey).


I also need a green bag for a Hoover 1030 convertible.


If anyone has any of the parts I need, please let me know.

Thanks

Evan Rogers
Cocncord, MA USA - Friday, October 10, 2003 at 23:12:41 (MDT)



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To: RJ and Mark


Happy Birthday to the both of you, Hope it was a great day for you'll.


I'm wishing you'll many more to come


Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Friday, October 10, 2003 at 22:19:36 (MDT)



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Members:


Please help me wish the happiest of birthdays to members R. J. Vanik, Vice-President, today, 10/9 and to Mark Thomas, (on his 39th?), tomorrow, Friday the 10th.


Our best to you boys and many happy returns of the day! You are both wonderful members of our club and good friends as well. My best to you.


Everybody have a great weekend.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Thursday, October 09, 2003 at 18:03:51 (MDT)



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Ok, nevermind...a big collosal joke played by two collector friends.....now i feel stupid...:D

:D :D


Cya guys later

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Thursday, October 09, 2003 at 18:01:21 (MDT)



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hi


Ok, ive been hearing rumours about a PLASTIC kirby being sold in stores like sears? and i hear about a plasic canister vac? WHY, if they are, would kirby EVER do that....can anyone clear this up?

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 21:21:47 (MDT)



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Tom G.:


Thanks for pinning down the time period the HB 14 was sold for me: 1938-41. I was also interested to learn that Stan Kann had just acquired a 14.


About a year ago I got a HB Model 8 from Charlie Watrous but didn't realize that the Model 8 came out in 1930.


Bernie M. and Martin R., thanks also to both of you for sharing thoughts and info on the HB 14 and 8.


Ben Clayton, Ewing, NJ:


It was interesting to visit with you the other night and to hear about your large and diverse collection.

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 18:37:27 (MDT)



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Tom,


Thank you for your information re: the Mark II 88 and Eureka powerhead. I have done some playing with the powerhead, (I'm on vacation and you know us vacuum nuts............), putting it on the Silverado, the current Signature Series, a Diamond J and tomorrow........the Dyson. It is interesting to note the noise difference with the different cannisters based on amps and air flow. I always use brand new empty bags, (genuine of course!), to have optimum air flow. The Silverado works very well with the "unit"--(Don Clark speak).


I have berber throughout so my testing is limited on some level. The powerhead when I got it had a CWP beater bar. The correct b/r for the Eureka was a Vibragroomer 1 with square ends. I replaced the CWP with the correct original b/r and the difference was totally noticeable right down to the sound! Instead of whinning, it purrs.


I'm looking forward to attaching it to the Dyson and the Rowenta I sold on QVC. I used that in the monster vac competition in Portland with a Eureka VGIII and won that year. That Rowenta is quite a fantastic compact canister. It sure will make the Rug Rat scream!


One last thing I think you will get a kick out of---yesterday I was replacing the motor of the Diamond J with an Olympia 1. Everyone I know said that the motors were interchangable. Guess what, THEY ARE NOT! The motor in the Diamond J is smaller, lighter, with a smaller fan and cover. The area between the motor and bag cage is shorter, requiring the extended bag cage. Furthermore, the welded in motor "mount" that holds the motor via the 4 nuts, has a different shape than the Olympia motor. The Olympia motor is of the Silverado and Super J ilk but not of the latter Diamond J.


However, through some clever metal maneuvering and a lot of cuts on the hands, I got the Olympia motor in the Diamond J,replaced the cage, creating a one-of-kind, (as far as I know), Diamond J! I did a total "make over" on the outside and it is going as a surprise birthday/x-mas gift to Tania. She told me that she always wanted one. So now, she will have a custom model!


Again, thanks for your info. Hopefully we can talk before too long. My best to you and yours.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 18:16:53 (MDT)



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To Charlie Watrous:

When the Signature Series Air-Way was being developed, I had the opportunity to spend a few days at Air-Way's factory in Alabama. They have a small room where they have test rigs for vacuums. Steve Tomberlin and I tested many styles of power nozzles before settling on the RugMasteR from CenTec.


We did remove the fan from the old style Eureka upright/power nozzle and tested it. The fan (and the air flowing through it) put a drag on the motor (as does the belt and brush roller). Without the fan (and without the drag), the motor turns MUCH faster, too fast for the brush to be efficient.

We did use two fiber washers to make up for the space where the fan would have been.


The Eureka upright/power nozzle isn't as good an idea as Don Clark thought (but who wants to argue with him). The airflow out of the fan chamber of the upright is restricted by the smaller air-way bag (in an upright, the bag is far larger, resulting in more surface area for the air to esacape). As the bag clogs with dust, the airflow through the Air-Way is reduced to the point where the fan from the upright is actually pushing fine dust out of the suction control ring.


In a canister vacuum, you have great pressure (water lift) with lower air-flow than an upright. In an upright, you have great CFM (airflow) but low water lift. By combining the two machines, in truth, neither will work as they should alone.


Lets face it, when the air flow is restricted through a canister due to a clogged out bag, having a fan trying to 'push' the air into a machine that cannot accept it, just results in high pressure within the hose and wand. This pressure is released, somewhat, through the openings (like the suction control ring) or through the swivel joints, resulting in dust escaping at those places.


IF the system were totally sealed from the back of the upright, through the wand and hose, to the cleaner, the fan in the power head would just spin in space without doing anything. The fan in the upright CANNOT force air into the canister IF the canister cannot accept and disperse the higher airflow. Ultimately, the airflow through the upright power head would be identical to the airflow through the head IF there were NO fan at all. The fan in the upright head ultimately makes no difference at all ONCE THE BAG IN THE CANISTER BEGINS TO CLOG.


I'll be happy to prove this at the next convention using a clean bag in the Air-Way and a partially filled bag.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 07:30:30 (MDT)



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Hey everyone!


Even though i know this is pointless to ask, does anyone have a bag for a 505? Someone is giving me thier 505 for free and it has a Sanitronic bag on it. He said the only other thing that it needs is the black bumper on the headlight, does anyone have black colored bumpers or know where i could possibly get a new one? Thanks



James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Monday, October 06, 2003 at 20:20:00 (MDT)



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R.J.,


I know that you can operate the Eureka powerhead as such with the Mark II 88. But, keeping in mind, the fan is blowing the dirt up the handle with tremendous speed since it is in it's own right a Eureka upright that would have taken an F & G bag inside of a cloth outer bag.


So here you have this Air-Way 7 amp vaccum trying to accept the dirt/debris being essentially blown into it's hose by the Eureka. I want to question Don Clark about this in Chicago in 2004. Does it really make sense?


Remember in the "Monster Vac" category in 2002 in Louisville, when you, (I think), or me even, put the Hoover 29 with the fan intact on the Air-Way 88 and lost because the fan of the powerhead was defeating the purpose of the "mother" Air-Way vacuum.


Does this make sense? I would like to bring the Air-Way 88 with the Eureka powerhead to Chicago next year since most members have never seen this combo and this will be the first time it can be entered in a ligit category due to changes that the members are crying for.


Thanks ahead for your input and as always my best to our Vice-President!

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Sunday, October 05, 2003 at 21:48:57 (MDT)



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Does Tri-Star sell power nozzles and attachments for Compact vacuums? Also, is there any way to put new locking button on the ends of GE Swivel Top hoses and wands?

Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Sunday, October 05, 2003 at 18:09:47 (MDT)



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To Evan R-

Yes, either one of those waxes would be safe on painted surfaces, plastic/bakelite hoods, and even on vinyl/rubber bumpers. Jubilee may have been discontinued, but if it's still available it should be in the household cleaning aisle of the grocery stores. Turtle wax works just as well.

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Sunday, October 05, 2003 at 09:20:23 (MDT)



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R.J: Thanks for your help on the Hoover/Eureka belts. If you have ever tried to use a Hoover belt on a Eureka, it is very tight. However, I have done so in a pinch, but it helps to stretch them out first like you said.


I picked up some Turtle wax. I used it to wax the hood on my Hoover 28. This stuff works extremely well. I was very impressed with the results. I am assuming that it is safe to use on bakelite/plasic? I couldn't find the Jubilee kitchen wax. Its quite possible that it isn't sold here in MA.


Thanks again for your help.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 22:17:36 (MDT)



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To Evan R-

You're right on target - the Eureka/Sanitaire belt is the belt of choice for the pre-convertible uprights (with a few exceptions): model 425 took a unique flat belt, and models 102, 105, 541, and 543 will do better with a stretched out (used) Eureka/Sanitaire belt.


To Ron J-

That blue & white Penncrest tank was indeed made in Britain by Hoover Ltd. It's squared cylander shape was reminiscent of the model 415 Holiday. It was part of Hoover's introductory line-up under the Penncrest label introduced in 1964. If it's model 1190, it came with the stretch hose, standard Hoover-style rug/floor tool (only in place of the "Hoover" logo there was the "P" logo), 2 (non-telescoping) wands, the furniture brush and the crevice tool. That was the budget-priced offering of 3 canister models for JC Penney, and the last (cylander-style) tank Hoover ever made for the US market.


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 20:39:31 (MDT)



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a great find, today was riding along and found a penncrest tank cleaner white with lite blue it looks like some sort of Hoover tank but on its belly says made in Britain it has the famous Hoover flex hose and floor tool. its dirty needs some paint in other areas but that didnt stop me from slamming on brakes and flinging it into the truck of the Park Avenue, havent treid to run it yet

ron jones
rockingham, nc USA - Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 15:29:54 (MDT)



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Evan

I measured it, and there is a longer distance between the brusroll, and the pulley om my Hoover28, but it was less than 1/2inch. But my Eureka had a much longer dintance than my 28. The Hoovers are close enough that I don't think that it would putting very much more stress on the bearing.

Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 14:59:50 (MDT)



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To R.J: Thank you very much for the information on the 115 and the wax. I'll pick up some Turtle Wax later today.


To Reggie: Actually, if you look at a Hoover round belt next to a Eureka round belt, you will find that the Hoover belt is smaller. If I heard correctly, the the distance from the belt pulley to the brushroll on the pre Convertible cleaners is longer. If this is correct, you would want to use the Eureka belt because the Hoover belt would put more stress on the lower bearing. I could be entirely wrong on this though.


To Morgan Frazer: Thank you so much for your offer on the brushstrips and the attachment set. I'll be in touch. I don't have a spring clip for your Eureka to spare at the moment, but it shouldn't be all that hard to find one. I'll let you know if I come across one.


Thank you

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 07:29:40 (MDT)



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Evan,


I have a brand new set of brushes for a Hoover Model 28. Contact me if your interested. Also I have a Eureka Rotomatic as well and I am in need of the spring clip that hold the hose in place. If any one out there has a spare...


Evan, I also have an extra attachment set for the Model 28 if your interested. It would not include the hose but is is a full set.


Morgan

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 06:25:58 (MDT)



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Evan

I don't think that there is any differenc between the Hoover and Eureka round belts. I put a Hoover one on my Hoover 28, and I don't think that it is causing a problem.

Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Friday, October 03, 2003 at 22:14:00 (MDT)



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To Charlie W-

I'm thinking you could remove the fan if you wanted to, but I can't understand WHY you would want to, other than just to experiment. I'm also guessing that in it's place you may have to put a spacer or several washers to fill the void between the lower bearing and the belt pulley.


To Evan R-

Yes, there was a color change during the course of the 115 production. The earlier ones had a wrinkle finish; the later ones used the hammertone finish.

As far as wax for restored machines, I know several collectors who use car wax (like Turtle Wax, available at most auto parts & hardware stores) and I often use Jubilee kitchen wax (available at most grocery stores).

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Friday, October 03, 2003 at 21:51:41 (MDT)



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To the forum:


I have a few questions. I would greatly appreciate anyones input.


At the convention this past June, I got a Hoover 115 from Stan Hagan. It has a tannish-copper colored hammertone finish. I have seen other 115's that had brown wrinkle finish paint that were the same color and finish as a model 28. Did Hoover change the color/finish of the 115's paint later on in it's production run? Or has it been repainted in a color that is not the original?


Also, I have been told by several members of the club that you should use a round eureka upright belt on all the Hoovers made before the Convertibles. Is this true?


I am also wondering if anyone can recommend a brand of wax to use when polishing machines after they have been restored. Fred Stachnik told me to get some SC Johnsons paste wax, but I can't find it anywhere in MA. Does anyone have any experience with a product that works well? Let me know.


I am in search of a few different parts, so I would be greatful if anyone can help me out.


I am looking for a set of brushstrips for my Hoover 28, as well as a cord. I also need a floortool, rugtool, dusting brush, and a cord for a blue and white Eureka Roto-Matic 860A. All the tools for the machine are blue. The rugtool is really beat up, and the floortool and dusting brush are missing. The cord that is on it is black, and clearly not the original. I am guessing that it originally would have been blue.


Thanks in advance for anyone who can help.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Friday, October 03, 2003 at 20:12:44 (MDT)



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Forum:


I have a question. I have an Air-Way Mark II 88 with the matching Eureka powerhead. If you run the powerhead with the fan, there is tremendous air flow going into the Air-Way hose. After all, the powerhead is just a Eureka upright in Air-Way tourquoise drag. The Air-Way which has a 7 amp motor does not create enough suction to work efficiently with the powerhead.


Here is the question: If I remove the fan from the Eureka will that damage the motor? By removing the fan, it will be a true "powerhead" as it will then just be a revolving brushroll will all the air flow created by the Air-Way vacuum. With the fan out, could the motor operate at a higher rpm and cause the motor to burn out?


Louis Rescigno and I talked about it today and he seems to feel it would be just fine. Sometimes I like to hear several opinions and this is one of those times. Thanks!


A great fall weekend to all.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Friday, October 03, 2003 at 08:57:13 (MDT)



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To Reggie-

Yes, Vorwerk attachments will fit the Advance Mighty Maid.

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Friday, October 03, 2003 at 07:02:41 (MDT)



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To Tom G.


Thanks for the offer of the Roll Easy bags. I would like them very much. I think it was you that was wanting some Sunbeam Challenger bags but i'm not sure. I was at my folk's house today digging around in the "vacuum room" and i found a bunch of bojack Challeger Bags. VCB brand or something like that. Let me know if you are interested and i will send the to you.


RE: Jim Kirby's Hamilton Beach


I myself have an HB no.8. I have no idea how old it is but the lettering on the red bag is very deco. When i bought my GE roll easy recently, there was a cardboard flyer for directions on using the DeLuxe attachments for HB models 8, 12, and 14. The set is no.120.


Sort of makes me think there may have been more than just the Roll Easy in the garage at that estate sale. Hmmmm!

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Thursday, October 02, 2003 at 22:11:06 (MDT)



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Does anyone have a good brushroll for a Advance Mighty Maid (Vorwerk). Also, would Vorwerk attachments fit this vacuum?

Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Thursday, October 02, 2003 at 21:04:07 (MDT)



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Bernie,


Thanks for your quick reply to my question. Haven't turned the HB on yet but am going to before turning in tonight.


Best regards.

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Thursday, October 02, 2003 at 20:41:18 (MDT)



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Jim,

With regard to your HB 14...I would guess that your 14 might date from the 40's. Reason being, I have a 12 that is definitely art deco that I would date from the mid to late 30's. Also, have a complete 14 here if you need parts.

Bernie

Bernie Mehlbaum
Hbg, PA USA - Thursday, October 02, 2003 at 17:42:07 (MDT)



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Greetings from the Heartland:


Just bought a Hamilton Beach upright Model 14 Champion from a vac shop in Topeka, KS, yesterday. It has the original bag and is in good shape.


Actually I had spotted it this past Sunday afternoon. As I drove into the parking lot of this vac shop, I could see the handle of a machine that appeared to be from the forties and could see that it had a royal blue cloth bag. I parked and looked through the window of the shop to get a better look at the vac. It appeared to be a Hamilton Beach.


Monday I called the vac shop, and the owner told me it was a Model 14 Champion. We agreed on a price, and I told him I'd pick it up after a funeral I'd be attending on Wednesday.


Now a question: Is the Model 14 pre-

World War II, from, say 1940 or the late thirties?



Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Thursday, October 02, 2003 at 15:41:03 (MDT)


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Hi Tom,


I bought another G-3 today from a brand new pawn shop that just opened. There were 2 of them both for $99.00. I pick the one that was all original, The other one had another plug on it not a Kirby plug.


The one I picked also was in super mint condition and has a good transmission. The other has a bad transmission. I will use my old one as a parts vac now.The new has no paint loss or any rust of any kind.


To all Members:


I went to the Pawn shop a block from my house just to see if he had any Kirbys. This is after I bought my G-3. To my surprise They have a Kirby G-4 there are no attachments that I saw. It looks like it's in pretty god shape. They are selling it for 99.00. That's is really a good price because they are more expensive on ebay.


If anyone of you'll are interested in it let me know. I can always ship to anyone.

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Monday, September 29, 2003 at 21:57:42 (MDT)



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Tom,


I believe I just need the standard attachments for the Royal.. I have a model 1048 and a 3something..

I would be interested..


Morgan

Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Monday, September 29, 2003 at 17:42:21 (MDT)



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To James W.:

Kirby still makes a brush roller for the 1952 model 512. You want the brush bristles to extend 1/16 of an inch past the stainless steel rug guard on the nozzle. It's impossible to measure this by eye, so use a card ( a playing card is fine ) and lay it across the opening. Move the card back and forth and if the brush bristles 'snap' the card, they are extended correctly.


To Morgan F.:

Which Royal vacuum do you want attachments for? I have a spare hose coupling for the Royal Standard and Super models.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Monday, September 29, 2003 at 13:59:17 (MDT)



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To Tom,

I will have to buy me another G-3 I opened it up It was caked in rust I'm thinking the old house was too humid and it even maybe rained on it because there was even mildew on it. I should have never stored them in there but I thought it would have been ok.I think I can get one from the pawn shop for 99.00 without attachments but I have everything with mine so I just need the upright it self.I will use my old one for parts there are still some good parts on it.


To Marty:

Well I'm glad Ken is sending you the cord for your rolleasy. Marty I bought some Chrome polisher from Walmart It's called Maas polishing cream and it did a really good job on the Kirby's it was in the cleaning supplies section by the Johnson's paste wax.


Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La. USA - Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 22:45:10 (MDT)



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Hi everybody


Umm, well, i did a no no to my Kirby 512. I need a bag for it now. The one that came with it is absolutely fine, but the logo kind of well sort of came off.....(its still legible) If anyone happens to have one to sell im ready to buy! Also, anyone know how to work the beater bars on the old things? I cant get it properly height adjusted! Do they still make brushes for them???thanks

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 21:01:44 (MDT)



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Hi Everyone.


Just wondering if anyone out there has an attachment set for a Royal Vacuum and a Hoover Model 706. I would like the Hoover set to be the deluxe set with the floor brush. With both I would need the hoses as well.


Looking forward to next years convention!! And I hear it is close to Wisconsin again..


Thanks



Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 16:11:42 (MDT)



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Greetings All!


Martin, I do have an excellant new cord for your newly found GE roll easy! I will send it out to your PO address. Good luck finding the hose--but, you never can tell! Happy hunting.


Ken Wagman

Ken Wagman
Capron, IL USA - Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 08:47:26 (MDT)



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To Marty:

I have a couple of spare disposable bags for the Roll Easy if you need any.

Good luck with your search for a hose and wands.


To the Forum:

Does any one have a spare base plate (soleplate) for the Hoover 305? I have a 305 that Frank Morgan gave to me, but it's missing the soleplate. I would really appreciate it if anyone has a spare.


To Skip:

Are you sure the G3's transmission is really bad? Many times the handle pivot's control know gets pulled out of the linkage that tells the transmission to go forwards or backwards. You can check by removing the top cover (two screws in front, two in back under the white plastic scuff plate). More than likely, the knob is 'outside' the linkage so its not telling the transmission to go in either direction. Abrupt lifting by the handle will do this sometimes.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 08:33:55 (MDT)



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Hi Skip,


Nice to meet you in print. Thanks for the info on the GE cord. I've known Ken for some time now so i will contact him. Thanks for considering me.


On those Kirby's, I've always had good results with Mother's Mag and Aluminum Polish. You can get it at WalMart where the car polish is kept. Good luck with the Kirbys!!!


LOL!!! I'm starting to sound like a spokes person for Mother's Mag Polish!


Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Saturday, September 27, 2003 at 23:33:49 (MDT)



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HI Marty,


You can email Ken Wagman. He does have an extra rolleasy cord because he was going to send it to me but I don't need it. Ken's Email address is Kaw6657@aol.com.


Marty Ken is a real busy man so he might not answer your email right away but he will answer it. It might take him a couple of days to answer your email but he will.


Marty I think the hose might be hard to find unless maybe Tania or Mark might have an extra one.


Well I finally went into my old storage house and got my other vacs out of there and they all run.They were put in there in 1997. I thought my kirbys wouldn't have run but they do. I'm kinda disappointed My G-3 runs but I do need to change the fan on it, but the transmission isn't working anymore.


So i was going to remove the bottom plate to see what is wrong and 2 of the screws are rusted bad. I tried to take them out but they won't budge so I think I might just try to find me another G-3 in good shape at one of the pawn shops and use this one for parts. I'm hoping I can fix it but don't know if I can.


I'm cleaning them all up and I"m polishing the chrome on my Kirbys.


Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Saturday, September 27, 2003 at 22:31:29 (MDT)



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Marty R.,


If you don't hear anything from our forum, you may want to try Tania, (she does not have a computer), as she has quite a few Roll Easy parts and/or access to them. Also, Marc Turbyfill has been known to have Roll Easy items. He has not posted here that I am aware of so I wanted to let you know. Good luck in finding the cord!


Charlie Lester, what happened to my picture? Did someone spill acid on our database? Are the sharks circling?

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Saturday, September 27, 2003 at 14:12:20 (MDT)



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Correction:


My email is actually: mdanielps@aol.com


Duh!! Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs , Ca USA - Saturday, September 27, 2003 at 13:25:23 (MDT)



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Hi All,


I have to say someting about a ebay hoover currently on auction. Sorry Charlie but this isn't bad. In June i bought a Hoover 300 from Tim Fuller at the convention, and took the best parts from this machine and one that i already had. I ultimately kept the one that i bought from Tim and just three weeks ago donated a bunch of vacuums to the thrift store,the Hoover 300 i had previously owned among them.


Well as i was surfing through ebay last night, i was surprised to find that 300 listed! Someone must have found my old 300, bought it and listed it. It is item #2348783674. The only reason i mention this is that when i donated it, it had a broken belt pulley. Unless the seller fixed it, it may still have a broken pulley.


I thought i would let you all know in case one of you decide to bid on it. It works fine otherwise.



GE CORD SEARCH:


I was at two estate sales this morning and at one i found Hoover portable upright. The lady at the estate sale said "I have another vacuum in the garage. Do you want to see it?" Turned out to be a turquoise GE Roll Easy R1!!!! After a few palpatations that required a nitro tab, I said, " I'll take it!!!"


What i am looking for now is a cord. The cord for this machine is so frayed at the female end that bare wire is showing. Also, i need the copper wands and a turquoise hose. The wands i have now are steel and the hose is a white woven hose. If anyone has any of these items for sale please let me know. My email is below.


Thanks, Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Saturday, September 27, 2003 at 13:18:53 (MDT)



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I just got a Vorwerk vacuum, but its called "Advance Mighty Maid". It needs a new brush bar. I don't know very much about these vacuums, or where to get parts and attacments. Do they have them at vac shops, or do I have to order it?

Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Friday, September 26, 2003 at 12:08:10 (MDT)



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Hey Everyone--


Just a note to all of you Hoover Floor Polisher fans out there--


I little birdie told me that the current models (F2300-just the motor, and the F4300-motor and dispensing tank) are being discontinued for good.


Its sad, yes. So, if anyone wants one 'last' Hoover floor polisher, go find em now.


The F5300 (a.k.a. Floor-a-Matic, Scrub 'n Vac Shampoo Polisher) was discontinued about a year ago.


Thats all for now.. Happy Polishing



Fred Stachnik
Milwaukee, WI USA - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 at 20:23:37 (MDT)



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Hi everyone! How are things. Well, i started my new job Monday. I couldnt wait either... i HAD to see what vacuum cleaners id be cleaning with. Turns out its a Sanitaire and a Kirby. Just thought id tell you the condition! Its heart breaking!!! Lol, anyway. The sanitaire had been used with no belt!!! And the back was LITTERALY rock hard!! GROSS! The kirby's hose into the saniemptor was SOLID full of dirt. And the beater bar could no longer move! ACK, so i took them home and they work great now! Its unbelieveable what condition these things are found in eh?? And especially how easily the repairs are!


Well, i also come in search for my kirbys! I have found everything i need for my kirbys. Ill just write a short list! I will pay, trade, or do whatever i need to so i can get parts so just ask


I need a: DS 50 saniemptor and bag. A sanitronic VII bag, ANYTHING for a 518, and a gray cord for a 512. Im also looking for manuals!


Just email me if you have something youd like to get rid of! Also, if any of you Kirby nuts want to talk, just add me to your yahoo messenger or MSN messenger! Or email me! I love to talk with fellow collectors!


Have a nice day!

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 at 17:53:33 (MDT)



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Dear Reggie,


I am Charlie Lester, the webmaster for the VCCC Forum.


I just want first of all to welcome you to the Club and to our Forum, and second of all want to apologize if I sounded like I was jumping on your case about your postings about eBay.


I did not know, until one of the other members told me, that you are both a new member and a "junior" member. So you probably don't know that a lot of people tend to get their "knickers in a knot" when other people start posting stuff about what's being listed on eBay.


Exceptions would be "advertisements" for things you are listing, or to poke fun at some of the incredibly stupid things that get listed ---- you know, the "raer vintege anteek soler-powwered sweaper from King Tutts' toomb" sort of thing!


But with listings for old cleaners, there does sometimes get to be a certain amount of competition for them and it's generally best not to post "hints" or URLS about things you have seen. "Discretion is the better part of valor" as the old saying goes.


I gather you like Kirbys, as do I. Since we are from different generations the machines that appeal to us are likely different as well, but that's the way it usually works out. I have found that we collectors tend, as a general rule, to be most interested in the machines we remember from our early childhood.


I mostly like the Kirby 500 series, both the early and late versions, but I tend to have a softer spot for the 513 through 515 because I saw so many of them when I was a little kid. My father is a retired minister, and my mother a retired organist -- so we did a lot of visiting with people in the various churches where my dad was the pastor.


I would inevitably make a beeline for the host's vacuum cleaner, to the terrific embarrassment of my parents! In those days, there was not a club of vacuum cleaner collectors, and furthermore, it just wasn't "proper" for little boys to go running around using the sweeper --- that was considered "women's work" and it did raise a few eyebrows!


It got to the point where, whenever we'd be driving to someone's house to visit, my mom would turn around from the front seat, glare at me, waggle her finger and admonish, "And YOU stay AWAY from their SWEEPER!" Of course, that command fell upon deaf ears ........ the allure of the vacuum cleaner was just too great, and it was never long before I had found it and had it out and using it, usually to the delight of our hostess who did not seem to mind a little boy taking care of their housework for them!


Even as a toddler I knew quite a lot about vacuum cleaners and could immediately tell if there was something wrong. I would go to the lady and tersely announce, "Your sweeper has a broken belt and that's why it is not picking up any dirt." She would smile nicely, thinking, "what does that little kid know" ... then I guarantee you the minute we left, she'd pull the vacuum out of the closet, turn it over, and see to her amazement that I was right!!


I even said once, to a lady's great embarrassment, "If you would put a new bag in the sweeper it would pick up that dirt under your couch, and it [the machine] would not smell so bad!"


And I saw a lot of vacuum cleaners IN churches! One favorite place was a big old church in Virginia where my mother played the organ -- the Head Custodian, an older Black man, had made friends with me because I was always hanging around him to "help" him vacuum --- at three years old!!


The church had some kind of old ancient vacuums, at least two or them, don't remember much about them except they looked like farm tools! I don't think they were major brands, because I have never seen any like them since. All I remember is that they were probably straight-suction because the nozzles were very narrow, they had very long plain wooden handles, and brown-colred bags that looked like big feed sacks!


But one day when I went over there with my Mama while she practiced on the organ, I saw the custodian. He was grinning from ear to ear and said for me to come with him, he had something to show me. He took me down the hall to his room, you know, where all the cleaning supplies were stored, opened the door, and there, lined up against the wall were two brand-new Kirbys! This was in 1960 or 1961, and they were 560s or 561s -- I clearly remember the gold-burst belt lifters on the machines!


A lot of people in our area had various red and gray Kirbys, including my Aunt Dabney who lived nearby. She had a very old Kirby -- I never was able to figure out the exact model because it apparently had been rebuilt several times and did not have "consistent" trim and accessories, but I think it was a 2-C. It had the very old type of rear axle that was a separate piece, but it had a speckled gray bag, grey cord, grey and red trim, and gray attachments. AND it had the newer-type metal handle (instead of metal and wood) with a red handle grip.


I was TERRIFIED of that thing because it made a terrible racket. There was something wrong with it (in retrospect, a broken fan blade) and it made a horrific ROAR when she used it ----- it just would scare the daylights of out me!


She often baby-sat me and if she wanted to keep me outside and out of her hair, she would take the Kirby out of the living-room closet where she kept it, and set it out on the front porch. I would not go near the thing! Whenever she was using it while I was there, I would watch her --- from a safe distance outside, peering in through the screen door!


I also really like Electroluxes because, again, so many people had them. The local Electrolux man must have been very industrious because almost everyone I can think of that lived in our area had one.


I remember XXXs, LXs, Es, AEs, Ss, Rs, and Fs from my early childhood -- my parents had an AE, and a next-door neighbor had an E. Then when the G and L came out, a lot of people got those too.


Well I won't talk your ear off, I just wanted you to know I felt kinda bad about "biting your head off" and hope you understand it's just because I am very protective of the Forum. We have had a lot of difficulty with bad people trying to cause trouble there and that's why the forum is limited to club members only.


There was SO MUCH trouble at one time that it has caused the Board Members and myself to have "hair triggers" about what's posted there. But please don't feel like you have to be censored ...... just in terms of eBay in particular, think about how you would feel if you were "secretly" watching an auction that it appeared no one else had found, and all of a sudden someone comes in and splashes an announcement about it on the forum!


Happy vacuuming!


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Charlie Lester


Oh, P.S., I almost forgot to mention, I have a huge website with many vacuum cleaner pages, including a very comprehensive review of the 500-series Kirbys, a project I had wanted to do for many years. There are still a few loose ends on it but it's pretty nearly complete. If you go to my main website portal at http://www.137.com and scroll down the page, you will come to the "sweeper" section. Enjoy!


[P.P.S.: I tried to send this to your email address that we have for you, but it bounced back ... please provide us with your current email address, thx.]



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Just "FWIW" .......


It is generally considered in bad form to get on the various vac forums and give out links or "clues" as to things being auctioned on eBay.


eBay is very competitive in our little world, and it's really not very charitable to post information about auctions YOU are not particularly interested in (*) but that someone else may be watching.


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(*) If "you" were really interested in a given auction, come on now, "can we tawk" ... would you really give out information about it?!

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Trust me, if it's on eBay, most of us have found it. If we haven't, then too bad. But by providing these "helpful" announcements, it only fosters greater animosity and greed as people get into a frenzy of auction-grabbing. There's no law against it, just know that most people do not think too highly of it.


And on another note .......


About sniping, I have already "confessed" that I have very reluctantly been doing it in some cases. I do NOT like doing it, I think it's dirty-pool and low-down.


And, yes, of course, those whom I have "taken to task" for sniping have been quick to jump up and shriek about what a hypocrite I am ..... until I politely remind them that it is only because of THEM, and people LIKE THEM, that I, and other formerly more-polite and considerate eBay patrons, have ultimately resorted to sniping.


THE THING IS.......


Number one, there are certain people ("you know who you are") who watch what others of us bid on as a way of finding auctions that otherwise may slip thru the cracks because of misspellings, improper category listings and so on.


Number two, it seems there are certain people who have an uncontrollable urge to trot in and place their little 2-cent bids on every auction that someone else bids on, whether or not they are really interested in the auction ------- just the way dogs have to stop and "mark" every tree, bush and hydrant that they pass.


And Number Three, placing early bids on stuff can tip others off that you're interested, and that will just encourage THEM to snipe YOU. Why leave yourself wide open for a sucker punch?!


By waiting til the last minute to snipe-bid, you can avoid most of these annoying and bad-mannered pests.


Again, in a perfect world this wouldn't be necessary. We'd all go on eBay and behave as gentlemen and gentlewomen instead of going out of our way to be a bunch of greedy-grabbers, double-crossing and trying to out-wit our fellow collectors. Kinda the way the club USED to be, when there were only a dozen of us. Growth does have its disadvantages.



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I have a problem, I was just on Ebay, and I can't decide what to bid on. I decided to bid on either a new set of Royal attachments, or Electrolux model T with attacments.

Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Tuesday, September 23, 2003 at 21:07:10 (MDT)



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To All Members,


Do any of you all have any extra polishing brushes for a Electrolux model B-8 polisher?


I aquired one today from My local Kirby Dealer and it only came with the shampoo hrushes and I need the polishing brushes for my Hard wood floor.


Thanks to anyone who can help me out.


Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Monday, September 22, 2003 at 19:35:11 (MDT)



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To James W.:

There's no need to go into a bidding war on eBay. We had our own version of a 'sniper' who was a former member of our club. He made tons of folks mad at him and alienated himself from the group.


If you really want to win, go to www.robobidder.com

and you'll discover that you can get things far more reasonably.


To Reggie:

The Bison Centurion is the machine only. No tools. It's been on the sales floor in this particular shop since 1981 and no one has purchased it (weighs a TON and there are NO replacement/repair parts available). Bison went out of business in 1982.


Dick Shaefer, President of Bison, set up MANY distributors over the years they were in business. Most people with Bisons would have had trouble locating any repair parts and it's likely that used Bisons would need some repair before being able to work properly. Many would have traded them in on other sweepers long ago. Still, we see them from time to time, used, in the trade-in room of the Rainbow or Kirby sales offices, going for between $5 and $10 each.


