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Anyone interested in a Kirby Model 515?
A lady sent me an e-mail tonight saying she has one in good working condition with the original instruction manual, signed and dated August 16, 1955. I sent a reply to her, indicating I'd check among club members to see if any were interested and asking what price she wanted for it?
Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Wednesday, December 31, 2003 at 20:11:03 (MST)
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Happy New Year.
Had an interesting health event in November. I now have two medicated stents in my left anterior descending coronary artery (the Widow Maker). I am too young for this! Anyway, everything else looks good in there. I feel like Jack Nicholson).
Here is a pic taken today of me in the tux and my G3 -- Happy New Year!
http://www.downtownbenson.com/newyear
Mark Goodall
Omaha, NE USA - Wednesday, December 31, 2003 at 13:14:02 (MST)
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Re my earlier posting about eBay crap, case in point: (And such a deal at $199.00)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2369250516&category=43524
Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Saturday, December 27, 2003 at 12:19:53 (MST)
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Happy Holidays to all!!!!
To Louis: What a sharp looking newsletter!!! Thanks to you and to all the guys for the hard work put into it. It looks great!!!
Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Friday, December 26, 2003 at 20:31:15 (MST)
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MORGAN, congrats on your AF find -- it's a really lovely vacuum cleaner. You may enjoy my web page on the AF if you haven't seen it -- check out http://www.137.com/af; and of course all my other vacuum cleaner pages listed on my web site portal at http://www.137.com.
In other news, eBay had "free listing day" today and it surely shows. Ton after ton of crap and junk have hastily been dumped into their site.
There's one person, apparently a vac shop proprietor, who has listed -- in ONE day -- more than 4,700 listings most of them duplicates of stuff like bags and belts. I'd sure love to be a fly on the wall to see the guy's "face get broke" when, after spending what surely must have been hours of work, eBay pulls all those auctions for violating their duplicate listing policy...
Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Friday, December 26, 2003 at 18:35:50 (MST)
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Merry Christmas Everyone!!!
Santa was good to me. I recieved a Model AF Electrolux, LX Electrolux as well as a Royal Pony... or I guess that what it is. Model 401. Will be looking for someone to replace bearings and brushes in the Electrolux AF and some guidance on rebuilding the LX. The Bag ejector seems to be in working order. The motor sounds good on it.
Next I will have to buy a bigger house... running out of room...
Also just a note to Louis on a GREAT LOOKING NEWSLETTER!!!! Good things are always worth waiting for.
Morgan
Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Thursday, December 25, 2003 at 18:46:59 (MST)
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Hello All!
Just wanted to take a minute and add my praise to Louis for a newsletter well done, it looks great!
I also hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas. Santa is a pretty sharp cookie, under my tree was a portable step-up transformer! I can now run my British and Australian Hoovers and not have to have my house re-wired! Since this is portable, I'll probably be bringing international Hoovers to the Convention. A British Hoover Senior may look like just another Convertible, but the sound and construction are MUCH better.
Merry Christmas from Chicago!
Jeff
Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Thursday, December 25, 2003 at 17:47:35 (MST)
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Greetings Members
Ok, you may not remember the guy from columbus,ohio! I did enjoy the Convention and
have talked it up to friends and family. I am
not the person to be active in the forum but just
had to write when I heard about the Hoover collection in North Canton. I do hope there is
someone or something to keep it together. It is one
of my favorite Ohio places to visit. Oh! if we
could only have our own place to keep and display
and acquire all those vacs!
Having owned a Vacuum sales and service in the 80's
I have owned, rebuilt and repaired all of those
wonderfull Hoovers of the past! I grew up with
Kirby and Lux and gather them for my current collection (if only I could have stored all those
from my past!)
Currently acquired a Kirby Heritage II in perfect
condition-dose any one have an instruction book??
Your discussion of Hoover 27 and 28 bring memories
of my childhood, as several of my aunts had those models and I used to know every detail!
At any rate this appliance housewares show sounds
quite interesting, especially if it is going to be
in Lancaster Ohio (if I understand correctly) As
Lancaster is only 18 miles south of Columbus. So
if anyone is passing thru be sure to contact me.
I would like to visit with all of you again. I can
hardly waite for June and Chicago.
My best to all of you in the New Year!
Norm Brown
Norm Brown
Columbus, Oh USA - Thursday, December 25, 2003 at 16:23:19 (MST)
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Hello To All:
Thanks for doing such a great job Louis. The news letter was awsome.
To Bernie:
I notice in the pics you have your Kenmore Imperial up and Running that's great. Bernie if you don't mine send me a pic of it. Would love to see a close up pic of it.
To Everyone:
I'm wishing all of you a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year. i hope 2004 is everyone's year.
Skip
Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Thursday, December 25, 2003 at 11:31:54 (MST)
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I'll add my accolades to Louis et al for the last newsletter. Great job! And RJ, your repair series is excellent. Very interesting and well done.
And now, may I say to all of you that I hope your holiday SUCKS!!! ;P
Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 16:54:12 (MST)
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Hello everyone! I got my newsletter yesterday and read it this morning and really enjoyed it. Louis did a great job! I enjoyed reading the story of Scott and Roger and I and our "mini-convention" back in July. We hope to get together again in March (when the weather is much better).
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all of you and I hope to see you in Chicago next year!
Michael
Michael Thomas
Phoenix, AZ USA - Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 12:01:13 (MST)
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PS--I am almost certain that today is Fred Stachnik's 21st birthday. I'm not sure how often he reads the forum but on behalf of the club I wanted to wish him:
A very HAPPY BIRTHDAY. Boy, to be 21 again. (But only with what I know today).
Have a great day Fred and best wishes.
Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, nc USA - Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 07:20:03 (MST)
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Charlie L. and Tom (and anyone who wants to jump in):
I have both the Hoover 27 and 28. It seems to me that the 27 is slightly quieter and easier to operate. It just hums along doing a beautiful job.
Now if memory serves me right, they both have the same motor with the same number of fan blades. Right? Could it just be previous usage that makes one more favorable than the other? Both have brand new original Hoover horse hair brush strips. The 28 has the original bag while the 27 has a correct Hoover replacement bag.
Any comments? I do prefer to use the 27 over the 28 because of it's quiet, gliding operaton.
Charlie W.
Charl;otte, NC USA - Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 07:16:37 (MST)
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A very BIG thank-you to Louis and everyone else who had a part in the Newsletter. Mine arrived today and it was so much fun reading through it. All of you did a wonderful job of pulling this all together. I would also like to take this opportunity to wish all of you out there a Very Merry Christmas. Terry
Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Monday, December 22, 2003 at 21:37:55 (MST)
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To Charlie Lester:
The biggest problem with the 150 Hoover's automatic height adjustment is that you were NOT supposed to have the machine running when the lever was pushed. The machine HAD to be OFF in order for it to work properly. Otherwise, the suction would pull the nozzle to the carpet and make the adjustment mechanism give a false setting.
To Jeff Parker:
Maytag also wants to close the North Canton plant permanently. They are NOTHING about history, only profit.
Whent the club visited the plant in North Canton ten years ago, they had a room called the 'vaults' that had not only all the hoovers, but also all the competitive machines they EVER tested against the Hoover (like a Frantz Premier), etc. I can't imagine that the historical center's vacuums would be 'thrown in the trash'. Tom Anderson would have a fit.
But I do believe that very soon, Hoover will have nothing but pictures of their 'old' models. The actual machine will either be donated to the Smithsonian or other museum (or perhaps put on Ebay). It's a really sad day for vacuum cleaener collectors when the 'best' vacuum from Hoover is the 'V2' failure. Almost makes you want to cry, doesn't it? At least my 1916 Old Style Special model will always have a home.
tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Monday, December 22, 2003 at 07:28:06 (MST)
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I was "chastised" in a private email:
=-> The 27 and 28 DID have a height adjustment lever; the 305 did not. The height adjustment lever for the 27 and 28 was located UNDERNEATH the machine at the rear wheels (just like on the model 61). The instruction book for both the 27 & 28 show the user, with the machine in operating position, pushing down on the back part of the hood (to raise the nozzle) and with the other hand reaching underneath the machine to turn the adjustment lever to lock the rear wheels into their proper position. <-=
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Well, I am the first to admit I am no expert on Hoovers --- I was only going by my experience with using these machines. I did not ever recall seeing the height-adjuster thing and never have had anyone show it to me.
I don't think it was TOO bizarre an assumption to believe that these models had, or purported to have, some sort of automatic height adjuster since there was none apparent.
I do hope that other people will please feel free to post corrections to the forum when I - or anyone else for that matter - have misspoken. That's how we all learn about old machines, especially ones that we don't particularly "specialize in."
Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 16:38:45 (MST)
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It's a Eureka . . .
I forgot to mention that the maroon tank machine in the post below is a Eureka.
Jim
Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 13:15:56 (MST)
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Holiday greetings from the Heartland!
This past week I acquired from a second hand dealer a vintage maroon tank type cleaner. It is a Model W-75, has two wheels under the tank near the back, and a body made apparently from cardboard. The machine has a cloth hose. The only attachments I got were a wand and a floor brush. Is this machine pre-World War II or post-World War II, say from the mid or late forties or early fifties?
On a Santa Claus note, I had the privilege this past Wednesday of serving as Santa Claus for a party for 125 Head Start and Even Start children. It was sponsored by the Lions Club I'm a member of and co-sponsored by the Retired Teachers Assn. and the Jaycees. It was very heart warming to have each of the 125 children sit briefly on Santa's lap. The Jaycees, Retired Teachers, and Lions provided a gift for each child. Many of the children, usually from age 3 to 5, were Hispanic. I speak a bit of Spanish and tried to speak some Spanish to each of those children. They seemed to light up when Santa spoke to them in Spanish.
Best wishes to all for a happy Hanukkah and Christmas season.
Jim Kirby
Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 13:12:27 (MST)
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Some sad news here just in time for Christmas, and I may well go into mourning for this one: I recieved word this past week that as of January 1, 2004 The Hoover Historical Center, as well as all of the Hoover-owned land around it will be donated to Walsh University, whose campus is across Easton Street from the HHC. The property was not sold to the University, but donated by the "esteemed" Maytag corp. No word yet on the fate of the HHC(or its contents)only that the Center will close December 31 for the month of January. This is a normal event, as January is when the previous displays are taken down and new are set up. I can't imagine that a private university would want to try its hand at running a vacuum museum, but I could be wrong and stranger things have happened.
I feel sorry ofr those in North canton, Maytag didn't exactly have a banner year, and they've cut stuff all over. Hoover seems to have been hit especially bad, they've closed the Industrial Park plant and hung a FOR SALE sign outside. Now everything that is still made in Ohio(Canisters, Steam Vacs, Commercial Cleaners, and one Elite line) comes from the main factory.
Here's to hoping Maytag gets their S**T together in 2004, and that Hoover hangs around long enough to have a 100th anniversary in 2008.
Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Sunday, December 21, 2003 at 10:18:26 (MST)
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=-> Hoover Model 28. You had them as twins Now I would like to find the owners manual...HINT HINT... <-=
Well, keep your eyes on eBay! I don't have a 28 manual myself or I would have included it with the set.
It's really a terrific vacuum cleaner isn't it. I am torn between which of the Dreyfuss early machines (150, 25, 26, 27, 28 & 305) I like better. The 150 is the most stylish, and had the "mysterious" housing made of the new wonder-material, light-weight magnesium.
But it had a feature that worked better in conception than reality and that was the automatic height adjuster wherein you'd start the machine, press a triangular-shaped lever at the rear corner of the base the machine that forced the agitator down onto the rug. When you let go of the spring-loaded lever, the idea was that the suction of the machine would be powerful enough to keep the rug plate against the rug.
However, it only worked on carpets of average thickness. A thin rug did not have enough pile to "grab onto" the nozzle and hold it down, and thick-pile rugs had too much. The machine would just bog down like a lawnmower in waist-high grass, especially on high speed, with its 12-blade fan!
Then, the 28 had no height adjustment at all -- another feature that was pretty much a flop. The idea was that the machine was balanced on spring-loaded rear wheels so as to ride at the proper height AUTOMATICALLY on any pile. Wrong! Again, it only worked properly on "average" rugs.
The only one of his machines that really worked on all piles was the 25. Its "active" (as opposed to passive) thumb-screw rug height adjuster made it a much more efficient machine, easier to use, but nowhere nearly as beautiful as its sisters, especially the 150.
(Saying this, I do keep in mind that I have never owned a 27 or 305 but I do believe that they also had no active rug-adjuster, probably in the interest of having no exposed knobs or levers.)
I also liked the original 150 bag. It was very big and fat and bulbous in the middle ----- a very "streamline" long-oval shape that's reminiscent of the Zeppelin, only fatter -- fatter, even, than the huge bag on the commercial 913! It really gave the machine a great look. It's hard to find an original 150 bag, now, of course. But you'll know it when you see it -- at the point of its largest diameter at the center of the bag, it's about a foot in diameter!
What I mean is, it was not a tapered or angular bag like the Kirbys and later Hoovers -- where the top part of the bat is actually square or rectangular shaped -- the 150 bag is fat, and rounded off at the top where the metal bag clamp goes on. Really, a fabulous-looking bag!
I am sure all the True-Blue Hoover Nuts in the club know all about this topic, far more than me ---- I'm really a Hoover lightweight in terms of knowing models and details. But I have, at one time or another, had several of the Dreyfuss machines (all except the rare 27 and the 305), and they are my favorite Hoovers ---- to me, they're most beautiful of them all. In terms of pure design aesthetics, it was downhill from the 29. (Now, I know I am gonna probably gonna get some heat for that remark ... easy up pals, it's just MY opinion and not engraved-in-stone gospel!!)
The 29, 60 series, and early Convertibles do have their own sort of visual appeal (some of these are also Dreyfuss designs) --- especially to 1950s & early 60s "baby boomers" who remember actually seeing them in action --- but it's more the over-the-top "space age" ("Populuxe") design concept as opposed to the more refined and genteel Machine age aesthetic. And, as regards Hoovers, the Machine Age cleaners are the ones that appeal to me the most!
How's that for a nice Hoover blab from an Electrolux/Kirby nut!! :)
Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Saturday, December 20, 2003 at 22:40:29 (MST)
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Charlie,
Hoover Model 28. You had them as twins and I only purchased one. And very happy with it. The hose did not carry suction, so at the convention I was able to pick a vinyl hose that fit. So I can play with it. Now I would like to find the owners manual...HINT HINT...
Morgan
Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, wI USA - Saturday, December 20, 2003 at 12:44:44 (MST)
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Hi Morgan,
Which vacuum of mine did you win on eBay? I've listed a fair number of them and don't recall. It's always good to know where they ended up; and I hope whatever one it was, you're happy with it.
Seasons Cheers to everyone!
Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Saturday, December 20, 2003 at 11:07:11 (MST)
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Morgan,
I received the nice note from you in the mail yesterday. Thank you very much, I enjoyed meeting you this past June and I hope to see you next year in Chicago!
I hope everyone has a good holiday.
Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Saturday, December 20, 2003 at 08:01:49 (MST)
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Charlie,
Thanks for you last Post to the Forum. I want to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas and the Best for the New Year.
I joined this club knowing very little about it. Charlie Lester had a vacuum for sale on Ebay and he introduced me to the Club.
Then it was my great privilage to be able to come to the Convention in Milwaukee and get to meet some great new people. I made a lot of friends and learned a lot about a strong passion of mine,,, Vacuum Cleaners!!!
I again want to say Thanks to You and the Board and all the fine folks I met at the convention. It has been a great year for me and looking forward to a Great 2004 in the VCCC
Morgan
Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Friday, December 19, 2003 at 21:23:03 (MST)
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Dave Olsen said,
=-> There were donations received which partially covered our costs of setting up the website, but NO continuing fund has been appropriated to pay the ongoing costs of the site. <-=
Right. Well, lest anyone labor under the misconception that this web site is sucking the treasury dry, the only ongoing expense, as far as I know, is the monthly hosting fee of $17.95 per month, and the annual domain name renewal of $35/ year (which, if I recall correctly, was registered for several years and will not become due anytime soon).
Once the initial site was designed, created and uploaded and I was paid a very competitive rate for my services, I have, since then, been donating any additional time and work entailed in maintaining the site. And there is a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes including answering email queries [more of them than you probably think...!], archiving old posts, keeping an eagle-eye on the forum, etc.
So, for these very moderate expenses, one would hope there is plenty of cash in the treasury to cover them.
Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Friday, December 19, 2003 at 16:51:27 (MST)
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Dear Members and Friends,
Now with the holidays upon us I would like to take this time to wish everyone Season's Greetings and I wish you health, happiness and prosperity for 2004.
My goal for us in 2004 is to "spin to the positive". In spite of occasional negativity popping up, this is a wonderful group and it is a priviledge to be your President.
Let's focus on all the good things about the club, members and vacuum cleaners that brings us together in our unusual pursuit of vintage cleaning devices.
The club is a diverse group with so much talent, varied interests and a passion for collecting. Hopefully we can start the New Year with goodwill towards each other and peace.
Again, my best wishes to all.
Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Friday, December 19, 2003 at 13:03:28 (MST)
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Re: Vac Club Website Fund
There were donations received which partially covered our costs of setting up the website, but NO continuing fund has been appropriated to pay the ongoing costs of the site.
Dave Olsen, Treasurer
Dave Olsen
Palm Springs, CA USA - Friday, December 19, 2003 at 01:16:43 (MST)
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Memebers:
Thank you all for your comments. In the last 7-10 days it seems that club has become energized about the newsletter. Let's keep the energy going as it ultimately benefits our club.
Thank you to Louis for following through. I'll admitt, there was some question on my part, the Board and the membership at large as to whether you would deliver the newsletter. We can all now take a collective, "whew!", and again, say THANKS!
Also, thanks to those who jumped up to the plate to help out ie: Tom Gasko, David Mick, Jimmy Martin, David Olsen, Marty Rocha, Fred Stachnik and R. J. Vanik.
It was thought by the Board and myself that we would be doing a much needed newsletter and folks just named volunteered in a number of different ways.
The Board will be examining newsletter production and the roles of the yet to be re-formed "Newsletter Committee".
I thank all of you for your patience and again, say I am sorry that there was a delay. Many of us are working to make sure this gap between newsletters does not happen again.
With all of this said and a newsletter in route, we can all now focus and the joy of the holidays and good cheer to men and women.
I will keep you posted on future developments. Best wishes to all.
Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Wednesday, December 17, 2003 at 07:18:39 (MST)
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Thank you so much Prudence for saying it all so well!! I agree with you. We have so many great individual in this club and so many put forth so much for all our enjoyment. Congratulations Louis and everyone else who are working so hard on getting everything set up for the newsletter. This is no small job and I for one appreciate all your effort. Terry
Terry Lattz
Danville, Il USA - Tuesday, December 16, 2003 at 21:55:52 (MST)
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OF SPECIAL INTEREST TO MEMBERS IN THE OHIO AREA:
I rec'd the following email today ---
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Hello Vacuum Cleaner Collectors:
I am the curator of an exhibit that will take place at the Decorative Arts Center of Ohio in Lancaster, Ohio from May through Labor Day next year. The exhibit will be about appliances in Ohio. Working title is Ohio Originals: Artful Appliances. We will feature appliances of all types designed, manufactured, sold and used in Ohio. Ohio has a rich history in design and manufacturing. Altho focus will be on the decorative arts aspects of the appliances, we will also touch upon the history of manufacturing, social and economic changes in household technologies and products. Text panels, artifact labels and installation graphics will attempt to tell a large story with layers of meaning.
Collectors of fan and toasters are coming forward to offer products for loan.
As you know better than anyone, Ohio has been a center for vac production for the past 100 years. I'm a collector myself and have an AirWay or two I'll put into the display. The Hoover Company has been very helpful in providing photographs, videos and products. Other collectors have offered a few products by Apex. Many of you have no doubt been involved in exhibits in the past. I hope that you will be able to help me as I develop this concept. I am looking for items such as the following:
* Artifacts-appliances, furniture, room décor.
* Letters from individuals describing work conditions or appliances' effect on their lives
* Advertising ephemera
* Designer renderings, engineering plans, patent drawings
* Employee newsletters
* Photos of
- people working in factories
- people using appliances in their homes
- retail: sales people: peddlers, wholesalers, general stores
- factories, corporate buildings and streetscapes
- utility company displays at country fairs
- home service/home economist instructors
- consumer studies, product testing
* Documents: sales receipts, company records about sales or product development
* Maps
- Nodes of Ohio cities- immigration, industrialization
- Ohio manufacturers: who made what where when WHY-natural resources, labor pool
- Power grid: Spread of electricity in Ohio, Rural Electrification
* Room set of things made in Ohio: Anchor Hocking, Rubbermaid, textiles, dinnerware, pottery, cookware to amplify the context of a local kitchen in use.
* Media
* TV monitors showing industrial films, advertisements, oral histories
* Website and on-site interactives: journaling, oral histories, guessing games
* Handouts for general public
* Teacher's packets
Looking forward to hearing from your members. Thank you in advance.
Vicki Matranga
IDSA Design History section member, has been studying industrial design history for more than a decade. Since 1992 Design Programs Coordinator at International Housewares Association (Housewares Design Center, annual student design competition), author (America at Home: A Celebration of Twentieth-Century Housewares), lecturer, media spokesperson, independent curator. Industrial design consultant to The Alliance of Art and Industry: Toledo Designs for a Modern America, catalogue and exhibition at the Toledo Museum of Art in 2002; exhibit then traveled to Columbus, OH and San Francisco
Vicki Matranga
Design Programs Coordinator
International Housewares Association
6400 Shafer Court Suite 650
Rosemont, IL 60018
phone: 847-692-0136
fax: 847-292-4211
vmatranga@housewares.org
www.housewares.org
2004 International Home & Housewares Show
formerly International Housewares Show
New Dates: March 20-22
New Days: Saturday -- Monday
Same Location: McCormick Place, Chicago
register at www.housewares.org
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Charles Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Tuesday, December 16, 2003 at 20:36:04 (MST)
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Tom Gasko said,
=-> Our Website expense has been great - and has taken money from the budget we normally use for newsletters. <-=
Monsieur President, Esteemed Board Members ... Is that the case? I thought that a special fund was set up for the web site and that its costs were at least in part underwritten by special donations from certain club members.
