| Thread Number: 197 Sebo canister or Air-way |
Post# 1743-9/26/2006-22:45 ||| Bimmer740 (New York) |
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I'm looking to purchase a new vacuum but im not sure what to buy. I am a former member of the VCCC and have always loved vacuums since I was a little kid. I was always a huge fan of Electrolux but their current machines do not have enough power. I love my Kirby Diamond Edition but its loud and I having 75% bare floors its not the ideal vacuum for my house. I also have a Miele Red Velvet and Blue Moon. I like these machines but their power nozzles just dont seem strong enough for american homes with pets and they are awful when it comes to manueverability. I loved my Electrolux Ultralux that i had years ago and since the Air-way Centurion has a similar design and more power i thought this might be a good choice. I am also interested in the Sebo C3.1 canister. The Sebo is supposed to be well made and an excellent cleaner. I also would like to check out a Rainbow, but they are not popular in my area and im not sure if i want to have a machine that requires so much work to use it. All you need to do is plug in the mieles and you are set. Please let me know what anyone thinks about both the Air-way and the sebo. The Air-way sounds like a great machine but I never heard of them until i was part of the VCCC. Thank You! -Steven |
Post# 1745-9/26/2006-22:57 ||| Swingette (Texas) |
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well, the sebo got excellent marks in CR, and has an excellent powernozzle. if its as well-engineered as the sebo upright... good thing. ive always wanted a sebo canister, or a sebo *felix*. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Swingette's LINK |
Post# 1749-9/26/2006-23:24 ||| compactc9 (Denver, Co) |
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What power nozzle are you using on the Mieles? If you are using the SEB217, then you might want to get the larger one with the headlight. Otherwise, I personally ould go with the AirWay, its a great vacuum that is built to work well and last. |
Post# 1753-9/27/2006-00:26 ||| dualsanitronic (milwaukee) |
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The AirWay is the very best of its type,bar none! |
Post# 1761-9/27/2006-10:13 ||| air-waycharlie (Charlotte, NC) |
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Air-Way
I always tell people that inquire about Air-Way........after you get tired of trying 2 to 3 different vacuums and they are unsatisfactory for whatever reason, you will want to purchase an Air-Way. It's designed to last a life time and longer. Hand assembled, made of lightweight metal, the finest in filtration, the power nozzle is now "Quiet Drive" and built in the USA.
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Post# 1762-9/27/2006-10:18 ||| Bimmer740 (New York) |
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I have the 236 power nozzle (the largest one with a head light) on the Red Velvet. Its the standard nozzle that comes with it. On the Blue Moon i have the 226 i believe, it was the largest power nozzle prior to the models with the head light. They are very good, but not great. Does the airway power nozzle have a beater bar? Is the Centurion a quiet machine like the mieles? How does the rainbow compair to the sebo and airway? Sorry for all the questions, lol, but i know that you all you're talking about so this is the best resource for me.
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Post# 1764-9/27/2006-10:24 ||| kirbykid (Thermopolis, Wyoming) |
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I LOVED MY AIRWAY!!! that is the brand i would suggest.... I have the Miele Red star(before the Red velvet) and I love it it is so quiet and powerful but yeah you are right the power nozzle sucks)and not in a good way)) oi !! |
Post# 1778-9/27/2006-13:39 ||| air-waycharlie (Charlotte, NC) |
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More on Air-Way
The Air-Way canister is a 12 amp vacuum so there is a moderate amount of noise. It is not as quiet as the Miele. However, the modest noise difference is well worth the difference!