To Skip A:

Jason Davis is someone who used to belong to the club. I remember the first meeting he attended in Allentown, PA. His father was ready to leave and Jason threw an absolute fit. Told everyone he was going to jump out of the plane because he didn't want to leave. And he was 19 at the time.


He has a Cadillac that I gave him, straight suction machine, pre-war. The upright you were speaking about would have been among the last Cadillac cleaners made, they were still using the old formula of a Kirby or Royal type machine. Failure to change with the times is why Cadillac (and Clements Manufacturing) didn't make it to the 1960's.


To Brother Chris:

It was so good to see you today. Had tons of fun with you and Stan Kann. If St. Peter was the 'rock' on which Christ built his church, Stan's collection is the 'rock' on which the Collector's Club is built. There must be a begining, and Stan's collection is it!


Next time we visit Stan, we'll drag the HUGE Hoover 972 upstairs and run it over Stan's beautiful oriental rugs. It was made for cleaning that type of carpet. The sound of the agitator as it beats the carpet is music unto itself. The huge 32 blade fan creates tremendous suction, even more awesome when we remember that it was a 1926 model.


Glad you got Stan to play a mini concert for us. His neighbors must have thought they lived next door to the Symphony. When Stan gets back from Detroit's concert series (two weeks) he wants to come out to visit me. Perhaps you and Stan could ride together...But this time...don't forget your wallet...you might run into a traffic cop who wants to see it. (smile). It really was great to see you again. You were like a child in a candy store, standing among Stan's magnificent collection.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 22:58:21 (MDT)



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Hi everyone!


Well how many of you have tried to beat the annonymous Oren69? Well i had a bidding battle with him/her at the last minute (litteraly) on a Kirby Model 512 (all original) And for the seventh time ive tried to outbid him i DID. For once ive beat him!


Ive heard from another member that some people have been having problems with him/her and bidding rediculous amounts!


The Kirby is Awesome! Or at least to me! Its mainly all original! It has the Carpet fluffer/floor buffer. Original hose and attachments all in the box (buffer too) and instruction manual! the bag is orignal and appears to be in great condition. The only thing im looking for is a gray cord for that model...the cord on this one is red! Anyone have one? Like i said i have a couple hoover motors and bags! A trade off maybe?


Have a great day!!!!!

James Wyrembelski
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What shop is it at? I definately want it, I almoost had a new one for $150 on ebay, but I didn't meet the reserve. I was also wondering what extra attachments it would come with.

Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 14:41:58 (MDT)



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Hi Charlie,


I am thankful that you asked me that because I never did get great typing skills. But it does make sense what you were saying. Again Thanks



Charlie I have a question for you. Are the coronado's and the Vikings a rare vacuum? I saw them on Doug Smith web page and the coronado model V222 realy caught my eye. I really like the way it is made.


I saw where Viking made the same 2 models of the coronado model V222. I would sure like to acquire one of those vacuums.


Thanks Again

Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La. USA - Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 13:39:16 (MDT)



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To Skip,


I enjoy your postings and enthusiasm, but may I make a gentle suggestion .... unless you have some kind of weird keyboard, you do have a "RETURN" (or "ENTER") key on it, that you can use to divide your thoughts up into paragraphs ... Please use it!


Your long posts are very hard to read without any break for the eyes to follow. Take it from one who loves to make long-winded, rambling posts myself....... people will be far more likely to read them if they are divided up into small "digestible" chunks!


To our friends & family on the East Coast, hope all is well. I have LOTS of family all along the East Coast, from Maryland all the way down to Florida. Some fared better than others.


The Annapolis, Maryland area was pretty hard hit -- the downtown historic district was under water deep enough that people were paddling canoes around State Circle.


And I have a friend who lives in a rural area outside Annapolis and she said her back-yard deck -- almost 5 ft. off the ground - was just submerged in water.


Another couple of inches and their house would have been flooded. But she's taking is in stride, and with a sense of humor. She said, "I always did want waterfront property."


Hope all in the club are well, I can't say so, 100%, for myself. After having had a pretty good period this year, economically speaking, all of a sudden the "schmidt" has hit the fan and I am really in a terrible financial bind. One of the worst ever.


There are several people in the club who are waiting very patiently for me to send them payments for various sweeper acquisitions ... in no one instance is it any great amount ... but the total outstanding debts have really overwhelmed me, and I just ask you to be a little more patient with me ... (y'all know who y'all are) ... until I can get through this terrible dry spell.


I hate to "wear my heart on my sleeve" this way, but on the other hand I am sure some people are wondering what's going on and I'd rather come clean about my situation than to just keep hiding out. I really am having a hard time all of a sudden.


Thanks for understanding, thanks for listening, and "Happy Hoovering" one and all...


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Hollywood, CA USA - Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 01:26:57 (MDT)



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Reggie, Did you see where Tom was telling me about a brand new Bison Centurion still in the orignal box for $250.00. If you don't have one or want one I would jump on the one Tom is talking about you won't be dissapointed I promise you. I got mine in July from Ken Wagman brand new with the attachments for $400.00 and I don't regret a penny of it.I use it on a daily basics and it does a super job. I like the features on it better then a Kirby especially when changing from power nozzle to the hose or even to the buffer nozzle it's much quicker to do then on a Kirby. I will be wiling to bet I'm the only one in Louisiana to have a Bison. We never had Bisons,Verwecks,mieles,silver king in Louisiana and another one was the hoover Juniors, we had all other hoovers here but the Junior. I have 2 Hoover Juniors now but they are from the UK. I had to buy a transformer from Radio Shack so I can run Them.Reggie I do think down the road I would like to get the Bison Mark II also. But I did want to tell you that you would really like the Bison Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Saturday, September 20, 2003 at 21:27:14 (MDT)



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Are there really a lot of Bisons in the Denver area? Parker is close to denver, but I've never seen any Bisons at vac shops around here, or in Denver. Are there any that would be more likely to have them than others?

Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Saturday, September 20, 2003 at 19:14:21 (MDT)



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Hi All,Boy is Ken going to regret giving me my password to the forum I'm writing something everyday.Well on my prowl today looking for vacs I drove by this vac shop outside on the side of the building was a perfectly good Kirby buffer nozzle, so I pick it up and went home to see if it fit my 511 but it doesn't so I measured the hooks on the back of the nozzle It is close to 3 and a half inches apart I look for a model number on the nozzle and there is none, so am not sure hat model kirby it is for. It's in really great shape and the belt is still in tack the brushes and roller are in great shape as well, So if any of you'll need it for your Kirby you'll are sure welcome to it. I can ship it to whoever needs it.

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Saturday, September 20, 2003 at 18:43:04 (MDT)



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Hi Tom Thanks so much for the information about the cadillac, I will have to ask my friend Jason Davis to send me some pics he has one but I think it is chrome. Also if any of you members are looking for a certain Vacuum cleaner let me know I have two leads one from Ohio and one from Tennesse that looks for vacuums for me and if they find them I pay what they paid plus shipping so just let me know what you'll are looking for.My lead in tennesse tells me they have about every kind available and he usually pays from 2.00 to 5.00 for them complete. Well hoping everything is going ok for everyone Skip

Skip Aultman
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To Reggie:

You'll need a new armature. The tiny blue sparks should just be at the trailing edge of the brush, but should NOT circle the armature. Surprised that the vac shop didn't tell you that. I'll assume that you have seated the brushes after you removed and reinstalled them in the motor. If not, that could be the cause of the sparking, but its unlikely. Most probably, the armature has a bad segment in the commutator. A model L armature is different than others that were out at the same time (a model G armature would not fit). There have been many model L's with nice armatures that you'll run into where the cleaner looks like hell but the motor is good (even if it has bad bearings). If you can't find an armature or don't know how to replace it, bring it to next year's meeting and I'll fix it for you. I run into model L's with good motors all the time.


To Skip A.:

The vac you are thinking of is a Cadillac. Made in the late mid to late 1950's. Yes, it was painted and yes, it looked like a Royal (also Electro-Hygiene).


The Mark 1 Bison has green, did NOT have a belt cover on the nozzle, and had a power take-off port on the side for the shoe polisher and handi-butler attachment.


Mark II was green, had no power take-off port, had a belt cover on the nozzle, and a solid state speed control.


The Centurion was brown but in all ways identical to the Mark II.


Bison was started by a Baptist Preacher who was also a Kirby salesman. As my friend Clay Floyd actually met him - there's several stories Clay has recounted about this guy. Seems that they did start out to make a 'better kirby' that didn't have the belt lifter to contend with. However, his racist ways soon came to aggrevate Clay. He once told Clay (and this is word for word) "I better never find out that Bisons have been sold in trailer parks, or to n*gg**s" Of course, this statement made Clay so mad, he quit a short time later. He ended his association with Bison on a sour note.


However, during his time with Bison, from the Mark I machine to the Mark II, they (Bison) solved the problems with the belts and with the flexible coupling (the white plastic piece that connects to the motor's drive shaft). On a humorous note, Clay sold his remaining inventory of new Bisons to Mexican people in the Denver area. Mexican people tend to share an expensive vacuum with family members - meaning they are used harder than the average person does. The Bison service center that followed Clay had all kinds of problems doing warranty work for people who (for the most part) didn't speak English.


Consequently, there were lots of Bisons traded in (over the years) in Denver. So Clay had quite a few of them before he moved to North Carolina. That's how I got my Mark I.


I know where there's a brand new Centurion at a vac shop. They've had it since 1981 - but they either want $250 for it or they won't sell it.


To Charlie Watrous:

Did you know Dyson's U.S. headquarters are in Chicago? Maybe we can get Dyson to be a 'corporate sponsor' and pay for our Box Lunch on one of the convention days. If you think it's a good idea, I'll speak to them about it. Maybe they could get some media coverage for us. After all, James Dyson did give us the Special Edition model to use as our State of the Art machine for the contest. It would be good publicity for them as well as us. Electrolux did that years ago when we went to the factory (they fed us AND had the media there).

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Friday, September 19, 2003 at 22:56:16 (MDT)



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I am having problems with the armature for my Electrolux model L. I think that the commuttaor is messed up because it makes huge sparks, ant the motor sounds bad. I took it to a vacuum store, but it comfused them too. Does it need a new armature, or can i do something to this one to make it work?

Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Friday, September 19, 2003 at 15:51:18 (MDT)



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Hi Tom Thanks for your kind words, you really make me feel welcome to the club.Tom getting to the Bison I love it so much, to be honest with you in my opinion the Bison is a far better machine then the Kirby, but in the same breath I love all of my Kirbys. I have a kirby G-3 I need to change the fan on it.I one day hope to get a G-5 I love the color of it.Tom I saw in email today about Fred getting a new Bison in the box like I did(which is my best investment so far)It just makes me wonder how many Bisons are out There still new in the box. When I was informed that I could buy a Bison brand new still in the box especialy the centurion I liked to have Flip, I jump on it as fast as I could and then getting everything with it make it so much sweeter. When I started buying vacs from ebay I saw a Bison on ebay, at first I just looked at it but it didn't hit me right away after about the 3rd one on ebay I decided I wanted one so it took me about 8 months to find one, Which I'm glad I got the one I did because it being brand new and having all of the attachments with it, I admit it wasn't a cheap investment but I don't regret a penny of my investment. Tom What is the difference between the centurion and the Mark III, looking at the pics of the Mark III it looks just like the centurion to me but it is chrome and green color instead of brown.Tom did you see where I mention about that upright from the early 60's being a cross between a Kirby and a Royal, I would love to know what upright that is. Did they make a tan and yellow(cream color) Royal from the late 50's early 60's, I know for sure it isn't a Kirby I still wished I would have looked at the name of it, I do remember the light cover being very narrow like the royal I also remember the rug nozzle being tan as was the light cover the motor housing was yellow (cream color) the middle of the handle was cream and the hand grip and bag were tan, like I say it is racking my brain whatkind that it is.Thats the only one I ever saw. I used to go to all the neighbors to see what kind of vacuum cleaner and buffer they had and there mixers as well. This was in the early 60's(60-64) one neighbor had a Ge rolleasy but like 5 neighbors at the pink Ge canister, There were like 4 of them with the Kirby 560. probably about 8 of them with the compact.Tom thanks for giving me the airway that will be a very nice piece to add to my collection. Take care Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La. USA - Friday, September 19, 2003 at 13:34:17 (MDT)



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Dear Members:


Well, hurricane Isabel has come and gone and Charlotte was relatively unaffected.


Good news! I have secured the hotel for the 2004 VCCC convention. It is the Holiday Inn in Itasca, IL, an area of Chicago. As you may know, greater Chicago is made up of lots of little communities. Itasca is near O'Hare and has a shuttle bus to and from the airport. Jeff Parker recommended this property along with others. Thanks to Jeff!


Fred Nelson and I did a thorough inspection of the property and rooms. This is probably the nicest property that the VCCC will have had their convention in. And the Sales Manager could not have been nicer. I know there were concerns about this year's hotel, so we went through with a fine tooth comb.


Dates: (MARK IT ON YOUR CALENDARS NOW!) Arrive Thursday, June 17, 2003. Ends on Sunday, June 20th. Details later about rates, (registration and hotel room), and schedule of events.


More good news! Don Clark is probably going to be back as the guest speaker at the awards dinner on Saturday night. Ask anyone who attended this year about his presentation. You could have heard a pin drop in that room! I am going to ask him to be out guest for the entire convention he is interested.


After Fred and I checked out the hotel, we then motored to Milwaukee to meet up with members, Tania Voigt, (board member), Fred Stachnik and Mark Thomas. A great, fun filled vacuum weekend. Tania took us to Kewascum, WI, where we went through Jim Jaeger's vacuum and sewing business. He had been in the same location for over 40 years and Tania had befriended him some years ago. We made a good haul, the best probably being Fred Nelson purchased a brand new, in the unopened box, brown Bison! You can imagine how much stuff there was.


More on this trip in the winter newsletter. Also, I will be sending, information on the convention. Forms will be in upcoming newsletters as well as the agenda of events. Some neat things are planned for 2004. Start saving $$$$$ so you can attend!


Have a great weekend and my best all.

Charlie Watrous
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To Skip A.:

I hope you will attend the next convention (in Chicago - next June).

You MUST have an Air-Way for your collection, and I will give you a model 88 Mark II with attachments (no cost). NO vacuum collection can even begin to be complete without one. There wouldl be no dispoable bag in any vacuum cleaner without Air-Way.


Club member (and my best friend) Clay Floyd was a Bison dealer in the early 1970's. He ran a dealer organization and also a repair center. They sold thousands of Bison cleaners in Denver. He gave my a green 1968 Mark 1 Bison. They are very cool machines. Now, set the Generation 3 Kirby next to the Bison and tell me what you see????


The VCCC went to the Kirby Company years ago (when the G5 first came out) and we got a chance to visit he Research and Development room. Saw the prototype Kirbys they've never launched - like the model with the Dirt Sensor in the headlight hood and a variable speed motor (like a Bison).


And what do you think was sitting in the middle of the research room? A Bison. There's enough room behind the Bison motor for a transmission, and notice the curves of the headlight hood and the fan case. It's a G3. John Lackner (head of research) at the Kirby Company admitted that they did copy the Bison design for the Generation series.



Did you know that when Jim Kirby met Mr. Scott and Mr. Fetzer that the Scott and Fetzer Company was making guns? The salesmen would later need them to get people to sign the contracts for a new Kirby (just joking).


Jim Kirby's first electric vacuum cleaner was made in 1911 and was NOT a Kirby. It was called the Frantz Premier. He wouldn't meet Scott and Fetzer until the middle of World War 1.


There's a whole world of Kirby cleaners in our club, made before the model 505 (like Charlie Lester's "R" (for retail) model Kirbys - Scott and Fetzer Sanitation Systems, etc.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Friday, September 19, 2003 at 07:13:32 (MDT)



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Hi All IT's just me again. I just wanted to say a little bit about myself. I have been fasinated with vacuums,mixers And floor polishers since the age of 4 yrs old. I am now 47 and started my collection back in 1994 but wished I would have started earlier.But went full force like about 1 and half years ago. I joined ebay to buy a second computer that was in nov. 2001. In feb 2002 I started buying vacs, mixers and buffers from ebay.Then around May of 2003 Bernie answered my email from the vintage dust collectors about me wanting a rolleasy and directed me to Ken I bought a rolleasy from Ken then bought one from ebay and have since bought another from ebay I now have a 1956 copper rolleasy and also 2 of the 58 models( one of the 58 model is my parts machine). I do have to say a great Thank you to both Bernie and Ken because with out them I wwouldn't be where I'm at with my collection.Bernie My friend Robert is still trying to locate the kenmore bugeye That I promised you. Ken and I have swapped a few vacs with each other, also without Bernie and Ken I wouldn't be a member of this fine group. I have right at 60 plus vacs and I have about 45 mixers and probably 15 buffers, I have compacts,tristars,kirby's,vintage Ge canisters,I have a 1945 GE upright,I have a 1930's Euerka model m upright with all the attachments,1956 hoover lark,2 hoover Juniors from the UK,1 filter queen,a 1957 Lewyt,Rainbows,Vorweck,Electrolux auto Upright,electrolux model 89, Euerka canisters,royal canister 4500,1950 universal canister,2 hoover constellions,a 1980 Bison Centurion with attachments,1949 Singer upright,1959 Singer golden glide canister.There are a few others that I have.I guess the first vacuum that really tickled me was the compact and then the Kirby,and all others soon followed,Growing up the first vac I remember my mother having was the vintage westinghouse bullet styled canister, Then she had a vintage Kenmore horizon with the high back and handle,Then she had the grey and orange Hoover dail a matic, Then it was the 1968 Kirby Santronic,Then I bought her a 1974 kirby omega for her birthday which she had until her death in 1985. There is a vacuum that is racking my brain crazy. We had a neighbor that had an upright a cross between a kirby and Royal that was light yellow and tan color I never noticed the name of it which is a great regret on my part because I would love to know what it was and would love to see one again. This was in the early 1960's. I ran everyone of my vacuums to keep them in shape. I use my Kirby 511 and my Bison as my regular vacs to keep my house vacuumed. I'm really impressed with the Bison, I'm probably the only one in my state that has a bison. Down here there aren't alot of Different vacs here like up north, We never had Bisons,silverking,meile,vorweck,lewyt,airway and several others. We have tristar, kirby,rainbows, panasonic,Dysons now,electrolux,hoovers, euerkas,GE,royals, thermax thats all I can think of right now. Well enough said I hope all is well with everyone Skip

Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 21:27:16 (MDT)



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HI! I just got a new job as a janitor for a laundromat. I need a good eureka sanitaire for the job! I dont really want to use my kirbys. Anyone have one they want to get rid of? Just email me if you want to get rid of one or to sell. Thanks! (btw im 15)

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 20:41:34 (MDT)



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Hi Charles sorry I took this long to send you my correct email address as I just got my name and password fom Ken as I join back in June I think. I never thought to get my password til now. My correct email address is Skip4ula@aol.com.I do have a question I was looking at Doug Smith's collection from Canada There he has a coronado model v222 That I really loved one I have never seen one before. Is that a very rare vacuum or there many around I would sure love to add one to my collection. In louisiana people here throw out the old vintage vacs they are hard to come by here.I got a few of my vacs from a friend in Alexandria louisiana but most are from ebay and Ken wagman. I have a friend in eastern tennnesse that he looking for some vacs for me. He buys vacs for 2.00-5.00 complete. I wished I could do that here in louisiana. So if any one knows about the coronado please let me know Thanks Skip

Stanley ( skip) Aultman
Lafayette, La. USA - Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 17:36:27 (MDT)



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Hi vereyone. I just joined the club. Ihave about 60 vacuums, my favorite is my Royal 883. I started collacting vacuums 10 years ago, when I was 5.

Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 14:55:16 (MDT)



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To Chad C.-

If you can wait until your next VCCC newsletter arrives (in the next 2-3 weeks, I think) that's EXACTLY the topic that will be covered in the latest installment of "Mr. Fix-it," complete with step-by-step photos.


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 13:48:15 (MDT)



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Hi,


I have a Royal Commercial metal upright that I'm trying to fix up. The motor makes a weird sound which I believe is the fan banging around because it is loose. So I am trying to take the motor apart but I can't seem to figure out how to the get the fan off the motor. Is there some trick to it? I'm used to Kirby fans and know how they come off and I figured the Royal would be similar. Any help would be appreciated.


Thanks,


Chad Cunningham


Chad Cunningham
Overland Park, KS USA - Wednesday, September 17, 2003 at 20:47:02 (MDT)



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Hi!


Thanks for the welcome! Its nice to see nice people welcome me to a great club! From another member i know, the next convention is close to me? So, most likely ill be there!


Tom: No, ive never seen any kirby model below the 505. In my collection i have 2 Dual Sanitronic 50's, 518,Tradition,Heritage II,Classic Omega, and a Sanitronic VII. I would at least like to add one model before the 505 to my collection! it seems hard enough to get a 505! Im a bidder on a few vacs on ebay frequently, my ID is kirbyvacguy so some of you might have seen me around! Ive seen Charlie Lesters web site and i must say im very impressed and hope to have a great collection like his someday! its hard to get machines fully rebuild...only two of mine are ALL original...all of his look original! So thanks for replying to me! Talk to you guys later!

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Tuesday, September 16, 2003 at 19:45:08 (MDT)



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To Evan Rogers:

I put those brochures in the box for you to have. I still have some instruction books and brochures from my teenage years. They come in very handy now. I look at them and realize that prices have actually gone DOWN on vacuums since the late 1970's.


Glad you enjoyed them.


To Mike Hays:

I remember when you got a brand new G5 (when the G5 was the current model) and how beautiful it was all shined up. Glad to hear your current G5 is back to factory showroom condition.


You know Mike, you really have a VERY beautiful collection of vacuums. We should have a convention one year in Ohio near your hometown, so all the club members could get a chance to see your vacuums.


I still can't believe I have a complete Royal pre-war upright collection because of you. Once the carbon brush leads were on the correct brush holder, it runs like a dream. Actually has 'almost' as much suction as the Royal Standard. Thank you again for the model 1. For a 1910 vacuum, it's not too bad.


To James W.:

Welcome to our vacuum club. There were twelve of us at our first Club meeting. We've had hundreds of club members since.


Some of my favorite Kirby cleaners were not even called Kirbys. Have you ever seen a Scott & Fetzer Sanitation System? Or a Keystone? We have several resident club experts on Kirby (our Web-Master Charlie Lester comes immediately to mind).


Hope to see you at the next convention.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Tuesday, September 16, 2003 at 16:27:08 (MDT)



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Hello forum.


I haven't had much time to read the forum lately because I have been so busy with school, but I am really enjoying reading the posts on this forum.


Marty Rocha:

I received the box of parts from you in the mail today. They were in even better shape than I expected! Thank you very much.


Tom Gasko:

I got the Filter Queen from you today. I also noticed that there were a bunch of assorted brochures in the box. I don't know if you put them in the box by accident, or if you meant to send them to me, but i'm enjoying reading them. Thanks again for sending it to me.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Tuesday, September 16, 2003 at 15:53:05 (MDT)



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Welcome, James Wyrembelski!


Given my name, I must admit that I also like Kirbys although I like a number of other makes also. In my vintage vac collection, I have a Vacuette, Scott and Fetzer Sanitation System, Model C, 505, and some others of the 500 series.


The make most represented in my collection is probably Hoover, but I also have a number of Premiers, Eurekas, GEs, and Electroluxes.



Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Tuesday, September 16, 2003 at 14:56:06 (MDT)



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TO TOM & MARTY: THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE INFO ON MOTHERS MAG POLISH. MY KIRBY G-5 LOOKS LIKE IT JUST CAME OUT OUT OF THE

BOX NEW.

Michael Hays
Greenfield, OH USA - Tuesday, September 16, 2003 at 05:20:07 (MDT)



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Hi! I just recently logged on for the first time and read all of the recent comments! This seems like a great place to share our vac interests! I hope all goes well! Im a total Kirby fan! I have 7 in my collection so far. I do have a couple hoovers that i want to get rid of (hint hint):)


Anyway, i live in a little town in the middle of michigan. I play 5 instruments in the band! I first heard of this club on the CBS news website! The movie they had was VERY interesting to me since i was looking for a place like this! I hope everyone has a great day!

James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Monday, September 15, 2003 at 17:15:07 (MDT)



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Hi all,

I have a TON of old Electrolux and Air-way parts that I must get rid of; some are NOS. There are many other old complete vacs, parts, and hoses available for those looking for hard to find parts. Will sell, give, trade, whatever, to clear my porch. Prefer items to be picked up, if possible. I live near Harrisburg, PA. Thanks

Bernie

Bernie Mehlbaum
Hbg, PA USA - Sunday, September 14, 2003 at 08:19:03 (MDT)



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Mike Hays:

I'm polishing and restoring a Kirby G3 for my good friend Patrick Dawson. I always wash the aluminum pieces in the dishwasher first, and when the final rinse has drained, I take out the very hot pieces and begin to polish them. You'd be amazed at how much more easily they take polishing when they are both totally clean and very warm. I use Wenol metal polish (but I also like Mother's a lot) because it's available when I order vac parts from the suppliers.


Stan Kann swears by a product that he has only been able to find on the west coast (in LA at a hardware store of all places) it's called Tarnite and it's in a yellow can with a picture of a knight in shining armor on the front. I've never used anything that's as easy as Tarnite. But I can't find it in St. Louis (although they still make it). Maybe Charlie Lester can find some for us...


To Brother Chris and Jim Kirby:


Are we still 'on' for a visit this week? Stan can visit with us any day but Thursday - he rehearses at the Fox Theater on Thursdays. Last time I went to rehearsals with him, I ended up vacuuming the lobby with the Spencer Built-In. It's made for three operators to use it at once, but with only Stan and I there at the time, that baby really had the suction. Could hardly move it over the carpets. Hard to believe it was built in 1928 (the vacuum AND the Fox Theater).

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Sunday, September 14, 2003 at 07:20:33 (MDT)



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Mike:


I'm polishing a Kirby 519 right know with Mother's mag and aluminum polish. I have used Flitz which works okay and Never Dull ( which i call Very Dull ). I like Mother's the best. You can get it at WalMart where the car polish is.


Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Friday, September 12, 2003 at 20:13:58 (MDT)



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R.J.:


Seeing your post about AARP magazine, "Modern Maturity," reminds me that I need to renew my AARP membership. I'm afraid I've been a member for 16 years. You'll enjoy the hotel and car rental discounts even though you'll need to wait a few years to order discounted meals!

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Friday, September 12, 2003 at 20:00:33 (MDT)



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Hi gang, just purchased a G-5, and it needs poloishing. What is the best prduct to use?


Thanks,

Mike

lewyt4@webtv.net
Grenfield, OH USA - Thursday, September 11, 2003 at 17:14:37 (MDT)



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To Charlie W-

Thanks for the premature birthday wishes; mine's almost a month away yet. I know of 2 other club members that have October birthdays (there may be more). Jim Cowardin is (I think) October 8, I'm October 9, and Mark Thomas is October 10.

I won't say how old, but in another 5 years I can order off the "senior" menu at Denny's. I'm expecting my first AARP magazine to show up any day now.......


R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Thursday, September 11, 2003 at 15:00:18 (MDT)



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To Brother Chris,

Just wanted to say thanks also to you for a great time on Saturday night, both Jason and myself really enjoyed the dinner and the conversation. Maybe next time you're in Chicago you can stop by here, as Jack's feeling a little left out. I should also have the Hoover cubes that Mike gave me put up, so things downstairs will be even more like normal.

It was also Jason's idea to display the Golden Hoover in the living room, its pretty much the first thing you see when you walk in the front door.

Take care for now, and we all look forward to your next visit!


Jeff, Jason, and Jack

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 21:43:40 (MDT)



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Hi all!


I've been cleaning out the collection of the newer plastic stuff and while i was at the thrift shop donating, i found a box of Hoover dusting tools! The tag on the handle if the cardbord holder says model 2700. and it cost $16.50 back in the day !!! The wands are alunimum but the attachments are all plastic, maybe bakelite? Even the converter is this material. Can anyone tell me which upright these are for? I'm thinking 26 or 27.RJ, you have to know this one!


Evan R. There is a box in the mail headed your way!


Mark Tomey, I love, love, LOVE the Lewyt!!!! Here's a funny story. When i left L.A. I stopped along the way to alot of thrift shops that i know . In Pomona, I found a Hoover Special Convertible 32 but with no bottom plate, i still bought. In San Bernardino, I found a carpet nozzle ... for the LEWYT 55!!! How great is that? Next stop in Beaumont, among other things i find ....a bottom plate foa a HOOVER CONVERTIBLE!!!! ( que the Twilite Zone theme please ) And them when approaching the desert, a storm blew in, dumped rain on everything and a TORNADO touched down in Joshua Tree!!!! Weird day for for weather in Southern California, great day for vacuum finds!!


Charlie Lester, I was in your neighborhood recently and i didn't call you! I'm BAD!!!! I will call soon to see what your schedule is before i come to L.A. the next time!!!


Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 17:24:34 (MDT)



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Tom Gasko:


The GE portable cleaner is grey. The instruction booklet that accompanies it was printed before the postal system started using zip codes.


The Lux 1205 is still in may car, and I haven't examined it closely yet.

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 14:37:59 (MDT)



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VCCC MEMBERS:


A quickie note so you can get out those cards:


Tania Voigt's birthday was 9/4, Chuck Chatham's was 9/9 and Vice-President's R.J. Vanik's is right about now too! Sorry, I don't have the date so I say collective,


HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO TANIA, CHUCK AND R.J.---MANY HAPPY RETURNS OF THE DAY AND THANKS FOR BEING GREAT FRIENDS AND GREAT MEMBERS!!


I look forward to seeing you soon. Best wishes,


Charlie

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 20:13:15 (MDT)



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Greetings from Brother Chris ~


I just returned from a rather fun weekend. First, I visited with Mike Rogers at his shop in northern Indiana ~ he took care of a couple of small repair jobs for me. After the store closed, we were joined by Jeff Parker and his friend Jason and we all went out for a delicious Italian dinner (lasagna!). Jeff has pretty well gotten his basement back together following the recent "flooding" ~ except that he's keeping his triple-crown winning Hoover Golden Anniversary Convertible upstairs in the living room! (I had to attend a funeral, so I didn't have time to visit Jeff at home and see his collection, but hopefully next time ....)


On Sunday I drove up to Milwaukee to visit Fred Stachnik. After brunch, he and his friend Joe and Fred's Mom (Wendy) invited me to come along with them to the Milwaukee Art Museum (just seeing this new building was worth the trip!) for the last day of the exhibit on Brooks Stevens, the revolutionary design engineer who left his creative mark on more than 3,000 household and commercial products. Most interesting! It was a pleasant weekend of visiting with amiable sweeper folks.


While not a personal visit, I appreciated the recent exchange of e/mails with Evan Rogers (who is busy navigating the waters of freshman year of high school!) and Tom Anderson (who, with wife Heather, is enjoying some vintage auto meets in his area).


Though not sweeper-related, I must mention that, while I was in Chicago, I attended a surprise birthday party for a musician friend (which somehow actually turned out to be a surprise!). I wish you could have heard the spontaneous 8-part harmony rendition of "Happy Birthday" that we concocted. Since the windows were open, neighbors in adjoining apartment buildings applauded! Musicians are *almost* as much fun as sweeper folks!!


I trust that all of you are well. Thanks for the great information that you take time to post on our website -- I get such an education reading it! Enjoy these beautiful late summer days.


B.C.

Brother Chris Lambert, OFM
Saint Louis, MO USA - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 16:16:13 (MDT)



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To Jim Kirby:

What color was the GE canister?


Is the Electrolux 1205 one of the early models with the receptacle for the power nozzle under the intake opening? Does the electric hose have the standard metal end or does it have a pistol grip?


The 1205 is one of my all time favorite Electrolux models - it was a very beautiful machine when it was new. The polished aluminum top trim made the machine gorgeous. And I'm a fan of the color blue, especially the 'electric blue' color of the later 1205's.


Tom G.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 07:34:33 (MDT)



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To the forum:


This week I acquired three additions to my collection: A mid 60s GE upright with automatic cord rewinder and attachments in original box, a MV-1 mid 60s GE portable in excellent condition with instruction booklet and all attachments, and a Lux 1205 in good working condition. A used furniture and second hand store friend who goes to estate auctions got the GEs; a lady at this week's Lions Club meeting game me the 1205. It had been her mother's It was missing the crevice tool.

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 15:30:11 (MDT)



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Brother Chris & Charlie,


Don OConnor's correct e-mail address is:


doconnors@neo.rr.com


Hope this helps.


--Bernie

Bernie Mehlbaum
Harrisburg, PA USA - Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 11:50:20 (MDT)



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Brother Chris,


Don O'Connor has done many rebristlings for me and does excellent work. He also has a lot of vintage "New Old Stock" parts. I bought a new old stock brushroll and brush strips for my Hoover 150 that you saw at the convention.


He can be reached at: 330.782.6602. The email we have for him is either changed or not correct. If you can get his current email and post it here, I will add it to the club roster. Thanks and good luck!

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 08:02:57 (MDT)


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To Tom Gasko:

Sorry that we haven't chatted in a while -- my few attempts to call you at your shop were ill-timed, so I'll keep trying. I'm excited about Jim Kirby's visit next month and the get-together with Stan Kann!

In an earlier posting you mentioned that "Don O'Conner can rebristle Hoover brushes (or really, any revolving brush." Can you tell how to get in touch with him?? Thanks.

I hope everyone is enjoying the Labor Day weekend!

B.C.

Brother Chris Lambert, OFM
Saint Louis, MO USA - Sunday, August 31, 2003 at 08:07:05 (MDT)



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To Charlie Lester:

At our last club meeting, Mike Rogers brought a Royal PowerCast upright for us to see and play with. It's a nice sweeper, but VERY heavy. More so than a Kirby. And, we discovered it is NOT all-metal. In fact, the handle and bag compartment are chrome plated plastic. It uses a Dirt Devil type U bag, along with a Dirt Devil suction motor. Very nice machine, but extremely heavy and bulky. It's nice to look at, but it would be very hard to push around the house, especially with stairs. And for all its weight, the tools are NOT on-board.