Charles Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Tuesday, December 16, 2003 at 20:28:01 (MST)
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Congratulations, Louis! It sounds like a real labor of love, and it will be much appreciated.
Like many members, I joined the VCCC because of the great people I'd met who are part of it--notably Charlie Watrous, Michael LaBue, Tania Voight, and of course, the endlessly talented Chuck Chatham. I'd give a lot to have a fraction of their goodwill and élan vital, and bet a Bosch that deep down, some other folks here would, too. I don't want to see fellow club members maligned or insulted, most especially those who have stewardship of the club. I post this in their support and defense, and hope that the spirit of the season can get to the Midwest real soon and spend some quality time in a certain sweeper store there.
Peace & kreplach,
Prudence
Prudence McC.
Le Stix, PA USA - Monday, December 15, 2003 at 23:19:03 (MST)
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To all club members!
Good things are worth waiting for! The newsletter is being mailed on Thursday, December 18. I am not even going to acknowledge or comment on any of the negative comments below about the newsletter. This a major undertaking and I had encountered several problems with the template both early on and during the process. For some reason or another, many of the pictures became corrupt and likewise corrupted several spreads which had to be re-worked. It also took many hours to sift thru tons of pictures. Some were not usuable and I had to sift thru pictures of people's feet, stomachs, and you name it! I have taken care of the glitches and the hiccups! So, wait until you receive the newsletter before you pass judgement.
I realized fairly early on in the process that it was not going to be easy to "route" the newsletter in all it's phases to those who had offered their help. There was simply no easy way to track the changes that would have been made by all interested parties. So, I had to bear the burden alone. And I did not mind. That being said.
Now that the template is built, I will anticipate your articles and points of interests for the next newsletter which I am about to begin.
Charlie W. and I will discuss a cut off date for pictures and articles for this next newsletter. The materail that doesn't make the cut off will appear in the next newsletter. Please remember that when writing an article use simple language, avoid parenthesis, use simple/common fonts, write in complete sentences, and, etc.. I think you all get the picture.
Happy Holidays to all!
Louis
Louis R.
Madison, CT USA - Monday, December 15, 2003 at 23:00:08 (MST)
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To Chuck C.:
You are obviously ill-informed and 'out of the loop'.
The newsletter committee formed at the last meeting. I, Mark Tomey, and Louis R. were to put together the newsletter. I wrote my articles and sent them to Louis - who dropped the ball for everyone. Don't know if Mark ever did write an article or not, never heard from him.
The newsletter is currently being put together in order to get it mailed and out to members BEFORE Christmas. It will be a large, double issue with articles, pictures from the past convention, cleaning contest results, vacuum cleaner puzzles, etc.
Jimmy Martin has written several articles for the current issue - so you need not lose sleep over fretting whether or not he will contribute anything.
Since the members WILL - in fact - Receive a double issue of the newsletter THIS year (2003), we should all (including YOU) concentrate on getting our 2004 dues into the club treasurer by the end of January. Our Website expense has been great - and has taken money from the budget we normally use for newsletters.
Of course, if you wish to write an article for the newsletter, please do so. It does need to be on vacuum cleaners (as opposed to flower arranging, for example).
tom gasko
festus, mo USA - Monday, December 15, 2003 at 10:22:50 (MST)
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Members,
Just so expectations are clear and there will be no disappointments, the January issue will be a "standard" issue. Black and white versus color was disucussed at the Milwaukee convention and the costs to the club.
Dues will continue as always: $25.00 from calender year starting January 2004 to December 2004. Every attempt will be made to issue and mail 4 quarterly newsletters.
Anyone who would like to step up to the plate as "managing editor" is welcome by all. Anyone who would like to cover the cost of color is too, welcomed by all.
When pointing a finger of blame at someone, remember, 3 fingers are pointing toward the accuser.
Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 08:57:24 (MST)
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Dear Members
My, My, My, Those last few posts about the newsletter (or lack of) are quite something. Why is it that some feel the need to lynch the president? We had someone volunteer to do the newsletter, and for whatever reason that has not happened.... SOOOOO now the board, directed by President Watrous, is putting together one for early January. Maybe the reason we have not yet seen one for the Fall/Winter, is lack of articles provided by members!?!?!
I will be submitting an article, and trust that we will see one from Festus, and also from Elizabethton! Should I call to remind anyone else?
Could we discuss the "Dues" at a later date, as I need to get busy with my newsletter article, trim the house, shop for gifts, wrap those gifts, do the food shopping, wash some laundry, assist customers, check incoming inventory, finish some vacuum repairs, and "have a life"..... OR we can do it now.
Have a GREAT holiday,
Chuck
(VCCC Board member)
Chuck Chatham
USA - Friday, December 12, 2003 at 22:45:01 (MST)
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Jimmy Martin, a long-time member of VCCC and a good friend, asked that I post this memo from him.
Jim Kirby
To President, Board, and Members of VCCC:
It has been interesting to see that, to put it simply, this newsletter has bewen miseed and now there will be another. However, it seems to me that a new attitude toward the newsletter has developed in recent months that needs to be examined.
It seems that some seem to feel that, since some members do not have a computer, the club will have to endure the time, trouble, and expense to put information on paper, work with printers, and go to the post office.
Maybe we should consider how different the homes with computers are from those without. When a computer comes into a home, are all books discarded? Does a home with a computer no longer have magazines on the coffee table about cars, architecture, history, or other subjects of interest? Does a member with a computer no longer look at a real newspaper for information about his area? Does a home with a computer no longer have art on the walls? After all, with a click of the mouse, one can view art works from around the world. Have the members with computers discarged their school yearbooks after converting them to the latest microchip? Why would a member with a computer even want more than one real vacuum in his home when he can see images of vacuums on his screen?
I feel that a more correct attitude is that all members want a newsletter on schedule in addition to the website. These newsletters should continue to have information on club events, members and collections, items to sell and trade, but mostly on a variety of vacs and different periods of their history with illustrations.
One thing that should be covered now is one of the highlights of the Milwaukee meeting. We were fortunate to see three wonderful yet different collections.
At Stan's we saw many uprights and hand vacs from the 20s, 30s, and 40s. This showed how the vacuum went from primitive beginnings to more modern times.
Tania showed a variety of canisters from the 50s, which may have been their finest era.
At Fred's we saw a collection focusing on Hoovers of the 60s, which most of us remember well.
These members deserve recognition such as two pages of color pictures. With the current bank balance, this should be possible. Anyone who was not there deserves the chances to hold a newsletter, turn the pages, and see words and pictures describing this.
I feel that every member has felt that the newsletter was important and, whether they have received one or a dozen, has kept and field them with original vacuum literature.
To sum up, the two ways of looking at this issue are--
1. Because a few members are too ___________ _______________ (fill in word of your choice) to have a computer, we will have to mail something.
2. All members want a newsletter delivered in a timely manner with vacuum history and information.
Perhaps when we decide which of these most accurately describes the feeling of most members, we will have a better newsletter and a better club.
As always I can be found by licking a stamp or touching the phone buttons.
Jimmy Martin
520 East E Street
Elizabethton, TN 37643
Phone: 423-543-7900
Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Friday, December 12, 2003 at 17:04:07 (MST)
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To Charlie W.:
I'll assume that members who are current on their 2003 dues, will not be asked to pay additional dues for 2004 until AFTER the double-issue of the newsletter is received. We, the normal club members, expect 4 newsletters per year (with the exception that there can be a DOUBLE issue for the fall/winter) and that's what I'll assume all club members who pay their dues expect.
Looking forward to seeing the double issue in January and THEN your instructions for paying our 2004 dues.
tom gasko
festus, mo USA - Friday, December 12, 2003 at 11:58:41 (MST)
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Dear Members:
I know most, if not all of you have been wondering where the newsletter is. I have too!
Due to some unexpected editorial problems, the board and myself are taking over publication of the next issue which should be sent in the first half of January 2004.
In that issue, in my column, I will address what we have decided to do about the newsletter and how you, the members, will be able to help us.
The newsletter will continue to be published and sent to all dues paying members. Many of our members are not online and this is their connection to our club.
I apologize that you have not received a fall or winter issue. As in any organization or club, things do not always go as planned and then contingency plans must be put in place until the problem is "fixed".
Thank you for your continued patience. We WILL have an issue to you after the holidays. It is in the works even as I write this. Please feel free to contact me with any questions at the email address provided.
Best Wishes,
Charlie Watrous, President VCCC &
The Board of Directors
Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 20:15:11 (MST)
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Hello all,
I was wondering if you could give me information on how to get a tape of the Hey Remember shows. My 5 year old watched them both and I am sure he would love to be able to watch them at any time. It would be a great Christmas gift for him. The only things he wants for Christmas are two vacuums. He turned down dinner at one of his favorite places, so that he could watch the sweeper shows!
Thanks!
Pam
Pam Evans
Tuscola, IL USA - Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 08:33:01 (MST)
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Hi All, just a brief and friendly reminder to please review the Forum Posting Guidelines from time to time.
Some recent postings caused all sorts of Alarms and Red Lights to go offf ---- so I am just reminding you all, in particular, to be sure and input at least your first and last name and a valid email address, as required in the Guidelines. See http://www.vaccc.com/membersonly/forum.html for further clarification if necessary.
Ever upward & onward---
Charles Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Sunday, December 07, 2003 at 23:17:58 (MST)
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Marty R:
Your hospital model G is GORGEOUS. Absolutely beautiful. Had no idea they existed that far along.
Looking at the photos is like looking at pictures of B M W's No one notices the model gesturing toward the car, they just see the car (well, maybe they take a 'peek' at the model too). Your tan Hospital G is to die for. I'm so happy there is one in the club. It's like our Commemorative Edition Electrolux - thank GOD there is one in the club for us to enjoy. Please try to bring it to the next meeting in Chicago.
As a point of personal reference, I saw pictures of myself from the last meeting, and realized I looked 'big as a house'. I think it's those damn cameras doing it (smile).
tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Sunday, December 07, 2003 at 07:34:06 (MST)
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Marty, you look just fine. Trust me.
Charles Lester
Hollywooooood, CA United States - Saturday, December 06, 2003 at 16:05:03 (MST)
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Charlie,
I enjoyed the hosp G story and the pix But oh my word! I look big as a house!! I'm going on a diet IMMEDIATELY!!! BTW, my other Lux G that i call the tan G is not brown but actually the bronze color that you describe. It looks like the one in your last picture.