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Post# 1779-9/27/2006-14:50 ||| andy (Springfield, Missouri) |
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Sebo/Miele
Steven
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Post# 1781-9/27/2006-16:01 ||| talktotravis (Phoenix, AZ) |
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Miele hose
With no disrespect to Air Way (and I actually don't know about their hose so I'm just guessing) I prefer the Miele type any day, any time. For one, the hose is very lightweight, so that if one is dusting it won't knock over things on a table or counter. Secondly, Miele hoses ARE entirely crushproof, despite their light weight--I have seen many a crushed wire-reinforced hose, it just takes one step too many. While others such as Aerus and Kenmore claim better airflow due to being wire-reinforced, I find the tradeoff minimal--thier relative inflexibility, weight, and fragility are not worth it. (And I have yet to find a cleaner that matches the performance of the Miele vortex motor). As Andy says, the Miele has the right stuff where it counts--sometimes it's in the design. |
Post# 1782-9/27/2006-16:08 ||| talktotravis (Phoenix, AZ) |
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Miele Floor Tool
Forgot to add--just as Andy claims, the new Miele floor tool (parquet) is unmatched--there's simply nothing like it on the market. It swivels in all directions, is low profile, does not leak at the neck, and can lay completely flat to go under furniture. Even though I love the machines, I also find them pricey--but this tool is worth it. ![]() |
Post# 1786-9/27/2006-16:48 ||| andy (Springfield, Missouri) |
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Hoses
The Airway hose is a lightweight crushproof style, but it is the common 1-1/4" diameter variety which facilitates less airflow than Miele hoses. |
Post# 1789-9/27/2006-18:33 ||| Bimmer740 (New York) |
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New Mieles
I was just looking at the new Miele S5's and they look nice. However the power head is the same as the one i have on the red velvet. Is the Red Velvet vortex motor the same as the one in the s5? I like that they have improved the hose handle on the top of the line model and how the hose doesnt swivel at the canister end (i cant stand the swivel on mine). I dont know about the new floor brush, but i will tell you that i absolutly HATE both the smooth floor brush and combination brush i have for mine! They both get clogged with hair and just push the dirt around the front of the bristles. They kirby bare floor brush from my diamond edition is my favorite! Anyone know how the length of the cord on the Airway compares to the Mieles? I do think that the mieles are over priced for a plastic machine and i loved my all metal ultralux. Thanks! |
Post# 1792-9/27/2006-18:50 ||| talktotravis (Phoenix, AZ) |
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Miele
Yes, the SEB 236 is the same in the S5, and the hose connection to the body is much improved--it does not swivel, but feels sturdier and does not leak air. I believe that the early Red Velvet models used the 2-fan 1100W motor and the latest ones, prior to the s5, have the Vortex. The way I always tell is by looking at either the hose control or the control on the body--1100W is 2-fan, 1200 is Vortex. The new floor tool, although only for hard floors, is night and day compared to a combo rug/floor tool (which I don't like either). The hose handle is now a pistol grip system similar to Sebo, but doesn't leak and feels better made. I like the Kirby floor tool as well, but the Miele stole its lunch and is my new favorite. |
Post# 1794-9/27/2006-19:31 ||| andy (Springfield, Missouri) |
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Floor brushes
Miele has addressed the issue of hair getting caught up in the bristles by making the brush out of a combination of natural and synthetic fiber. Just try this new floor tool, trust me, you'll be hooked. |
Post# 1799-9/27/2006-21:16 ||| air-waycharlie (Charlotte, NC) |
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With due respect to my fellow posters, I will only add at this point, that a prospective buyer should really just try out the vacuums they are considering and see what feels/works best for them and their pocketbooks.
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Post# 1802-9/27/2006-21:27 ||| andy (Springfield, Missouri) |
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Charlie
Do you have a pic of that powernozzle with the new brushroll? I find this very interesting. |
Post# 1803-9/27/2006-21:39 ||| talktotravis (Phoenix, AZ) |
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Charlie
Well said, everyone has their favorites and I respect your opinion. I honestly haven't used an Air-way, and I'm sure they are great machines. (Last canister I had, however, was a Royal "pony," and they seem similar--that was a great machine). For me, the Miele suits my needs fine now, and should for a while, but that can always change and then I may look at Air-way. No doubt that it is a very well-made machine, and being American-made is great also. |
Post# 1825-9/28/2006-09:47 ||| air-waycharlie (Charlotte, NC) |
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Andy,
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Post# 1827-9/28/2006-10:10 ||| air-waycharlie (Charlotte, NC) |
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New Info RE: Air-Way
Okay, I just got off the phone with Air-Way and here it is direct from the factory:
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Post# 1830-9/28/2006-11:23 ||| air-waycharlie (Charlotte, NC) |
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P/N
Here is the complete power nozzle with wands. ![]() |
Post# 1831-9/28/2006-11:24 ||| air-waycharlie (Charlotte, NC) |
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Close up of the power nozzle only. ![]() |
Post# 1832-9/28/2006-11:25 ||| air-waycharlie (Charlotte, NC) |
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The underside showing the chevron brushroll with fairly stiff, nylon brushes. ![]() |
Post# 1833-9/28/2006-11:26 ||| air-waycharlie (Charlotte, NC) |
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Here you see the Cen-Tec labeling and note the last letters are QD for Quiet Drive. ![]() |
Post# 1837-9/28/2006-17:46 ||| Bimmer740 (New York) |
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New Air Way power nozzle
One of the things that stuck out in my mind was that the Air Way still had a beater bar on its power nozzle. I thought that it may be what the power nozzles on my other machines were missing to make them good and not excellent. Why would they change to a chevron brush with no bar? Is the beater bar power nozzle a better cleaner? Are their any canister that have a beater bar anymore?