It did clean VERY well. We tested it like all the rest, but just for fun. It removed the second highest amount of dirt from the test carpet (only Jeff's Golden Anniversary Hoover removed more).

Our club owns a Dyson that Mr. Dyson gave to us. It picked up more dirt over the days of the convention than any other cleaner, mostly because it was always being used and it was the 'standard' machine for the contest - cleaning the rug after each contestant. It had just as much suction AFTER three days and many pounds of dirt had been picked up, as it did when it arrived. I agree the colors are rather jarring, but they are there to help highlight the cyclones and show WHY the machine is different. It's form and design comes from function and it is purely a raw, extremely high powered machine. I've never cared what color something is, as long as it works better than anything else.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Sunday, August 31, 2003 at 07:28:08 (MDT)



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I read the article on MSN and found it to be quite amusing and informative, and it did raise a couple of questions for me (read on). I did find the ubiquitous "sucking" references a bit irritating. Aren't people -- especially grown-up journalists -- over it already?!

I think the writer was pretty much spot-on about her observations of what went on in the forums, and she could have gone a lot further with them had she really perused them. And Thank God, on that count, that the VacWeb forum is gone. Can you imagine her raised eyebrows when reading the unchecked insanity that went on in there?

(Don't misunderstand me, though --- although I did not patronize vacweb, I am very sorry it is gone because I know a lot of people did enjoy it. It's just a damn shame that, primarily on account of one selfish little psycho in our midst who did not know how to behave as a gentleman, it was closed down. I only mean I am glad it is gone within this context, of the article on MSN. But I digress.)

Then my question is, just what IS IT about the Dyson machines that people consider to be so "beautiful?" I can't argue the merits of their performance but I personally think they are all just ghastly looking.

The colors are garish, the design-lines are all kludgy and klunky looking, and, well, I guess I still just have a personal aversion to plastic sweepers. Especially in such hideous colors and color-combinations. (Clue: Yellow and Gray do NOT go well together.)

They look like something from one of those awful Japanese anime cartoons that's the stuff now being shown to impressionable kiddies on Saturday mornings (instead of Popeye, Micky Mouse, Bugs Bunny etc). Saaaaay, maybe THAT is the very attraction--- hmmm......

On the other hand, one new metal-body machine that, again, I don't know how well it works, but that I think is absolutely beautiful, is the Royal Powercast series in three models -- 9000 (blue trim, entry model), 9100 (maroon trim, midline model) & 9200 (gray trim, top of the line).

If you haven't seen these machines, check 'em out! The only site I have found that shows all three is this one. The photos are not the clearest, but you can get a general idea:

http://aaavacs.com/category/royalpowercast9000/

This machine is the absolute epitome of streamlined 1930s Machine Age design! If Loehy, Dreyfuss, et al were alive today, this is the sort of stuff they'd be doing!!

Charlie Lester
Hollyweird, CA USA - Saturday, August 30, 2003 at 14:32:57 (MDT)



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Tom, Fred and members:

I have viewed the article. I consider it to be really nothing of any importance. Lets not overreact like we have in the past over silly things.

Unless Fred's friend had sent him the URL, no one would have been the wiser. The club is never mentioned by name and whole chat board talk is very vague.

If you choose to read it, take it with a grain of salt and lets move on. Remember, the meanspirited forums no longer exist. However, the VCCC does and is stronger than ever.

Have a great holiday weekend!

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Friday, August 29, 2003 at 07:43:16 (MDT)



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Fred:

I think they were talking, in the article, about reading the ivacuumcleaners.com formum (remember Christopher Nash and all his trash-talk).

Or, it could be the vacweb forum that was being read, and quoted in the article. Still, all in all, they were pretty well dead on. The Oreck is about the least efficient machine on the market today, and they nailed it to a board in the article. Interestingly, I remember writing the quote about the Dyson on the ivacuumcleaners forum MANY months ago "get rid of the bag, get rid of the problem". I say that all the time.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Friday, August 29, 2003 at 06:02:08 (MDT)



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Hi Y'all-

So, I was talking to a friend of mine online, and he said that he read something and immediately thought of me...

I think I should share it with you, seeing as how we are pretty directly mentioned... and not in the best of ways...

Its an article that appeared on msn.com within the past few weeks.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2086689/

copy and paste the above into your browser

I think its interesting... what do you think??

Fred Stachnik
Milwaukee, WI USA - Friday, August 29, 2003 at 01:09:52 (MDT)



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Apologies for the typos in the post below. Should have proofread!

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Saturday, August 23, 2003 at 10:41:33 (MDT)



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Another independent vac shop0 closes:

This past Thursday I was in Manhattan, KS, to give a talk about the orphan trains and my mother to a club there and planned to visit a vac shop a friend of mine had opened there in March.

Before giving the talk and while eating lunch with the members, I asked the lady next to me if she knew of A-1 Vacuum. She said that she did, had recently bought an Oreck there, but learned the shop folded August 1.

The young man who had opened it was very knowledgable and was quite enthus and had opened the shop because he had been laid off from his job at a vac store in Topeka. I understand he is selling vacuums, such as Filter Queen, on the internet and at high prices. He had also been doing what while operating hnis vacuum shop.

Jim Kirbu
Emporia, KS USA - Saturday, August 23, 2003 at 10:37:22 (MDT)



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To Evan Rogers:

I'd be happy to send you the filter queen. It will make a nice start for that part of your collection. The Golden Monarch model was the first machine MADE by Health-Mor. The Health-Mor upright, model 200 Filter Queen, and model 350 Filter Queen were designed and manufactured by Royal Appliance in Cleveland. Starting with the Golden Monarch model 500 in 1954, Health-Mor became a full-time manufacturer as well as a direct sales organization. Contrast that to Modern Hygiene, which was JUST a direct sales organization with a Private-Labeled machine to sell.

To Marty:

Charlie is right. Use the grey, smooth belt for the pre-Classic Omega models.

It will not put as much stress on the front bearing.

To Charlie Lester:

I wondered if you have ever seen an all-steel Model 30 Electrolux? In 1941, Aluminum was VERY hard to obtain in the U.S.A. due to the manufacturing of war materials. I received an Electrolux 30 that is very unique. The front cover is chrome plated steel, the runners are chrome plated steel. The attachments (like the rug tool and floor brush) are chrome plated steel. The upholstery tool has a bakelite bottom (I used to call this piece the 'drapery tool'), and the dusting brush top is also steel. Even the motor has no aluminum in it. The fans are steel and the entire back end of the motor is bakelite with the bearing, field coil, and armature being surrounded by bakelite. In all other pre-war XXX Lux, I've seen the motor mounting ring make of bakelite, but never the motor casing. Have you ever seen an all-steel model 30? I used S.O.S. pads to clean up the chrome and it looks brand new. It is heavier than regular model XXX's, because its all steel.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Saturday, August 23, 2003 at 06:27:57 (MDT)



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Marty,

I was told by several knowledgeable members that on the older Kirbys it is better to use the smooth belt. I use the ribbed belts starting with the Dual 40 and newer.

Maybe someone will tell you differently? Have a great weekend and thanks for the pictures and magazine that you sent to me. I'm off for a 25 hour layover in Las Vegas. I've heard there is great thrifting there.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Friday, August 22, 2003 at 15:06:23 (MDT)



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Hi Tom.

I was away staying at my summer home when you posted. I'm home for the weekend and then going back.

I received the Hoover Dustette from you, but have not been able to thank you until now since I was away. It works great. Thank you very much.

I do not have a filter queen in my collection. I would LOVE to have the Filter Queen that you mentioned if you still have it.

Please let me know.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Thursday, August 21, 2003 at 16:29:44 (MDT)



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Hi All, Here's a dumb question.

Are the new kirby belts that are ribbed inside okay to use on the real old Kirbys like the 509, 510 and the sanitronics? Do they put too much stress on the belt pulley? Please let me know. Thanks, Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Thursday, August 21, 2003 at 12:59:37 (MDT)



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To the Club:

Anyone notice an Electrolux tank cleaner on Bravo last week? His mother must have given it to him. At least Jay Leno's set looks a lot better now. There's an idea for next year's meeting. Our own version of the "Fab Five" can do a makeover on an old Hoover.

That would be funny AND a learning experience.

I have a Filter Queen model 500 Golden Monarch to give away.

Evan?

Do you have a Filter Queen in your collection yet?

To Jim K and Brother Chris: I'll call Stan tomorrow and find out what day we can go see him. One can never see Stan's collection too often. I really would like to find a way for his collection to be preserved for our club for all time. As more and more young club members join, it's vital, absolutely vital, that they get to see and be allowed to appreciate the cleaners that Stan has.

I believe that every club member should have the opportunity to use a Hoover 972. It's like a right of passage. I've never seen anyone use a 972 and NOT be impressed, smiling ear to ear as they push it. Jim, you know exactly what I mean. Chris, you are about to find out. I have no problem with whatever day we get to visit. Part of the luxury of owning a vacuum store. I get to leave when friends come by...

tom g.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Saturday, August 16, 2003 at 15:07:55 (MDT)



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To Jim Kirby and Tom Gasko --

Thanks for the information about the change of plans to the week of September 15th. This would work so much better for me since I'm occupied with meetings nearly every moment of the previous week. Keep me posted as plans develop.

Thanks, Tom, for your note about Stan Kann. I'll be in touch with you real soon.

~ Brother Chris

Brother Chris Lambert
Saint Louis, MO USA - Friday, August 15, 2003 at 19:36:19 (MDT)



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Tom G. and Brother Chris:

In visiting with Father Bruce recently, I learned he can't come to St. Louis the week of September 8 but can the next week. We would probably arrive on Monday, September 15.

Father Bruce's mother is having serious surgery this month--about the third week of August, I believe. However, he believes her recuperation from surgery will be sufficient to permit him to come over to St. Louis the week of September 15.

Let me know if this change of schedule will work out. I know Brother Chris has a very tight week of September 8. Hopefully the week of the 15th will work out better.

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Friday, August 15, 2003 at 18:59:29 (MDT)



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To Brother Chris:

I just realized that you've never had the pleasure of meeting Stan Kann. I spoke with him this afternoon and told him all about your trip to Milwaukee. He would like to meet you and have a chance for you to see his collection. If nothing else, the Hoover model N from 1915 will be fun to use. Of course, the HUGE 972 from 1926, with its Westinghouse-built motor and 32 blade fan is ALSO fun to use. We really MUST get down there to see Stan, and I also miss seeing you. I enjoy talking vacuums with folks from the club, and always enjoy the chance to visit with my friends.

Jim Kirby is going to visit St. Louis the early part of September, along with Father Bruce from Tennessee. I'd like to get everyone together for a trip to Stan's and also the Fox Theater. You really HAVE to see the 1928 Spencer Built-In.

Call or email when you have the chance. I'd also like for you to meet another club member, Dr. Patrick Dawson, who also lives in St. Louis. And my very good friend, Andy Weter, will drive up from Springfield the same weekend we all get together.

Tom G.

tom gasko
festus, mo USA - Thursday, August 14, 2003 at 15:04:00 (MDT)



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Hi everyone, just received a mint condition brown Bison!!

Does anyone have a set of attachments for sale?

Thanks

P.S. What a great forum!!

Michael Hays
Greefield, OH USA - Wednesday, August 13, 2003 at 12:47:15 (MDT)



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a friend called me over the weekend and she had found a Hoover 825 at a flea market and had gotten it for me its in fairly decent sahpe runs well, bag click, string is broken brudh roll looks new and also the bag

ron jones
rockingham, nc USA - Wednesday, August 13, 2003 at 09:45:25 (MDT)



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Greetings to everyone!

I have been on the road for the past couple of weeks, so I've not had a chance to report on some of the fun things that happened during that time.

Around the time of the convention, Tom Gasko** offered me a Hoover 62 with the attachments and owner's manual and bill of sale in the original box. An elderly lady in suburban Chicago wanted it to have a good home now that she is preparing to move out of state. Since I needed to be in Chicago on other Franciscan business, I offered to pick up the machine in person instead of her having to pack and ship it -- which I did. Later in the day, while Mike Rogers and I were waiting for Jeff Parker and Tom Anderson, Mike all but renovated the entire sweeper along with cleaning and polishing the hood and chassis!

** By the way, you haven't had fun until you've ridden for 800 miles in a closed car with Tom Gasko, as I did traveling to and from the convention! Besides enjoying him reading "Fabulous Dustpan" to me while I drove (and his commentary which enhanced the text), I learned how little I really know about sweepers in general as he amazed me with his instant recall of the most minute of details covering nearly a century of vacuuming. He sure made that trip speedy and enjoyable!)

Although I had corresponded with Tom Anderson in the past, I finally got to meet him when he came for a visit with Jeff Parker, which happened to be same weekend I was in Chicago. (He was also delivering a Hoover 150 that I bought from him on e/bay.) The four of us (plus two other club members whose names have completely slipped through my beleaguered grey matter -- sorry) met up at Mike Rogers' store. Mike took us to the infamous "warehouse" where the six of us literally climbed on mountains of old vacs scavenging for parts and even whole machines (and we have pictures to prove it!). Mike also broke out boxes of owner's manuals (he even had one for that nearly-brand-new Hoover 918 that I recently bought) and let us rummage through stacks of advertising materials from many years gone by. After all that merriment we paused for dinner and then went back to Mike's shop -- where at 1:45 a.m. we were STILL repairing, rebuilding, cleaning, testing, and comparing various machines. I couldn't believe how gracious and hospitable Mike was to everyone -- it was a great day!

A few days later my business took me up to Racine -- and since I was so close, I arranged to get together with Fred Stachnik -- truly the host with the most! I was fortunate to get a "private tour" of Fred's collection plus a peek at some of his work in progress in his workshop. Both the 62 and the 150 mentioned above eventually made their way into Fred's collection where I know they'll have a good home.

The weekend prior to all of this, I visited with John Young at his home in Florence, Kentucky. I had purchased a Hoover 28 and 29 from John and I was finally getting around to picking them up. (Boxing up cleaners for shipment can be a real bear -- it's more fun to pick them up in person so that you can also see the person's collection.) John has some really dandy pieces in his collection (including a Hoover 29 with an original bag [!] that he's almost finished restoring). I also enjoyed meeting Charlie, the avuncular neighborhood black cat who feels equally at home in everybody's house on John's street!

I recently augmented my Filter Queen inventory with an Empress which I got at a yard sale for $20.00 -- Mike Rogers also gave this machine a thorough going-over for me and pronounced it good-as-new. (He's also working on the front bearing of a charming little Hoover 1348 -- the "Junior" -- that I recently found.) Now that I don't have to be on the road for a while, I hope to have some time in the evenings to finish up some restorations that I have in the hopper.

BAGS, ANYONE?? I recently bought some "assorted" Hoover bags on e/bay, some of which I can't use. Looking for a good home: one 3-pack of Hoover original "F" bags (the "long bag") for the Quik-Broom and Handivacs), one 3-pack of Hoover original "L" bags (for the Electronic 1000), and one 4-pack of "Shop Rite" bags (without a letter designation) for Convertible Cleaners and also models 12, 14, 63, 64, and 634. (They look just like Hoover "C" bags.) If anyone would like to have some or all of these bags, just e/mail me your mailing address to me at .

I always enjoy reading the postings from various members -- I check them pretty regularly, but often when I'm too tuckered out to write anything, so I hope this makes up for those omissions. I always enjoy the camaraderie and the wealth of information that folks share in the postings!

Do hope you're all making the most of these beautiful summer days! Warm regards to all.

~ Brother Chris

Brother Chris Lambert, OFM
Saint Louis, MO USA - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 21:53:06 (MDT)



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To Russ:

I do believe we are ALL Hoover collectors in this club. In same way, shape, or form, I do believe EVERYONE has at least one Hoover in their all time favorite collection.

Some of us, like R.J. and Fred S., have an exceptional Hoover collection and are considered Experts In the Field. And we do have Stan Kann, considered one of the greatest minds in our club with respect to pre-war Hoovers.

Another big one for most of our club members is Air-Way. Because its spans 83 years, it makes for a nice machine to have (and it certainly was unique in so many great ways).

Electrolux, of course, is honored by being in the collections of almost everyone I've ever known in the club. By the way, Billy Lipman's model Five from 1924 is mint, mint, mint. Down to the metal, flexible hose.

Charlie Lester is considered an expert on Electrolux, and as he will be the first to tell you, one can never know it all about Electrolux. They did soooooo many things, and made soooo many changes over the years, we are constantly surprised. Who knew Electrolux made a non-electric carpet sweeper?

Clay Floyd is considered our club expert on Rexair.

He's a very detail oriented person.

We have some very talented people in our club, Don O'Conner can rebristle Hoover brushes (or really, any revolving brush). R.J. is a master at restoring cleaners and at fabrication of obsolete parts (like cloth bags).

All I can say is Welcome To The Club.

Tom G.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 13:50:49 (MDT)



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To Evan R:

Yes, there will be another installment of "Mr. Fix-it" in the coming newsletter. When I submitted the idea originally, I committed to 3 installments, each on a different machine or topic. I was hoping that by the third installment, other club members would have contributions that they would want to submit. If you (or others) want to make a contribution to "Mr. Fix-it" PLEASE DO!!!! They can be sent directly to Louis Resigno (LRES1@aol.com). I'm sure that it would help him greatly to have some "backlog" of "raw material" to start formatting future newsletters as soon as the current issue is put to press.

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 07:41:16 (MDT)



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Terry & RJ,

Thanks so much for sending the photos taken at Milwaukee.

Bernie

Bernie Mehlbaum
Harrisburg, PA USA - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 03:14:54 (MDT)



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Hi Tom,

Thank you for the Info,on the Electrolux Hose's.

I picked up a Green Electrolux 89, model-88 made in Canada. Works great, w/ all green attch.

I'am Hoover collector

mostly. I have a few of other vacuum cleaners for my collection.

Thanks Russ

Russ Meninno
Easton, Ma. USA - Sunday, August 10, 2003 at 17:36:22 (MDT)



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To Evan Rogers:

Your Hoover Dustette was mailed to you on Thursday.

I do hope you enjoy it. I'm always amazed at that machine, everytime I use one.

Did you know that the Dustette made its launch in the late 1920's? It was the first of its type, with what Hoover called a 'silent motor'. Although far from silent, it features a motor 'in the path' of the dirty airflow from the suction fan. Apex would use this same design on their full line of post-war uprights. Apex called it a 'windtunnel' effect in their ads (a prime example of the 'stealing' of names, designs, etc. that goes on in the vacuum industry).

The first Dustette was made in North Canton. One could purchase a set of attachments for their (for example) model 700 OR get the Dustette. Hoover would soon add the Duster to their lineup - and flaunted the fact that they had "all three ways to dust" under one nameplate - Hoover : upright attachments, or the Duster, or the Dustette.

Hoover soon put their plant in England to work building the Dustette for America - ceasing North Canton production of the machine. The Dustette had a VERY long production run. The late '20's was the launch of the black Dustette - by the late '30's the English-built model would appear - turning brown (like the upright cleaners) in the '40's, adding a removable nozzle and short cleaning hose in the '50's, and becoming the Pixie (with disposable bags) in the '60's.

The motor in the Dustette is extremely well built. I don't believe I've ever seen one that didn't work.

Hoover was smart to put a metal guard over the nozzle intake. I don't believe I've ever seen a broken Dustette fan (although I have seen broken Pixie fans because a hose could be used and large, hard debris could be inhaled).

There is a wire inside the cloth bag. It's put there on purpose. It keeps the bag in the correct postion when the machine is off. BUT, it makes it hard to clean the bag out because you cannot turn it inside out. A dusting brush on the Air-Way hose end - and you'll soon have it clean.

Hope you enjoy it. Jim Kirby won a blue ribbon with his very early Dustette in one of the club's early competitions involving hand vacs.

To Jim Kirby:

I thought of you last evening (Saturday) when I was cleaning the rugs. I had the house to myself (a rare occurance) and decided to move all the furniture out of the living room on the middle floor - and I used my Premier Duplex Master Model to clean with. I used the Electrolux 1205 to do the dusting and the kitchen floor. It's been a long time since I've used vintage cleaners to do that much work. I believe the Premier ran for close to an hour. When I was done, I turned the Premier bag inside out and used the 1205 and dusting brush to clean it.

By the very end of the bag cleaning, the Electrolux 'popped' open. With the dusting, the kitchen floor, and the dirt from the Premier bag, I had filled a new Electrolux bag.

Who says the vintage machines don't pick up any dirt? (smile)

When I was finished, and had a chance to sit back down on the clean furniture in the clean room, I suddenly realized how really odd it would seem to 'regular' people if they were to have seen how much fun I was having using some very old vacuums. "Regular" people go out on a Saturday night and have fun - I had just as much fun running the old Premier that I hadn't used in years. I know I'm very strange, but I also know you can definately understand.

Tom G.

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desloge, mo USA - Sunday, August 10, 2003 at 08:21:45 (MDT)



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Charlie L., Tom G., and Russ M.:

The information about the Lux 1205, 1205 Golden Jubilee, and Super J was very interesting. I have a 1205 but haven't paid a lot of attention to its details; now I will!

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Saturday, August 09, 2003 at 15:24:00 (MDT)



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To Russ:

The 1205 always had a blue hose with white tracer. The Golden Jubilee (which was designated a 1205 but really was a separate model) came with the PN-2 and a white hose with blue and gold tracer. It had the simple metal curved end and the electric wand still had a pigtail cord to connect back of the hose handle.

The Super J reintroduced the concept of a pistol grip direct-connect hose end. Along with a new armature which turned much faster, creating more suction (but shorter armature life) - the first Super J's had the PN-2 power nozzle. It took Electrolux almost a year to come out with Super J's with the PN-4 power nozzle. The hose of the Super J was also white with blue and gold tracer until 1978, at which time it was changed to gold.

It was 1978 that the gold Model L launched.

The pigtail electric hose for the blue model L changed color with the deluxe model's electric hose. You'll see model L's with a blue electric pistol grip hose; or a blue electric simple grip hose; or a white hose with simple grip; or a white hose with pistol grip; or a gold hose with pistol grip. As long as the power nozzle matches the hose type, it would be correct (important information for future competitions in the 'original' or 'restored' category).

I really enjoy Electrolux history. Has everyone seen the first model Electrolux on Charlie Lester's website? It was a round, canister machine.

The model V (or "5") that we know from 1924 was NOT the first Electrolux model. Very interesting stuff.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Saturday, August 09, 2003 at 07:17:38 (MDT)



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To the forum:

Does anyone plan on submitting anything to the "fix it" section of the newsletter? I think that many of us could benefit from it?

I don't mean to be rude, but i'm just wondering.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Friday, August 08, 2003 at 19:50:15 (MDT)



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Hi, Tom

Thank you for the info, on the 1205's Electrolux

vacuum Cleaners.

I have another question, When did the White power Hose w/ blue + gold stripe show up. All i see around is the Blue Power Hose, w/ White stripe ?

Thanks, Russ

Russ Meninno
Easton, Ma. USA - Friday, August 08, 2003 at 09:16:47 (MDT)



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To Jeff Parker:

I'm very glad you didn't lose any of your vacuums to the water. In 1993, we had a flood in my town, and the Kirby Company of Festus went under. They lost several model C Kirby cleaners and one Vacuette Electric. I was planning on getting them the following week. But that's luck for you. Hope your place dries out and that everything will be OK.

Brother Chris is certainly a delight. I had the good fortune to ride with him to the meeting in Milwaukee. We had a blast. I read from the bible ("The Fabulous Dustpan" by Frank Hoover) to him and then did a sermon on what I'd read. We had a lot of laughs and I really came to like and respect Chris a lot. I'm glad you got a chance to get to know him better.

To Charlie Lester:

The Silverado model BEFORE the launch of the Diamond Jubilee had the Electrolux-built motor (like the Olympia One and Super J). At the very, very end of the Silverado run, they introduced the PN-5 with the L-shaped head. Then, the Diamond Jubilee came out, with the redesigned motor (YUKK!) that burned up during the demonstrations. Three months after the launch of the Diamond Jubilee, they reintroduced the Silverado with the D.J.'s motor (hence the difference in the bag cage). The D.J. motor was smaller, that's why they needed the tube from the back of the cage to the fan case of the new style motor.

I believe we were told they had like 25,000 of the Silverado reissues and then they were gone. I remember selling a few of them around that time, as I didn't like the D.J.

The Special model was first launched with the Olympia One in order to get away from the pigtail electric hose (it used the same hose as the deluxe model) and to be a model change from the long-time model L. Interestingly, the Special Model's motor is different from any other Lux motor and you can't interchange parts.

The Special Model was made in three colors, brown to match the Olympia One, grey to match the Silverado, and cream to match the Diamond Jubilee.

It was about the same time that the Silverado Reissue was winding down that Electrolux introduced the Hi Tech 2100 from Canada (a piece of s::t) to take its place as a lower end, automatic model. We had three models at that time, D.J., Hi Tech, and Special. Very soon (1986) they would stop production of the Special and made a non-automatic Hi Tech in plastic. This was because in 1986, Consolidated Foods sold Electrolux to the company Executives who only thought of money, not customers. So, within a few years, we had all-plastic Electrolux's and they were have REGINA private label the Electric Broom as an Electrolux. Talk about the end of an era.

I love Electrolux history though. I know you do too. My favorite 1205 model was the very first, without the electric hose.

There's something about that beautiful blue color and polished aluminum top trim that really makes it look space age and high tech.

Tom G.

tom gasko
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Charlie,

The Golden Jubilee is labeled model 1205 on the inside of the bag door. Mike LaBue ( Hi Mike! )recently informed an Ebayer that the "1205" that they were selling was actually a Golden J but they emailed him back saying that it was a 1205. Mike then posted this exchange on the now defunct vac web. It was at that time i went and took a closer look at my Golden J and lo and behold, model 1205 in printed on the inside of the bag door. I'll show you when you come visit. Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Thursday, August 07, 2003 at 22:14:39 (MDT)



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Duh-uhhhh, in my last post I said "Silverado" when I meant to say "1205" --- !!

Charlie Lester
Hollywood, CA USA - Thursday, August 07, 2003 at 12:27:56 (MDT)



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p.s. on the Silverado, while the later versions had a better hose and power nozzle, I prefer the appearance of the earlier ones, with the smooth, lighter-blue body. It's a much more subtle and elegant color than the garish "in your face" turquoise of the krinkled-metal finish that came later.

I have one early 1205 that's something of an oddity -- the back end of the cord winder is painted in "Electrolux Factory" Hammertone blue! I mean to say, it's not spray-painted Hammertone that was the work of some fixer-upper, it's the genuine baked-on Hammertone used for the trim of the later LX as well as the late XXX and factory-rebuilt XXXs, and then the E and AE. The hammertone finish looks really nice with the "gun metal blue" body.

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Hollywood, CA USA - Thursday, August 07, 2003 at 12:21:08 (MDT)



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Hi Tom, enjoyed your comments about the 1205. One little nit I would pick is about the model number designation for the Golden Jubilee. Wasn't it called the 1210?

Funny, when the 1205 first came out I thought it was really ugly. And a lot of people, including one of my aunts, complained that its flat face got caught on table legs, etc., because of its flat and angular lines that made a hard edge around the side of the bag cover, whereas the smooth face of the G and all earlier machines glided right past such obstacles. Especially the models with front bumpers, the G and late F.

Plus, I had some bad memories of a traumatic experience involving the 1205, with a creepy Electrolux salesman that for a long time tainted my thoughts about the 1205 ---- but I am over that now, thanks to the passing of time and a lot of therapy! ;P In retrospect, I now think the 1205 is a beautiful machine. I like the colors and the sleek, very "late 1960s Swedish Industrial" design aesthetic. It really is a pretty thing.

Of all the "modern" (post G) Electroluxes, though, in terms of overall appearance and performance, I'd have to say that the Silverado is my favorite. I love the gray color scheme, and it's a great machine.

There were two variations of the Silverado as well, which many people don't know about. Cosmetically they are identical but one version [I assume the later version??] has a larger motor and a differently designed bag cage that makes it a much more powerful machine.

In one version, the bag cage has a neck about 2" long that connects to the motor, so the bag part of the bag cage was further away from the motor if you know what I mean.

On the other one, the larger motor takes up the space of the bag cage neck, so the bag cage is right up against the motor fans giving you a more direct blast. It measures significantly higher both in terms of lift and air velocity.

I would also assume that this is what the difference is between the so-called "Silverado" and the "Silverado Deluxe," no? Then there was the Silverado Special with a plastic halo instead of automatic cord winder and, I think, no automatic bag popper-opener.

I like the 75th Anniversary model too, from its historical standpoint, and it has a nice color ensemble, but don't think it's as pretty as the Silverado.

Before the Renaissance came out, when I saw pre-release photos and designs of it, I got quite excited about it. I really liked its 1930s-inspired sleekness and I stated to a lot of people that if a designer had sat down in 1937 and drew out what an Electrolux would look like in the 1990s, he'd probably have come up with something that looked very much like the Renaissance.

Then, when it came out and proved to be such a "turkey," technology- and performance-wise, it was a big disappointment.

And *yuck* -- all that PLASTIC!! Oh, excuse me ... it's not made of "plastic," as an Electrolux representative tersely corrected me --- it's made of "space-age lexan, the same high-impact polycarbonate that the hull of the Space Shuttle was made of and that is used for bulletproof windows." Or something along that line. ["A rose by any other name..."]

Charlie Lester
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Hey Everyone,

I don't get in here too often, but wanted to take a minute to say thanks again to Brother Chris for a wonderful Saturday evening. Tom Anderson was visiting from Ohio, and we all met up at Mike Rogers place for an evening of vacuums. It was a great time.

On a more serious note, Tom and I headed off to one of the local flea markets on Sunday morning. We weren't gone 45 minutes when I recieved a frantic call from home...a sudden thunderstorm had come up and really pounded the daylights out of the place. I was told to get home as fast as I could.

When we arrived home we found the street under water, Jason & Jack shivering on the front porch, and an inch of water in the basement. Jason had managed to move most of the vacuums upstairs before things got really bad. I lost the Hoover display cubes, and a couple of cleaners got a little wet, but everyone survived. I was lucky too. My neighbor two doors north had water knee deep.

My collection is now scattered throughout my house, awaiting the basement to dry.

I'm really glad Jason was here, and I am hoping this summer does not repeat itself weather-wise...

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Wednesday, August 06, 2003 at 21:27:41 (MDT)



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To Russ:

There were several variations of the model 1205. Electrolux introduced the machine BEFORE they were sold to Consolidated Foods (but only a few months before). The first 1205 had a metal handle, a smooth blue body, the double ports for the power nozzle (the outlet UNDER the opening, and the cut-outs IN the opening). This was because you could buy only the non-electric hose at the time, with the cord that ran along it. The electric hose was coming but not at first. The first 1205's had a power nozzle with an attached plastic wand, like the model G's. It also did NOT have an attachment clip, had red outlines along the word "Electrolux" on the side, and had NO screen between the bag cage and the motor fans.

Also, the serial number was stamped at the rear, not on the raised pad between the front swivel wheel, as they would do when Consolidated Foods took over.

The second design still had the smooth blue body, but it now had a plastic handle and a screen between the fans and the bag cage. It came with the option of the electric PISTOL GRIP hose, and TELESCOPIC wand. Towards the end of the run of this design, they added the attachment clip.

The third design is the one with the different color body and different paint design. More of a 'rough' finish. It had the 'simple electric hose' that had a metal curved end, the new electric wand that did NOT telescope and had a pigtail to be connected back of the electric hose handle.

The last change was to the PN-2 power nozzle, which was done right before the end of the 1205's run. Interestingly, the Golden Jubilee was just a 1205 painted a new color and with a new top and handle. The model number of the Golden Jubilee IS 1205 also.

From my research, the 1205 was launched in October of 1967. By mid 1968, Consolidated Foods had not only bought Electrolux, but made the first major change to the machine (the addition of the electric hose and telescopic wand).

The first 1205's owners book shows the machine with the straight suction hose, the cord running along the hose, and the power nozzle with the attached white plastic wand. The hose cord was plugged in under the suction opening. No mention in the book was made of the electric contact cut-outs in the suction opening, but they were pictued in every picture in the book of the machine body. The Consolidated Foods owners manual showed the on the book cover, just the suction opening and front end of the cleaner. This would change two more times during the run of the 1205.

tom g.

tom gasko
festus, mo USA - Wednesday, August 06, 2003 at 08:53:05 (MDT)



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Hi, All

I came across two 1205

Electrolux Vacuums. They are not the same ? One has lighter blue color,Red out line around side bumper guard, no clip for two way tool, and two ways for a power nozzle, all factory. The factory hose is odd looking to.

The other one has Gold out line around side bumper guard w/ clip for the two way tool. Would one be older than the other ?

Thanks, Russ

Russ Meninno
Easton, Ma. USA - Tuesday, August 05, 2003 at 19:34:46 (MDT)



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Tom G.:

I enjoyed reading the thorough history you presented of Frantz Premier and its acquisition by G.E. and of the Premier and G.E. cleaners.

Thanks for setting us straight on this.

Since I haven't run my Premier Duplex Master recently, I'm going upstairs and do that now!

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Tuesday, August 05, 2003 at 15:38:12 (MDT)



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To Jim Kirby and Charlie L.:

Frantz Premier started in 1911 with Jim Kirby's design for an electric and non-electric cleaner (by the way, the non-electric cleaner was the so-called Grasshopper model). They used General Electric motors.

In 1918, Frantz Premier sold out to the General Electric company, who revised the machine slightly and called it the Premier. The Electric Vacuum Cleaner Company was a division of General Electric. Premier sold straight suction machines, then motor driven 'rubber' brush machines in 1921 (called Premier Duo-Drives), and finally, motor driven 'horsehair' brush machines from 1924 on, (called Premier Duplex). In 1929, The General Electric name appeared on their vacuums, they had both a motor driven brush model AND a straight suction model until 1934.