I'm color blind too. Good Grief!!!
Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Friday, December 05, 2003 at 22:39:33 (MST)
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Hi Everyone,
I m looking for Rexair Model A and B and C and D with rexair and rainbow also Greenish one too in mint condition/almost as new to buy for my collectors/Musuems must everything be orginal. I will pay top dollars for this pieces. please email me.
Merry Christmas !!!
Joseph
Joseph
San Diego, CA USA - Friday, December 05, 2003 at 16:45:43 (MST)
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p.s. re the tan hospital G, yes I am beyond myself with joy because I too know how rare it is. I had in fact not even known that such a marvel existed until I saw Marty's. I have put some photos of this rarity:
http://www.137.com/tan_hospital_g
btw, some people might wonder why I publish my "sweeper stuff" on my own site instead of here on the Club site.
Well, the thing is, I have had my own web site for almost nine years - since January 1995. Yes, I guess I am an Internet pioneer! I had my own web site before a lot of people even had home PCs.
Not meaning to "brag" about it -- that's silly and no big deal, just explaining that I have had an Internet presence for many years now. So it would not make sense at this point to start scattering my web pages all over the place.
However, there ARE ... MANY ... club members who do not have their own web sites ..... and those people are WELCOME to post submissions for the "Members Only" section of our Club site --- especially photos of your collection. Just another little nudge from Unkie Charlie!!
Charles Lester
Hollywooooood, CA United States - Friday, December 05, 2003 at 15:33:58 (MST)
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Hi Tom, thanks for the nice comments. I would love very much to make the club meeting but the economic hardship is far greater on me than just the meeting costs - registration, airfare, hotel, etc.
The bigger problem is that, being a church organist, and in fact playing now for two different churches, I have to work pretty much every Sunday of the year.
At one church I do have two paid Sundays off a year but those are on specially designated Sundays that never coincide with the convention.
I have just started playing at the other church and they don't yet offer any vacation.
So, if I take another Sunday off it means having to hire a substitute and paying them out of my own pocket, in addition to missing the income myself -- and that's assuming a decent substitute is to be found. It's getting harder and harder to find good organists for substituting, especially in my situation where the musician has to be "multi-cultural"-friendly.
Really, I'd be looking at a thousand bucks, or more, to attend a convention. So for now, I have to enjoy them vicariously through the web site, forum, word of mouth, photos, and newsletter.
Say, speaking of newsletters .... is another issue ever gonna come out??! I have to say, I have heard quite a bit of grumbling about this, especially by people who do not have Internet access. For those people, the newsletter is really the only connection they have to the rest of the club.
Charlie Lester
Hollywoooood, CA USA - Friday, December 05, 2003 at 13:37:49 (MST)
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To Charlie Lester:
Congratulation on getting an EXTREMELY rare vacuum, you Electrolux Hospital Model G in Tan. I've ONLY seen them to match the turquoise G and assumed that they were 'done for' by the time the tan G was launched in 1966. You are truly a lucky man. Yours and Marty Rocha's are the ONLY two I know to exist.
I do hope you'll decide to start a 'meeting fund' and sell a few duplicates on eBay to finance a trip the convention. Would love to see you again. Haven't seen you since the convention in which Bob Taber lost his bid for President of the Club. I think that was Allentown if I'm not mistaken.
If you can't attend, I sure do hope Marty brings his Hospital G (in tan) to the Chicago convention.
I think I speak for ALL your club friends when I say we really miss your wit, smile, and personality at the conventions.
tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Friday, December 05, 2003 at 10:20:46 (MST)
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OKAY, OKAY no tacky comments about where the heck has LaBue been. He's back.
Anyway just wanted to say HI to all my old freinds from the club. Hope you all have had a fun Holiday season so far.
RJ. I owe you a call or two. My weekends have gotten away from me.
Till Then
Michael
Michael LaBue
New York, NY USA - Wednesday, December 03, 2003 at 13:47:42 (MST)
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To Reggie:
The first power nozzle used on the Fairfax (after the air-driven Preco nozzle) was made for Fairfax by Air-Way. Air-Way also sold their power nozzle to Water-Matic. 1972 through 1980.
The lady swinging from the Fairfax stuck to the ceiling (on the "Hey, Remember" show) was the lady who hosted the show.
It was stuck to my living room ceiling. That's how Fairfax would demonstrate it's "power" by holding the salesman's weight while 'stuck' to the ceiling.
tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Wednesday, November 26, 2003 at 06:46:07 (MST)
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I thought that it was very interesting too see the old Eureka commercials, but the vacuum that I liked the most was the Fairfax with the metal power nozzle. I thought that the first power nozzles that Fairfax used where the Eureka ones.
Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Tuesday, November 25, 2003 at 23:10:13 (MST)
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Happy turkey day to all my other nut/collector friends hope the coming Christmas season puts a new/old machine under your tree.
ron jones
rockingham, nc USA - Tuesday, November 25, 2003 at 19:51:42 (MST)
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I am looking for the pink(salmon?) colored dusting brush and upholstery tools for the infamous pink(salmon?) colored General Electric canister vacuum with the hose that rotates from the top. I hope one of you would be willing to steer me in the right direction! I need these two tools to complete the most recent addition to my collection/sickness/addiction. Please be an enabler......Happy Thanksgiving to one and all!
Robert Azar
Omaha, NE USA - Tuesday, November 25, 2003 at 17:47:07 (MST)
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To Marty:
Thanks for the kind words.
The Eureka ads for the "Hey, Remember" show were provided by Eureka. They have a whole reel of them.
Next time we see each other, I want to hear the story about how your old girlfriend wound up with the Eureka canister.
To Morgan:
I have both shows on video tape. Thought I'd bring them with me to the next meeting. I can make you a copy. Just email me with your address.
I live in the 'sticks' too. Desloge, Missouri is like, in the middle of nowhere. DirectTV solves that problem.
To Evan:
That wasn't a Kirby commercial for television. It was a short movie (14 minutes) that the Kirby Company put out when the Heritage II was the new cleaner. They lift the Kirby up, and it's sealed to the top of a huge plunger, which sucks up the volkswagon (minus the motor and transmission, of course). This lifts the car. Big deal. Orecks suck up bowling balls but can't pick up dirt.
The Hoover Company provided the film on the demonstration of the Model 0. Now that would be something to see... They only used a second of it.
Notice though, it was filmed in the Hoover house (which became the museum).
To Everyone:
Have a great holiday. I'm going to deep fry a turkey for the first time. Wish me luck.......
tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Tuesday, November 25, 2003 at 06:59:26 (MST)
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Tom Gasko:
I saw the repeat of Hey Remember last night and thought you were great. I always enjoy listening to you talking about vacs. My favorite parts of the piece were the old Eureka clips. I especially love the Eureka canisters from the 60's and 70's. One of the vacs we had growing up was a Eureka canister that used S bags and had the 5 cleaning selection buttons on top. It was orangy yellow. the power nozzle had a head light. That was a great cleaner and i used it all the time. An old girlfriend wound up with it ( longstory short, haven't seen either of them in years) so i bought my Mom a Hoover convertible which she liked better because she didn't have to pull it around behind her. Hope you have a great holiday!!
Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 21:50:22 (MST)
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Whoops--make that safe instead of sage! Guess I was already thinking of the dressing/stuffing.
Charlie W.
Charlotte, USA - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 15:36:38 (MST)
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Dear VCCC Members and Friends,
I am leaving tomorrow for the Thanksgiving Holiday and wanted to take this opportunity to wish you all a very happy, healthy and sage holiday.
Thanksgiving is generally a time for being thankful for all the blessings in our lives. I have many people in my life that I am thankful for and have been blessed with. This club and it's members are included. I have been thanked repeatedly for all the things I have done for the club, but I want to thank you folks for all you have done for me.
Again, best wishes to all and if driving be careful. I will be motoring to IN in my 1965 Olsmobile "98" Town Sedan so I feel relatively safe! Till later,
The Pres
Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 15:35:26 (MST)
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To Tom Gasko:
I saw the Hey Remember show last night about vintage vacuum cleaners. You did a great job as host! However, I have a question: Of the several tv advertisements that were shown, there was one for the Kirby Heritage II. Did Kirby used to advertise on tv? I have never seen a Kirby commercial on tv before.
Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Monday, November 24, 2003 at 15:22:23 (MST)
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To Marty Rocha-
If I remember correctly, the lever on the Sunbeam Challenger locks the wheels, to keep the machine from rolling (like when cleaning stairs). The first machine I ever remember seeing with locking wheels was the Hamilton Beach tank (model 26, I think) though there may have been others before that. It's such a good idea to have that feature (especially if you have stairs), I don't know why ALL manufacturers never grabbed on to the idea.
R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Saturday, November 22, 2003 at 21:33:21 (MST)
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Hi all!
i was wondering what the little metal lever is next to the rear wheel on the Sunbeam Challenger. I recently found one in off white and with the wood grain sides. I don't remember what the lever is for.
Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Saturday, November 22, 2003 at 20:30:31 (MST)
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Hello,
Just wondering if someone could record the TV program. We people that live in the sticks in WI can not get that station. I would also like to see the last video from the Morning Show.
Thanks, Would be more thant willing to pay for the tape and mailing and your time..
Morgan
Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Saturday, November 22, 2003 at 11:28:37 (MST)
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HI EVERYONE, HOPE YOU ALL GOT TO WATCH THE VACUUM CLEANER SEGMENT ON H/G TV LAST NIGHT.IT WAS VERY WELL DONE. AND AS USUAL, OUR FORMER CLUB PRESIDENT, TOM GASKO, DID AND EXCELLENT
JOB AS HOST. IT WILL BE REPEATED SUNDAY EVENING AT 7:30 EST.
Michael Hays
Greenfield, OH USA - Saturday, November 22, 2003 at 05:12:19 (MST)
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I rec'd the following information (a conglomeration of several emails).
Sounds like the guy may have some real treasures that, if I read correctly, are all up for grabs at no cost for the first person who shows up with a truck. Please contact him directly at the email address supplied.
Wish =I= could get a big truck and drive out there, but it's a little far from Los Angeles!
I am, in deference to my fellow club members, posting this exciting announcement here first, to give you-all a "leg up" on others. Then, in a few days I will also post it to one of the Yahoo forums.
Hope someone can take advantage of this --- and send me some exciting Kirby treasures!!
HERE IS THE MESSAGE:
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I have around 50 vintage Kirby vacuums (1940's-1960s) that my late uncle either repaired or was going to repair. Can you tell me where I can find someone who may be interested in some or all. I would hate to scrap them just for aluminum or metal.
There are also many original boxes of attachments and more parts for Kirby, Hoover and Eureka -- a lot of parts! Also, Hoover NOS including: plastic top covers, cloth bags, springs, light lenses or covers, brackets that hold the body and the handle together and countless disposable bags still in the packages.. (It would probably take a pretty good sized truck for everything, that is if one person took it all.
I am located 25 miles east of Pittsburgh, PA in a town called Export which is near the Rte 22 & Rte 66 junction. I'm also close to I-76, (PA turnpike) about 8 miles from the Pittsburgh (Monroeville) exit and 18 miles north of of the New Stanton, PA exit. And, I-376 (Parkway East) 8 miles.
The vacuums & parts are actually located in Pittsburgh ... if anyone's interested, I'd be glad to meet at either location.
Much thanks
John Parrendo
UnwoundUSA@aol.com
Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Thursday, November 20, 2003 at 23:35:16 (MST)
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Morgan and Forum,
Sorry, the FQ items went right away to a club member that contacted me. The good thing is that they will stay in the club with a member that will take care of them.
I'm glad to see we can use the forum to buy/see/trade or give away things.
Best wishes.
Charlie W.
Charlotte, NC USA - Wednesday, November 19, 2003 at 12:48:43 (MST)
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Dear R. J. ~
Thanks for the speedy reply! I was pretty sure that the "C" bag is the proper one for my #1348, but I just wanted to be certain since Hoover makes so many "specialized" bags.
Thanks again.
B.C.
Brother Chris Lambert
St. Louis, MO USA - Tuesday, November 18, 2003 at 20:32:35 (MST)
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Charlie,
I would be interested in the Filter Queen equipment if no one else is.
Thanks
Morgan
Also in anyone has a Royal tool set with hose or a hoover convertable I would be interested..
Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Tuesday, November 18, 2003 at 16:03:39 (MST)
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To Brother Chris-
Type "C" is the correct bag for ALL the Hoover Juniors EXCEPT model 115, which used a cloth-dump bag. The US Junior models ussing type "C" bag would be 12, 14, 1330, 1340, 1348, and U-1025.
R. J.
R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA - Tuesday, November 18, 2003 at 09:36:04 (MST)
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Dear Forum,
If anyone is interested in the hair dryer and massage attachments in MINT condition for a Filter Queen 30 series for FREE, (shipping only!),
please let me know or I am tossing them.
They do not sell for much on ebay and I would rather a member have them if they want them. Please let me know at the email address shown.
Thanks!
Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Tuesday, November 18, 2003 at 07:33:30 (MST)
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A question ...
Does anyone happen to know which is the proper bag to use in a Hoover 1348 (the newer, lighter-weight "Junior")? There is currently a "C" bag in the one I have, but I was wondering if there was a specific model designated for that model. I appreciate the collective wisdom of the group!
Thanks,
Brother Chris
Brother Chris Lambert, OFM
Saint Louis, MO USA - Monday, November 17, 2003 at 20:50:18 (MST)
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Dear VCCC friends:
Yesterday a second hand dealer here called to tell me he had a Presto, Jr., hand vac for me. I won't see it until tomorrow. I understand it is from the 1920's. If any of you can tell me about the Presto and its history, please do so. Also, if you have one, please tell me about yours.
Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Sunday, November 16, 2003 at 14:20:27 (MST)
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I need new motor brushes formy Electrolux model L.
I am also looking for a Miracle Head and Handi Butler for my Kirby Classic 3. If anyone has any of these parts that they could send me, let me know.
Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Sunday, November 16, 2003 at 12:03:59 (MST)
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To the Club:
Has anyone seen this new TV show on "The Home and Garden Network" called "Hey, Remember"? It's on Friday nights with repeats on Sunday evenings. It's about vintage collections of 'things' from the past. There's a vacuum cleaner episode with regular and hand held machines on November 21, with a repeat on Novenmber 23.
I've heard that the Hoover Company supplied a vintage film of a Model 0 being demonstrated. Did they even have film in 1908?
As to Eureka's "Retro-Vac", when I first heard that Eureka was going to do a retro-vac from the 1950's, I'd hoped they would bring back the Roto-Matic. Alas, they just 'brought back' the upright, and not even in a 1950's color. Honestly. I don't know of any 1950's vacs done up in turquoise and chrome with a black and grey striped bag.
The whole "Elecctrolux" / "Eureka" thing at Lowes is already starting to take it's toll. Have had many people comment on the advertisement, saying they have seen the 'new' electrolux cleaners at Lowes. Most of those customers are going to be people who think they are buying a "REAL" Electrolux, and it will make serving bag customers infinately harder. Customer's don't know they have an Oxygen by Eureka when asking for bags. They'll just say it's a canister Electrolux and then go home with the wrong bags. What a nightmare this will become.
tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Thursday, November 13, 2003 at 15:44:12 (MST)
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R.J and Marty:
I also saw the Electrolux cleaners when I was at Sears this past Saturday. I was shocked when I saw the prices. I would have hoped that they would have dropped the prices since the quality of their products has declined even more, but I guess that didn't happen.
To Reggie: I received the Kirby safety switch from you yesterday. Thank you very much for sending it to me.
To the forum: I am still looking for a cord and bag for my Kirby 560, and also a belt lifter lens (or better yet, a complete belt lifter), and an extension wand and crevice tool.
Also, I am in need of a green rug renovator tray for a kirby D80 if anyone has one. I would also love to get my hands on ANY other D80 tools and/or accessories if any one has any.
Please let me know.
Thanks
Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Thursday, November 13, 2003 at 14:25:41 (MST)
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Hi All:
For those of you who read the Wall Street Journal, there is an article in the Personal Journal Section (Section D) front page today regarding modern vacuum cleaners. They review 4 uprights: the Dyson DC07, a Miele upright, the Eureka Whirlwind and the Sebo. Interesting article.
Fred Nelson
St. Charles, Il USA - Thursday, November 13, 2003 at 12:53:37 (MST)
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GE Vacuum parts needed:
Hi all,
Was at the swap meet and i found a GE swivel top cord reel vacuum. It was all dusty and sad in this beat up old box. Most of the parts were in the box. I asked "How much?" and the guy selling it said, " a buck takes it home with you!" ???? well okay!!! It works fine and cleaned up really well. Now i'm looking for a carpet nozzle. It is a shade of green that is neither aqua or avocado. If anyone was at the Louisville convention and saw Ken Wagman's beeeutiful swivel top, it's that shade of green. I'm also looking for the attachment tray that fits in the back of the cleaner. I will gladly pay for these parts if anyone has extra.
Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Wednesday, November 12, 2003 at 20:16:33 (MST)
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To Marty R-
I agree, $399.00 is steep for an all-plastic, suction only machine. When I first glanced up and saw the display, I was kind of startled by it (it was before i saw your posting). On closer inspection, I was thinking they should have branded the machines "Eurekalux", since they're a far cry from the Electroluxes that we knew growing up. However, I'm sure that Lowe's is counting on some "brand name recognition" to help fuel sales.
R. J. Vanik
Bellevue , WA USA - Tuesday, November 11, 2003 at 18:41:07 (MST)
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A salute to another good friend and club member, who is a veteran: Mike Hays. Mike served his country in Vietnam. Like the other Mike, you're a great guy; and we appreciate your service to our country.
As most of us know, Mike had a serious heart attack last summer and is now retired and enjoying the Vortec (Vortex?) Force he just bought on e-bay and cleans better than his Kirby G5!
Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Tuesday, November 11, 2003 at 14:47:43 (MST)
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A salute to all in our club who are veterans!
One member who served in the armed forces is Mike Rogers, who manages a Henry Co. store in a Chicago suburb and lives in Calumet City. As I'm sure all who know him will agree, Mike is, in every respect, a first-class individual. Thanks to Mike and all our other veterans, whom we honor today on this 50th anniversary of Veterans Day, which originated in Emporia, KS!
Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Tuesday, November 11, 2003 at 14:33:34 (MST)
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Electrolux at Lowe's
Oh RJ, it's funny that you said that because i've actually been toying with the idea of getting the Oxygen model. I know it's just a Eureka, but i still want to try one out. I need to see the floor brush and the attachments first though. They didn't have those lying around the display. The attachments on the Harmony cannister looked interesting. They store on the handle, and the dusting brush looked like the old Lux 2 in 1 tool. I think 399.00 is alot of money for a suction only machine. They should at least include a turbo brush for carpets don't you think?
Martin Rocha
Palm Springs , Ca USA - Monday, November 10, 2003 at 22:05:50 (MST)
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While wandering through Lowe's today, I stumbled across a display of 3 Electrolux cleaners; an upright and 2 canisters - must be the same 3 that Marty R refers to in his earlier posting. Unique in their color scheme, they're almost a copper-red, which is a refreshing change from Eureka's "bumble bee" colors of black and yellow. Interesting to look at, but I don't think I'll be paying their asking price any time soon.
R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Sunday, November 09, 2003 at 17:23:15 (MST)
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To Marty:
I've tried the new bagless Windtunnel canister, its not bad... the cansiter runs pretty quiet and it has decent suction. However the tools are crap, and the power-nozzle is flimsy.
Charlie Lester:
Check out ebay, there's been one of those alleged 95th anniversary Eureka uprights on there for $180 for the past couple of weeks with no takers. From the pictures and descriptions I've read its the old Eureka Boss just done up in chrome, black and Jadeite green. There is nothing on Eureka's website about it yet, but I have been told the motor used in this model is the 5.0amp one thats now used in the cheap Sanitaire models.
Of course, Eureka's 95th anniversary isn't til next year either, but I guess they want to celebrate early.
I had also been told Hoover would have a 95anniversary model this year too, but given the state of Hoover these days I could do without a 95th anniversary V2 Windtunnel.
Just my thoughts...
Jeff Parker
Roselle, IL USA - Saturday, November 08, 2003 at 19:55:12 (MST)
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Well, has anyone see the "new" Eureka upright model 1950A, called the "RetroVac" and billed as their 95th anniversary model which is a bit premature since, if I recall correctly, the company was founded in 1909 (+95 = 2004).
From the photo I have found of it, I have to say that from an aesthetics standpoint I am underwhelmed. You'd think such a "landmark" machine would have something more to offer.
Sometimes, though, photos don't do a machine justice. But as far as I can tell, this is just a standard Sanitaire "tricked out" in a gaudy outfit with a black striped bag and turquoise and chrome base -- looking rather cheap and tawdry! The machine would probably look a lot better with some other color & pattern on the bag.
SRP is $199.95 which, I believe, is a bit less than the Sanitaire isn't it? And isn't the new Sanitaire all plastic, done up in a hideous yellow/black scheme? (Looks like everyone's jumping on the "Let's make vacuum cleaners look as gaudy as we possibly can" trend, started by Dyson!)
Here's a link to a photo of it:
http://store1.yimg.com/I/patsplace_1764_3000659
Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Saturday, November 08, 2003 at 00:58:16 (MST)
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Ramblings:
Was at Best Buy last week and was looking at the Hoover windtunnel bagless canister. Has anyone had any contact with one of these? Do they work well? I like the wand and the hose on these. They are just like that of the Kenmore Magic Blue. Not big on the dinky attachments though!
Just opened the Lowes circular i found on the kitchen table and there are now Electrolux (Eureka) vacuums "new at Lowes" ,A amall canister , an upright and the Oxygen cannister! i think i will go see them up close tomorrow!!!
Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Friday, November 07, 2003 at 22:36:00 (MST)
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Per President Watrous' posting, I personally am fine with submitting stuff for the newsletter on CD but know that this will surely lock out a lot of other members --- especially those who don't have a computer at all, let alone having a CD burner.
We have trouble enough as it is soliciting submissions; I'd think we would want to go in the other direction of being as accommodating as possible [like, messenger pickup of submissions!!] rather than discouraging people from contributing.......
Just my 137¢' worth...
Charlie Lester
Los Angeles, California United States - Friday, November 07, 2003 at 19:17:17 (MST)
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Dear Members,
Louis Rescigno, the new newsletter editor called me today to let me know the 3rd/4th quarter newsletter will be out in about 7/10 days. This will be the last newsletter of 2003.
The Spring 2004 will be a larger issue now that the new formatting has been completed.
Any pictures for upcoming articles should be sent on a CD ONLY! All inqueries regarding future articles should be sent to Louis directly at Les1@aol.com
Thanks for your patience and we hope you enjoy the new issue. Have a great weekend!
PS-Reggie Ridlen, if you are reading this, I need your new email address. Thanks.
Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Friday, November 07, 2003 at 16:53:04 (MST)
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To Chuck C.:
The Air-Way model 55 was purple. The 55-A also came in purple, and was later changed to blue.
Do you remember Tania's purple Air-Way at the meeting? It was a model 55 (no 'a'), had a Two-Piece serial number plate (one plate had the watts, model, etc. and one had the patent numbers). Both rating plates were round, rather than rectangle. There was four wire 'feet' rather than eight 'knobs' at the bottom, and there was NO ring of metal just up from the switch. There was no air-evacuator assembly inside. There was no swivel for the rug and floor tools (the swivel was separate). In the VERY first 55, there was no 'holes' in the bottom of the bag compartment, the filter sat on three 'legs' that kept it from touching the top of the motor. If you reached your hand down, you would touch the top bearing of the motor's bearing bridge.
All these things were 'corrected' within two years of launch.
The improvements came very quickly to the model 55, and in 1939, it was called the model 55A. The first model 55 came out in 1937. I have all three purple Air-Way examples (one '55' and two '55A') plus the two blue '55A' examples in my collection.
tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Tuesday, November 04, 2003 at 11:37:32 (MST)
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Hi Gang......
First I must tell you all about the great time had this past Saturday. A friend of mine, Matt, who is a Lux collector, and still has not yet joined our group, had made arrangements to go to Bernie Mehlbaums. Bernie has a HUGE pile of old vacs, parts, attachments.... you name it. Bernie wanted some help sorting through all this, so we went to help out. We started by pulling everything into the yard, and sorted by make. After that we matched up tool sets, created complete machines, and some partials, Then we boxed and labeled everything
Bernie has a great collection of early machines that have been beautifully restored, and now some are even more complete with tool sets etc.
Matt and I were each "gifted"some FABULOUS items for helping Bernie.I recieved a near mint rug tool for my Hoover Aerodyne, have looked for about six years for this item... THANKS BERNIE!!
NOW, The big question of the day. I know far less than many other collectors, and was under the impression that the purple Air-Way was the model 55, and the blue was the 55-A. Part of the stuff I brought home was 4 Air-Way cleaners.. 2 purple, and 2 blue, the bottom plates match the color of the machine BUT the plate showing model#, serial # etc all say Model 55-A!! What is wrong with this picture??
Anyway, we had great time, and I know Bernie is looking to sell off some stuff, so keep him in mind. Also keep in mind that he has more than Air-Way. There is Lux, Lewyt, Hoover, some GE... The list goes on.
Hope everyone is well!
Chuck
Chuck Chatham
USA - Monday, November 03, 2003 at 17:53:47 (MST)
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Chalie Lester
Thanks for a great job. This website is a valuable part of this club and you have done a wonderful job with all of it. Keep up the great work.
Morgan
Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Sunday, November 02, 2003 at 19:11:33 (MST)
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Hi all,
As promised, I have now moved all of October 2003's postings to the October 2003 archive.
Hope everyone had a fun and safe Halloween. It poured down rain here which was great in terms of the raging brush fires but not so great for the Trick-or-Treaters!
"Happy Hoovering" ---
Charles Lester
Los Angeles, California United States of America - Saturday, November 01, 2003 at 23:25:20 (MST)
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My compact has the electric hose.
Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Saturday, November 01, 2003 at 18:18:53 (MST)
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To Reggie:
The C-9 was the last model called a Compact. It lauched in 1981 and came in both yellow and electric blue versions. My personal favorite is the blue one as it is a unique shade.
Is your hose the electric hose or straight suction?
I have several Eureka-built power nozzles for Compacts in my collection, some are duplicates.
tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Saturday, November 01, 2003 at 07:33:48 (MST)
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I'm loking for a attachment set for my Compact C-9. I have the hose and dusting brush, does anyone have any of the other attachments aor a power nozzle tat I could have?
Reggie
Parker, CO ƯUSA - Friday, October 31, 2003 at 22:20:07 (MST)
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Hi, iam looking for the chrome top rug nozzle for the Hoover Aerodyne model 50, does anyone have one for sale?
Thanks!!
Michael Hays
Greenfield, OH ƯUSA - Friday, October 31, 2003 at 06:22:36 (MST)
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Dimension 1000
Any club members looking for a Hoover Dimension 1000 that needs some TLC? I saw one at a local thrift store lately & snagged it thinking that some collector might want it. It's model S3283-040. Main motor, PN and electric hose all work. Tools are mis-matched, but it has the electric hose with the remote-control switch and rheostat. Matching power nozzle needs a belt, among other things. I was thinking about restoring it, but then I looked at the pile of unfinished projects on my workbench and thought I'd give someone else a shot at it. My cost ($10) plus shipping and it's yours.
R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 21:01:53 (MST)
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Dear Members,
I hope you all have a safe and fun filled Halloween. Remember, if your costume is that of a Hoover, get the lettering right as you never know when the Hoover police will show up as they did in Louisville. (A certain Vice-president, Hoover policeman that is!)
Hve a great weekend.
Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC ƯUSA - Thursday, October 30, 2003 at 06:37:17 (MST)
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To RJ:
Thanks RJ for the infor on the bags.I'm sure there are some at Walmart here.
Charlie Thanks for the email today.
Well I hope everyone has a nice and safe Happy Holloween.
Skip
Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La ƯUSA - Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 19:30:50 (MST)
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Charlie:
I guess my e-mail address must be confusing. There is no letter r in my e-mail address. It is R3beeze@aol.com, NOT R3breeze@aol.com.
I hope this helps
Evan Rogers
Concord, MA ƯUSA - Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 15:05:39 (MST)
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Long Story with a Short Question:
Last summer I had an email forwarded to me from our own webmaster Charlie Lester. It came from a woman who had seen the rerun of the "Swept Away" segment on the CBS Sunday Morning Show. She was trying to locate "R. J. in Seattle" and sent an email to Charlie L. in hopes of finding me.
Well she found me. It seems she had recently purchased a home in Tacoma (about an hour's drive from me) fully furnished, that had not been occupied for 35 YEARS!!! Among the treasures there was "an old vacuum" that she thought might interest me. It wasn't for sale, but she wanted to GIVE it to someone who might appreciate it. (She thought of me because of the nearby location)
So I called her IMMEDIATELY and made an EMERGENCY drive to Tacoma that afternoon (before she had a chance to change her mind).
The "old vacuum" turned out to be something on my "wish list" that had eluded me for a long time - a GE C-3; the coral colored swivel top with the removable dolly. Other than a bit of surface dirt, the machine was in amazingly good shape. Both wands were there along with the flip-over rug/floor tool. There was a bit of tape on the hose, but still usable. We turned it on and it purred like a kitten.
While I was there they showed me their "daily driver" (a Hoover 344 that sounded like a thrashing machine & the cloth bag leaked like a sieve). I told them it needed a new lower bearing and a week later I went back and serviced their Hoover, including a new type A bag assembly & the lower bearing as a "thank you" for their donation. I also feel like a made some new friends in the process.
When I got the GE home I washed and dried the cloth bag and installed a new paper bag, and was impressed with the power.
Now the question: The 3 small tools (crevice/upholstery/dusting) were missing in action. Tania Voight was kind enough to send me a matching crevice tool. Does anybody have a dusting brush and upholstery nozzle in the matching coral (pink/orange) that they would like to sell-trade-donate to the cause to complete this classic beauty? Ken W? Marc T? any other GE fanatics?
R. J.
R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 10:50:02 (MST)
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Folks,
I'm all set with Reggie Ridlen but now I don't have the correct address for:
Roger LeQuea relequea@theriver.com
Any info is appreciated!
Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, ƯUSA - Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 09:24:37 (MST)
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Dear Members,
I sent some updates for you today. I can use your help on email addresses. The following are not good for whatever reason so if you are in contact with any of these folks, please have them email me with their correct address. Thanks!
Evan Rogers R3breeze@aol.com
Michael Baute alwaysjuke@aol.com
Peter Vidou www.pvidou@aol.com
Alice Ridlen (Reggie Ridlen) mrkirby@aol.com
Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC ƯUSA - Tuesday, October 28, 2003 at 09:11:21 (MST)
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Dear Santa,
all i want for Christmas is a hoover aerodyne and a Airway 88 mark II ive been a very good boy
ron jones
rockingham, nc ƯUSA - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 09:14:46 (MST)
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Thank You Charlie:
For all the great work on this website. If it wasn't for your effort and Charlie Watrous' vision, we wouldn't have this site.
tom gasko
desloge, mo ƯUSA - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 06:52:06 (MST)
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P.S.:
I forgot to mention that when you click on any of the archive links, either at the top or the bottom of this page, the link will automatically open up in a new browser window. That will make it easier to return here simply by closing that window when you are done.
"Ever Onward & Upward"
Charlie Lester
Hollywood, CA USA - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 03:29:08 (MST)
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Hello fellow Vacccers ---
As you can see, I have finally organized this forum a little better by archiving past months' postings.
At the end of October, I'll move any subsequent October posts into the October archive.
Then, hopefully, I will be able to keep on top of this month by month instead of having to sit here for nine hours at one stretch [it wasn't pretty...] doing a marathon clean-up, as I have had to do so today!
Enjoy!!
Charlie Lester
Hollywood, CA USA - Monday, October 27, 2003 at 02:14:16 (MST)
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To Skip-
No spare tools for Juniors at this time; as far as bags, all the US Juniors (except model 115-cloth bag) took a type "C" bag, the same bag as 63, 63, 634, and all the early convertibles. Type "C" Hoover bags should still be readily available at almost any vac shop.
R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Sunday, October 26, 2003 at 08:02:22 (MST)
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Hello To All:
Well I won the last night for the vintage pontiac canister vac. It is identical to the Hudson canister that I like.
I bought a new Dell computer which is awsome, it sure beats my old compaq preserio for sure.