For the most part, the General Electric and Premier models were identical. Consider one of the best from this company, the GE 111 and the Premier Grand. Both featured the backwards revolving brush and the same motor. The GE version was slightly 'plainer' looking, with the Premier version having more 'lines' to it. They also built the first Singer motor driven brush machine at the same time, called the Singer R-1 with the same backwards revolving brush but more art deco 'lines'.

It was because GE was supplying the motors to Frantz Premier, that they were to learn of Carl Frantz' desire to sell the company in 1918. And the rest is history.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Tuesday, August 05, 2003 at 05:54:54 (MDT)



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Charlie:

Charlie, I believe Premiers were manufactured by the Electric Vacuum Cleaner Co. in the 1920's and at least part of the 1930's. I know that G.E. acquired Premier and don't if they used the name Electric Vacuum Cleaner Co. as a Premier subsidiary. I'll look at the Premiers I have to see who is listed as the manufacturer. I have Premiers from the 20's, 30's, and 40's. I thought I remembered that G.E. acquired Premier in the thirties.

Jim Kirby

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 18:48:18 (MDT)



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Anyone wanna handle this query for me? I don't know anything about the referenced company...

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Bartholomew Family wrote:

Could you please tell me anything about the Electric Vacuum Cleaner Company of Cleveland Ohio? I have acquired a handheld vacuum that I am curious about. Definitely old. Thanks.

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Charlie Lester
USA - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 16:03:57 (MDT)



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To Tom, funny you would ask me these questions about the XXX/LX/LXI rug tool ... as I had emailed you the same exact questions a week or so ago when I noticed an XXX with the "newer" type of rug tool on eBay!!

I have seen several of these come and go, and they have varied in color -- some were dark turquoise, matching the color of the turquise trim on the LX, others were a sickly gray-green color (like the "deteriorated AE color" you mentioned), and at least one was dark gray matching the XXX rubber trim.

And I think we have all seen the various plastic rug tools that presumably were wartime items. I have seen them in black, blue-green and gray; and with stripe "designs" and without, and with rubber trim and without...... There seems to have been an infinite number of variations on these!

And similary, I have seen plastic XXX dusting brushes & upbolstery nozzles, again, in hues of blue-green-gray & BLACK .... the one thing I have never seen is a plastic bare floor tool. Wonder if any were made...

This is a mystery to me as well. NONE of the literature I have ever seen from Electrolux depicts, or even mentions, a "new style" rug tool. The first time I saw one, I assumed it was Canadian or U.K. since those non-U.S. machines had some "odd" attachments in terms of what came with U.S. machines. (E.g., the Canadian AE came with XXX-type rug/floor tools, and blue plastic dusting and upholstery tools -- not the "normal" combination tools in either instance. Yet, the Canadian AE also had the chrome "lip" on top to store the combination dusting tool. Go figger that out!!)

So I am as much in the dark as you are...!

btw, after many years I have finally found out that my beloved XXX/LX/E polisher attachment WAS sold in other countries, Canada and Germany at least and maybe others --- I have recently gotten some literature from these companies -- the Canadian version was called the "Polisher Junior" and the German one was called "Wenig Bohner" [translated idiomatically: "Little Polisher"]) The Canadian version appears to be identical to the U.S., while the German version had a large metallic-looking plastic decal in the form of the Electrolux "sunburst" logo, that covered the logo engraved in the top of the polisher housing. Ohhh, wouldn't I love to find one of those..........

Charlie Lester
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***EBAY FRAUD ALERT***

Well, I have just spent the better part of two days trying to recover from an on-line identity theft committed against me. I am sending this report out as a warning to others who may fall for the same scam.

Friday, I received an email that very much appeared to be from eBay -- incorporating its logos, graphics, and aesthetic elements, with a legitimate eBay return address (aw-confirm@ebay.com), and a link to a page on the eBay site.

The very official- and legitimate-looking email stated that eBay had recently done a "routine" check of account information and found that my information was outdated or incomplete. I needed to provide current information or else have my account suspended, the email stated.

The email also contained boxes to enter my eBay username and password. It instructed that upon entering that information I would be taken to eBay's Account Update, where I would need to submit all my personal information or else be suspended.

And that is exactly what I did.

When I entered my username and password as instructed, a popup window opened with a form to fill out. I had to enter my name, address, phone number, credit card info, PayPal ID, bank account number & routing info, social security number, and other pertinent financial information.

I -did- wonder why eBay would ask for all of this information, but figured it was because of the way that eBay and PayPal work together. I -had- already provided most, if not all, of this information to PayPal when I joined. Thus, I did not think anything about providing this information again. (In order to send or receive funds, users must provide credit, bank and identity information to both PayPal and eBay so the two concerns can work together.)

However, I have discovered that this was a fraudulent request for information. When I submitted the form, there was no subsequent followup or reply of any kind from eBay, and that was when I became suspicious. So I went looking.

I found, buried on a page about 30-deep in their site, a notice warning people about this scam, which I assume must be very widespread by now. (Why was the warning not on their home page??!)

Thus, I have spent my weekend calling credit card companies, banks, the FTC Fraud Alert Center, and the three credit reporting clearinghouses. I can only hope that I have covered everything. Of course, I have already changed my eBay and PayPal passwords.

I would sure like to know how these evildoers got my eBay email address. I use it ONLY for eBay transactions, and ONLY other eBay users, with whom I have had legitimate transactions, would have this information. And, indeed, the use of this email address lent further credence to the notice since NO ONE ELSE would even know of the existence of this address.

I can only suspect that this fraud has been perpetrated by someone within eBay itself, or some third party who has access to its username database. There is NO OTHER WAY that someone could have gotten this information.

I have been using computers for 20 years, and have been on-line since before the Internet was really the Internet, if you know what I mean. =I= am the one usually sending out warnings to other people about Internet-hased scams and frauds. And yet, here am I, the one falling for one. But again, it was a brilliantly forged email.

Please pass the word on.

P.S.: In case you have already also fallen for this, the following information will get you started on the road to recovery:

eBay Identity Theft

http://pages.ebay.com/help/index_popup.html?confidence=problems-identity-theft.html

Equifax Fraud Alert 1-888-766-0008

(they will automatically also alert TransUnion and Experian)

FTC Complaint Clearinghouse

If you've been a victim of identity theft, file a complaint with the FTC by contacting the FTC's Identity Theft Hotline toll-free 1-877-IDTHEFT, or online at www.consumer.gov/idtheft.

You should also file an Identity Theft report with your local police department.

Furthermore, if you use PayPal you will also need to change your PayPal password, and, of course, update your credit information there.

Or ... better yet ... take your computer, modem, printer, fax machine, cell phone, pager, PDA, put it all in a big box ... and have a big bonfire. Then, go find a cave to live in where the most high-tech thing in there are two sticks for making fire...

"What a world, what a world..."

Charlie Lester
Hollywierd, USA - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 01:44:57 (MDT)



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To Charlie Lester:

Can I pick your brain a minute about Electrolux?

You are our club expert, never met anyone else who knows as much about the subject as you.

Electrolux Rug Tools:

I've noticed that some late model XXX and some model LX and LX1 machines have a rug tool that is NOT polished aluminum. It's made from a 'greenish' bakelite or plastic (maybe vinyl?) covering. Were these blue when new? I've seen the blue dusting brush from the AE and E turn that same shade of green over the years.

I've seen two different 'plastic - top' rug tools, one with the circular airflow concentrater on top and one with a square airflow concentrater. What's odd is that I've seen some original LX's from 1954 with the aluminum tool and some with both styles of plastic tools. I've seen some dusting brushes from the same era that are a 'greenish' bakelite and some that are polished aluminum.

My mother has a friend with an original LX from 1953 that she bought new, and it has the plastic rug tool with the square top. Yet, I recently was given an LX1 that the lady bought new (she even had the receipt in the book still) and it had the aluminum rug tool and the plastic dusting brush.

Can you clear up the mystery surrounding these tools and both the time frame as well as the 'why' of these things?

None of the tools match the blue of the LX, but they may have when new.

Do you know?

Thanks for your help with these questions.

Tom G.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Sunday, August 03, 2003 at 07:53:49 (MDT)



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To Evan R.:

I can't speak for anyone else, but I try to look at our forum at least once a day. I don't always have anything new to say, so I just post when I do. Today, I do.

To the Club:

A lady came into the store today, and asked me if I would like an old Hoover that had belonged to her mother. I said YES, and I offered to carry it in for her. She said it was no problem and went to her car. It was no problem, because it's a Hoover Dustette.

It's the brown one, matches the models 27, 28, 50, 51, 60, 61, and 115 (Hoover Junior).

It works great, the cord is the large brown cord, the bag is the brown Hoover bag with NO holes in it. A good machine to add to a collection.

However, Brother Christopher Lambert already brought me one a while back. This is an exact duplicate. I'm offering it for FREE to anyone in the club who wants one, you pay only the postage to get it to you.

Anyone Want A Hoover Dustette To Go With Your Late '40's Hoovers?

Shipping shouldn't cost more than about $5 or $6.

tom g.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Saturday, August 02, 2003 at 12:40:15 (MDT)



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Does anyone come here anymore? It seems like i'm the only one that still posts here. Where is everyone?

Ron Jones:

I received the picturedisk in the mail from you today. Thank you so much for sending it to me. I look forward to seeing you next year.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Friday, August 01, 2003 at 19:42:05 (MDT)


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To Chuck Chatham:

I received the model 63 hose from you today. Thank you so much!

To Marty Rocha:

I got the Sunbeam Courier bags from you today. Also thank you so much to you!

To the forum:

Is there any way you can restore faded cloth bags? If there is, does anyone have experience with the procedure/techniques of doing so?

Thank you

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 12:14:03 (MDT)



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Mark Goodall:

Thanks for the good humor you share with us. I would loved to have seen your episode with the G3!

Although I've had telephone and/or e-mail contact with you, Byron O'Dowd, and Robert Azar in Omaha, I haven't had the good fortune to meet any one of you. One of these days I need to drive to Omaha and meet you guys.

I also have relatives in Omaha that I haven't seen in awhile.

One Sunday a couple of years ago, a cousin in Kansas City and I drove to Oamah to pick up a Premier that another collector had found for me there. Since it was Sunday, O'Dowd's Vacuum wasn't open; but we did see where it is located and looked in the window and then enjoyed dinner at the Bohemian Cafe.

By the way, Mark, I just got another Airway 55A today with original hose and all attachments. Seems like I remember you used one of these in a sculpture.

Best regards.

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 14:27:19 (MDT)



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I was cleaning the office this morning with my Kirby G3 with Tech Drive. I pulled the cord from the outlet so walked back to reinsert. When returning to the cleaner, the handle rocked back (my cord tending I suspect) and it started chasing me, driving backward in circles. I was wearing sandals and banged my ankle bone. The G3 has alway been head strong and fast out of the gate, but I am sure it was all in fun with no malice intended. (Too bad it was not filmed, I sure looked silly). Y'all take care.

Mark Goodall
Omaha, NE USA - Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 10:48:35 (MDT)



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Marty:

My e-mail address listed in the roster has a typo. It should be R3beeze@aol.com. In the roster, I think it says Rzbreeze@aol.com, which is incorrect.

Thank you very much for sending me the Sunbeam bags. I'll let you know when I get them.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Friday, July 25, 2003 at 12:44:17 (MDT)



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Evan, I tried to send you an email but it came back unable to send. I just want to let you know that i sent the Sunbeam Courier bags in the mail this morning. Have fun, Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Friday, July 25, 2003 at 11:51:33 (MDT)



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To Evan:

What you need for the Hoover bag is called the bag hanger. I didn't know which type you had with your 700, whether it was a slide on top or a hanger.

The correct 700 bag (like the one I sent you) opens only at the bottom. The bag hanger is suspended from the bag by the two little hooks at the top of the bag. I'm sure someone in the club will have an extra model bag hanger.

Don't wash the bag. Just turn it inside out and vacuum it very well with a dusting brush and a canister cleaner. Then, have someone sew up the tiny little holes at the bag base where it attaches to the ring.

They made the Hoover 700 for 3 years, and made several changes to it in that time. The correct Hoover bag will have the word Hoover in orange to match the 'triangle' name plate on the front of the brush hood. You can use your slide on bag hanger for now until you get the correct one for a 700. You'll see a big difference when you use the correct bag on a 700.

You're welcome for the bag.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Friday, July 25, 2003 at 05:50:39 (MDT)



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Hi All,

Thanks for your emails and concern when I was sick these past 2 weeks. I am all better now, and feeling fine.

I was on ebay and noticed a great item for sale. Don't know who is selling it, but it would be great for the owner of a Vintage Upright Eureka with the top base conversion hose. Its the attachment set with the box and all, and it doesnt look used. Here is the link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2336817927&category=43523

Take care!

Warmly, Mark

Mark Tomey (manicmark)
Hollywood, CA USA - Friday, July 25, 2003 at 01:09:47 (MDT)



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Tom Gasko:

I received the 700 bag from you today. I couldn't believe that you fit it in such a small box! It looks to be in good shape, but I didn't think that the 700 had the orange "stripe" going through the middle. In my model 700 manual, the bag it shows is a black bag that says "the Hoover" on it. It doesn't show the orange stripe going through the middle. I'm thinking that this bag might have gone to a later model 700?

Also, it didn't come with the metal bag retainer, and my replacement 700 bag has a bag slide with a spring on it. So if you or anyone elso on this forum has a metal bag retainer in good shape for a model 700, let me know.

Thanks again Tom for providing me with a really nice bag for my Hoover. You're a great guy.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 20:22:21 (MDT)



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To Bernie M.:

I'm going to need some help to move about 150 vacuums out of the storage area in order to get TO the old Bug Eye that's there. I got it years ago from Stan Kann and promptly put it away. Since that time, I've moved, and it was one of the first machines to go into the storage area.

If you could see what I have to move in order to get to the back of the storage area, you'd understand why it takes so long. I didn't forget that I told you I'd try to help find you a Bug Eye lens. As soon as a few club members visit me and are up for the task, I'll get those machines moved out and let you know about the parts.

Tom G.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 06:00:10 (MDT)



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To the forum:

This is probably a stupid question, but does anyone have a hose and attachments for an orange Hoover Pixie hand vac?

To Ron Jones:

Would you be able to mail me a cd of the pictures you took last month at the convention? I would love to see them. My address is in the roster.

Thank you.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Wednesday, July 23, 2003 at 18:47:46 (MDT)



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Tom Gasko,

Will you send the Kenmore Bug-eye parts you promised some months ago. I've not heard another word from you. Just amother reminder. Thanks in advance.

--Bernie

Bernie Mehlbaum
Harrisburg, PA USA - Wednesday, July 23, 2003 at 10:06:46 (MDT)



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To Club Members:

I received a call today from a lady in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area (she lives in St. Paul) who has a Hamilton Beach upright, model 14 that she wants to give away to someone who will come and pick it up. According to her, it's in nice shape. I asked her questions about the bag and it's original. The brush roller seems to be in good shape too.

The model 14 Hamilton Beach upright is a very cool machine, from the early 1930's. It is shaped kind of like a Eureka model G. Or a small head Kirby. They all look the same, with the bag on the side. The model 14's motor is very strong, it would be a good machine to enter in the competition next year.

Since this person is giving away the machine to a club member who will come get it, is there any one in the club who might be able to use it?

Just write or call me and I'll give you her contact information.

Tom Gasko

vacuums106@webtv.net

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Wednesday, July 23, 2003 at 06:16:04 (MDT)



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Dear Members:

I have just returned to earth after several days of flying and I am so PLEASED to see the posting going on here!!!!!!!!!!!

You folks almost begged for a website and forum lasr year and then we got one and there was small activity at best.

To see all the posting! Huray and thank you!

Evan, I'm not sure which model Singer I had but I think it was a R-4 in Louisville. It now lives with Mark Thomas in Wilmington, NC. I now have a R-3, which is a polished model with the brush roll revolving towards the bag. It has a 2 speed motor and is incredibly powerful for it's time frame. I think, it is the first of the polished models that changed the direction of the brushroll. The R-4, was, I belive, the first of the brown matte finish. I also have a mint A frame Singer that is fabulous.

I will be putting my fab 541 and 700 on ebay in the near future. Of course, they are Hoovers.

Evan, please tell Ruth, your mother, how much I enjoyed meeting her. I wish I had your parents! They are so WONDERFUL. No wonder you are such a great guy and an asset to our club.

My best to all.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Tuesday, July 22, 2003 at 23:28:54 (MDT)



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Tom:

Thanks for the valuble information on my Singer.

Also thank you for mailing my 700 bag. I'll let you know when I get it.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Tuesday, July 22, 2003 at 09:23:35 (MDT)



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To Evan Rogers:

Yes, the last polished aluminum Singer was the R-4 from 1939. Use a Hoover Elite belt, and it will be perfect.

The R-1 (1933) was really made by General Electric/Premier FOR Singer. It's identical in motor as well as operation to a Premier Grand and the GE 111. All three feature the backwards revolving brush roller.

The R-2 and R-3 were launched at the same time (1936) and feature smaller nozzles and lighter weight than the R-1. The R-3 had the cord rewinder and the R-2 did not.

After world war II, Singer came back with the R-4, but painted it instead of polished it. They called it the R-5.

In 1949, Singer launched the A frame models.

I did mail your Hoover bag on friday.

Congratulations on your recent increase to your collection. The Sunbeam Courier does very well in the carpet cleaning contest. Remember, it has the same nozzle and motor as the Sunbeam Challenger that won the straight suction cleaning contest this year.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Tuesday, July 22, 2003 at 05:39:33 (MDT)



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Hi all, Just recieved the CD today from Ron Jones with the pictures that he took at the convention. They were great, almost like being there all over again. Thanks Ron.

Terry Lattz
Danvillw, Il USA - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 20:54:15 (MDT)



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Marty Rocha:

I got all the vacuums from fellow VCCC member Russ Meninno of East Bridgewater, MA. He is about a one hour drive from my home and he is the only other member in Massachusetts besides me.

He e-mailed me asking if I would be interested in some free vacuums because he was thinning out his collection. I told him I would be interested. Me and my dad drove out and we loaded them into my dads SUV. He told me that he got them all from yard sales/flea markets/thrift stores/etc.

None of them have been restored yet so it should keep me busy for quite awile :o).

I would LOVE it if you could send me some courier bags. My address is in the roster.

Terry Lattz:

I received the pictures from you in the mail today. They are great. Thank you very much for taking the time to send them to me. I hope to see you next year in Chicago!

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 19:53:39 (MDT)



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Evan,

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Where on earth did you get all those vacuums? I can help you with the Sunbeam Courier bags! I just have to get them at my parent's house later this week. Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs , CA USA - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 18:28:47 (MDT)



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Tom:

I have One more question: Did you mail my 700 bag yet?

Let me know

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 13:45:18 (MDT)



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Tom:

I didn't quite understand your post.

Did you mean that the R-4 was the last polished aluminum Singer and the R-5 was the first Singer with the wrinkle finish paint and was the first Singer sold after world war II?

I thought Charlies Singer was an R-4 since in the list of machines entered in the cleaning contest in the Summer 2002 newsletter, it said R-4. It must have been an error.

When was my R-4 made? And what belt should I use on it?

Thank you

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 13:41:56 (MDT)



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To Evan Rogers:

The Singer Charlie Watrous had at the meeting a year ago was an R-5. The R-5 was the last polished aluminum Singer they made. The R-5, with wrinkle finish paint, was sold AFTER World War II.

tom gasko
festus, mo USA - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 08:57:20 (MDT)



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Hello forum.

I just got a number of new vacuums and I need parts. If anyone can supply me with any of the parts listed below, I would be greatful.

I need:

Hose and attachments, and a cord for a Hoover Aerodyne 41(gray and red). I think this is the same model Aerodyne that R.J. brought to the convention.

Hose and attachments for a Hoover Aerodyne model 50 (dark brown). I don't think the attachments I got with mine are the original. The hose end is straight(I thought it was curved originally),The wands are aluminum and the attachments look like they go to an older upright.

Hose, cord, and floor tool for a Hoover Aerodyne model 51(tan).

Hose and attachments for an Air-Way 66

Hose and attachments for an Air-Way 77

Bag and handle bail for a Hoover model 541

Bag for a Hoover 425

Hose for a Hoover 63 Attachment set(blue)

Cord and headlight lens for a Hoover 28

Rear switch plate and belt cover for a Hoover Lark model 12

Rear switch plate, cord, and bag for a Hoover Lark model 14

Cord and headlight lens for an A-frame Singer S-4

Cord for a Hoover 115

Hose and attachments for a Sunbeam Courier, and bags, preferably genuine

Wands, rug tool, dusting brush, and upholstery tool for a Singer C-1(brown),(private label Eureka 900 series)

Also, I got a Singer R-4 in chrome with a cord reel and a black bag with the red singer logo in the upper right hand corner. Didn't Charlie Watrous bring one of these to the Louisville convention in 2002? His was brown with a brown bag and it had a handle socket in the back. Mine has a handle bail. Are these two different Singers that use the same model number? What belt should I use on it?

Charlie Watrous: Did you try to resend that e-mail to me yet? I stiil haven't received it.

Thank you

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 12:09:46 (MDT)



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To Charlie Lester:

the "R" Kirby models did not come with the lifter grip (miniature handle) nor the shoulder strap. The "portability" feature, allowing the cleaner to be used as a "tank type" or a 'shoulder portable' was unique to the model sold door to door.

Also, the Scott and Fetzer Company still made and marketed the straight suction "Keystone" vacuum up until the start of world war 2. In reality, it was a "Vacuette Electric" model with a different name.

Kirby has made some interesting cleaners over the years, with the most interesting surely being the AeRotor canister vacuum. We (the VCCC) had a chance to examine it when we went to the Kirby Company a few years ago.

It would even pick up water, and in 1927, that was a novelty.

They made a hand held cleaner called the Vacuette Junior (also the Kirby Junior) that was extremely interesting. I had one for a while. Mike Pletcher has it now. I don't even remember what we traded for it. Anyway, it had a sliding nozzle that would either communicate with the suction fan for cleaning, or the blower for blowing. That meant that the blower was THROUGH the nozzle. Why? So moth crystals could be inhaled into the fan, pulverized, then sent out of the nozzle with the blowing air into a piece of furniture. Very advanced hand vac, although quite heavy.

Has anyone noticed a mistake that the Kirby Company has made for YEARS. They show the 1914 "grasshopper" model on their website and in their company literature. Yet, the Scott and Fetzer Company never made or marketed it. They had NOTHING to do with it. It was made by Franz Premier, long before Jim Kirby ever met either Mr. Scott or Mr. Fetzer.

Thanks for the Kirby lesson on the differences in the C and R series.

Interestingly, Jason Davis entered a model C in a cleaning contest years ago and it did very poorly. Yet his machine was in perfect working order. I guess the Kirby was just no match for the great Hoover 150 (smile). Think how advanced the Hoover 150 was compared to the model C Kirby. The Hoover model 60 (with disposable bag) was competition for the model 2C Kirby. Now THAT was REALLY advanced for the time.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 07:51:46 (MDT)



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Jimmy Martin just called and said CBS is re-running the segment of the VCCC convention in Louisville at 10:00 A.M. EST.

Michael Hays
Greefield, OH USA - Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 07:20:23 (MDT)



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Hi Jim Kirby, and all---

Yes, the Model 1C and 1R, and then maybe also the 2C and 2R, had the bag with the solid-gold logo.

I am not sure exactly when the switch was made to the hollow logo, whether it was the the "2s" or "3s" as I have never seen an original 2, nor do I have an instruction booklet for it.

I have an instruction booklets for the 3C and 4C and the newer, "505-style" bag with the hollow logo is depicted in both of them.

By the way, I think I have finally distilled down all, or most of, the differences in the 4 C and R models. What I still do not know is dates of manufacture. I only know that the model 1C came out in 1935 and the 505 in 1945, so the 4 "C" machines were sold for a total of ten years.

Here goes on the details, and someone correct me if I am wrong on anything:

First off, as we have already established, the "R" series stood for "Retail" -- the 1, 2, 3, and 4 correlated, design-detail-wise, to the like-numbered "C" series, except that each of the "R" machines had a motor switch in the handle instead of down at the bottom on the side of the motor.

This is kind of an odd thing from our perspective, but maybe for some reason the Kirby people thought that the machine with a handle switch would sell better in department store settings, even though that meant it could not be used with a short handle unless they supplied a separate cord, and with no switch. Go figger.

Anyway, then to the four different machines:

1C - Wooden middle section of handle with metal bottom fork, and metal and wood handle. Bottom cord hook a metal hook that screwed to the bottom of the wooden piece. Plain looking motor-driven rug nozzle housing - just rounded off on the ends with no lines or design work. Optional headlight, in a casing that was scrolled at the ends and rather ornate looking, w/ no bumpers. Belt shaft cover is a thin, brass-colored metal plate that matches the gold logo on the bag. Sani-Emptor with narrow metal bottom hatch. Bag: Black canvas-like cloth, with a reddish orange Kirby logo against a solid gold circle, then a pair of gold stripes running up and down the bag in a straight line. Axle for rear wheels is a short curved metal piece that screws into the back of the motor housing.

2C - same handle as above except middle section now metal -- top part still metal with wood grip. Bottom cord hook now an integrated part of the lower-section fork part. New, more streamlined rug nozzle housing - more angular and tapering out toward the ends, and with accent lines running down vertically to the left and right of the belt cover. Headlight now standard feature, with a new-style, angular housing that has little metal bumper strips on the three outermost edges. Belt shaft cover is black bakelite with orange Kirby logo - it's thicker than the one on the 1C and has "ribbed" edges presumably to make it easier to pull off. Sani-Emptor larger in size (same size as up thru 515) and with bottom cover of black phenolic plastic. Bag: Either the same bag as 1C, or the new style black canvas bag, of thicker material, with a red and gold Kirby logo against a hollow circle, and with pairs of gold and red lines running up and down the bag with the upper lines on the right side of the circle and the lower lines on the left side of the circle. Axle for rear wheel still a separate piece.

3C - As far as I know, and according to illustrations in the manual, is the same machine as the 2C but with the new-style all-metal handle with black, ribbed rubber grip of the same shape and type as used until the 514.

4C - First machine to have the rear axle as an integrated part of the motor housing instead of a separate screw-on piece. Gives the machine a much more streamlined look, which would not change until 1956 with the completely redesigned 516.

I don't know about all the differences in the attachments -- they are all shown with the same hose I have seen up through the 505, a black cloth hose with red and gold stripes, and black fibre-type wands.

Also worth noting that the first belt lifter did not come out until the late 505 -- the first 505 still had just the non-functional nameplate over the belt shaft.

Charlie Lester
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Charlie Lester and Tom Gasko:

Charlie, when I read your post here referring to the Kirby Model C and the Packard on ebay, I went upstairs to examine the bag on the Model C Kirby in my collection. Until I read your post, I thought the bag on my Model C was the original; but it isn't. The logo isn't the solid gold logo. Thanks for telling us what the original bag's logo looked like and how rare the bag is.

When I acquired the Model C Kirby I still have, I really had made a package deal for three vacuum cleaners that I bought from a retired vac shop owner in Manhattan, KS. The package consisted of two Model C's, one with headlight and one without, and a Scott and Fetzer Sanitation System. This person also had a non-electric Vacuette but wanted $1,000.00 for it. I didn't buy it! I did get a complete set of Model C attachments though. I traded the Model C without headlight to another collector for a Hoover that I wanted.

The Scott and Fetzer machine had an ugly faded bag; however, several years ago, while visiting Tom Gasko, Father Bruce Cinquegrani, and one one of my high-school classmates in St. Louis, Tom took us over to Stan Kann's. Stan was kind enough to give me a black Kirby bag in excellent condition that I put on the Scott-Fetzer when I got home. My classmate, who knows little about vacuum cleaners, was quite fascinated with Stan's collection and his big Hoover 972.

I also have a Lincoln straight suction vacuum cleaner, which I bought with a group of others several years ago from Tom Gasko. The Packard pictured on ebay looks like the Lincoln, except for the bag. Did P. A. Geier make the Packard, just as it did the Lincoln?

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 19:56:48 (MDT)



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To Charlie Watrous:

Your Princess (red and white) model was made first in 1981 and sold until 1988 (when the Princess II was launched). It has a rather underpowered motor compared to other Filter Queen models of that same era. However, it's still a nice cleaner. Did you get the red bare floor with it? If you did, that means it was made after 1986. Before 1986, the machine did not come with a floor tool, and you would have had to purchase a floor tool separate and also the curved wand adapter to be able to use it with the straight wand for the power nozzle.

tom gasko
festus, MO USA - Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 09:08:23 (MDT)



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Further to President Watrous' remarks, I too think it's a particular tragedy when Club members, or even just fellow collectors, take advantage of one another. It's bad enough to get plowed by a total stranger; it's even worse when it's someone you know and trust.

I am still recovering, emotionally, from a horrible experience I had about five years ago with a collector who found my site and contacted me, chatted me up and got all friendly, then just when trust - or lack thereof - was not even an issue because we had become such close friends -- I THOUGHT --, she moved in for the kill and swindled me to the tune of about a thousand bucks.

I was out-of-pocket for some dozen rare miniature collectibles (banks, salt/peppers, etc etc), a whole stack of literature, and about a half-dozen vintage machines all of them in near-mint condition. The shipping cost alone for all this stuff was about $300 ........... live and learn.

Charlie Lester
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Now HERE's a Kirby Worth Bidding Big Bucks On:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2544921794

That's a VERY rare Kirby, a 1935 model C, the first machine made by that company to actually be called the "KIRBY."

As far as I can tell from the tiny photo, it is in all-original condition including the VERY RARE original bag with the solid-gold logo ... wow. I have never seen a Kirby this old, in this beautiful and original condition.

I have several Kirbys of that general vintage, including two even rarer models, Models R and 2R, with on-off switches in the handle. One has the same original bag as the one in this listing but nowhere as nice, and the other one has a 505-type bag which is probably a replacement.

The Packard is rather an odd bird, also, and another machine you don't come across very often. But the real prize here is definitely the Kirby as far as I am concerned!!

I may just have to hock the farm.......

Charlie Lester
USA - Friday, July 18, 2003 at 23:24:00 (MDT)



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VCCC Members:

Can anyone tell me anything about a red and white Princess made by Health-Mor? I received one today from a friend and it was complete with the small head power nozzle. I have never seen one before and it seems to be a nice Filter Queen in lesser drag---which the Princess line was. Anyone know date manufactured or any other info?

Thanks and hope you all have a terrific weekend.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Friday, July 18, 2003 at 18:13:22 (MDT)



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I have gotten some rather interesting, and in a couple of cases, unnecessarily rude and blunt, emails about my posting about compulsive shoppers on eBay.

So, I would like to TRY to clear up some of my remarks and explain, if I can possibly do so, WHY this is a concern to me.

First off, to those who "threw in my face" the fact that I am an "ebay dealer who has sold many vintage vacuums on ebay," the fact is that yes, while I have occasionally listed old machines on eBay, I am not a dealer or in fact even sell ANYTHING on eBay regularly, let alone vacuum cleaners of ANY kind, let alone vintage machines.

As a matter of fact, the vast majority of my eBay auctions -- all, what, 175 or so of them? -- have been for things other than vacuum cleaners. Roughly 175 sales (*) in, what, 6 years or so hardly makes me a power seller.

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(* My current total feedback is about 330 - at a rough estimate, I'd say that my sales and buys have been about 50/50 which would mean approximately 175 sales TOTAL, at the very most.)

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Over the fairly long time I have been on eBay, I have sold, maybe, 5 or 6 VINTAGE vacuum cleaners. And of those, only two went up to amounts that I would consider "more than I would pay." And in both of those cases, there was good reason -- both machines were quite rare, very old, and in nearly mint condition ---- as the purchasers would readily attest to.

So, in those cases, I'd say the final bids were justified because the machines were of a rarity and in a condition that did have some bearing on their final bids.

I have not sold any old Kirbys, and I have not myself bought Kirby after Kirby after Kirby, paying hundreds of dollars for each one when in most of those cases the machines were only in average condition.

Let's face it -- Kirbys are a dime a dozen. You can still walk into any vac shop and find rebuilt 500s and Sanitronics for sale --- not as "vintage machines" or "antiques" but as domestic vacuum cleaners being sold for everyday use. (And they're not going for $400-500, but for, like, $179...) They are all over the place. There's nothing at all rare or particularly valuable about them.

So it really puzzles me why certain people are placing these ridiculously high bids on them when they show up on eBay -- these people are either shilling the auctions, or are just plain nuts, or else are compulsive shoppers who have no self control. Because it really makes no good sense at all.

It's not the buying of an old vacuum cleaner PER SE that had puzzled me and prompted me to post my comments, it was the compulsive buying and excessive bidding for stuff that is not the least bit rare!

--oOo--

While some may consider my concern about this as being "nosey," I do believe I have the RIGHT to be concerned when I see what these disproportionate and totally ludicrous prices are doing to the perceived value of old sweepers.

Nowadays, with any old cootie-infested piece of crap someone finds, they squeal with delight about its rare vintage property and list it as if it's a lost treasure from King Solomon's Temple.

A good case in point --- some vac shop owner has listed a cruddy old purple Airway 55. Machine only, no attachments---- paint peeling, rusty bottom, lord only knows what's inside it or whether or not it even runs -- his "modest reserve," in his words is $55, "but I am sure it is worth much more than that" he says. Right.

Time was, when vac shop owners found old machines like this, or took them in as trade on sucker deals (giving the customer $10 for the machine then adding $30 to the "suggested retail price"), they'd cut off the cord and throw the machine into the huge mountain of old machines in their back room with the intention of eventually selling the stuff off as scrap.

But now, ohhhhhh my! That's not a crappy old machine! It's a priceless vintage artifact of days gone by! Now even you can own a priceless piece of history!!

But you can't really blame them -- it's just human nature. It's natural to hop on a bandwagon when it looks like there's a good deal going down. So who do you blame? Maybe the people who are determined to get certain old machines, regardless of condition or true value, AT ANY PRICE.

This kind of unreasonable, irrational trading hurts all of us in the long run. And THAT was my point. What other people do on eBay IS my business -- is VERY MUCH business -- when it affects ME.

And btw, speaking of selling "old" vacuums, I currently have a Filter Queen Princess II running. Current bid, after almost three days: $5.50. If I am lucky, the final bid might be 10x that, but I doubt it. Unless a couple of "Filter Queen Queens" get caught up in a bidding war. Then I might get 100x that and yes, I'll scream for joy! Hallelujah!!

Charlie Lester
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Does anyone happen to know who ebay users "s-earth" and "oren69" are? Are they "legitimate" collectors and/or members of the Vacuum Cleaner Collectors Club?

Reason I ask is, I had bookmarked a Kirby model 518 that I was fairly interested in because it was in nice shape, not perfect, but nice, and had the original bag.

Well, when I wandered in this afternoon to place a bid on it, I was amazed to see that it had already closed ---- at almost 80 bucks, which is quite a bit more than the average 500-series Kirby goes for.

So, my curiosity piqued, I looked at the bidding history for it. The highest bidders were the aforementioned ebay patrons and someone else named "HooverMe." (Cute.) I looked a little further and discovered two things to my utter astonishment:

1 -- The same two people -- "s-earth" and "oren69" -- have bid on easily a dozen of the same auctions, often being the last two bidders and in some cases jacking the final bid way up but not high enough to win the bid.

2 -- Something like 10-12 old Kirbys have, in the past month or so, closed at mind-boggling amounts, ranging from about $350 for a torn-up old model C to --- amazingly, a non-electric Vacuette that closed for over SEVEN HUNDRED dollars!! And again, all these "high-dollar" Kirbys have had big bids placed by the subject ebay users.

So, either there is some evildoing afoot at eBay with shill bidders pumping up the biddings --- certainly would not be the first time we have seen this even within our little community --- or there are a couple of collectors out there who are utterly infatuated -- to an alarming degree (even in terms of your average garden-variety sweeper nut!) with old Kirbys, and who seem to have more money than good sense.

If you take even a cursory look thru their feedback record, you will be astonished to see the kinds of money these ebay users have been spending on Kirbys, especially considering the "ratty" condition of some of them. Especially the "oren69" character. S/he has spent nearly two thousand bucks in about a month!!

Any way you look at it, there's something odd about this. Where, all of a sudden, would all this "interest" in old Kirbys, in particular, spring up --- when many other beautiful old machines are going for next to nothing. E.g.,, a faaaaaaaaaabulous early 1940s Kenmore upright, that was clearly designed by one of the "big" industrial designers due to its classy aesthetics, went for something unbelievable like $29!! Once again I am kicking myself for not bidding on something that I was SURE was going to go through the roof.

This would, ordinarily, be of no concern to other people --- generally we should mind our own business about what people pay on eBay. But the problem with this kind of insane bidding on old sweepers is that it is creating the appearance of a market for them that in reality does not exist, and their presumed value is getting HIGHLY over-inflated.

Various collectors have discussed this many times in the past and I have found myself on both sides of the issue. But, clearly, I think we can all agree that bidding -- for example -- almost $800 for an old Vacuette that is only in moderately good condition (the brush roll appeared to be completely bald) is unwise, unguided, is probably the product of greed or obsession, and does ALL of us a disservice who would like to continue paying reasonable prices for old machines.

I have mentioned before, and will mention again, how the tenor of queries to my site about old sweepers has changed.

When my first web site went up almost 10 years ago (gee, has it really been that long?1), invariably, the question people would write to me would be along the line of, "I found Great-Aunt Fannie's old sweeper in the attic. I'd hate to just throw it out. Would you like to have it?"

And occasionally, "I found Great-Aunt Fannie's old sweeper in the attic. I doubt it's worth anything but thought I'd check before I gave it to Goodwill."

NOW, nearly every query I get is more like, "I found Great-Aunt Fannie's vintage / rare / antique / one-of-a-kind mint-condition sweeper in the attic. How much is this prized, rare collectible vacuum cleaner worth?"

"What a world, what a world....."

Charlie Lester
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I agree the Modern Hygiene is a "BIG" canister. However, it's not really tremendously heavy -- certainly not as heavy as the 37-lb. Electrolux model LX which should have been called the Hernia special! Despite its large size, it's really to me one of the most beautiful 1940s tank cleaners. It is prescient of the coming "Atomic Age" and "Populuxe" designs that blasted into the scene in the 1950s with its very futuristic and avant garde appearance; yet still maintains a sort of "quiet dignity" that clearly reveals its vintage as being pre 1950s. I have one with all the attachments. I need to buff it up but just haven't had time. It's one of my favorite non-Electrolux tanks. Picked it up from a want-ad in the "Recycler" (buy/sell newspaper) for $12 bucks in 1991!

Charlie Lester
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Hi Tom, I am glad that you liked the picture. I thought that it was a really good one of you too. It was great to see you again as well. Terry

Terry Lattz
Danville, il USA - Thursday, July 17, 2003 at 21:05:26 (MDT)



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To Charlie Lester:

On Brook Stevens;

I wonder what type of person he was? The Modern Hygiene was HUGE, and didn't need to be. Granted, it's a gorgeous cleaner, in that special burgundy color. But, My Lord, a housewife of 1947 would have trouble cleaning with it, even if she WAS a body builder with Arnold's arms. The fact that Royal would build something so LARGE for the houswife is kind of amazing. Perhaps they were not thinking of it "in use" but perhaps they were just thinking about the presentation of it. Because of the enormity of the machine, it did look powerful (which in fact, it was NOT). And they were selling them door to door, so perhaps that's part of the reason for it's awesome size. Charlie Watrous traded me a Modern Hygiene for a Premier Duplex. I always thought of the Modern Hygiene as a Royal Pony on Viagra. (ha ha ha).

To Terry L.:

Thank you SOOOOO much for the picture you sent from the convention. I had such a great time, and it was wonderful to visit with you. Dave sends his regards. He had never seen me in that particular shirt before and commented that it looked like I had lost weight. Yah, right.

Gained is more right word. But who cares? They'll never ask me to pose for Playgirl so.....

Once again, thanks for the kind note and the great photo to remember the convention by.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Wednesday, July 16, 2003 at 15:18:53 (MDT)



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Charlie L.:

After your post here and e-mail about Brook Stevens, I took a look at my Modern Hygiene in front of the TV in my living room and agree that it is a sleek machine. It is interesting to know who designed it. Thanks for sharing this information.

On a light note, when I got home this afternoon after my part-time work this morning, I checked my telephone answering machine. Lo and behold, the first message was from a Mrs. Zimmerman with Home Health, who asked me not to worry that she would be here in a few minutes to give me my bath! Since I'm 66, I wonder if this isn't a sign of things soon to come!

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Tuesday, July 15, 2003 at 21:54:52 (MDT)



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Marty,

I received the photo's yesterday. Thanks you very much. God, I almost forgot how many and which vacuum cleaner, I drove in the competition for their owners.

Charlie Watrous,

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! For the beautiful 63 complete with attachments. I think it is one of the prettiest I've seen yet.

I decided not to put it in the basement just yet. I have left a note for my cleaning lady that there is an old vacuum in her cleaning closet that I'm restoring for a friend and that I hope it's not in her way for a few weeks. I figure by then I will have played with it for a few weeks and will then think of putting it away.

I will however take you up on your offer, and buy from you a good set of brush strips.

To All:

In addition to the brush strips I'm looking for an original cord for my 63, with the Hoover plug still attached and still pretty subtle.

I would gladly pay anyone who may have one that is from a parts only machine and send them the authentic Hoover replacement cord, from my machine.

Best Wishes

Michael

Michael
New York, NY USA - Tuesday, July 15, 2003 at 10:36:12 (MDT)



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Dear Charlie L,

I understand completely of why you would like to keep this forum clutter free from people (and I use the word people, loosely) that had nothing but negative comments and even filthy content that posted on the former Vac Forum. BUT, as long as you are saying that you monitor this forum regularly, I still maintain that it would be nice to share our forum with people who share the same passion for vacuum cleaner's but don't necessarily care to join the club. I also liked the fact that regular vac users found the forum to ask advice and service questions about their vacuum cleaner.

I know we will never be rid of the crud that will attempt to post here, but if you are monitoring for any negitive or not worthy of our forum then they will eventually get the hint and stop trying.

This forum is in deed free of that element but it's also running very lean with posters. We are a very small group of people respectively.

I still would like to propose to Charlie Watrous, as well as the rest of the club members to consider opening this (our) forum to the public.

We should share the wealth.

Best Wishes

Michael
New York, NY USA - Tuesday, July 15, 2003 at 10:27:03 (MDT)



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Michael (LaB) ---

We DID have this forum open to the public when it first went live. On the VERY FIRST DAY, it was invaded by a troublemaker who started stirring up a lot of s#!t ----- right out of the gate.

When I emailed him and asked him to decline from posting because his postings were not within the spirit of this forum, he threatened to "sue me" and said he would "bring the VCCC forum down."

It was clear that he was not going to behave himself, nor would others like him who have no interest in mind other than disruptions and wreaking havoc everywhere they go. So, the Board & President, with my complete agreement, decided to close this Forum to anyone who is not a current dues-paid member.

Furthermore, this is a MODERATED forum --- all postings are monitored on at least a daily basis for content: We WILL act quickly to remove any postings -- even by members -- who come in and try to "disturb the peace." And, if it comes to that extreme, we will exclude members who start causing trouble.

While we appreciate your offer to moderate the forum and keep naughty posts at bay, there is no way we can do so without compromising the security of the site. There is only one administrative password and that must be held to as few people as possible.

While, no, this is not Fort Knox or some clearinghouse for "Above Top Secret" information, it IS a quiet and peaceful harbor in a very noisy and tumultuous storm of pettiness, B.S. and garbage slinging on all the open forums. And we who enjoy this "kinder, gentler" pace would like it to stay that way.

Sorry if this may seem unfair, elitist, or draconian, but it has to be this way if this Forum is to remain viable and active. All you have to do is look at the other forums that have come and gone, and even to the ones that are still active but that are littered with a lot of childish, asinine content. (Does anyone even bother to patronize the ivacuums forum? It is so cluttered up with garbage that you can barely find one relevant post in a dozen! )

Because what happens is, one jerk-wad comes along and instigates trouble --- then, instead of just IGNORING him, as other people should, but some just can't resist putting their 2¢ in -- they take the bait ---- precisely what the trouble-maker wants --- and they start posting back and attacking the attacker. So, before you know it, there's another big war going on. This just went on, and on, and on, in the "Vac Forum" before Dave Evans, apparently, finally got fed up and just pulled the plug for good. And who can blame him??

This forum is not going to become another notch in some rabblerouserƠs belt. To that end, it will remain a private forum as long as I and the current President and Board have a say on the matter.

And let me please take this opportunity to post just another little reminder that if anyone asks anyone in the club for your username and password, claiming to have "lost" or "forgotten" theirs --- DO NOT DO SO!!! Instead, refer such requests to me, President Watrous, or Treasurer Olsen. Your username and password are the only things standing at the vanguard, to keep this forum as decorous and peaceful as it has been ever since it went private.

THANK YOU.

Charlie Lester
USA - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 22:27:21 (MDT)



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Brook Stevens was a noted industrial designer in the early part of the century, doing most of his work in the 1930s and '40s. Among other things he was the designer of the sleek Moden Hygiene canister vacuum cleaner.

He also designed at least one electric iron for the Hoover company.

I just found out that there's a tribute to Stevens currently running at the Milwaukee Art Museum --- too bad no one knew about it before; this would have made a great pilgrimage destination for the club meeting!

Anyway, here is the poop on it --- I hope someone in the area will see the exhibit and let me know if there is a Modern Hygiene - or any other vacuum cleaner -- on display. Since Tanya does not have direct access to email, could someone out in her neck of the woods let her know about this? Thanks!

"Industrial Strength Design:

How Brooks Stevens Shaped Your World"

Milwaukee Art Museum

750 N. Lincoln Memorial Dr.

Milwaukee, WI. 53202

Phone: 414-224-3200

Jun 07 to Sep 07 2003

Charlie Lester
USA - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 21:50:13 (MDT)



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To Marty Rocha:

I received the pictures you sent me in the mail today. They are great! I also enjoyed seeing you again and I hope to see you next year in Chicago.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 14:49:49 (MDT)



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Tom,

You are right on. I loved being able to meet even more people from the club that were not necessarily in Kentucky last year. It's always nice to have a face with a name or voice.

It really is to bad that we can't open this site up to all. I have proposed to Charlie Watrous, who intern will propose to Charlie Lester that we do in deed open this forum to all like many other clubs and forums where the entries have to be screened before making their way to the public. That way when someone gets on his high horse he can easily be rejected.

I think that if we can invite all to join our discussions we would end up with the same wholesome type conversations we used to all enjoy on the Vac Forum.

I have offered my services to monitor the posts several times a day should the functionality be possible and the club votes on it.

Best Wishes

Michael

Michael
New York, NY USA - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 10:49:15 (MDT)



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Tom:

Thank you so much for finding me an original bag for my Hoover. I really appreciate it.

I'll let you know when I get it.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 09:53:48 (MDT)



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To Michael LaBue:

Isn't it nice to be able to come to a vacuum forum that's populated with folks who actually get along with and respect each other?

The ivacuumcleaners.com forum was invaded by troublemakers a while ago and it's never been the same since. Can you imagine if one of them got in here? Heaven help us!

I have noticed something, tell me if I'm wrong or not. When folks write on a forum, you don't really get to 'know' them through their words because you can't see them, see their expressions, or see them as they talk. I can only imagine, if someone read my words only, what they would think of me. Yet when people meet me in person, who have read my words on a forum first, they always mention that the written word doesn't do my personality justice.

Once everyone meets each other at the conventions, we have a mental picture of that person, and it's far easier to read their words and put their personality together with the written word.

I for one cannot WAIT for next year. Chicago seemed like a great city as I passed through it on my way to Milwaukee. I'm sure Jeff Parker will display his awesome Hoover collection (at least im part) which should be a real treat for all club members to view. I'm looking forward to visiting again with everyone, and can't believe it's going to be a whole year before we all see each other again.

To Charlie W.:

My email addresses are really two. At work, I use dysonman1@hotmail.com and at home I use vacuums106@webtv.net

Either will reach me.

Frank Morgan's email is gfrmorg@altell.net

I'm going to drag our Alabama fireman/trucker to the next meeting if I have to go to Ashville and collect him myself. It just wasn't the same without him or his Southern charm (don't you just love to hear Frank talk with that accent?)

To Evan Rogers:

I finally got your Hoover 700 bag together to send you. Your mother will have to sew up one little hole though, but it's original and in great shape. They all (Hoover bags that it) seem to get a small hole on the underside where they attach to the cleaner. But I'm sure your mom will be a good sport and do a few minutes worth of mending on it for you. The Orange-lettered words "The Hoover" are most important to have to make your machine really original. I'm so happy YOU of all people got the 700 as your first "really old" upright. It's like getting a vintage Mustang 302 as your first car. I promise I'll put the bag in the mail to you this week.

Tom Gasko

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 08:36:18 (MDT)



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I have been asked if members can post their own photos from the Club meeting (or etc.) to the VCCC site.

Unfortunately, no, there is no way to allow people to do that without giving them full access to the site -- which could mean a major security risk. Our site is nowhere nearly as sophisticated as Yahoo where people can post stuff in personal albums etc.

If you want to post your own pix, there are a bunch of free photo hosting services out there --- I know that Scott Onasch uses one, you might check with him on the particulars. And of course there IS Yahoo--

So Sorrrrry.... :(

Charlie Lester
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Marty Rocha,

If no one answers you here, email R.J. Vanik for that info. I do know to remove the pulley end, you turn it clockwise like you are tightening it. I have used screwdrivers and vice grips. Just don't bend it or damage any threads! I learned the hard way.

Michael, I am considering another two year stint. I've learned how to delegate quite well and let comments I don't like run off my back like water on duck. My favorite is still, "The club lacks direction right now..." It makes me laugh as I sit here! The only problem may be with Mr. Blackstone. You can work on him!

Have a great weekend all.

Charlie Watrous
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PS - I was not insinuating that Charlie, was a shoe-in for a second term, only indicating that I hope he'll run for a second term.

Just wanted to clear that up.

Michael
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Marty & Ron,

Thank you very much for your kindness in sending me those photo's. There were in deed many photo-ops that wonderful weekend.

I think next year in Chicago is going to be even better.

I'm going to be Charlie Watrous's worst nightmare this coming year, in-that I'm going to nag him to death until he commits to a second term.

Best Wishes

Michael

Michael
New York, NY USA - Friday, July 11, 2003 at 08:50:22 (MDT)



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HOOVER PIXIE HAND VAC ON EBAY:

A nice Hoover Pixie Model 2800 hand vac with attachments is currently on ebay. It is brown and yellow. I think the current bid is $29.99.

EUREKA HAND VAC MODEL 150:

Seeing a Eureka Model 150 hand vac on ebay tonight reminded me that I have one. Can one of you tell me how old this vac is? My guess is that it is from the late '50's or early '60s.

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Thursday, July 10, 2003 at 20:41:55 (MDT)



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HELP ME SOMEONE

I'm trying to remove the pulley that holds the fan in place on a Hoover 300 that i bought at the convention. The part where the belt goes is broken and i want to replace it with a good one i have from another 300 i own. I'm taking the best parts of both and making one good vacuum. The problem is i can't get the broken pulley off. Do I hold the fan in place and turn the pulley clockwise or counter clockwise and what tool do i use. I know these are stupid questions but i've never really looked under the hood so to speak. I leave that to the professionals LOL!! But i want to learn. Some of my vacuums may look great but they sound harsh!!! any help would be appreciated! Marty

Mike LaBue

I have some pictures for you. They are going into the mail in the morning. Just trying to find everyone's addresses. Included are some pictures of that great little Singer hand vac! Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Thursday, July 10, 2003 at 19:51:19 (MDT)



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Hey Gang,

I'd just like to remind the few people that had taken digital pix during the convention that I would love to see a few. Doe Doe Bird me left my camera on my kitchen table as I walked out the door to catch my flight from LaGuardia.

Tom,

I've been hearing from Charlie, that his little troublemaker has actually gotten worse over the last several months. It's a shame that such a smart kid is just a warped twisted little child. I was going to ask you for the IVac forum address, but I'm not going to do that. I don't want to see, read or hear the posts becsause they are too upsetting for me to read on the Vac Forum.

Michael
New York, NY USA - Thursday, July 10, 2003 at 11:05:37 (MDT)



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Evan,

I will resend the email to you. I have had LOTS of problems with your email address in the past. Most club messages have come back as a "bad address".

On another note, your mother is WONDERFUL! No wonder you are such a great young man. I can not say enough good things about her and her gentleman caller. I'm so glad she was able to attend and she saw you in your element. Bring her anytime!

Best wishes.

Charlie W.
Charlotte, NC USA - Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 18:22:35 (MDT)



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Hi, hope everyone had a nice holiday weekend. I am reposting the address to my convention album here, as I have added a few pictures at the end, which Marty sent to me and I scanned. 3 of them are some pictures of Fred's collection, which I know some did not get to see. He has a really cool setup and to see his collection was really a treat. I hope those who were not able to might have a chance next year. The pictures don't do justice to the "big picture" but you get to see some of his machines.

http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=2324054&uid=814581&members=1

Also, the address below contains just a few snaps I took this past weekend whilst visiting Roger LeQuea and Michael Thomas in Arizona for a "mini-meet." You will read more about this later in the newsletter; it was a very exciting weekend for me! We had a blast and it was wonderful seeing them as always.

http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=1466424&uid=814581&members=1

Scott Onasch
Minneapolis, MN USA - Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 00:20:34 (MDT)



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Hi Everyone,

Just wanted to say a quick thanks to Charlie and Steve Keisler for helping me access this forum. Thanks also to everyone I met in Milwaukee, it was really a great time. Myself, Jason, and Jack are looking forward to everyone coming to Chicago in 2004.

Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Tuesday, July 08, 2003 at 21:47:04 (MDT)



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Charlie,

I don't believe that I received an e-mail from you, and my name is not on the list of people with invalid e-mail addresses.

If you can try again to send it, that would be great. My address is R3beeze@aol.com, it may not have been corrected in the roster yet. If it hasn't, my address is R3beeze@aol.com

Thank you

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Tuesday, July 08, 2003 at 19:21:34 (MDT)



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charlie, my address is the same and seem to have no problem getting mail its still buickfins59_1999@yahoo.com

or roadmaster39@hotmail.com

look forward to hearing from some of u

ron

ron jones
rockingham, nc USA - Tuesday, July 08, 2003 at 18:36:04 (MDT)



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Gang:

As most of you know, I sent an email to the membership yesterday. The following email addresses for these members are not good. If you are reading this and can send me the correct address it would be great.

Stanley Aultman, of Lafayette, LA

Kenneth Broz of Walnut Creek, CA

Gerard Cina of Switzerland

Jim Cowardin of Startup, WA

Glenn Dienst of Albuquerque, NM

Morgan Frazer of Benton, WI

Tim Fuller of Edinboro, PA

Logan Hall of Roanoke, VA

Kenneth Johnson of Great Falls, MT

Ron Jones of Rockingham, NC

Tom Gasko of Festus, MO

Frank Morgan of Ashville, AL

Don O'Connor of Youngstown, OH

Brett Schiewe of Portland, OR

If any of you know these folks fairly well, would you please have them contact me with the correct email so they will receive updates.

Thank you!

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Tuesday, July 08, 2003 at 16:59:39 (MDT)



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Bernie,

You may want to email Fred directly at Derf82@aol.com and see if he has some good photos. I seem to remember that he does. Hope this helps.

Charlie W.
Charlotte, BC USA - Tuesday, July 08, 2003 at 08:25:43 (MDT)



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Train travel to Chicago:

Even Amtrak would have excellent schedules from many parts of the country to Chicago for those who enjoy train travel (I do). In my case, if I were to leave Topeka, KS, about 4:00 a.m. on the "Southwest Chief," I'd arrive at Chicago Dearborn station about 2:00 p.m. the same day. The "Southwest Chief" operates from Chicago to Los Angeles and is the former Santa Fe "Super Chief."

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 21:03:05 (MDT)



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A request for a piece of information ~

I would like to drop a note to David, the Oreck salesman/repairman who let us invade his shop in Milwaukee (for which we voted to grant him a complimentary membership) ~ but I can't remember his last name and I can't find an e/mail address for. Can anyone help me out??

Looking for a good time? Just drop by Mike Rogers' shop (the Henry Company) in Highland, Indiana ~ what a treasure trove of beautiful vintage sweepers he keeps there (and even more at the warehouse!) along with ads and instruction manuals and spare parts like you wouldn't believe. And he's such a gracious host! (Ask him to give you his demo on the difference between suction and air flow ....)

Near the end of July I'll be visiting with John Young near Louisville, Kentucky. I'm buying a couple of machines from him.

Now that the details of next year's convention have been announced, I'm excited already about attending!

Mid-summer greetings to everyone!

B.C.

Brother Chris Lambert
St. Louis, MO USA - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 20:28:34 (MDT)



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Members:

In addtion to this post, an email will also be sent to all members via computer.

The Board and I have selected the site for the 2004 VCCC convention.

It is...........(drum roll)......The Windy City of Chicago! Why? And what happened to Charlotte?

Several things. Here are the important ones:

Centrally located

Inexpensive airline service on major and cheapie airlines to O'Hare and Midway

Several members reside in the area. ie: Fred Nelson, Steve Keisler, Jeff Parker and fairly nearby, Ken Wagman and Mike Rogers

Lots of hotels to pick from

Driveable for many of the east coast people

I have determined that a total east coast or west coast convention does not have the potential of drawing as big a group as mid-continent. Plus, I don't think it is completely fair to ask the west coast crowd to come all the way east and vice-versa.

With that thought in mind, St. Louis is a good probability for 2005. It will be up to your next President and Board.

Date? MARK IT ON YOUR CALENDAR NOW!! You would not believe the number of people contacting me in May and June for the date! Talk about poor planning, Oy Vey! JUNE 17th--20th.

IT WILL ALWAYS BE THE 3RD WEEKEND OF EVERY JUNE UNLESS THE CLUB VOTES TO CHANGE. Now you can mark your calendars for the next 10 years!

The countdown to VCCC Chicago 2004 has now begun.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 13:47:25 (MDT)



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Hi all,

Would anyone have photos of Fred Stachnicks collection? We wanted and intended to visit Fred's but got deterred in the process. Fred was gracious enough to loan me a headlight lens to display my one-eyed Kenmore while in Milwaukee. Thanks again Fred for your thoughtfulness and also for setting me straight on the Hoover 300/150 bags.

--Bernie

Bernie Mehlbaum
Harrisburg, PA USA - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 11:32:29 (MDT)



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Tom,

John Ziegenhagen has been trying to email you and has had some problems. Would you, at your convenience email him at ziegenja@yahoo.com

Thanks!

For newsletter pictures,

Louis Rescigno's mailing address is:

167 Old Toll Road

Madison, CT 06443

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 10:45:54 (MDT)



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Members:

Any pictures that may be used for NEWSLETTER purposes, please send to Louis Rescigno on a CD or floppy if possible. Yes, I am still the newsletter editor but at last count, Louis is going to be doing the formatting and sending me a hard copy for approval. Stories and text related material should also be sent to him. Pictures I get that may be used will also be sent to him.

Plan on the next newsletter in September in black and white.

Charlie Lester has informed me that there has been suspicious activity with our website but it is too secure for any problems. DO NOT GIVE OUT USER CODES OR PASSWORDS!!

Charlie also has received vague inqueries about lost user codes and passwords. I think we know who from.

Rest asssured that I have enough on my plate without letting any malcontents, (other than those we already have!), join or post.

Stay vigilent folks!

Charlie W.
Charlotte, NC USA - Monday, July 07, 2003 at 10:41:35 (MDT)



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Just wondering ... does anyone know who the current owner of the "Vac Forum" (Dave Evans' old forum) is? Or what the future plans are for it, if any?

I have heard various things about purported purchases of the Forum and just wonder what really is the case.

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In other news, those who have photos to submit for publication on the web site should send them to me (via mailed CD or emailed as long as the total email does not exceed 5mb, my server's limit) --- stuff for the newsletter should go to Charlie Watrous who is, at least for the time being, the newsletter publisher.

Charlie Lester
USA - Sunday, July 06, 2003 at 23:39:54 (MDT)



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P. S. to Chuck Chatham:

Please accept my apologies for misspelling your last name in the post below. I really hadn't been drinking!

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Saturday, July 05, 2003 at 16:20:40 (MDT)



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Chuck Chatman:

You are one very thoughtful guy! Thanks so much for the pictures from the convention that you sent me and that arrived today.

I had heard about the clever vacuum cleaner centerpieces and really enjoyed seeing Mark Tomey holding one.

Since I haven't met some of the people who have joined the club in the last several years, I am now able to identify Mark Tomey, Evan Rogers, Fred Nelson, Steve Keisler, and Brother Chris. Although I haven't met Michael LaBue and Marc Turbyfill, I have seen their pictures before and have talked by phone with Marc and heard Michael LaBue's voice on his answering machine!

Chuck, I got a good laugh about the picture on the front of the card you sent, with the quotation from Mae West. I'm old enough to remember Mae West. I wonder what vacuum cleaner she used. I believe Phyllis Diller had a Kirby Model 505. I wondered if Charlie Watrous wasn't one of the waiters in tails in the picture.

Tom G., you mentioned that Brother Chris reminded you of me. I did a double take when I saw his picture, although he's certainly trimmer than I am.

Chuck, I may need to ask for your counsel and expertise related to a celebration I'm planning for June 16, 2004, in a town just west of

Topeka called St. Marys. My mother and five or so others arrived by orphan train from the New York Foundling Hospital 100 years ago that day.The orphan trains ran from New York to the Midwest, South, and some parts of the West from 1854-1929 with children who were placed mainly with farm families in rural communities. Since Mother was baptised Catholic at the orphanage she came from, she was placed with a Volga German Catholic family; however, as a number of you know, Mother was really Jewish. Although her adopted name was Seitz, her birth name was Levi. Charlie, you and Mother would really have hit it off. And, as a number of you know, she hated Kirby vacuum cleaners. She said they were too heavy and tipped when she used them.

Well, I've certainly rambled enough. Shut up already, Jimmy.

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Saturday, July 05, 2003 at 12:32:57 (MDT)



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To John Z.:

I have a Coronado tank cleaner that is really a Kingston. It's kind of a tan/brown color and is really a nice machine. Kingston private labeled for several stores, and also private labeled their round canister as the Universal.

As far as getting hose and bags and tools for your Air-Way 66 (made 1949 - 1955), that should be NO problem. There were quite a few model 66 tools at the last convention. If you don't mind a vinyl hose, the old cloth hose from any model canister Air-Way can be cut off and the metal ends placed on a new (or used) vinyl hose. The vinyl hose will probably give better suction than the original. The original was burgundy in color (I know - the machine is blue - but they used a burgundy hose with blue tracer - don't ask me why :0) If you need help with obtaining these things and don't want to wait until next year's meeting, let me know. You can feel free to write me at my email address (as can ALL club members) as I have a ton of duplicate parts I've saved for just such an occasion.

To Charlie W.:

Why some people can't just enjoy the vacuum hobbie and see the club as a GOOD and WONDERFUL thing, I'll never know.

To tell you the truth, I've NEVER felt closer to any group of people in my life than my friends in the VCCC. There's not one person in this club that I do not like or respect.

Tania, Ken, and Mark T. came to visit me just a few days ago, and I almost cried when they had to leave. I work with vacuums everyday and It does get boring for me after a while. After a convention, I go home with renewed interest in my job and I can honestly say that I LOVE my friends in this club. My only regret is that we can't get everyone together more often than once a year, but I understand jobs, schedules, etc.

On a side note to Chuck C:

I have displayed "Miss Bissell" (the table centerpiece I bid on and won at the meeting) right on the front counter. I've received so much attention and tons of compliments on the creativity that went into your artwork. You are a gifted person and your talent is definately appreciated by me (and everyone else). You are awesome.

Fred S.:

I'm glad you got your V2 working again. I went to our local Sears store (it used to be a catalog store) and bought 16 Hoover V2's that had been sold by them and returned with failed brushes. I got them for $5 each, not one being over three months old. Mike Rogers told me there is a new 'fix' for the brush roller gear problems, so I will be calling on you in the near future for advice. Thanks for being such a good friend and I think your collection is BEAUTIFUL. Wish mine was as nicely displayed as yours.

TO THE WHOLE CLUB: I visited with Stan Kann this past week and he really misses seeing everyone. He has expressed a tremendous desire to host another meeting in the future. He told me that he felt 'high' for days after our last convention at his home. He wanted me to tell you all that he welcomes all visitors from the club to visit and view his collection at any time (give him a few days notice first, though, his schedule is kind of busy).

Tom G.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Friday, July 04, 2003 at 07:46:11 (MDT)



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To Fred Stachnik:

I'd like to add a "P.S." to your note about the Hoover Windtunnel V2 ~

I'm in Chicago for the 4th of July and yesterday I visited Mike Rogers at his shop in Highland, Indiana. He and I were telling one of the other technicians the Windtunnel story ~ and in the process we received a quick tip for diagnosing the problem in the future: He said the first thing to check is that red power switch for the brush roll ~ if the small "reset" button wiggles around, the problem is not the switch but somewhere else. If the "reset" button won't move, that means the switch is "fried" and needs to be replaced. He said that he heard from Hoover that those switches have been failing a lot, and evidently they plan to start using something a bit sutrdier. That sounds like a time-saving troubleshooting tip to me!

Thanks again for sharing your fantastic collection with all of us, Fred ~ it's clear that you take a lot of pride in it! (By the way ~ Mike Rogers had a ton of print material for me enjoy inbetween our conversations since the shop was open and he was working ~ and in the stack was the USA Today article about the club with the picture of Tom Gasko that also features you!)

Hope to see you next month. Take care and enjoy the holiday weekend!

Brother Chris

Brother Chris Lambert
Saint Louis, MO USA - Friday, July 04, 2003 at 06:24:23 (MDT)



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Charlie W. Tanya V. Stan H. and Fred S.

Back to work this week now that vacation is over, wah!!! I would like to thank you for a great convention and for taking us in to your homes to show off your collections. Fred, i LOVE the basement!!! My head is swirling with ideas for my big mess, er, collection! Tanya, thank you so much shipping my Hoover 300 to me.I'm getting pictures together to send out soon. Charlie, who should i send pix for the newsletter, you or Louis,Mark or Tom? Will keep in touch! Again, thanks for a great Convention!! Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Thursday, July 03, 2003 at 22:23:18 (MDT)



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Charlie W. Tanya V. Stan H. and Fred S.

Back to work this week now that vacation is over, wah!!! I would like to thank you for a great convention and for taking us in to your homes to show off your collections. Fred, i LOVE the basement!!! My head is swirling with ideas for my big mess, er, collection! Tanya, thank you so much shipping my Hoover 300 to me.I'm getting pictures together to send out soon. Charlie, who should i send pix for the newsletter, you or Louis,Mark or Tom? Will keep in touch! Again, thanks for a great Convention!! Marty

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Thursday, July 03, 2003 at 22:23:02 (MDT)



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hey guys,

well Target has the new Dyson 399.00 could have bowled me over Also still willing to mail a copy of my convention pix to anyone that emails me

CharlieW Charlie L, Bernie,your have already been mailed

ron jones
rockingham, nc USA - Thursday, July 03, 2003 at 19:10:04 (MDT)



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Jim K-

As far as getting original replacement bags, its never going to happen. The replacement bag that we sell is kind of a tanish brown and white, and pretty blah looking. I'll note that you're looking for a 63 and 65 bag, and keep my eyes open. About replacing the zipper-- try contacting Mark Thomas in NC about that. I seem to remember that he has replaced some of his machines zippers... maybe he could give you some advice.

Take care-

Fred Stachnik
Milwaukee, WI USA - Thursday, July 03, 2003 at 14:01:36 (MDT)



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Fred S.:

Perhaps you have the last laugh after all about your Hoover V2.