RJ I know you have some hoover Juniors Do you have any extra deposible bags or a extra set of attachments that you could sell me?
One thing I noticed about the american Junior verus the UK model. The cord is much shorter on the American model then the Uk model.
Thanks Skip
Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Sunday, October 26, 2003 at 07:24:29 (MST)
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Marty Rocha: I received the D80 handlegrip along with the surprise instruction book that I was THRILLED to have! Thanks again.
Reggie: I'm interested in the safety switch you offered me for my Kirby. I'll be in touch.
Thank you
Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Saturday, October 25, 2003 at 06:44:31 (MDT)
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My legal assistant just emailed me this Halloween riddle. At first I wasn't going to post it presuming that vacuum cleaner jokes aren't released to the public without VCCC prior approval - so I figured you had all heard it. But if that is not the case, her 'tis:
QUESTION:
Why do witches fly around on broomsticks?
ANSWER:
They tried vacuum cleaners, but they couldn't get those suckers off the ground.
Mark Goodall
Omaha, NE USA - Friday, October 24, 2003 at 14:46:47 (MDT)
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To Morgan-
It's tough to find accurate dates for many Royals, since Royal never botheres to keep the kind of historical records that Hoover, Electrolux, Kirby and some others did. Your best bet for documenting Royal dates is through advertising. Some Royal magazine ads over the years identified specific model numbers in the ads; and if you know when the ad was printed, you're in luck. Specific Royal models that I can document through advertising are:
260 cylander-1948,1949
290 cylander-1950
290A cylander-1951
259 Upright-1949
279 Upright-1950, 1951
Maybe someone else who knows more about Royal history can help out? Can anyone identify a date for the Royal model 210 or 701 cylander?
R. J.
R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 23:10:29 (MDT)
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Charlie,
I would not miss the convention for any reason. I have belonged to a lot of groups in my lifetime and this one gives me the most pleasure. Your leadership and the board of directors is wonderful.
Thanks for the advice on the cleaning the bag. I had considered hand washing as well. I may contact Mark Thomas as I don't want to ruin the Golden Crown on the bag.
Would anyone have a list of models and their ages for Royal Vacuums. I can not find any info in cyberspace.
Thanks again for the advice, AND KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!!
Morgan
Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 21:47:39 (MDT)
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Morgan,
P.S.: Member Mark Thomas can work magic with restoring color and lettering to bags. He may be able to assist as well.
He may be reached at toonetta@aol.com
Charlie W.
Charlotte, NC USA - Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 07:27:42 (MDT)
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Morgan,
Greetings! (By the way it was greet to meet you at the convention and I hope you will plan to attend in Chicago in 2004) Re: the bag and cleaning it................at the risk of being terribly chastised by other members, (so what else is new?), I have washed bags that are on older vacuums that are really for display and not practical application.
Some of older vacuums that have shake out cloth bags that I rarely, if ever use, have had their bags hand washed. I turn them inside out and use a DROP of Woolite and rinse carefully immediatley to minimize color loss. No spin drying or wringing--just block dry like a good wool sweater. I have also had them dry cleaned.
If you have a good dry cleaner that will run them through separately at the end of the day or week, whenever they are about to change/filter their cleaning solution, in a sweater bag, (one of the fishnet things that you can zip the bag into), again turned inside out, it will turn out nicely as well.
When I have washed them, I realize that the poracity(?) of the bag is forever changed. Since most cloth bags spew dust, who cares? The color is nicely restored and they smell much better. After the bag is thoroughly dry, I also run it in the dryer for about ten minutes on low heat to "fluff" it a bit. I have always removed all metal parts and use COLD water.
I'm sure you are going to be told otherwise which is fine. I'm just relaying what I have done with good results.
Good Luck and best wishes.
Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 07:24:46 (MDT)
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Hi Everyone,
I need some help. One of my co-workers were cleaning out there grandparents atic and brought me to Royal Vacuums. A model 189 and a model 801.
I am wondering what years they were made. I have cleaned up the model 189, it is beautiful. The red and black bag. The front plate doesn't not have the adjustorite but rather a gold and red and black face plate. Very pretty.
Also the bag is a little fadded and dirty, is there a good way to clean it. I have used another vacuum and cleaned it that way.. I don't want to wash it.. any suggestions.
Morgan
Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 05:54:39 (MDT)
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Hi All,
Just some advance warning that soon -- probably this weekend -- the Forum will be down for a day or so. I need to break the postings up into smaller chunks, with links to the older postings grouped into separate pages. I have needed to do this for quite a while but with so many plates in the air already, I just haven't had time to do it. But when this page starts taking a long time to load even with my hotrodded Mac and DSL connection then I know that this chore is well past-due.
Charlie Lester
Hollywood, CA USA - Wednesday, October 22, 2003 at 11:05:29 (MDT)
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Evan
The safety switch that I have is the right one. If you want it, let me know.
Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Monday, October 20, 2003 at 17:15:05 (MDT)
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Evan
I might have a safety switch foryour Kirby, but Ineed to see if it is the right one.
Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Sunday, October 19, 2003 at 23:13:09 (MDT)
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To the forum:
Yesterday, I received a Kirby 560 with all the accessories and tools in all the original boxes. many of the attachments have never been used. However, the bag is an aftermarket sanitronic bag, and the cord is green from a D-80. The plastic lens that covers the Kirby logo on the belt lifter is cracked. The safety switch (1 speed) cuts out and doesn't always work. I have all the attachments except for the red straight wand, and the crevice tool is only in so-so condition.
I am also wondering about the belt lifter on the floor polisher. The belt lifter on the rug nozzle is the triangular one, but the belt lifter on the floor polisher is the older style round red one. The floor polisher has never been used, so i'd be surprised if it was replaced, but i'm wondering.
If anyone can help me with my question, or any of the parts I need, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thank you.
Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Sunday, October 19, 2003 at 19:22:29 (MDT)
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Saturday, I was talking to a club member who is not on-line and thus not privy to any of the discussions that go on in the Forum. He said that he, and some other non-WWW club members, are feeling a bit left out of the action now, especially since a newsletter has not come out in so long. (He said the last one came out in May. Is that correct??!)
I guess it is easy for us who are on-line to forget how insular the WWW can be. Especially since, now, so many people ARE on-line.
Just a suggested "now discuss" topic to see if anyone has any ideas of how we can bridge the gap between on-line and non-on-line members. Besides the obvious, that is -- of everyone getting on-line! Some people can't, some people won't, for various reasons.
Charlie Lester
Hollywood, CA USA - Sunday, October 19, 2003 at 15:35:48 (MDT)
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Hi To All:
I just purchased an American Hoover Junior Model 1348. I was wondering if any one has any extra bags and also if any one has an extra set of attachments for it.
I'm still looking for the Coronado canister Model V222 or her sister vac the Viking.
If any one can help me out it will be truly appreciated.
Thanks Skip
Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Saturday, October 18, 2003 at 16:18:49 (MDT)
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Hoover Dial a Matic:
Hi all, i bought a Hoover DAM at the swap meet last week. It is model 1100. Is this the first DAM? How old is this? The brushes and beater bars spirl in the other direction than my other DAM's.
Evan,
I was at my folks house today and i now have the handle grip that you need. I will send it on Tuesday. I'm going to be at work for the next three days. It's motorcycle weekend here in Palm Springs! Thousands of people on bikes! YIKES! We'll see how many of them end up in the hospital. Ugh! I can't wait....
Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, CA USA - Friday, October 17, 2003 at 21:02:49 (MDT)
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Hi Marty.
I don't need the screw and cord hook, but since you asked, I would be happy to have them too. I might need them in case I ever lose a screw.
Thanks
Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Tuesday, October 14, 2003 at 16:25:08 (MDT)
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Evan,
The bag on this Kirby is very scary.It's a red Classic 3 bag but it is so full of dirt it looks almost inflated. It has been rained on at some point so the bag is also kind of hard. A real big "ick" factor. But you are welcome to handle grip. Do you need the screw and the cord hook set up , let me know.
Marty
Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 21:34:02 (MDT)
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To Charlie Watrous:
Only a REALLY good serviceman could get an Oly motor into a DJ. You'll also need the Oly's bag cage to make it work.
Plus a lot of cuss words as you try to get past the four built-in motor mounts on the DJ. But, as you have proved, it CAN be done, and quite well too.
I have a wand off a Model G PN-1 that RJ can have for his Tan G.
Tom g.
tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Monday, October 13, 2003 at 07:48:23 (MDT)
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Marty: Thank you very much for being so generous with sending me parts lately. I really appreciate it, and i'm glad you can help me with the handlegrip I need. I'll assume the bag is either missing or not original, since you didn't mention it.
Thanks again
Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Sunday, October 12, 2003 at 19:36:22 (MDT)
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Evan,
I have an extra kirby D80 that my sister found along the road and she dropped it off at my parent's house. It does not work but it can be parted out. I'll send you the handle grip.
Marty
Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Sunday, October 12, 2003 at 18:38:18 (MDT)
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Marty: I don't need the entire handle fork, just the green handlegrip. Mine is in two pieces, and is taped together at the moment. If you have a handlegrip that you're willing to part with, please let me know.
Thanks.
Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Sunday, October 12, 2003 at 18:32:12 (MDT)
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Forum:
I am so p___ed at the moment! I sent to R.J. Vanik my tan G that his friend Richard bought from me for R. J.'s birthday. Many of you saw this vacuum at the Milwaukee convention and know how beautiful it is. I am a seriously thorough packer of vacs when shipping via Fed Ex.
Somehow, the Fed Ex folk managed to break the plastic wand, (if I understand R. J. properly), and now I want to find another for him so it will be fabulously correct. I had even replaced the b/r and belt with genuine parts!
So, if any of you out there know the whereabouts of the plastic sheath wand for the Tan G with a p/n 1, please contact me.
If this is not totally correct, R. J. please fill our members in.
Let's get this right for our Vice-Prez R. J.! Thanks for your help.
Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Saturday, October 11, 2003 at 15:18:52 (MDT)
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Evan, On the Kirby D80, do you need the whole handle or just the grip?
Marty
Martin Rocha
Palm Springs, Ca USA - Saturday, October 11, 2003 at 12:59:39 (MDT)
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Correction to my post below: the town I live in is Concord, not cocnord.
Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Friday, October 10, 2003 at 23:15:39 (MDT)
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Happy Birthday R.J and Mark!
To the forum: There are a few parts that I am in need of that I forgot to mention on my never ending list of parts that I need.
I need a bag and a handlegrip for a Kirby Dual Sanitronic 80. I would also love to have a set of D80 tools if anyone has them.
I need a cord and a bag for a Kirby 509. I also need the crystalator, and the curved and straight wands (grey).
I also need a green bag for a Hoover 1030 convertible.
If anyone has any of the parts I need, please let me know.
Thanks
Evan Rogers
Cocncord, MA USA - Friday, October 10, 2003 at 23:12:41 (MDT)
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To: RJ and Mark
Happy Birthday to the both of you, Hope it was a great day for you'll.