Would you know where I could get an original outer bag for a Hoover Model 63 or if a zipper, which no longer works, can be replaced on one?

Also, do you know where I could get a pink bag for my Hoover Model 65?

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Wednesday, July 02, 2003 at 15:27:38 (MDT)



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John Z., Ohio:

Gambles Stores sold Coronado appliances. At one time we had a number of these stores in Kansas. A local antique store here has a Coronado mixer, probably also about the age of your tank vacuum. I have a cousin in Salina, KS, who has a Coronado deep freeze.

I believe Gambles stores were similar to Otasco, Western Auto, Firestone, etc.

Tom G., could Eureka have made his tank-tyupe vacuum?

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Wednesday, July 02, 2003 at 15:23:26 (MDT)



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P.S.

I just wanted to thank Charlie once again for putting together a fabulous convention.

I had a great time showing everyone my colletcion--I take great pride in it, and love sharing it!

I also want to thank everyone that attended! It is also the attendees that make it memorable!

Till next year-

Fred Stachnik
Milwaukee, WI USA - Wednesday, July 02, 2003 at 15:17:00 (MDT)



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Well, I know everyone that attended the convention has probably been losing sleep over my V2 Windtunnel not working...

Just thought I'd post its diagnosis:

Contrary to popular belief that it is an inferior product, the brushes and gear motor were all fine and dandy. It turns out that the little switch that lets you control the brushes (on/off/reset) went bad. So, that has been replaced and I'm back in business again.

I hope everyone will be able to get a good night's sleep now that this issue has been resolved.

Sarcastically Yours--

Fred Stachnik
Milwaukee, WI USA - Wednesday, July 02, 2003 at 15:14:10 (MDT)



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I recently received a Coronado vacuum, a tank-type probably made in the 40s to 50s. Does anyone know anything about these? I would like to get a hose and attachments for it, if possible, as well as any advertizing or information I can find.

I also got an Airway 66, which needs a hose and attachments, as well as a bag and filter. When were these made? I got these right after the convention, so my timing is off, I realize. Thanks for your help.

Jonn

John Ziegenhagen
Fairborn, OH USA - Wednesday, July 02, 2003 at 14:44:46 (MDT)



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Jim Kirby,

Gosh, I missed you being there! When will we see you at another convention? Thanks for taking care of business and please contact me if you need addtional information. Best wishes to you.

Charlie L., yes, we need to talk outside this arena re C.N. I'll plan to call you this week or soon. Hope you have a great dinner with Mark Tomey. I'm raising my glass!

Charlie W.
Charlotte, NC USA - Tuesday, July 01, 2003 at 20:39:16 (MDT)



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Charlie W.:

In completing the annual report to the Kansas Secretary of State since our club is a nonprofit corporation incorporated in Kansas, I'll show Chuck Chatham as a board member, replacing Marty Warnke. I'll also show R. J. Vanik in the new position of vice president.

I'll be sending the report within the next few days. A $40.00 fee accompanies the report.

The state no longer sends a receipt for payment; however, a copy of the articles of incorporation can be obtained after the report is in and payment made, showing the corporation is in good standing. The fee for getting a copy of the articles of incorporation after payment is $7.00.

If anyone has questions or want a copy of the articles of incorporation, please let me know.

Jim Kirby

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Tuesday, July 01, 2003 at 20:26:48 (MDT)



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Hi Tom,

Was wondering if you have any news about the new Rainbow. I know at one time you were not able to talk about it much. Any info you have would be appreciated.

Thank You

Bud Mattingly
Middletown, Oh USA - Tuesday, July 01, 2003 at 18:49:05 (MDT)



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Hi Charlie, thanks for all the updates; and congratulations on your ribbons! I am having dinner tonight with Mark Tomey, and he is bringing me a CD of pix from the convention. I will have all these phots, including the ones sent by others, on the site ASAP.

Regarding C.N., could you tell me exactly what he told you about trying to hack into the site? You can reply privately if you wish.

I ask this because our website host has noted some "attempted suspicious activity" --- I did not pursue it since whoever it was didn't get anywhere near the site, and it probably was just a run-of-the-mill "script kiddie."

But I would like to know what C.N. has been up to. I am sure he is just steaming over the fact that he can't get in here; and, yes, I do take some little bit pf pleasure in that fact....... given all the headaches and wasted time he caused me and others!

I have also gotten several very lamely disguised queries from someone using "freebie" email addresses about how they "lost" their ID for the site, and could I please provide that to them?! Like, I guess I just fell off the turnip truck...!

Just a reminder to those who do have members' ID and password info, you should NOT give that out to anyone who asks for it, without verifying that they are who they claim to be --- and that would be by providing the information in their club membership profile -- exact name and full address, email address on record, AND, most importantly, their sign-up date.

Thanks---

Charlie Lester
USA - Tuesday, July 01, 2003 at 18:27:17 (MDT)



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Charlie Lester,

The minutes from the Board meeting and the general membership meeting will be in the next newsletter.

Items you will want to know now are: undecided city for 2004, vacuum categories for 2004 will include post 1960 to 1980 for the contests and 3 other categories, (most original, most historic value, and best restored. Also, President's Choice and People's Choice). It is undecided whether the pre-WWII category will be a part of 2004, however, most likely not due to new categories and time constraints. (You can only do so much vacuuming in two days before it becomes tedious). The newsletter will soldier on with Mark Tomey, Louis Rescigno and Tom Gasko taking on the title of Newsletter Committee. I will be editor and printer. And that I need more support from members for the convention next year, we need to use this forum daily as much as possible and probably the most exciting news, RJ Vanik is now our Vice-President and Chuck Chatham replaced Marty Warnke as a board member.

Members, feel free to inform Mr. Lester of any other pertinent information that I forget. I am delighted to report I won two blue ribbons; one for my Hoover 150 and the other for my Apex 601 that now resides with Fred Nelson in a trade for a Hoover 68---a vacuum I have been searching for many years. A love these trades when they are win-win situations!

A few other things I want to share with you: Most historic went to Jeff Parker for his Hoover 50th Edition Gold Convertible 65; most original to Fred Nelson's Hoover Aerodyne, (I don't know the model number), best restored went to RJ Vanik for his Hoover 29, (the man can work miracles!); President's Choice to Jeff Parker for the same machine, (he went on to get the first time ever Triple Crown with the same vacuum as it won in it's cleaning category too!), and People's Choice went to Tania Voigt in a TIE NO LESS for TWO of her vacuums! The Air-Way 35 and 55.

The other winners will be in the newsletter with pictures and captions identifying the folks in attendance.

Hope this gives you a quickie snapshot of some the highlights.

PS--our friend, whoops, I mean fiend, who runs another forum, HAS tried to get into our forum as he self disclosed to me on another forum. Glad we are private for now.

Charlie W.
Charlotte, NC USA - Tuesday, July 01, 2003 at 15:00:50 (MDT)



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I hope someone will post some comments about the "business" portion of the meeting, so that these can be input into the Members Only information section. Plus, I'd like to know just for my own info what Club business was discussed. THANKS---

Charlie Lester
USA - Tuesday, July 01, 2003 at 00:07:20 (MDT)



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In my ongoing quest to prune my collection back to mostly just Electrolux and Kirby -- and to put a few coins in my very empty purse -- I have listed two very lovely vintage sweepers on eBay:

COMPACT 1940 MODEL "1" VACUUM CLEANER

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20615&item=2332594172

AIR-WAY SANITIZOR 88 MARK II VACUUM CLEANER

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20615&item=2332594559

I am posting notice of these listings only here in the VACCC forum -- as a "FYI" only and not to entice a lot of bidding wars. I hope these machines will go to a good and new home in the collection of a VCCC member!

If you have any questions about either of these auctions, feel free to ask me via private email.

Charlie Lester
Hollywood, CA USA - Tuesday, July 01, 2003 at 00:05:26 (MDT)


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After having seen all the beautiful Hoover 63s at the convention, I decided to get mine out and use it. Since I am anal about machines being like new, I did a little work on it. The agitator and beater bars as well as the base plate are a little rusty, but other than that, it is in really good condition. Does anyone know if replacement parts are still available for this machine? It looks like Model 91 parts will fit, but alas, Hesco doesn't carry those anymore. I can start searching for new old stock or parts from old machines around the local vac shops but thought I would ask here for any suggestions. I also want to replace the carbon brushes. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Monday, June 30, 2003 at 18:33:21 (MDT)



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Hoover goes for high price:

Hoover 825 went for $94.00 on ebay tonight.

Seller was Club Member Chad Cunningham in Overland Park, KS, a suburb of Kansas City.

I had bid on it myself, but the bidding got too high for me.

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Sunday, June 29, 2003 at 19:21:51 (MDT)



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NOW I NEED HELP IDENTIFYING A KENMORE STICK VAC!

About ten days ago I received a Kenmore stick vac from a friend who is a member of the same Lions Club I am. Because I hadn't been too active the last few years, until recently, in the club, he told me had been saving it for me for two years. It is light tan, short, and quite plain in appearance. My guess is that it is from the sixties. Can one of you, such as Tom G., tell me who probably manufactured it and its approximate vintage?

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Sunday, June 29, 2003 at 13:33:47 (MDT)



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To Jim Kirby:

That sounds great.

Did you get any bags with your Firestone? Depending upon the model, it will use type M or type L Eureka bags (no longer available), however, I do have a couple and I can give you one.

Does the hose leak any air or is it tight? Those hoses went to hell pretty fast because they still used a rubber liner. Eureka built the Air-Way 88 at the same time in history and their hoses went to hell pretty fast too.

Would love to see Brother Chris again. He was a real delight, and I had a great time riding with him on the way to the convention. I read passages from "The Fabulous Dustpan" by Frank Hoover and then preached a sermon about the passages I had just read. Kind of like in church. It was a lot of fun for me and an eye opening experience for Chris. He's reading the book now, and I am sure it will change his ideas about the early days of vacuum manufacturing in America.

Hope to see you soon.

Tom G.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Sunday, June 29, 2003 at 06:33:26 (MDT)



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Tom:

The machine has, in script, what I read to be "Vibrabeat," which too makes me believe it is a Eureka. The "Vibra" is hard to read because of the cursive writing.

I think Brother Chris would also like to get together with us if I get to St. Louis within the next few weeks. Collector Robert Azar, who lives in Omaha, also owns a home in St. Louis and gets over there from time to time. He might also like to get together with some of us.

Jim

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Saturday, June 28, 2003 at 20:12:27 (MDT)



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To Jim Kirby:

I'll bet it's a Eureka. Firestone in the 1950's was Apex machines. But when Apex went out of business in 1959, Firestone needed another supplier. Eureka supplied Firestone and Western Auto for the entire 1960's.

Tania, Mark Turbyfill, and Ken W. came for a visit last night, and left this morning. It was great to be able to shart my collection with Mark and Ken (Tania has seen it several times). Mark went home with an Electrolux model 20 (XX) and Ken went home with a toy Hoover Windtunnel for his little boy. They didn't stay long enough to see Stan Kann.

Let me know when ever you think you might be getting to St. Louis. I'll arrange it with Stan so we can visit with him, see his collection, and go to Applebee's for Dinner. I've got a model 1 Royal from 1910 I need to show him that Mike Hays has loaned me. I told him about it this morning and he's very excited to see it. Maybe we can get Andy Weter and Patrick Dawson to visit at the same time, and we'll have our own 'mini meet' at Stan's. How about it? Missed you at the Club Meeting last weekend.

Tom G.

tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Saturday, June 28, 2003 at 16:10:25 (MDT)



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Question about Firestone canister:

This week I acquired a Firestone canister from an antique dealer here who frequently locates vintages vacs for me. The machine somewhat flat appearing and tear shaped. The off-on switch is a pedal. The hose attaches at the top. The hose I acquired is green cloth hose. The machine itself is light green. I presume it is a Eureka made especially for Firestone just as was done for Singer and is from late fifties or early sixties. Would appreciate any comments or help in identifying the machine.

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Saturday, June 28, 2003 at 14:48:28 (MDT)



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Hi everybody!! Just wanted to chime in along with everyone and say what a great time I had at this year's convention. Thanks to everyone who had a role in planning, coordinating and conducting the various activities and those who shared their collections for our enjoyment both at the hotel and in their homes, and to our officers, board and members for such a great club.

This was my second convention, the first being the Portland convention in 2001. Each time I got to meet new and different people, and this time I got to see friends I made last time. This year was extra special being I got to see good friends I didn't know would be in attendance until just a few weeks before.

I don't think the postings accomodate links, but if you put what's below in your browser line, you can see a few pictures I took. I look forward to seeing the pictures of others as well!

We'll see everyone here and everyone stay in touch til we meet again!!

http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=2324054&uid=814581&members=1

Scott Onasch
Minneapolis, MN USA - Friday, June 27, 2003 at 00:32:43 (MDT)



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Hi Michael.

I have some pictures that I am going to e-mail to you once i've figured out my digital camera (I just got it right before the convention so I still don't know how to use it fully).

I had an awesome time at the convention and i'm sure you did too. It was nice to see you.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Thursday, June 26, 2003 at 16:31:55 (MDT)



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PS - If anyone who took digital picture would like to send a few to me, I would love to see them.

Again, Thank you all.

Michael
New York, NY USA - Thursday, June 26, 2003 at 10:47:48 (MDT)



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Well I guess since I was at the convention as well, and enjoyed it just as much as everyone else has, I should comment personally on how well run the entire event was.

Charlie Watrous, you have out-done yourself this year. You are in deed the quintessential "Project Manager" with motivational speaker talents thrown in for good measure. Oh yes, and you aint to bad as an Auctioneer either. Talk about being multi faceted. Anybody who can ware as many hats as you do, and still play the glamorous roles, has my vote for next term.

I would also like to thank the other board members for their efforts, particularly Tania & Fred, for pulling it all together locally.

To Fred, and Stan for letting us into your homes to see your collections. I really love to see what other members collect real-time and in person.

To Chuck & Prudence for those wonderful center pieces, and to ME for the winning bid on Miss Air-Way and her bouquet of red roses.

Chuck, I display them very proudly in my apartment. Shhhh, when no one is around.

For those of you I've met for the very first time, how very nice it was to be in your company. I am truly looking forward to a mini-meet somewhere in the very near future.

Best Wishes

Michael

Michael
New York, Ny USA - Thursday, June 26, 2003 at 10:46:24 (MDT)



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To Jim Kirby:

Sorry I didn't answer you on that "other" forum but it is just crazy over there. I did indeed see some floor polishers and Jeff Parker was kind enough to give me a pink Hoover 5130 polisher. I am not going to try to state facts and dates about it (I tend to get into trouble) but it is a good match for a Hoover 65. Thanks Jeff!

To the Forum:

This is my first post here. After meeting everyone at the convention I certainly feel comfortable addressing you here. Thanks for a wonderful convention to all the organizers, particularly Charlie W. I know what a thankless task it can be but your task clearly was one of commitment. Never a dull moment. The dinner was fabulous (thanks Chuck and Prudence!) and the after hours diversion was most entertaining. Thanks to Steve Keisler for providing the stretch limo. Charlie, just know that all your efforts were appreciated by all.

The cleaning contest was fascinating. Starting with the early machines, through the suction only (thanks to RJ for straightening me out on that terminology) to the post war beater bar machines. Nothing can compete with those post war Hoovers. Too bad that was the same company that produced the V2 with the revolving brushes that wouldn't work.

You have all renewed my interest in the hobby (unfortunately for my checkbook) but the friendships developed will be priceless.

Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 19:59:38 (MDT)



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OOPS!

In the post below I should have written "not able."

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 13:49:40 (MDT)



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Dear Friends,

In reading the posts here, an e-mail from Chris Lambert, and talking to several of you by phone after the convention, I know that I missed an awesome experience.

A number of you I have met at least once, but a number I haven't had the good fortune to meet. I'm sorry I was able to be there to visit with you; see Tanya's, Fred's and Stan's collections and meet Stan; have fun observing the contests; and hearing the excellent talk by Don Clark.

R. J., I know that you'll be excellent in the newly established position of vice president.

Best regards.

Jim Kirby

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 13:47:32 (MDT)



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Hi Folks,

After reading all the postings, I don't know what to say that would sound original. It was the best convention I've ever been to. It was the only convention I've been to but that doesnt matter. I had a blast, and so did Daniel. Thank you all for making us feel so welcome. I know Steven Keisler had a great time, and it was a great way to spent his 50th.

I love you all! Thanks for being who you are. Until the next mini-convention or official convention (hopefully in Los Angeles)

Mark Tomey

Daniel Saint James

Mark Tomey (manicmark)
Hollywood, CA USA - Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 21:49:25 (MDT)



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Glad everyone had a great time at the Convention, and sorry I missed it! (Would love to hear about some of the "after-hours" get-togethers...!!)

If anyone would want to send me their photos, I will do up a special page on this site. You can send me a CD (address in club membership list), or email them to me preferably zipped or stuffed.

Thanks--

~

C

Charlie Lester
USA - Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 17:31:10 (MDT)



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corrected email addy and a alt

buickfins59_1999@yahoo.com

roadmaster39@hotmail.com

rjonesjr@carolina.rr.com

ron jones
rockingham, nc USA - Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 14:28:52 (MDT)



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Hi Ron,

Enjoyed meeting you and all the other great guys and gals in Milwaukee. I, for one, would delight in having copies of your photos. Unfortunately, the yahoo e-mail address you listed came back as unkown. Give me an updated e-mail address, so we can be in touch. Thanks in advance.

-Bernie

Bernie Mehlbaum
Harrisburg, PA USA - Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 11:05:52 (MDT)



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Hello fellow club memebers just a note to let everyone know that every year or meetings keep getting better and better I have put all the pix i took on CD so if anyone wants one let me know

thanks again all my friends old and new for a wonderful time

ron jones
rockingham, nc USA - Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 08:09:02 (MDT)



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I would like to thank Charlie Watrous and everyone else responsible for making this convention as great as it was.

Everyone was very nice to me and I enjoyed meeting up again with everyone I met last year.

I would like to thank David for letting us come to his store and Tania, Fred, and Stan for letting us see their collections. It was a real treat to have met Don Clark and to hear him tell his story.

I had a wonderful time and was able to bring several machines home with me that I did not have before.

Thanks again.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 07:57:03 (MDT)



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To Charlie Watrous and the VCCC Board:

Another excellent convention, the best I've ever been to.

Thanks to your vision and hard work, our club has gone from 12 friends gathered in Bob Taber's garage, to a groups of over 100 who can all come together for a once-a-year meeting that constantly gets better and better.

Chuck C.'s table displays were the highlight of the evening on banquet night. I won the 'Jewish Mother' Bissel Green Machine, and it has a place of honor on display in my store. Thank you Chuck. Your creativity is astounding.

Certainly, the funniest moment for all of us HAS to be Fred and Jeff Parker pounding on the V2 Windtunnel, trying to get it to run. I just hope someone caught it on video or photo for the club newsletter (would also love to send a copy of the pic to Hoover Co.).

Last, but hardly least, to Charlie Watrous for an exciting three days that are the highlight of the year for me. Your vision, as well as the vision of our board members, has taken our club from just a bunch of interested people, to a gathering of friends who all share a special hobbie and enjoy each other's company.

Can't wait for next year. I'm still 'coming down' from it all. I miss you all already. To my new friends, like Brother Chris, to my 'old' friends like Clay and Jimmy Martin, EVERYONE made this meeting special for me.

Thank you, from the bottom of my heart.

Tom Gasko

P.S.: To Jeff Parker

Your Golden Anniversary Hoover 65 deserved each of it's three blue ribbons. You should be very proud.

It's also fitting that YOUR machine should be our first Triple Crown winner.

Looking forward to seeing what you enter next year.

tom gasko
st. louis, mo USA - Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 07:08:28 (MDT)



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I still remember the thrill of attending my first VCCC Convention in St. Louis in '99. It's hard to imagine, bet every year, it just keeps getting better!

Thanks to our President and Board Members for all of the efforts that went into the planning, to the Tania, Fred, and Stan for opening up their homes (and collections) to us, to the judges who officiated the competitions, to the contestants who made for exciting and fun-filled competitions, to all of the contributing "vendors" who brought things to sell and/or trade, to Chuck C and Prudence for the wonderful table decorations, to all those who brought wonderful machines to display, to all those who had a part in making this event "happen," and especially to our "first-time" attendees for making the VCCC convention a part of your life this year.

Thanks also to all those in the general meeting who entrusted me with the newly-created position of Vice President. I hope I will be able to serve you with honor and dignity (and a bit of humor).

Best Regards,

RJV

R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 22:39:32 (MDT)



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To everyone who was in Milwaukee ~

I'm still "coming down" from the fantastic experience of the convention! It was my first one since I'm a new member, but every aspect of it was enjoyable and memorable. Special thanks to Charlie Watrous and all of the board members for the obvious hard work that went into making the gathering the success that it was! (Everyone in the friary and the Provincial Office is hoping I'll start talking about something besides the convention pretty soon!)

I was especially impressed by the affirming and generous spirit of everyone there. Someone was always looking for something that someone needed (thanks to Ken Wagman for the Filter Queen hose, and to Fred Stachnik for Hoover 29 motor hood), and everyone seemed to rejoice when someone found a special item or a good bargain. What a wonderful bunch of people to know and spend a weekend with!

I would be remiss if I didn't add a special mention of the table decorations at the banquet ~ how marvelously creative they all were!

A special note of thanks to Fred, Tania, and Stan for welcoming us into their homes to see their collections. Your hospitality was greatly appreciated. (Fred certainly sets the benchmark for organization and display!)

If nothing else, at least we all discovered how to get a Hoover Wind Tunnel V2 to work!! :-)

I'm grateful for the many new friends I made at the convention and I look forward to keeping in touch with all of you. For me, our time together during those days was truly a moment of grace. You're all in my heart and in my prayers.

B.C.

Brother Chris Lambert
Saint Louis, MO USA - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 19:38:41 (MDT)



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Dear Friends

Another convention has come and gone, and I hope everyone has arrived back home safely. Our trip was a minor thirteen hours, and we had no problems. I was delighted to have Prudence travel with me... She kept me very entertained, pumped full of fancy coffee, and even supplied a refreshing "oil of olay" towelette to keep me "fresh".

At the risk of becoming emotional... I want you ALL to know that the ribbons presented to Prudence and me touched me deeply. We/I had only wanted to make the closing banquet a bit more festive, and felt that the vacuums in costume would be a nice addtion. There was to be no fanfare... just the look on your faces was thanks enough. I believe every person in the club extended a heartfelt thank-you directly to the two of us. When Madam president then presented us with those ribbons, it was more than I could take. That has touched me more than you may ever know. I must apologize for leaving the room, and missing part of the Air-Way talk. I am even now more than ever convinced that this is the best group of people in the world, and am very thankful to have all of you in my life.

Stay well, stay in touch with each other, and remember... There is a new BIT** on the board!!!

Best to all, Chuck

chuck chatham
lock haven, pa USA - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 18:50:04 (MDT)



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Greetings to All, Having just returned form the 2003 convention in Milwaukee I want to send a very special THANK-YOU to our president, Charlie Watrous and the entire planning committee. The convention was fantastic and all of your hard work was appreciated by all that attended. We are all so blessed to have a group like this to get together with. For those of you who could not attend be sure and mark your calendar for the third weekend in June 2004.

Terry Lattz

Terry Lattz
Danville, il USA - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 13:07:54 (MDT)



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Hi Michael Hays:

Thank You SOOOO Much, for sending the Royal Model 1 upright with Jimmy Martin, for the entire VCCC to see at our Milwaukee meeting.

How often will the assembled club get to see a Royal model 1 from 1910? It was wonderful to be able to show it off for you.

Stan Kann will get to see it next, I'm going to show it to him this coming weekend. Even Stan, our great and fearless Grandfather of the Vacuum Collecting hobby, has NEVER seen one before. He told me it will be a real treat to get to see it.

Again, thank you so much for the opportunity to show one of your prized machines to OUR club. You have a BEAUTIFUL collection of fascinating and rare vacuums, and I encourage ALL club members to arrange a visit to Ohio for a chance to view your collection. Can't wait to see you again, and take pictures of your collection for our website.

We all missed you at the meeting. You are 'one of a kind'!

Tom

tom gasko
st. louis, mo USA - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 11:54:09 (MDT)



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Intersting note, was watching Will & Grace,(My favorite show) and Karen was pretending to be a maid,and on her cleaning cart was the Dyson DC07, WOW!!!!!!

P.S. Hope everyone has a great time at the convention!!!

Michael Hays
Greenfield, OH USA - Thursday, June 19, 2003 at 19:31:23 (MDT)



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I know I am going to get corrected for this so I am going to correct myself.

In the sentence below I put don't come around often, I meant doesn't come around often.

Sorry!

David Mick
Desloge, Mo USA - Wednesday, June 18, 2003 at 15:26:19 (MDT)



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Hi,

I snuck in here because I wanted to write to all of you and let you know what an impact you all have on people.

WHAT A CLUB!!!

Although I am not a member, I have been to a lot of meetings and I am really disappointed not to be able to attend this years meeting. I really will miss all of you.

My Doctor has grounded me..

I'll put it in a way you all will understand it.

Although they have rebuilt my motor and put new filters in- when I was originally built at the factory someone messed up on the assembly line. They put the wrong hoses in me they weren't wide enough which makes it harder for all the dirt to get through so the motor is burning up which can't be repaired again! then Tom will have to throw me away and get a new one ( and if I know him he will get a newer better built model with a Longer warranty)

I thought that was funny, anyway, with that said.

My point is- Whether you are a member or just along for the ride, you all make people feel welcomed -each and every one of you take the time out to get to know every person as an individual and NO ONE is left out.

You accept everyone, no matter what type of person they are, with every flaw, difference of opinions and faults you still care enough as a group to put effort into talking and understanding and know them. You open that door with open arms- what a rare occurence!

An amazing Group of people such as you are don't come around often.

I hope you have a GREAT Meeting and I wish I could have seen everyone whom I enjoy being around and who enjoys being around me. I talked with people last year I never would think I would have things in common with, but did. Too Bad it's only once a year.

If any of you want to come to St. Louis, Tom and I welcome you, ALWAYS!!

In closing, from someone on the outside looking in, this is a special club and I hope it stays that way.

Where else can you say you guys really suck and it be a good thing, well, all I can say is KEEP SUCKING!!! You're AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love,

David

David Mick
Desloge, Mo USA - Wednesday, June 18, 2003 at 14:45:26 (MDT)



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Hello Everyone:

I'm going to be arriving at the Convention about 6:00 pm, or 6:30 pm. I was wondering what time people were going to be arriving, trying to see if we might be able to get some kind of group together for dinner?

Spoke to Jimmy Martin a few minutes ago, he's bringing one of each model Air-Way canister, including two to sell (the black/white 1980 model Mark V with Rugmaster, and the 1976 yellow/white Mark II). He's stopping by Mike Hay's to pick up a Royal Straight Suction model 1 Mike gave me for my birthday.

Let's see if we can get a nice group together for dinner on Thursday night.

Tom G.

tom gasko
st. louis, mo USA - Monday, June 16, 2003 at 11:44:12 (MDT)



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1912 Ramy Duplex being reestored:

Club member Richard Klein reports that he is refurbishing a 1912 Ramy Duplex upright that he recently purchased on ebay. The machine has two nozzles, front and back, and floats without wheels across the carpet on air from port holes on the underside of the motor. Richard indicates that the cleaner also features a very long handle. He has two pictures of it on the yahoo group, vintagevacuumdustcollectors, which he moderates. The pictures are in the Photo link, Default section.

Former club member Karl Weissert reports that he purchased the Kenmore Imperial that was on ebay until a few days ago.

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Friday, June 13, 2003 at 19:27:57 (MDT)



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Thanks Tom. I will try your technique this weekend on some of my old brush rolls.

Bud Mattingly
Middletown, Oh USA - Thursday, June 12, 2003 at 17:47:49 (MDT)



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Charlie Lester,

The email you have is the one on the club roster. Mike may have changed it. Hopefully someone here may have it. If not, his phone is 937.981.3738.

Good luck!

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Thursday, June 12, 2003 at 07:00:42 (MDT)



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Hi, does anyone out there have a current email address for Michael Hays in Ohio? The only address I have for him, lewyt4@webtv.net, is bouncing.

Thx--

Charlie Lester
USA - Thursday, June 12, 2003 at 00:23:34 (MDT)



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To Forum:

The Hoover Co.'s North Canton,OH, plant laid off 100 workers today, according to CNN. The company cited reduced consumer demand as the reason.

Jim

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Wednesday, June 11, 2003 at 18:52:40 (MDT)



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To Bud:

The way I've always done it is with soap and water.

Make that, dishwashing liquid and water. I never really want to get a wooden brush roller 'wet', nor do I really want any of the bristles 'wet'. So, I use a dampened rag in a circular motion to clean the brush roller and bristles gently.

Of course, on Hoover brush rollers, you just remove the bearings and brush strips and stick them in the sink. I've used S.O.S pads on the aluminum 700-style agitators before.

Generally, if you can remove the bearing and bristles, get the core part wet enough to remove the dirt. If it's wood, try to do it quickly and dry throughly. If it's aluminum or steel, let it air dry.

If the brush bristles are horse-hair, you can't really soak them in anything - but you can disinfect them with that blue alcohol stuff barbers use for their hair brushes. The idea is not to get horsehair brushes wet, especially if they are old, because you never know how good the fastening is. They may all fall out once they are wet, or they may be just fine. Don't chance it on the really old ones (pre-world-war-II).

tom g.

tom gasko
st. louis, mo USA - Wednesday, June 11, 2003 at 17:05:21 (MDT)



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What is the best way to disinfect brush rolls on a vintage vacuum ? Thanks for any help you can give me.

Bud Mattingly
Middletown, Oh USA - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 16:52:05 (MDT)



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Hi Charlie Watrous

I'd like to volunteer too. I can spread dirt or vacuum in between competitons etc. Will see you in few weeks! Martin

Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 21:03:45 (MDT)



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Auction closed at $610 for Kenmore Imperial. I sent an e-mail through ebay to the high bidder, asking if he were a vintage vac collector. I'll see if I get a reply. Based on the ebay user name of the buyer, I believe I know who he is; and I believe he is a club member.

Jimmy in Kansas

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Sunday, June 08, 2003 at 17:11:22 (MDT)



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Thanks Jim and Charlie for your offer of help in finding the needed Bug-Eye parts. I've had several offers of parts from other members but then was, seemingly, forgotten about. What I really need the most is just a glass headlamp lens. I did want to take this cleaner to Milwaukee and was hoping to find the part in advance.

Bernard Mehlbaun
Harrisburg, PA USA - Sunday, June 08, 2003 at 16:35:26 (MDT)



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P.S.: In fact, I would not be at all surprised if the Bug-Eye goes HIGHER than $400. There's still more than a day left on it, and I know there are quite a few people who would love to have it --- and not just vacuum cleaner collectors.

A couple of years ago, I listed a Hoover 150 when I was having a lean financial time. (*) It was in near-mint condition, all original, including the [nearly impossible to find] intact rubber handle grip, original bag, original storage carton, all the attachments, hose, caddy & instruction booklet. It was a really fabulous machine but I had to make some sacrifices, so I listed it.

The high bidder on that machine was, indeed, not a vacuum cleaner collector, but was an industrial designer with a great interest in Henry Dreyfuss (who designed the machine for Hoover). His winning bid was around $450, I believe it was, and he expressed great relief to me that the machine did not go for "ten times that much." He considered it an "unbelievable find" and is the centerpiece of his Dreyfuss collection.

I just wish I had known beforehand that he would have been willing to have spent $4,000+ to get it!!

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(*) And there's another lean time coming, it appears ... being a freelance graphic artist does have its disadvantages ... so I may be listing more stuff as well ... I've been eyeing my 1940 Compact Model 1 that is in near-perfect condition ... not having any other Compacts, and not really being all that much "into" that brand, I probably will list it fairly soon ...

Charlie Lester
Hollwierd, CA USA - Saturday, June 07, 2003 at 23:37:52 (MDT)



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Hi, I was not at all shocked at how high the Bug-Eye went. It is a very rare machine. I have only seen one other in addition to mine (Stan Kann has one), and I only know of a couple of other collectors who have them.

Had I not one, and had I a spare $400 knocking around, I would have considered it a worthy investment. It's a goregous, very odd, very rare machine, and is one that I consider among the primary machines of my collection.

What DOES shock me is to see stuff like all these "mongrel" Kirbys going for four and five hundred dollars! There have been several of these in the past couple of months, just plain old ordinary Kirbys -- in at least one case not even having the original trim, let alone original bag -- going for insane amounts of money.

Truly, there is someone trolling eBay for old vacs who has more money than good sense, that they would be paying that much for machines that are not the least bit collectible in terms of condition and originality.

You can still find these old Kirbys very plentifully --- there is absolutely no need to spend that kind of money on a vintage Kirby, unless it is "Brand New In the Box Complete And All Original And Not Touched By Human Hands Since The Day It Left The Factory" !! And, even then, only a real diehard Kirby fan should be tempted to spend a whole lot of money on one.

The only Kirbys that I consider "rare" and thus of some value are the PRE-500 series, especially the "R" ("retail") versions of the C series that had the power switches in the handle. But even at that, such a machine would have to be in really incredible condition to tempt me.

On the other hand, there have been times when I have spent more for a certain thing than other people felt I should have. So there you have it. I guess if you want something badly enough, and have the money to get it, it's fully within your right to do so.

The only down-side is that spending these kinds of grossly inflated amounts on old sweepers -- especially on less-than-mint or "ordinary" specimens -- is that doing so does give the general public a terribly distorted sense of the value of vintage cleaners. And I can tell this by the kinds of queries I get to my web site.

Used to be, people would email me saying, "I found Aunt Sally's old Hoover in the barn. It's a neat old machine and I'd just like to know something about it -- how old it is, and whether or not there is someone who may want to have it. I'd hate to just put it out for the trash collector."

NOW, by far, MOST of the queries I get are, "I found Aunt Sally's old Hoover in the barn. How much is it worth? Do you know someone who would want to buy this prized rare vintage machine?"

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In other news:

Part of my collection will be highlighted in a special display at the Geisel Library, University of San Diego, entitled "THE ARTISTIC MANAGEMENT OF DUST."

The exhibit will include actual machines, along with printed materials -- advertising, signage, promotional & packaging materials, etc. etc.

I will be there on June 25 to attend the premier of a new musical work for bassoon quartet and vacuum cleaner.

See the following web page for more details including address, etc.:

http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/music/news.htm

I hope those of you in the San Diego vicinity can come by to see the exhibit!

Charlie Lester
Hollyweird, CA USA - Saturday, June 07, 2003 at 23:21:14 (MDT)



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Hi Tom and thank you for your reply.

Please do bring the DC08 if you can. I would love to see it.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Saturday, June 07, 2003 at 17:01:16 (MDT)



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Bernie,

I too, may be able to help you with parts for the Kenmore Bugeye. When I see you at the convention I'll give you the details.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Saturday, June 07, 2003 at 15:14:33 (MDT)



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To Evan Rogers:

Air-Way made THREE models of the Twin Motor upright. The Chief (model 35) is the one I brought last year. The Super Chief (model 40) has the skinny handle and a headlight, and an on/off switch for the brush motor. The Excello (model 44) was different still. Stan Kann has one of them.

I was going to bring the Super Chief, since Tania has a Chief. The Air-Way hand held vac was built by Royal for Air-Way and matched the model 88 (not the Mark II). Air-Way actually made their own hand held cleaner in the late 1920's called the Junior. In the 1930, the upright handle became removeable and a small handle could be put in its place (like a Kirby) and it was called the Junior Service for the Sanitary System. The first "junior" was a complete machine and was made for just a short period of time (like the Hoover Duster).

Looking forward to seeing you at the meeting. I'm riding with someone from st. Louis and there isn't much room in his car. I think three machines will be about the limit. I just might bring the DC08 since I imagine it's the only one in the United States at the moment.

Tom G.

tom gasko
st. louis, mo USA - Saturday, June 07, 2003 at 14:40:05 (MDT)



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Bernie:

Let me check another source that might be able to help you with parts for the Kenmore Imperial. I'll be in touch.

Jim K.

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Saturday, June 07, 2003 at 13:37:08 (MDT)



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Tom,

The Dyson that was donated to the club is the purple/red "middle of the road" model. I know Michael LaBue thought we would be getting a custom color model but somehow that did not happen. It is a garden variety model right off the general production line. However, it is our daily vacuum and I really like it remendously. When I put on the Rug Rat for the stairs or car interiors that thing really screams! I've never seen a Rug Rat operate that fast. Very, very impressive. Maybe I'll ship that attachment too so everyone can be a witness!

Terry Latz,

Thanks for your offer of help. I need volunteers to be judges, scorekeepers, dirt mixers/spreaders, measurers, etc. So, when I see you we will find something that you like to do. And again, MANY THANKS!! You always come through and volunteer whenever I need help. What a GREAT member you are.

Hope all have a great weekend. I'm off to the skies tomorrow.

PS--Bernie, can you believe somebody is paying $400 for the Bugeye? What a world.

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Saturday, June 07, 2003 at 10:34:08 (MDT)



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Jim,

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Thanks to you, I made contact with Don O'Connor and forwarded the brushroll to him for re-bristling. As for the Bug-Eye on E-bay, I'm afraid the situation has gotten entirely out of hand thanks to several overly exuberant bidders... so, the search for parts continues. Thanks for asking.

-Bernie

Bernard Mehlbaum
Harrisburg, PA USA - Saturday, June 07, 2003 at 08:41:20 (MDT)



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To Tom.

Didn't you bring the twin motor Air-Way last year? I remember you letting me enter it in the cleaning contest. I suppose that it makes sense though since the theme for this years convention is Air-Way. I never knew that Air-Way ever made a hand vac. I would definately be interested in seeing that. I had not planned on bringing any machines this year since I would have to pay to get it shipped over there and I am trying to save my money so I can use it towards buying parts and machines that might be for sale at the convention. I will be attending the convention with my mom this year. She has a friend that lives in Milwaukee and we will be staying with him. I am surprised that you are not bringing any Dysons this year. Didn't you say that you own a DC08? I would think that fellow club members might be interested in seeing that.

I had a great time last year in Louisville and I am sure that this year will be just as good if not better! It seems like we have been out of tiuch for awhile, so it's great to hear from you. I am so glad thatwe have a forum to post on that is free of troublemakers.

I look forward to seeing you in Milwaukee!

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Friday, June 06, 2003 at 19:21:12 (MDT)



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To Charlie Watrous:

I had not planned on bringing a Dyson this year to the convention. Figured that everyone would probably want to see the one that James Dyson had made up special for our club. It is one of only two vacuums our club owns collectively. (the Commemorative Edition Electrolux that I talked Electrolux's Vice President, Mike Fuller, out of a few years ago was the first).

I have a feeling this is going to be the best, most memorable convention ever.

To EVAN ROGERS:

I was thinking of bringing only two or maybe three machines with me this year. My Air-Way Twin Motor (Tania asked me to bring it) from 1935 (the Super Chief) as well as the Air-Way hand held vacuum from 1960 and perhaps my Priscilla (it has one of the best Rug Tools ever made).

Hope you'll bring your Air-Way Mark II. It's a real beauty. Looking forward to seeing you there. Is your father bringing you, or will we meet your mother this time?

Tom G.

tom gasko
st. louis, mo USA - Friday, June 06, 2003 at 16:39:36 (MDT)



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Hi Tom. Do you plan on bringing any vacuums to the convention this year?

Hope to hear from you.

Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Friday, June 06, 2003 at 10:45:02 (MDT)



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Hi Charlie, I would be more than happy to help out with the contest in any way at the convention. Just let me know what I can do. Terry

Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Friday, June 06, 2003 at 10:12:37 (MDT)



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Members,

PS--don't forget "Vacuum Show and Tell" follows the Friday night buffet. Please feel free to bring your pet vacuum to the dinner. I don't want anyone or anything to feel left out!

Also, for those who may want an adult beverage, there is a bar in the hotel with those items. You may bring adult beverages into our meeting area(s) as you know we are an adult only convention.

See you there!

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Friday, June 06, 2003 at 07:27:07 (MDT)



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Tom,

I had not planned to ship the Dyson to the convention but if it is the vacuum for the contests then I guess I will! I thought you would be bringing a Dyson with you.

I spoke with Tania Wednesday and she told me she had just spoken with you and you gave her the "dirt" recipe and she will take care of purchasing the items that are needed. I am picking up the ribbons and "President's Choice" trophy today.

Members, just so you know, I am adding a new category this year that is "People's Choice Award". It will be voted by ballot and any machine in any category is in. When the ballots are counted, the one vacuum with the most votes, (only 1 vote please people!), will win.

Also, anyone who wants to volunteer to help with the contests please let me know at the convention or on this forum. WE WILL NEED VOLUNTEERS FOR A NUMBER OF DUTIES!

Tom, glad you make it. At this point, we have about 40 attending but not all have paid as usual. I/We plan to collect at the door if necessary!

Friday night, those attending the "Vacuum Safari" in the "Big Game Room" will need to see me or another member at the door to fork over $9.95 for the all you can eat fish/chicken/salad bar/drink. That price includes tax & tip so save your appetites throughout the day.

Keep posting and the countdown is on the vacuum madness in Milwaukee!

Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Friday, June 06, 2003 at 07:23:01 (MDT)



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To Charlie Watrous:

Will you be bringing the club's vacuums to the convention? I understand Tania has the Electrolux Commemorative Edition already, but what about the Limited Edition Dyson?

You will surely need it for the cleaning competition. Tania asked me to bring a digital scale to measure the 'test dirt' and I gave her the dirt recipe so she'll be buying the stuff this weekend. Fred S. has the test carpet, so I think we're all set for the competition.

Since the theme this year is "Air-Way", I wonder if we might want to take an hour to do a 'repair clinic' on old Air-Way motors that are rather difficult, like the model 66 motor? Or even the old Sanitary Systems. Most club members have at LEAST ONE Air-Way (we would hope) so most everyone should find it interesting at the least.

What do you think?

Tom G.

tom gasko
st. louis, mo USA - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 20:27:01 (MDT)



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To R.J.

Are you still going to bring the Kirby to the convention to raffle off? I am still going to bring the Sanitronic attachments with me.

Hope to see you there.

Tom G.

tom gasko
st. louis, mo USA - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 13:28:08 (MDT)



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Greetings to all!

I've just recently joined the club and am looking forward to attending my first convention later this month.

Last weekend I had the good fortune to link up with Tom Gasko who sold me a Hoover 115 that looks like it's been hiding in a closet since 1947 - it's hard to tell that it's ever been used! How lucky can you get?! Tom and I will be traveling together to the convention.

Older Hoovers are my passion. Since I live in a monastery, I have even less money than I have space, but I have acquired a few beauties over the years. I recently found a Hoover Model 29 on e/bay - something I've always wanted. Perhaps one of these days I'll find a better motor hood for it. (However, the original cloth bag is in great shape!)

I plan to bring along some attachment sets to the convention -- I have more than I can use of ones for the Hoover 28/29/etc. that use the L-shaped connector on the side. Perhaps some of you out there can help me to find a home for them. Is anyone interested in an old Hoover Dustette in the original Hoover carrying box with handle?? I am always on the lookout for Hoover sweeping brushes (both straight and curved) for the 28 and 29.

I thoroughly enjoyed my first issue of the club newsletter and I look forward to meeting many of you at the convention!

Brother Chris

Chris Lambert, OFM
Saint Louis, MO USA - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 21:00:32 (MDT)



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Bernie:

Were you able to get in touch with Don O'Connor? Glad to see you will be able to get the machine on ebay that will enable you to put your own Kenmore Imperial in good order.

Jim K.

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 19:51:08 (MDT)



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Hi everyone, just wanted to wish you all a great convention. As usual, I am not able to attend because of my weekend church duties. But I'll be there in spirit. Someone please ask Tanya if she's still planning to send me the Electrolux she mentioned -- tell her I have made space for it on my shelf, and it's been an empty spot for quite some time now!

Cheers,

Charlie Lester
USA - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 19:34:24 (MDT)



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Hi all,

I see there is a bug-eye on e-bay!!!! Hoorah!!

It's not in good shape, but there my be many useable parts to finish restoring the one I have. I'm going to keep me fingers crossed...

-Bernie

Bernard Mehlbaum
Harrisburg, PA USA - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 18:36:22 (MDT)



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Hi Everyone,

I am looking for a Eureka Nylon Cloth Bag that uses the F&G paper bag. It is the two screw base and came in two colors. Aqua (Blue) and Cream. They were made in the late 60's and early 70's. It has a rubber bag guard the same color as the bag. If anyone has one in good shape or a new (old) stock, please let me know.

Thank You,

Bud Mattingly

Bud Mattingly
Middletown, Oh USA - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 18:26:57 (MDT)



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Tom Gasko:

I've got to decide in a day or two if I can attend part or all of the VCCC convention. As you may remember, my mother came to Kansas right after the turn of the century from New York on one of the orphan trains. A Heartland Orphan Train Conference is scheduled the same weekend as the Vac convention. However, I just learned this afternoon that there will be the regular national orphan Train Heritage Society convention in October in Springdale, AR. This will be the last convention in Springdale because the organization is moving its headquarters to Concordia, KS. So I may attend it instead of the Heartland Conference in Concordia, KS.

Mother arrived in St. Marys, KS, on an orphan train in June 1904; so next year will be the 100th anniversary of the arrival of the group who came to St. Marys. We'll be planning some type of celebration in St. Marys around June 16, 2004.

Another problem also arose today. One of the Thomas family, our chairman of the board, was diagnosed today in Houston with a malignancy. We're hoping quick surgery at M. D. Anderson Hospital in Houston and radiation will take care of the situation.

I'll be in touch by weekend to let you know my plans.

I have exchanged e-mails with Chris Lambert. He is a Franciscan brother of the Sacred Heart Province, headquartered in St. Louis. Thanks again for putting us in touch with each other.

I'm very sorry Dave isn't doing well. We'll keep him in our prayers.

Jim Kirby

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 15:14:41 (MDT)



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To Jim Kirby:

Do you plan on attending the Convention?

David's doctor doesn't want us to go, but we are going to try to make it anyway. Long, and sad story there.

Tom G.

tom gasko
st. louis, mo USA - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 09:09:15 (MDT)



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Tom G.:

Thanks for telling me about Chris Lambert. I did notice his recent e-mail as ChrisOFM and wondered if he were a Franciscan. If he is O.F.M., Order of Friars Minor, he would be a priest or a brother. In my case, I'm a member of the third Franciscan order, founded in the 13th century for lay people and diocesan priests. Those of us in the Third Order are Secular Franciscans, SFO.

I will send Chris an e-mail.

Jim K.

Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 21:05:14 (MDT)



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Hello Everyone:

This past Saturday (May 30) I had the chance to meet and visit with new Club Member Christopher Lambert. He is also from St. Louis and has a wonderful Hoover collection. I supplied him with a 115 Hoover that he was wanted for his collection for many years.

He is going to the convention this month, so everyone please make him feel welcome.

PS: to Jim Kirby,

Chris Lambert is also a member of the Franciscans organization in St. Louis (in fact, he goes by Brother Chris, O.F.M. I'm sure you know what that means. Chris reminds me so much of you. I know you'll have lots to talk about. You and Chris are approx. the same age (give or take a few years) and his temperment and personality are wonderful (just like yours).

Tom G.

tom gasko
st. louis, mo USA - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 11:46:14 (MDT)



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Dear Members:

Just a friendly reminder that many of you have registered at the hotel for our up and coming convention; but, have not sent in your registration fee of $40. Please make time to send that out to David Olsen. These fees cover our expenses at the hotel!

Look forward to seeing all of you in Milwaukee!

Regards,

Ken Wagman

Membership Coordinator

Ken Wagman
Capron, Il USA - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 01:10:02 (MDT)



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Hi all,


The search is on for a headlamp lens for a Kenmore "Bug-Eye" Imperial. Anyone having any spare parts please contact me. Somebody must have some parts somewhere!? Thanks in advance.


BernieBernie Mehlbaum <truckerx1@yahoo.com>

Harrisburg, PA USA - Saturday, May 31, 2003 at 07:26:30 (MDT)




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Yes, the Pig is a very powerful machine. I have one from the late 1930s or early '40s -- what a monster! It takes a lonnnnng time to wind and a lonnnn time to wind down, but when it's at full speed it'll suck dry paint off the walls! It is not as powerful as modern vacuum cleaners in terms of amps, but it does have, as Mike ('hey mikey!') pointed out, terrific air flow because it has large fans.


Sorry I won't be able to meet y'all at the convention but I hope there will be plenty of buzz about it in THIS forum!!


Cheers everyone--


Charlie Lester <crlester@137.com>

Hollywooooood, CA USA - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 14:58:32 (MDT)




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Hi Mike.


We have NSS pigs and Royal uprights at my school. When I was in 6th grade, I would stay after school and vacuum with the NSS. I thought that it had very good suction but it was also very loud. I thought it was very neat though since it is the only canister to use a fan-first motor.


Nice to hear from you and I look forward to seeing you and many others in Milwaukee next month.


Evan Rogers <R3beeze@aol.com>

Concord, MA USA - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 11:55:38 (MDT)




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Come on people, lets get some action on this forum. No one has posted since last Sunday. Recently I bought a NSS


pig, model m-1, WOW! Talk about a great vacuum. This baby has more air flow than my two central vacs that are hooked up together.


Hope everyone has a great time at the convention.


Mike


Micael Hays <lewyt4@webtv.net>

Greenfield, OH USA - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 11:43:23 (MDT)




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Hi all,


The search continues for a headlamp lens for a Bug-Eye Kenmore Imperial Automatic. Anyone out there with spare parts, please let me know. Thanks.


Bernie


Bernie Mehlbaum <truckerx1@yahoo.com>

Harrisburg, PA USA - Sunday, May 25, 2003 at 15:06:28 (MDT)




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Louis....... Sorry I have not gotten to you sooner. I do have the kirby head that you need, and will bring it to convention with me.


President Watrous, I hope you know that most ALL of us appreciate the work involved in "doing the newsletter". ( in addition to being president) How sad that "some" have taken it the wrong way. I am considering having buttons made up for any that want... They will read.. GOT ILK!?


Till convention.... chuck


chuck chatham <wetastow@webtv.net>

lock haven, pa USA - Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 14:39:16 (MDT)




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To Jim Kirby:


Thanks for the info. I will f/u on the lead.


Hope you're coming to the VCCC this June-would love to meet you!


Again, thanks.


Louis


Louis <Louvac1@aol.com>

Madison, CT USA - Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 12:38:45 (MDT)




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Louis:


A vac shop in Topeka, Topeka Vacuum, which is an authorized Kirby service center, might have a nozzle for your Model 515. I'll check with him Tuesday. Also, if you'd like to call him, his name is Rusty McClellan, 800-22-KIRBY.


Charlie Lester:


I was thrilled to see the Premier Duplex pictured on the Members Only entrance page.


Best wishes to all for a great Memorial Day weekend. Hopefully we'll have no tornados this weekend in Kansas.


Jim Kirby


Jim Kirby <jkirby@thomasunited.com>

Emporia, KS USA - Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 12:12:21 (MDT)




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Charlie L:


I sent you an email. Please respond. I am trying this as a test from my laptop.


Does anyone have a Kirby 515 rug nozzle for sale? I have the machine, but no nozzle.


Thanks!


Louis R

Madison , CT USA - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 20:44:07 (MDT)




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To the VCCC gang:


Sure is great to have our forum back! Thanks Charlie Lester for making work for our members only. Now we can keep the trouble makers out.


I'm looking forward to seeing many of you in less than a month in Milwaukee.


Charlie Watrous


Charlie Watrous <todchaz@aol.com>

Charlotte, NC USA - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 12:32:06 (MDT)




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When I received the newsletter, I went down to my storage area to see if I could hold up a Compact (or TriStar) with my left index finger. I am going to need to do some exercises. Gentlepeople, glad we are back up. I appreciate the could work that the Charlie's and everyone else has done. Y'all take care.


~just another working stiff super hero, Rocket Warrior


mark goodall <mgoodall@goodfirm.com>

omaha, ne USA - Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 19:55:23 (MDT)




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Hi kids,


YAAAAAAYYYY!! The VCCC forum is up and running again, so I hope all you members will take advantage of It. And, not to beat a dead horse to death, just one final reminder to KEEP YOUR USERNAMES AND PASSWORDS SECRET!!!!!


Enjoy! :))






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I just want to state again, for the record, that anyone with an interest in vintage vacuum cleaners is welcome to post to the VACC Forum.


At the same time, I also need to remind everyone that posting here is regulated by rather stringent guidelines.


These guidelines were not set in place to "censor" anyone or for us to play "Control Police." They were set in place to "keep the peace" and to ensure that THIS Forum does not turn into just another place for schoolyard bickering the way that other forums have become.


Please take a moment and read the revised Guidelines, especially if you are a newcomer from the VacWeb Forum. Just follow the "GUIDELINES" link above. If you don't agree with, or can't follow, these Guidelines--- then it's simple: Don't post here.


Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com

Los Angeles, CA USA - Saturday, April 12, 2003 at 20:39:57 (MDT)


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Oreck XL v. Kirby G3 Vacuumcleaners
For me, ownership/usage of a cleaner has, as I suspect y'all suspect, always been kind of a hodge podge. Before reading VacWeb comments, I purchased rebuilt Oreck XL cleaners for my staffers as part of holiday bonuses.(The reason for Orecks was to show support for a business client and I am glad I did it. The business relationship outweighed the obvious other considerations.) Saturdays, my 15 yr old neighbor vacuums the main level of my offices using the G3 with Tech Drive. He uses an Oreck XL for the lower (kind of grubby) level. He wears ear protection when using the Oreck XL - I suggested it and he does not have to be prodded. I keep a set hanging on the machine. I accept all of your comments regarding the Oreck, but interestingly, my secretary's husband likes it and he now does a share of the vacuum cleaning for the first time! She finds that more valuable than a better vac. Personally, my favorite feature of the Oreck (which I have also heard to be a dificency) is the small foot print. It slips right between chair and lamp table legs.

Now, I am aware that I have probably dropped, credibility-wise, in your estimation. But I see y'all as a nurturing group and know you will gently show me the errors of my ways.


mark goodall mgoodall@goodfirm.com

omaha, ne USA - Monday, April 14, 2003 at 09:53:23 (MDT)


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Picture currently on Vintage Vacuum Dust Collectors:

If you haven't been on the Yahoo Vintage Vacuum Dust Collectors website and forum lately, I think you would appreciate and enjoy the picture of canister and tank type machines Richard Klein currently has there.

Jim Kirby jkirby@thomasunited.com

Emporia, KS USA - Sunday, April 13, 2003 at 13:57:49 (MDT)


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A website you may find interesting is www.vacman.com.
Jim Kirby jkirby@thomasunited.com

Emporia, KS USA - Sunday, April 13, 2003 at 12:02:48 (MDT)


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Hi Vacuum Fans I was so glad to find this form as i am sure most of you will agree Vacweb form is out of control.It is to bad that things got that bad we must respect each other, . We have one bond that is out love for vacuums weather that be Hoover, Singer, Kirby( my favorite) or any other make. LETS RESPEST EACH OTHER Doug
Doug djrubano@hotmail.com

new hyde park, ny USA - Sunday, April 13, 2003 at 11:34:57 (MDT)


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To the Forum:
Any Kirby fanatics out there?


R.J. and I decided to donate a Sanitronic Kirby to the Club, complete with tools. R.J. is donating the cleaner, and I'm donating the tools that I had offered below.


That way, a complete Sanitronic Kirby can be offered at the raffle for the Club. And someone is going home with a beautiful, fully restored, early 1960's Kirby Sanitronic. This was Kirby's first use of the tan color on one of their models.


Hope to see everyone who can attend at the Meeting in June. Our President, Carlie Watrous, has plans to out-do the fantastic meeting we had last year.


I want to encourage all Club Members who are thinking of attending to try and bring your favorite Air-Way model. We did this with Electrolux several years ago, and it was a great success. I convinced Stan Kann to bring his Air-Way DirtMasteR. It would be great to have every model at the meeting, especially for Club Photos for both the newsletter, and posterity.


Tom G.

tom g.

USA - Sunday, April 13, 2003 at 07:08:26 (MDT)


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Ahh,
That is better. This a much better forum. I look forward to reading and posting on this forum.

Kurt Dixon kurt_dixon150@hotmail.com

Canada - Saturday, April 12, 2003 at 12:14:15 (MDT)


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Dear friends,

This morning I visited by phone with Bob Kautzman.

He just acquired a Whirlwind, which came out right after the Civil War; and he was really very enthused and excited about that.


He enjoyed spending an evening with Tania, Jimmy Martin, and Fred last weekend.


Michael, next time I'm in Manhattan, KS, I'll see if the vac shop that had the Singer A frame still has it.

Jim Kirby jkirby@thomasunited.com

Emporia, KS USA - Saturday, April 12, 2003 at 11:25:02 (MDT)


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Hi Jim,
Rj, is absolutly correct. The S or A frame is the model that hand on the wall and had a flat motor housing. If you happen to see the beige or pinkish model in you travels and you think it's in relatively good shape then let me know. I will pay all expenses to get it here.


Broadway says hi back-atcha!


Michael

Michael malabue@excite.com

New York , NY USA - Saturday, April 12, 2003 at 09:44:08 (MDT)


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Hi Everybody:
A customer came in to the store today and gave me a set of virtually unused Sanitronic or Sanitronic 7 attachments. The copper color hose, wands, and tools are all in great shape. My Kirby collection is very small, a model C, 505, and Heritage II. That's it.


Anyone need a set of Sanitronic tools? Let me know, I'll bring them to the convention, and they are yours.


Tom G.

tom g.

USA - Friday, April 11, 2003 at 23:45:24 (MDT)


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Hello...

Great looking site here! I love the vintage animation. My compliments to Charlie Lester and the others involved.


I'm in search of an original Hoover model 62 bag. If anybody has one they would like to part with... drop me a line.


Thanks!

Matt Straub mss@comcast.net

Harrisburg, PA USA - Friday, April 11, 2003 at 20:28:48 (MDT)


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Hey guys!
Sorry for my delay in posting. I would just like to thank Charlie Lester for creating such a wonderful website!

I am so happy that we can have fun talking about vintage vacuum cleaners in a civilized manner.


I look forward to seeing many of you in Milwaukee this June!

Evan Rogers R3beeze@aol.com

Concord , MA USA - Friday, April 11, 2003 at 20:15:53 (MDT)


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To Jim K-
As far as I know, when people refer to the "A-frame" Singers they're talking about the flat style that started in the '50s (I think) that can be hung in the closet. I refer to these as the "S" models, because of their model numbers being S-1, S-2, etc.


R. J. Vanik RVanik@aol.com

Bellevue, WA USA - Friday, April 11, 2003 at 15:43:27 (MDT)


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Michael and R.J.:

Is the A frame Singer one that can be hung up flat in a closet? Or would it look more like, say, a Hoover Model 63 except for color?


I know where there are two Singer uprights in Topeka right now, and I have one in mini-storage unit. However, the ones I have or can get in Topeka are the more modern type, somewhat like Hoover 63.


Also, I believe a vac shop in Manhattan, KS, has one of the Singer uprights that will lie flat and has a flat motor cover. I have a picture of one of these from the late fifties or sixties with an accompanying hand vac.


Give my regards to Broadway and Herald Square.


Jimmy in Kansas

Jim Kirby jkirby@thomasunited.com

Emporia, KS USA - Friday, April 11, 2003 at 13:11:36 (MDT)


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Jim K, & R.J.

I'm late gating back to you regarding my Singer hand vac question. First Jim, let me say how jeleous I am of you guys who live in cities where you can get in you car and jet from thift shop to flea market and back to a thrift shop. I remember the days when I live in Buffalo, NY, when I could do that. I also lived above an Antique shop where there was always a wealth of vintage vacs. This was in the early 70s, so you know that the vacs were absolutly the best of the best. All makes and modles. I was in my glory. My landlord always let me have me pick.


If anyone happens across a Singer A frame, the later model (not sure of the modle number) and it looks to be in OK shape. I mean cosmetically. Let met know. I would like the upright that goes with my hand vac to bring to the convention. It would be the beige colored one, usually with a paper bag liner.


RJ,

As always your theory sounds right on. There was that one A frame you and I talked about a few months back on eBay. I should never have let it slip through my fingers.


LOOKS LIKE THE FORUM IN OUT OF CONTROL.

Michael malabue@excite.com

New York, NY USA - Friday, April 11, 2003 at 10:36:33 (MDT)


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That's hilarious. I wonder what the reserve price is? I wouldn't pay ten dollars for that thing. It has to be something like a 512 (it has a slide switch, not the push switch of later models), with a Sanitronic belt lifter medallion, Dual Sanitronic 80 bag, and Classic Omega trim. Oh yes, and sirroco wheels from the Dual Sanitronic 50. Ooh, that's well worth $400! Runs perfectly huh? Fifty bucks says the bearings are bone-dry, and I bet the fan's broken too. On half of all the Kirbys I get that still have the metal fans on them, they are broken. It's funny though, Hoovers are usually in good shape (when you can FIND them--Kirbys are much more common here), while Kirbys have nasty, smelly bags and broken fans.


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Naperville, IL USA - Friday, April 11, 2003 at 05:31:24 (MDT)


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Ohhhhhhhhhh, I am soooo excited!!! An eBay reeetar---, er, SELLER, has listed an "ANTIQUE Kirby Vacuum" that is "worth well over $400 to the right collector!"

See Item # 2316863766.


I don't know about all-yalls, but I am rushing in to place a VERY HIGH bid -- MUCH higher than $400, to make SURE I win the bid on this priceless treasure!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com

Los Angeles, CA USA - Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 18:57:01 (MDT)


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Tom,
I agree with you that Clay HAS to come. I love his story about the woman co-worker in Colorado. I won't mention her nickname here. Every thing that happened with her is hysterical and only Clay can tell it in his unique Clay way! I also like the story of the Kirby with the bag that was never emptied. I think Clay her out of the store with the Classic III. Then there is the one about the old couple, the super cheap wife with the Rexair? I'm sure you remember that one.


I'm sitting here laughing thinking about each episode. Clay sure knows how to find them or they find him.


A friend of Miss LaToure's in Charlotte wanted you to say hi to Roxie. It is her old friend Shelleata Ham. I saw her last Friday at a function and when she found I out that I, too, am a friend of Roxie LaToure she was delighted and sends her hellos.


Now back to vacuums, the Dogwood divison of Lambda International Car Club presented me with a beautiful set of attachments with hose for my Sanitronic Dual 50 and for my Classic Omega. I did not have either set so that was wonderful. They were, (about 50 of them), in Charlotte for the spring Auto Fair at Lowe's Motor Speedway.


It is nice when your car club friends cross over and give you vac goodies too.


Have a great weekend everybody!

Charlie W. todchaz@aol.com

Charlotte, NC USA - Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 15:08:10 (MDT)


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To Clay Floyd:
I did give Miss LaToure your best regards. She's rather old now, and has been out of the 'loop' for years. As you know, The Hoover Company was her sponsor in a beauty pagent a few decades ago.


She'll always '' work hard for the money ''. :0)


She and Stan Kann always have a lot to talk about when they get together.


Didn't Rexair share a factory with the Easy Washing Machine manufacturer in Syracuse? I was always under the impression that they did.


You absolutely MUST come to the meeting this year. It wasn't the same without you last year. Everyone missed you, and you recollections about various customers and co-workers you've had the opportunity to meet in your vacuum career.


Tom G.

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USA - Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 11:58:37 (MDT)


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Well, I must say, I surely do feel like a "Proud Papa" sitting back and watching this forum come to life and take off. WOW!! What great postings!

Clay, I enjoyed your posting about Rexair. While it's not a machine that has ever really fascinated me, surely because no one (that I recall) had one when I was a little kid --- I certainly do respect your passion for the machine, and admire the intensity of your research around it.


Gee. I wish someone would do comprehensive web sites (or printed works) for the companies that I don't know a whole lot about --- e.g., all of them except Electrolux and Kirby! Surely someone would enjoy delving into a project of the depth and scope of my web pages on those two companies.


I don't mean that as a brag on my own work but just to point out what a tremendous amount of satisfaction I got from the incredible amount of research, time, and work that went into those projects. I enjoy looking over the pages as much as anyone else does, and I still have a lot of stuff to add to the Electrolux site in particular, as well as some outstanding things to fix on the Kirby site, including some very astute input from Clay.


I get an amazing number of comments on those sections of my site, many of them from "civilians" who don't collect old vacuum cleaners but found my site upon a search for something else.


So, kids....... GET BIZZY!!! (I said, BIZZY -- not -- DIZZY!!)



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com

Los Angeles, CA USA - Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 03:13:13 (MDT)


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Hi Owen, I'm glad you had fun showing off the Hoover to the class! We may have talked about it before, but somehow I didn't realize or remember you have such a large collection. That's just great, and sounds like you've made some great acquisitions recently too!

I'm not sure which Roto-Matic the 860 is, but in the 50s, they usually ran in the $69.95-$89.95 range, I think. What does your Roto-Matic look like? What color is it? While in Portland, we spent a wonderful afternoon at John Lucia's home. He has a grey and yellow Roto-Matic, which I had never seen before. It's very cool.


Stark's does indeed have their own private label Royals. They are just beautiful and I was very tempted to buy one! That was a truly wonderful place to visit. I do have a very nice older Royal upright in my collection though. It doesn't have that large a motor but it does an excellent cleaning and grooming job!

Scott Scott55405@yahoo.com

Minneapolis, MN USA - Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 00:57:27 (MDT)


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I also wanted to know what y'all thought of this auction. Wasn't Stark's one of the places you visited at the Portland convention, or was I thinking of someplace else? I do know I have seen Royal metal uprights with "Stark" printed on the outer bag. They must have sold a LOT of Royals to get them private labeled for them. What If I could have "The Owen Deluxe" put on a Royal for me? Hmm....

Here's the link to the auction.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20615&item=2315236058&rd=1


See what you think. For ten bucks, I think it's a steal.


-Owen

Owen Perkins air_way_guy@wideopenwest.com

Naperville, IL USA - Wednesday, April 09, 2003 at 20:38:50 (MDT)


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Oh, and the paragraphs after the one directly succeeding the "Scott-" heading were to everyone. I realize now that it looks like 3/4 of my post was for Scott alone! I should have another caffeinated beverage so I'm not stoned-tired like I am now.
Owen Perkins air_way_guy@wideopenwest.com

Naperville, IL USA - Wednesday, April 09, 2003 at 20:09:52 (MDT)


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Thanks to all who responded to my questions about the Hoover 475 (on which I am currently waiting for some parts to dry--I spray painted them a few minutes ago) and the GE. I'll get out my Jensen Tools catalog and look up that Henderson bit.

Scott-


I knew I recognized that e-mail address! The Hoover 300 is doing great! It went to school as an artifact for a presentation I did on electrical appliances of the 1930's for my speech class. I HAD to find some excuse to show it off!


I'm wondering now how much a Eureka Roto Matic 860 retailed for when it was new. It seems like it would have been fairly high up in the model range. It's really quiet; I can't stop using it. I need to go over to my boss's shop and find some bags for it. Did that use the K or J bags? By the way, it's pretty cheezy of Eureka to reuse the J designation for the bags on those new uprights they came out with. Why didn't they just do a double-letter thing again? Oh well.


If I can't find any bags for this cleaner, I'll try a Compact bag (I should just try one right now; I'll go do that when I'm done on here) and a GE swivel top bag.