I'm wishing you'll many more to come
Skip
Skip Aultman
Lafayette, La USA - Friday, October 10, 2003 at 22:19:36 (MDT)
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Members:
Please help me wish the happiest of birthdays to members R. J. Vanik, Vice-President, today, 10/9 and to Mark Thomas, (on his 39th?), tomorrow, Friday the 10th.
Our best to you boys and many happy returns of the day! You are both wonderful members of our club and good friends as well. My best to you.
Everybody have a great weekend.
Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Thursday, October 09, 2003 at 18:03:51 (MDT)
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Ok, nevermind...a big collosal joke played by two collector friends.....now i feel stupid...:D
:D :D
Cya guys later
James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Thursday, October 09, 2003 at 18:01:21 (MDT)
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hi
Ok, ive been hearing rumours about a PLASTIC kirby being sold in stores like sears? and i hear about a plasic canister vac? WHY, if they are, would kirby EVER do that....can anyone clear this up?
James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 21:21:47 (MDT)
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Tom G.:
Thanks for pinning down the time period the HB 14 was sold for me: 1938-41. I was also interested to learn that Stan Kann had just acquired a 14.
About a year ago I got a HB Model 8 from Charlie Watrous but didn't realize that the Model 8 came out in 1930.
Bernie M. and Martin R., thanks also to both of you for sharing thoughts and info on the HB 14 and 8.
Ben Clayton, Ewing, NJ:
It was interesting to visit with you the other night and to hear about your large and diverse collection.
Jim Kirby
Emporia, KS USA - Wednesday, October 08, 2003 at 18:37:27 (MDT)
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Tom,
Thank you for your information re: the Mark II 88 and Eureka powerhead. I have done some playing with the powerhead, (I'm on vacation and you know us vacuum nuts............), putting it on the Silverado, the current Signature Series, a Diamond J and tomorrow........the Dyson. It is interesting to note the noise difference with the different cannisters based on amps and air flow. I always use brand new empty bags, (genuine of course!), to have optimum air flow. The Silverado works very well with the "unit"--(Don Clark speak).
I have berber throughout so my testing is limited on some level. The powerhead when I got it had a CWP beater bar. The correct b/r for the Eureka was a Vibragroomer 1 with square ends. I replaced the CWP with the correct original b/r and the difference was totally noticeable right down to the sound! Instead of whinning, it purrs.
I'm looking forward to attaching it to the Dyson and the Rowenta I sold on QVC. I used that in the monster vac competition in Portland with a Eureka VGIII and won that year. That Rowenta is quite a fantastic compact canister. It sure will make the Rug Rat scream!
One last thing I think you will get a kick out of---yesterday I was replacing the motor of the Diamond J with an Olympia 1. Everyone I know said that the motors were interchangable. Guess what, THEY ARE NOT! The motor in the Diamond J is smaller, lighter, with a smaller fan and cover. The area between the motor and bag cage is shorter, requiring the extended bag cage. Furthermore, the welded in motor "mount" that holds the motor via the 4 nuts, has a different shape than the Olympia motor. The Olympia motor is of the Silverado and Super J ilk but not of the latter Diamond J.
However, through some clever metal maneuvering and a lot of cuts on the hands, I got the Olympia motor in the Diamond J,replaced the cage, creating a one-of-kind, (as far as I know), Diamond J! I did a total "make over" on the outside and it is going as a surprise birthday/x-mas gift to Tania. She told me that she always wanted one. So now, she will have a custom model!
Again, thanks for your info. Hopefully we can talk before too long. My best to you and yours.
Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, USA - Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 18:16:53 (MDT)
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To Charlie Watrous:
When the Signature Series Air-Way was being developed, I had the opportunity to spend a few days at Air-Way's factory in Alabama. They have a small room where they have test rigs for vacuums. Steve Tomberlin and I tested many styles of power nozzles before settling on the RugMasteR from CenTec.
We did remove the fan from the old style Eureka upright/power nozzle and tested it. The fan (and the air flowing through it) put a drag on the motor (as does the belt and brush roller). Without the fan (and without the drag), the motor turns MUCH faster, too fast for the brush to be efficient.
We did use two fiber washers to make up for the space where the fan would have been.
The Eureka upright/power nozzle isn't as good an idea as Don Clark thought (but who wants to argue with him). The airflow out of the fan chamber of the upright is restricted by the smaller air-way bag (in an upright, the bag is far larger, resulting in more surface area for the air to esacape). As the bag clogs with dust, the airflow through the Air-Way is reduced to the point where the fan from the upright is actually pushing fine dust out of the suction control ring.
In a canister vacuum, you have great pressure (water lift) with lower air-flow than an upright. In an upright, you have great CFM (airflow) but low water lift. By combining the two machines, in truth, neither will work as they should alone.
Lets face it, when the air flow is restricted through a canister due to a clogged out bag, having a fan trying to 'push' the air into a machine that cannot accept it, just results in high pressure within the hose and wand. This pressure is released, somewhat, through the openings (like the suction control ring) or through the swivel joints, resulting in dust escaping at those places.
IF the system were totally sealed from the back of the upright, through the wand and hose, to the cleaner, the fan in the power head would just spin in space without doing anything. The fan in the upright CANNOT force air into the canister IF the canister cannot accept and disperse the higher airflow. Ultimately, the airflow through the upright power head would be identical to the airflow through the head IF there were NO fan at all. The fan in the upright head ultimately makes no difference at all ONCE THE BAG IN THE CANISTER BEGINS TO CLOG.
I'll be happy to prove this at the next convention using a clean bag in the Air-Way and a partially filled bag.
tom gasko
desloge, mo USA - Tuesday, October 07, 2003 at 07:30:30 (MDT)
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Hey everyone!
Even though i know this is pointless to ask, does anyone have a bag for a 505? Someone is giving me thier 505 for free and it has a Sanitronic bag on it. He said the only other thing that it needs is the black bumper on the headlight, does anyone have black colored bumpers or know where i could possibly get a new one? Thanks
James Wyrembelski
Beaverton, MI USA - Monday, October 06, 2003 at 20:20:00 (MDT)
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R.J.,
I know that you can operate the Eureka powerhead as such with the Mark II 88. But, keeping in mind, the fan is blowing the dirt up the handle with tremendous speed since it is in it's own right a Eureka upright that would have taken an F & G bag inside of a cloth outer bag.
So here you have this Air-Way 7 amp vaccum trying to accept the dirt/debris being essentially blown into it's hose by the Eureka. I want to question Don Clark about this in Chicago in 2004. Does it really make sense?
Remember in the "Monster Vac" category in 2002 in Louisville, when you, (I think), or me even, put the Hoover 29 with the fan intact on the Air-Way 88 and lost because the fan of the powerhead was defeating the purpose of the "mother" Air-Way vacuum.
Does this make sense? I would like to bring the Air-Way 88 with the Eureka powerhead to Chicago next year since most members have never seen this combo and this will be the first time it can be entered in a ligit category due to changes that the members are crying for.
Thanks ahead for your input and as always my best to our Vice-President!
Charlie Watrous
Charlotte, NC USA - Sunday, October 05, 2003 at 21:48:57 (MDT)
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Does Tri-Star sell power nozzles and attachments for Compact vacuums? Also, is there any way to put new locking button on the ends of GE Swivel Top hoses and wands?
Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Sunday, October 05, 2003 at 18:09:47 (MDT)
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To Evan R-
Yes, either one of those waxes would be safe on painted surfaces, plastic/bakelite hoods, and even on vinyl/rubber bumpers. Jubilee may have been discontinued, but if it's still available it should be in the household cleaning aisle of the grocery stores. Turtle wax works just as well.
R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Sunday, October 05, 2003 at 09:20:23 (MDT)
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R.J: Thanks for your help on the Hoover/Eureka belts. If you have ever tried to use a Hoover belt on a Eureka, it is very tight. However, I have done so in a pinch, but it helps to stretch them out first like you said.
I picked up some Turtle wax. I used it to wax the hood on my Hoover 28. This stuff works extremely well. I was very impressed with the results. I am assuming that it is safe to use on bakelite/plasic? I couldn't find the Jubilee kitchen wax. Its quite possible that it isn't sold here in MA.
Thanks again for your help.
Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 22:17:36 (MDT)
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To Evan R-
You're right on target - the Eureka/Sanitaire belt is the belt of choice for the pre-convertible uprights (with a few exceptions): model 425 took a unique flat belt, and models 102, 105, 541, and 543 will do better with a stretched out (used) Eureka/Sanitaire belt.
To Ron J-
That blue & white Penncrest tank was indeed made in Britain by Hoover Ltd. It's squared cylander shape was reminiscent of the model 415 Holiday. It was part of Hoover's introductory line-up under the Penncrest label introduced in 1964. If it's model 1190, it came with the stretch hose, standard Hoover-style rug/floor tool (only in place of the "Hoover" logo there was the "P" logo), 2 (non-telescoping) wands, the furniture brush and the crevice tool. That was the budget-priced offering of 3 canister models for JC Penney, and the last (cylander-style) tank Hoover ever made for the US market.
R. J. Vanik
Bellevue, WA USA - Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 20:39:31 (MDT)
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a great find, today was riding along and found a penncrest tank cleaner white with lite blue it looks like some sort of Hoover tank but on its belly says made in Britain it has the famous Hoover flex hose and floor tool. its dirty needs some paint in other areas but that didnt stop me from slamming on brakes and flinging it into the truck of the Park Avenue, havent treid to run it yet
ron jones
rockingham, nc USA - Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 15:29:54 (MDT)
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Evan
I measured it, and there is a longer distance between the brusroll, and the pulley om my Hoover28, but it was less than 1/2inch. But my Eureka had a much longer dintance than my 28. The Hoovers are close enough that I don't think that it would putting very much more stress on the bearing.
Reggie
Parker, CO USA - Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 14:59:50 (MDT)
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To R.J: Thank you very much for the information on the 115 and the wax. I'll pick up some Turtle Wax later today.
To Reggie: Actually, if you look at a Hoover round belt next to a Eureka round belt, you will find that the Hoover belt is smaller. If I heard correctly, the the distance from the belt pulley to the brushroll on the pre Convertible cleaners is longer. If this is correct, you would want to use the Eureka belt because the Hoover belt would put more stress on the lower bearing. I could be entirely wrong on this though.
To Morgan Frazer: Thank you so much for your offer on the brushstrips and the attachment set. I'll be in touch. I don't have a spring clip for your Eureka to spare at the moment, but it shouldn't be all that hard to find one. I'll let you know if I come across one.
Thank you
Evan Rogers
Concord, MA USA - Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 07:29:40 (MDT)
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Evan,
I have a brand new set of brushes for a Hoover Model 28. Contact me if your interested. Also I have a Eureka Rotomatic as well and I am in need of the spring clip that hold the hose in place. If any one out there has a spare...
Evan, I also have an extra attachment set for the Model 28 if your interested. It would not include the hose but is is a full set.
Morgan
Morgan T. Frazer
Benton, WI USA - Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 06:25:58 (MDT)
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