I also bought a Regina Model 50, which came yesterday. It's really quiet, and the cleaner is in perfect shape. For being fifty to sixty years old, the rubber is unbelievable. No cracks at all. What is that large tube inside the bag? I would think it was just a fill tube, except it has a screen shaped into the actual "tube", which is wrapped around by some sort of fiber, like asbestos (oh no, I better not use this vacuum--I might die!), then covered in thick rubber. If it was designed as a muffler or some sort, it certainly worked. This seems like an extremely well-made vacuum. The motor is mounted on thick rubber pads, and there are features that are too "engineered" to be a cheap vacuum. The price sticker on the bottom says that with attachments it retailed for something like $85.00 (I can't remember the exact price--84 something). If I'm not mistaken, didn't Hoover's flagship deluxe go for about that at the time the Regina was made? Wow.


I'm expecting an Electro Hygiene tank soon. Looks like it's from the fifties. That'll be neat. Got a Constellation 444 yesterday along with that Regina. My collection has passed the ninety mark. Somehow, I manage to cram them in.


-Owen

Owen Perkins air_way_guy@wideopenwest.com

Naperville, IL USA - Wednesday, April 09, 2003 at 20:06:54 (MDT)


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For being a VCCC "old-timer" I sure feel like a "late-comer" here, this being my first posting. Charlie Lester, you have done a super job with this website. Thanks for a job well done. Those of you who know me know that I love all the old vacs, always have and always will. You also know that ONE of my great loves is Rexair. I have chanced into the position of becoming the guy Rexair, Inc. refers people who are needing stuff or info on real old models to. I'd like to ask the help of members who might be in the Toledo, Ohio and Syracuse, New York areas in researching former Rexair factories. Rexair, as a division of the Martin-Parry Corp. (also known for truck bodies) operated a state-of-the-art factory located at 1455 West Alexis Road in Toledo. A group of investors calling themselves Ward Industries Corp. took over Martin-Parry in what would today be called a hostile takeover in 1956 solely because they were interested in that factory, which they immediately turned around and sold to General Motors for a huge profit. They had no interest in Rexair or any other Martin-Parry divisions. I would like to know if that factory is still standing, and possibly see modern pictures of it. After the Ward Industries takeover, they promptly moved Rexair production into facilities which they shared with Prosperity Manufacturing Co., which made equipment for the dry cleaning industry, and which was also owned by Ward Industries, at 125 Marcellus Avenue, in Syracuse, New York. After J.V. Sanders (then Rexair Division President) and his associates bought Rexair from Ward Industries in 1959, production was moved to 111 Wyoming Street, also in Syracuse. I have been involved with Rexair for many years, and have found nobody who has even seen so much as a picture of either Syracuse facility. I therefore assume that both were rented "dumps" of which Rexair was not too proud. Would love more info on either of these locations. Rexair left Syracuse when it bought its present facility in Cadillac, Michingan, in 1969. That was a nearly new building of 100,000 square feet at the time, and has been added on to so that it is about four times that size now. Any help I can get on this would be greatly appreciated.
Charlie Watrous, you're doing a super job as our Club President, and to my best friend, Tom Gasko, please give Miss LaToure my best regards.

Clay Floyd CBFloyd4@aol.com

Lenoir, NC USA - Wednesday, April 09, 2003 at 15:39:35 (MDT)


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Tom G.:

Thanks for the Singer info.


I spent Monday and Tuesday afternoons this week in Topeka for a stress test, including treadmill and pictures taken by nuclear camera after my heart rate reached a certain level on the treadmill. I should get the results Friday or Monday and the, if necessary, will consult with a cardiologist.


It has been three years since I'd had such tests; and, since I have Type 2 diabetes, take a beta blocker, and take a diuretic and since I'm 66, my doctor felt I needed to have the stress test again.

Jim Kirby jkirby@thomasunited.com

Emporia, KS USA - Wednesday, April 09, 2003 at 13:48:17 (MDT)


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To Jim Kirby:
Singer vacuums, R-1 through R-5, did NOT come with attachments. The hand cleaner was sold instead. Hence the hand cleaner hose and tools, along with runners for sliding it along the floor.

Singer made quite a few different models. Many of the early uprights were difficult to use with tools, or didn't have as much suction as the Singer hand vac. So people who owned other brands of uprights bought Singer hand cleaners also.


Tom G.

tom g.

USA - Wednesday, April 09, 2003 at 11:35:39 (MDT)


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To Scott-
You're correct, the VCCC conventions have traditionally had a "swap meet" section where cleaners can be bought, sold, and traded. Some of my best finds have come from the convention swap meet. Last year, in Louisville, one of my competition entries (The Regina R-1) was acquired there.


To Michael-

To answer your question on why there is such an abundance of hand vacs (in relatively good condition) here's my theory:

Most of them were probably either offered as premiums (free with purchase of full sized machine) or purchased as gifts, and got relatively little use, compared to their full-sized counterparts. After years of being stuck away in closets and attics, they either end up at garage sales, thrift stores or on ebay when cleaning out "grandma's" estate. Most of the full-sized machines (upright and canister) were probably used until the required replacement (or repair) and parts were no longer available, so they were trashed/dumped. (just a guess)



R. J. Vanik RVanik@aol.com

Bellevue, WA USA - Wednesday, April 09, 2003 at 06:56:36 (MDT)


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Hi everybody! This is my first posting to this forum though I've come to visit and am really enjoying this new site.

Great to see you here too Owen! I think I have sold Owen a cleaner or two in the past, you're a great person!


Past convention attendees please refresh my memory (I have been to one previous) don't we have an area where people can sell or swap cleaners and related items? I have some duplicates I could bring along this year since I am driving distance. If the cleaners went to members I'd know for sure they're going to a good home!


Scott

Scott Scott55405@yahoo.com

Minneapolis, MN USA - Tuesday, April 08, 2003 at 23:18:09 (MDT)


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hello everyone this is great! charlie you've done a wonderful job! we will all have a good times here. marc
marc turbyfill turbydm@aol.com

spokane, wa. USA - Tuesday, April 08, 2003 at 23:14:03 (MDT)


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Michael LaBue:

This afternoon I stopped in a Salvation Army store in Topeka, KS, and found a Singer stick vac. It was mustard green. I believe it was the first Singer stick vac I'd seen.


Later in the afternoon, I stopped in a large second hand store/flea market. Two Singer uprights were there. One appeared 30 or more years old, the other 15-20 years old.


In my collection I have several Singer hand vacs, ranging from H3 to H9. With one I have a complete set of attachments in a carboard tool storage container. The hand vac also has a metal device that the vac can be placed in and then pulled around.

Jim Kirby jkirby@thomasunited.com

Emporia, KS USA - Tuesday, April 08, 2003 at 18:54:52 (MDT)


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I have been noticing on eBay of late, that there are as many as three at-a-time siger hand vacs. some in better shape than others. They almost out number any other vintage hand vac. My question to you all knowlegeble vac friends, why don't we see more of the same vintage singer up-rights, or their companion caniters that were made by Eureka back then?

I will be bringing one of the most complete singer hand vac to the conention this year. I have never seen one so complete. I won't give away what it's like. I'd wrather woo you all with it at the convention. Chalie Calacasola is restoring it for me.

Michael malabue@excite.com

New York , NY USA - Tuesday, April 08, 2003 at 10:56:15 (MDT)


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Mr. Lester,
I have not been on this forum in a week. I sware that the first couple of times I was on, that I had to scroll to the bottom for the most recent post. OH Well! You're probably right, I had my monitor up-side down.


Anything is possible after 50.


Best Wishes


Michael malabue@exite.com

New York, NY USA - Tuesday, April 08, 2003 at 10:52:18 (MDT)


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Wow, Charlie! I'm impressed. I snuck a peek a few weeks ago, but things have changed dramatically since then. Congratulations on a wonderful site. John
John Lucia

Portland, OR USA - Sunday, April 06, 2003 at 21:47:31 (MDT)


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To Owen:
You asked when the Hoover 475 was made. It was the lower priced Model to go along with the 825. 1934 - 1935. The model 300 followed it. The 425, 450, and 475 were the 3 "cheaper" models of the early to mid 1930's.


The word "Special" was used by Hoover several times. In the 1910's, it was used to describe the household sized Hoovers (for instance, the 102 was called the Special, the 103 was the Baby, there was also a Junior and Senior model). In the 1930's through the mid 1950's, the word Special was used to describe the rebuilt machines. Is the housing of your "Special" 475 painted or is it polished? Hoover had different colors that they used at various times when rebuilding older Hoovers. Even the cloth bags were unique for the rebuilt models. I've seen model 700 "Specials" that were polished and had a black bag, some that were painted a kind of 'brown-green' with a bag to match, and some that were painted all brown. It depends upon the years that it was rebuilt.


Tom G.

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USA - Sunday, April 06, 2003 at 07:54:06 (MDT)


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Owen,

I'm glad you found us and please feel free to post anytime. You can be sure that no weird stuff will go on here. We have some great policing.


Congrats on your new purchase. Email a picture so we can all see the new Hoover.


Have a great weekend.

Charlie W. todchaz@aol.com

Charlotte, NC USA - Saturday, April 05, 2003 at 11:28:48 (MST)


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Owen,

Charlie W. todchaz@aol.com

Charlotte, NC USA - Saturday, April 05, 2003 at 11:26:39 (MST)


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To Owen-
Does the opening (slot) on the GE screws look like a cross between an "X" and a figure "8"? If so, then it's called a "Robertson" screw. While it's an unusual screw, it was not exclusive to GE. A Royal upright that I restored recently used the same screws for it's rear bearing.


Sears sells a rachet screwdriver with about 25 different interchangeable heads, including slot, phillips, torx, and robertson. I didn't want to buy yet another screwdriver "kit" for just the robertson heads, when everything else was duplication for me. I was able to find the robertson heads in 3 different sizes at a local full-service hardware store. They fit my rchet screwdriver with no problem. A quick search also turned up a few robertson screwdrivers in different sizes on the internet. Good luck!

R. J.

R. J. Vanik RVanik@aol.com

Bellevue, WA USA - Saturday, April 05, 2003 at 07:01:06 (MST)


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Hello all,

I just received a Hoover 475 Special (factory rebuilt) that I purchased on eBay, and I wondered when it was from. The motor is similar to that on my 300, but the top commutator end bearing is a ball bearing. Without looking, I'm pretty sure the 300's commutator end bearing is a sleeve bearing.


I also today got a General Electric swivel top canister, and was curious as to how to get those screws out that hold the motor in place. The screw holding the bakelite motor cover was just a standard Phillips head, but these are some strange proprietary G-E thing. My boss likely has the special screwdriver around somewhere (his father was a GE dealer, and an early pink swivel top was used under the workbench until about five years ago), but I was wondering if I might be able to improvise so I don't have to borrow a tool from him every time I want to take the thing apart! I was able to blow out the motor and lubricate the top bearing, and it does run better now (it was loud before--dry bearings, I suppose), but those screws intrigued me, especially their removal! I'm glad I didn't really have to get them out, since I would have hated to have to drill them. Did other GE appliances use that screw head? Was that head proprietary to GE, or was it just an uncommon type of head that we don't see today?


Thanks in advance for your answers, and I am really liking this forum. Hopefully the new site will throw riffraff off for a while, and if they do find us, they can quickly be removed! Finally, our prayers are answered.


-Owen

Owen Perkins air_way_guy@wideopenwest.com

Naperville, IL USA - Friday, April 04, 2003 at 18:56:08 (MST)


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Tom,

I thought about starting a vacuum cleaner type theme for future conventions. So on that note, everybody BRING YOUR FAVORITE AIR-WAY! Don Clark was a national sales manager for Air-Way and he would probably love to see some of the old beauties. Thats vacs folks, not us!


I probably will not bring the Mark II 88 since most saw it last year in Louisville and it was on TV. Also I am shipping this year and not driving.


No surprises this year that I am planning. (I cancelled the "Jeffery Dahlmer Bar Crawl" as I thought it might be in bad taste--what a horrible pun!) I had planned to do a remote on the "Today" show but felt everyone should have a year off from the media. So in 2004 I'll try to go national again. Maybe we can do local coverage in Milwaukee. Fred has some connections that may help.


BTW, thanks for your email. I just have not been able to get back to you yet except here. Always assume that no news is good news with me!


Till later, have a great weekend all.

Charlie W. todchaz@aol.com

Charlotte, NC USA - Friday, April 04, 2003 at 15:39:35 (MST)


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It's great to hear that Mike Pletcher will be rejoining the club. Several days ago I talked with Jimmy Martin, who talks frequently to Mike Pletcher; and Jimmy said that he thought Michael was going to rejoin.

Hopefully Tania will succeed in getting Bob Kautzman to rejoin. From the time I first joined the club in 1997, I have talked with Bob from time to time and have learned a lot from him and enjoy my conversations with him. Since I also love music, that is a topic we often discuss.


Just agreed to buy straight several straight suction machines--Apex, Eureka, and Universal--from a vac shop owner in Hope, AR. Am also buying a maroon Westinghouse tank machine from him.

Jim Kirby jkirby@thomasunited.com

Emporia, KS USA - Friday, April 04, 2003 at 15:05:07 (MST)


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To Charlie W.:
I received your mailing about the upcoming VCCC meeting yesterday. I can't believe it's already so close.


Are you going to have any surprises in store for us this year? Last year's surprise was the CBS Sunday Morning News. I really like the fact that you are having a 'show and tell' this year. Stan Kann has agreed to be my 'antique'. I think more than five minutes will be necessary to 'show and tell' Stan's story.


Each meeting just gets better and better. I'm looking forward to seeing everyone this year, and I'm especially looking forward to seeing Tania and our special guest, Don Clark.


Are you encouraging everyone to bring their all time favorite Air-Way model? We did that with Electrolux at the Lenoir meeting and it was a lot of fun.


tom g.

tom g.

USA - Friday, April 04, 2003 at 07:28:43 (MST)


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Terry,

Thanks for your post and telling us about your trip. Michael Thomas, Roger Laquea and Marc Turbyfill are some of the greatest members of the club. I have been able through my flying to see Michael and the weekend of 3/8 I saw Marc in LA at Charlie Lester's Great American Garage Clean-Up Part III. Anyone that could put up with that crowd is okay in my book!


I'm glad you had a chance to get away and play with the vacuums. I spoke with Tania yesterday and she is off to see Michael Pletcher and Bob Kautzman this weekend. Michael has agreed to rejoin the club and she is going to work on Bob. Our "Goodwill Ambassador" at work!


Again thanks for jumping in and posting. Don't be stranger.

Charlie W. todchaz@aol.com

Charlotte, NC USA - Thursday, April 03, 2003 at 06:41:37 (MST)


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Hi to all!! I have just returned from a great get-away. My first stop was in Tucson Az. where I spent some time with club members Roger Le Quea and Michael Thomas. Roger was a great host and has a wonder collection of vacuums that he has restored lovingly to beautiful condition. We hit a lot of thrift shops and found some really neat things. It was so nice to be able to spend time with these two great friends. Next I flew on to Spokane Wa. and spent three days with club member Marc Turbyfill. Marc owns a sewing and vacuum shop there and it was a lot of fun to spend time in his shop. He has a treasure chest of wonderful old machines as well as a great many old parts. It was also fun to be able to play with many of the new vacuums as well. If any of you ever get the chance I highly recommend that you visit his shop. Marc was a wonderful host as well. It was great to be able to spend time with him. We hit a lot of thrift shops and some estate sales which was a lot of fun. It is amazing what wonderful friends I have made through this club. I think that we all need to remember just how blessed we are to belong to such a special family. I am looking forward to seeing everyone at the convention in June. Terry
Terry Lattz tlattz@soltec.net

Danville, Il USA - Wednesday, April 02, 2003 at 21:49:19 (MST)


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A very special Thank-you to Charlie Lester! I have been away for about ten days and just had a chance to see the new home for the VCCC. You have done a wonderful job and I want to thank-you for all of your hard work. Sincerely, Terry Lattz
Terry Lattz tlattz@soltec.net

Danville, Il USA - Wednesday, April 02, 2003 at 21:29:01 (MST)


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Michael, um, the most recent post IS at the top ... unless you have your monitor upside-down!! ;P

~

C



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com

Los Angeles, CA USA - Wednesday, April 02, 2003 at 17:14:51 (MST)


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Charlie,
Not to sound ungreatful, but would it be possible to start with the most recent post at the tip of the site? That was we only have to scroll down to where we last left off.


Best Wishes

Michael malabue@excite.com

New York, NY USA - Wednesday, April 02, 2003 at 11:58:52 (MST)


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Charlie L.
Congratulation on a job well done. This is very well done web-site. I will continue to look forward to posting here as well as finding new and interesting issues to discuss.


As Always

Michael

Michael malabue@excite.com

New York, NY USA - Wednesday, April 02, 2003 at 11:56:29 (MST)


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An update on the Electrolux "1924-2003" CD --- the seller has issued me a complete refund, so he is not at all unscrupulous, just made an honest mistake re the CD's contents, as I had figured. Of course, now the disappointment sets in that I won't be getting all that vintage info!! :(
Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com

Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, April 01, 2003 at 13:20:34 (MST)


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Members: Just a reminder that I will be putting together the newsletter this month for mailing in May. If you have vacs you want to sell/trade or are looking for something, please email it before the end of the month.

Also, yesterday, I mailed out the registration forms for the convention with a copy of the competition rules. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE register ASAP. Huge expenses with the hotel are based on the number of people attending and I/we need a head count SOON. I don't want to keep pestering you'all about this so register when you get the info.


One last thing, I am alerting some of the other vac forums to our address to generate comments and postings.


Till later, best wishes to all


PS-Jim Kirby, yes save me some W handisacs! I got you call and have not had time to breathe lately. I'll be in touch, just be patient and thanks!

Charlie Watrous todchaz@aol.com

Charlotte, NC USA - Tuesday, April 01, 2003 at 13:15:43 (MST)


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Greetings!
Sorry for the delay in writing! The move to Capron, Illinois almost did me in.


A BIG "Thank you" to Charlie Lester. What a wonderful job creating this website!!


Ken Wagman


Ken Wagman kaw6657@aol.com

Capron, Il USA - Tuesday, April 01, 2003 at 11:20:09 (MST)


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Greetings!
Sorry for the delay in writing! The move to Capron, Illinois almost did me in.


A BIG "Thank you" to Charlie Lester. What a wonderful job creating this website!!


Ken Wagman


Ken Wagman kaw6657@aol.com

Capron, Il USA - Tuesday, April 01, 2003 at 11:18:01 (MST)


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Hello, eBay seller ytech-digital is selling CDs entitled "Electrolux Service Repair Manuals 1924-2003." According to the auction description, the CD contains PDF (Adobe Acrobat") files of the actual manuals. That in itself is not quite a factual representation -- what the PDFs files ARE of are of Microfiche or Microfilm of the literature and not the actual materials themselves.

I am one of the buyers of that CD, and posting this "alert" because I was quite dismayed at the actual contents of the CD when I got my copy.


I have looked this CD over very thoroughly. It's clear that someone went to a lot of work to convert all those microfiche files to PDFs. However, there are three big problems.


1. The description "service repair manuals 1924-2003" is totally misleading. There are only a couple of scanned pages for machines from the mid-late 1970s, specifically the late 1205 and L --- but no manuals at all earlier than about 1974. And it was precisely the earlier manuals that I wanted. Where are the materials for Models V, XI, XII, XXX, 20, LX, LXI, E, AE, AF, S, R, and G (1924-1968) ???!


2. Of the "service manuals" that are on the CD, most (if not all) of them are scans of the covers of the manuals only, with the really vital content not there at all.


3. Most of the content of this CD is actually not service MANUALS at all, but periodical service BULLETINS issued by Electrolux (R.I.P.). These are quite different from one another.


And a final nit-pick: How is anyone supposed to make heads or tails of this CD? Couldn't whoever did all this work have named the files and folders something that made sense and actually identified the contents, other than "CAO13E~1" etc????


I am not saying the seller has deliberately mis-represented the CD. In fact, based on his very good feedback I'd be very surprised if that was the case. Perhaps he was not really familiar with what's on it. But it certainly is not what he described it as being and it is totally useless to me.


All that being considered, I did ask him for a full refund (including shipping) on this product. If it was a matter of my misunderstanding what it was, rather than it being incorrectly described, I would just take the disappointment and be done with it.


But this CD is, really, so completely useless that I definitely do feel entitled to a refund. And I did want to let other people know of my disappointment lest they also be considering bidding on this CD.



Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com

Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, April 01, 2003 at 03:08:59 (MST)


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I have just aquired a vintage vac and wanted to know if it had any value. It is a red cannister that says pontiac on it. No hoses or other accessories. It looks very similar to this c1938


Remoco model Z49 that I saw on Paul Linnell's home page. It does have dents dings and scratches. Any help would be appreciated


Glenn Kinzerhaus@hotmail.com

Indy, IN USA - Monday, March 31, 2003 at 17:11:00 (MST)




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Tom,


Relative to posting pix of the Club's machines, that would be great!! If you will email photos and descriptions to me, I'll add the info to the site.


This would be a really nice way to start off the "Members Only" section.


Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com

Los Angeles, CA USA - Monday, March 31, 2003 at 11:14:32 (MST)




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Hi Tom, thanks for your comments.


There -are- ways to trace postings to a forum -- many people are not aware of it, but they leave electronic trails to every single web page they view and it's not all that hard to track them down. (So, yes, those people who patronize "questionable" sites ought to think twice about doing so, especially on company computers.)


It just takes time to do the detective work, and one has to balance time spent vs. the gravity of the offense: Someone posting death threats etc. would be taken very seriously --- but in the case of childish posers who post immature nonsense because their mommies did not teach them good manners, it's a pretty simple matter to just block their I.P.# from accessing the site. I know very well, on a personal basis, how that works....!


There is "administrative" software available to make this tracking process much easier, and that's the software I was wondering if Dave Evans uses and/or is going to sell in connection with selling the domain.


The graphics software purchased for Richard Klein would not be of any use to me, but Charlie Watrous, who is now doing the newsletter, might be able to use it.


The Board members and I did talk about restricting the forum to members only; and we agreed that that seemed, in the end, to be unduly limiting participation in it.


Of the club members who go online for fun (as opposed to using the WWW for work-related activity or not at all), many of them do not post regularly to any of the forums. So after the novelty wears off, this forum would likely have cobwebs hanging off of it because no one would be using it.


Fear not, I am, at least at the start, going to rule this forum with an iron fist. I say that to assure you and others that decorum will be maintained, as well as to advise potential troublemakers not to bother wasting their time.


While I do not participate in the "Vac Forum," I get enough stuff forwarded from it by those who do, to get a general idea of how things seem to get out of hand there on a pretty regular basis. And I can state with confidence that this Forum will not degenerate to that level.


As I said on the Forum "guidelines," if things here "get out of hand," we will either move the Forum to the private Members Only section, or just close it completely. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.


Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com

Los Angeles, CA USA - Monday, March 31, 2003 at 11:11:07 (MST)




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To Charlie Lester:


I'll assume from your comments below that you do not, at this time, have a way of identifying the email address of people who post on our forum. I was very surprised that the forum was open to the public (kind of thought we'd have it '' all to ourselves''). The Vac Web is rife with fake posts and immature people who use foul language. I couldn't bear the thought of our beautiful official club website having this kind of trouble.


Two years ago, the Club bought some software for Richard Klein to use for making the newsletters. I wonder if this software (which cost $200 or more if I remember correctly) would be of any benefit to you for the website? As Richard no longer does the newsletter, and the club owns the software, perhaps it might do to look into this. I don't really know anything about it other than it was purchased and Richard said it helped greatly.


Our club also owns two vacuums that were given to the entire membership. The Commemorative Edition Electrolux, signed by the President of the Company, was given to the club when we toured the factory. Since Electrolux is no longer (They are now part of the Eureka Company as of three weeks ago), it's even more of a collector's item. Mr. Dyson also gave our club a special edition machine. Our Club President has both of them in his possession. Maybe we could add the photo's of the two machines and a story of how they came to be part of our Club, to the history page?


I don't think you've ever seen the black and chrome Electrolux Commemorative Edition, and no one other than a handful of people have ever seen the Club's Dyson.


Just some thoughts.


Tom G.


tom gasko

USA - Monday, March 31, 2003 at 05:37:30 (MST)




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IMPORTANT NOTE:


In order to fully view and utilize the multi-media features of this web site, you to need to have Javascript enabled on your web browser.


Now, those who may be fearful of enabling Javascript, may I please say "fear not." The danger of javascript is grossly over-exaggerated.


This is one case where I'd say people have, by a great degree, over-reacted to the perception of danger. (*) The amount of trouble it would take to write malicious javascript -- and, at that, "malicious" is a relative term : there's really very little mayhem that Javascript could create -- well, the trouble just wouldn't be worth the trouble if that makes any sense.


If your Javascript is indeed disabled, you'll get a Notice at the top of the page in red type. To enable Javascript, follow the instructions in the notice. It's as easy as can be!


Enjoy, and let not your hearts be troubled --- Javascript is NOT at all a big thing to worry about in terms of viewing web content.


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(*) Far more viruses are spread by people who do dumb, or, well, uneducated, things like "clicking HERE" in emails that come from strangers; opening strange-looking attachments even when they have been warned time and time again not do to, etc. etc. etc.......


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C


Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com

Los Angeles, CA USA - Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 20:19:45 (MST)




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Charlie L., I posted a question directed to Dave Evans on the Vac Forum, asking about selling price and whether he would sell just software. I also asked if there were some way to send an e-mail directly to him, rather than post on the Forum, or some other means off-line to contact him.


In his post in red at the top of the Forum, he simply says more information would be forthcoming and asks if anyone would be interested in buying.


Jim Kirby jkirby@thomasunited.com

Emporia, KS USA - Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 15:14:22 (MST)




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VCCC members, please see the "MEMBERS ONLY" page for a very important announcement.


Thank you.


Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com

Los Angeles, CA USA - Saturday, March 29, 2003 at 22:24:04 (MST)




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Oh Charlie Lester! What a fabulous website!! You have done a great job! It's so cool! I will see you soon!


Jim Kirby, I'm sorry i have not yet returned your phone call especially since it was eons ago but i'm kind of bad at that, ask anyone LOL!! I am interested in those vintage Eureka bags you've mentioned. look foward to talking to you on this great new forum! Marty


Martin Rocha mdanielps@apl.com

Palm Springs, CA USA - Saturday, March 29, 2003 at 20:02:55 (MST)




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Jim, re the "VacWeb," did Mr. Evans happen to say how much he is selling the domain for and why he is selling it? I don't want the whole domain, but the club might be able to benefit from his Forum software if he's still using the same deal --- it has a feature that I think we should put into place, where anyone who posts has their email address verified before the post goes through. That obviously won't stop the most determined trouble-makers but it does at least make it possible to trace their source. Would you, or someone, mind asking him about these matters? Thx--


Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com

Los Angeles, CA USA - Saturday, March 29, 2003 at 17:37:20 (MST)




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A few minutes ago I noted that Dave Evans announced today that he will sell VacWeb.com next month. He inquires on the Vacuum Cleaner Forum if anyone there is interested in buying it.


Anyone in the VCCC interested?


Jim Kirby jkirby@thomasunited.com

Emporia, KS USA - Saturday, March 29, 2003 at 12:30:20 (MST)




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Charlie Lester, Charlie Watrous, and all my other good VCCC friends:


What a wonderful experience I had this morning when I found how beautifully the VCCC website had been finished. Charlie Lester, you truly are a gifted person; thanks for using your talents to create this website and forum for us.


Charlie Watrous, thanks to all you are doing for this club as its president. We're all grateful for your leadership and finesse. Although I knew much of your personal history, I enjoyed reading your greeting and autobiographical sketch. I was interested to not that you collect vintage GM luxury cars. I have a 1985 Cadillac Seville that I hadn't driven for awhile that is just about in good working order again.


Jim Kirby jkirby@thomasunited.com

Emporia, KS USA - Saturday, March 29, 2003 at 08:16:21 (MST)




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Thank you Charlie Lester for the FANTASTIC forum.


So glad to be on a forum where there will no bickering, bashing, etc.


By the way, anyone have a attachment storage box for the Hoover Aerodyne they would like to sell?


Again, thanks Charlie for the excellent forum, and all the other club members that made it possible!!


Michael Hays


Michael Hays lewyt4@webtv.net

Greenfield, OH USA - Saturday, March 29, 2003 at 05:26:23 (MST)




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Hi Tom, thanks for your posting.


Yes, I surely do remember the first VCCC meeting at Bob Taber's. I have videotape footage of the first morning when we all gathered -- a room full of happy "sweeper nuts" chattering about old vacuum cleaners. It was like I had met a roomful of clones just like me!


That's in fact only one of two meetings I have been able to attend, the second being the one in Pennsylvania when we saw the collections of Bob Kautzman and Michael Pletcher. (Remember the beauty shop cellar full of stuff...?!)


It's hard for me to get away on weekends -- being a church organist keeps me committed on Sunday mornings especially as hard as it's gotten to find good substitutes.


This year it will be particularly impossible for me to get to the meeting as I have already made plans in June, over the Father's Day weeekend, to attend a family reunion in Virginia to celebrate my dad's 80th birthday. But I'll be there in spirit!


Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com

Los Angeles, CA 90019 - Saturday, March 29, 2003 at 00:44:25 (MST)




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Charlie Lester:


You've done an excellent job. Has it really been 11 years since I first met you at Bob Taber's first VCCC meeting? Wow, where does time go?


Remember that first meeting? All 18 of us.


We were go glad to meet others who shared an interest in old swwepers. Bob was in heaven when he saw the model LX Electrolux box I had for him.


Saw Stan Kann today. Told him about the website. I'm going to bring Stan to the next VCCC meeting in June. It's important that club members get to see and talk with him while we all have the opportunity. We never know what tomorrow brings.


Excellent job, as usual, on bringing our Club into the 21st century. Well done.


Tom G.


tom gasko

USA - Friday, March 28, 2003 at 17:08:24 (MST)




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What a cool site! My parents had a blue and chrome Electrolux when I was a kid, and I loved to sit on top of it and ride around the room while Mom vacuumed!


Greg Stroud

Hampton, VA USA - Friday, March 28, 2003 at 16:22:25 (MST)




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Thanks to all who have been visiting the site, posting to the Forum and for all your kind remarks. It's a joy to see the site "go live" and even more of a joy to see people using it!! --Charlie Lester, vaccc.com's Webmaster


Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com

USA - Friday, March 28, 2003 at 15:44:52 (MST)




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Greetings fellow club members! Isn't this great!!!! This website is fantastic! Kudos to you, Charlie!

Still working on restoring my Hoover model 29. Looking for difficult to find original cloth bag if anyone out there has one! Also looking for a complete tool set with cardboard caddy for Hoover model 63. Please email if anyone out there has one!

Both Hoover models 63 and 29 are among my favorites. I think the designs and colors of both machines are great and I find that cleaning ability is superior to vacuums that are made today! I'm certain that many of you agree!

Looking forward to replies from all of you on this forum!

Again, many thanks to Charlie Lester!


Kenny Lawrence

Kenny Lawrence KLawre6677@aol.com

Las Vegas, NV USA - Thursday, March 27, 2003 at 23:26:29 (MST)




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I have only just started to view this site, and am VERY impressed!! Mr Lester you are the best, and our club is so very fortunate to have someone like you as a member. I am proud to be a member of the VCCC, and look forward to all that this website will offer all of us.


Chuck Chatham wetastow@webtv.net

Lock Haven, Pa USA - Thursday, March 27, 2003 at 21:02:50 (MST)




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Have some Style W Hoover handsacs bags and access to a few more if anyone is looking for these. Can also obtain dispoable bags for other older Hoovers or Eurekas.


Jim Kirby jkirby@thomasunited.com

Emporia, K USA - Thursday, March 27, 2003 at 20:46:43 (MST)




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Does anyone here have a Eureka Model K or Eureka Model G he or she would like to sell or trade?


Jim Kirby

Jim Kirby jkirby@thomasunited.com

Emporia, USA - Thursday, March 27, 2003 at 20:31:59 (MST)




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Hi everyone. I am desparately looking for some parts for my 1936 Kenmore (bug-eye) Imperial Automatic, or even better yet, a complete machine. Thanks


Bernie Mehlbaum truckerx1@yahoo.com

Harrisburg, PA USA - Thursday, March 27, 2003 at 18:13:55 (MST)




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Charlie Lester thank you once again for coming up with a great website. I am sure this will turn out in being a great success just like your website is.

Charlie Watrous thank you for for keeping a great club going. Good Luck with the new website.


Charlie Calcasola vacman1961@aol.com

Deer Park, NY USA - Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 21:01:27 (MST)




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Hi again, just a reminder that this is YOUR website! In order to make it interesting and diverse for everyone, solicitations are greatly encouraged. The "Members Only" section, once we start getting submissions, will contain photo galleries of members' collections, get-togethers, wish lists, for-sales, whatever you want. I can't stress enough how important your submissions will be to the success of this site. THANKS! -- Charlie Lester, Webmaster


Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com

Los Angeles, CA USA - Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 02:54:01 (MST)




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Hello to everyone from your club treasurer.

dave olsen dav36@earthlink.net


Portland, OR USA - Monday, March 24, 2003 at 22:29:44 (MST)




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Thanks Charlie, the website is fabulous so far!


Fred Stachnik/Tania Voigt Derf82@aol.com

Milwaukee, WI USA - Monday, March 24, 2003 at 19:35:41 (MST)




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Greeting members! Well finally the moment is upon us and we have our own website. This is dream come true for many of us and I want to say THANK YOU to Charlie Lester for his creativity and professionlism.

Please remember, no attacking members or visitors with differing opinions. Unlike other vacuum forums, I as well as strategic others, will be monitoring what goes on. The plug will be pulled on anyone who resorts to name calling, bashing, insulting, etc. We waited long enough and now lets ENJOY!

I look forward to reading your entries as word gets around. We are a respected formidable group now.

So, heard any good things about vacuums these days?


Charlie Watrous

President VCCC

Charlie Watrous todchaz@aol.com

Charlotte, NC USA - Monday, March 24, 2003 at 13:25:31 (MST)




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Hi, and welcome to the VCCC Forum! I hope you have a great time and have many stimulating discussions!


-- Charlie Lester, Webmaster

Charlie Lester info@vaccc.com

Los Angeles, CA USA - Monday, March 24, 2003 at 12:44:59 (MST)




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