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Post# 1839-9/28/2006-18:51 ||| air-waycharlie (Charlotte, NC) |
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This is my opinion ONLY.........I think to stay competative, Air-Way had to reduce the noise of their vacuums. The only way was to reduce the noise of the power nozzle as the main canister is not the loud.
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Post# 1842-9/28/2006-20:04 ||| normvac (COLUMBUS, OHIO) |
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New Air Way
Charlie
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Post# 1861-9/29/2006-16:37 ||| Rexairman (Hudson, NC) |
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I am a big fan of both Air-Way and Rainbow, and sell them both. I still have trouble figuring out what makes any of the European canisters special, other than a protected profit for their dealers. This includes Miele, Bosch, Sebo, etc. I am constantly approached by these companies to sell their products, but have not done so. They are all very well built machines, but of very conventional technology. I love the Air-Way for the fact that it is built the way it always has been. Incredible, all metal, hand built quality. If a customer needs a vacuum that performs only the traditional functions of a vacuum cleaner, Air-Way is the way to go.
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Post# 1869-9/29/2006-23:56 ||| Bimmer740 (New York) |
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Air-Way
I am still waiting for product material to arrive from Air-Way about their machines so can check them out. I dont think that there is a dealer in my area, since i had never heard of them since Tom G. told me about them when i joined the VCCC a while back. Is there any place online that has more detailed info, since the AirWay site has very limited info? I also noticed while checking out one members pictures online that they have the purple Centurion, and it has the newer style (kenmore like) centec power nozzle. Anyone know if that is what the Anniversary Edition power nozzle looks like? What is the price of these machines? All I know is that they are less than the $1200 that the Red Velvet lists for. Has anyone tried the new Windtunel? I bought a new self propelled one and then quickly returned it about 6 months ago because it was loud enough to make a person go deaf and it was sooo clumsy! It was however a pretty decent performer. Are the new ones any quieter and easier to steer?
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Post# 1880-9/30/2006-12:36 ||| ahzeks (Bozeman) |
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Riccar/Simplicity Cannisters?
How to the new Riccar/Simplicity cannisters compare to contemporary Miele, Aerus and Air-Way machines? Does anyone have any experience with them? CLICK HERE TO GO TO ahzeks's LINK |
Post# 1999-10/3/2006-21:47 ||| Bimmer740 (New York) |
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Central Vacuum instead of AirWay
Ok, so I bought a new VacuFlo unit model 566Q instead of another canister. I have a large german sheppard and I just cant deal with how my machines smell after a few uses. My housekeeper cant stand it either! She also hates that my Miele Blue Moon and misses the Lux Epic 6500. Its not practical to change the bag after two or three uses and I will not buy a portable bagless vac. I figured this is the best way to go, no smell since its vented outside and constant power. I purchased the Hayden Superpack with the machine since my vac dealer said it has a much better hose than the Vacuflo. It has almost the same power nozzle as the Air Way. It should be completely installed tomorrow and i cant wait to see how it works. Does anyone have one of these units and are you satisfied with them?
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Post# 2000-10/3/2006-22:05 ||| compactc9 (Denver, Co) |
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I don't have a Vacuflo, but I can say that from my reoair experiance, they are very reliable and well built. I do have a Riccar central vac. I really feel that the best vacuum anyone can get is a central vac, nothing comes close in power and cleaning ability. |
Post# 2007-10/4/2006-01:32 ||| Bimmer740 (New York) |
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Central Vac
Do you like the Riccar? My dealer sells Riccar and Simplicity vacuums and speaks highly of them. I have never used one, but they sell only the VacuFlo as their only central vac line. I was looking at the Riccar but I didnt want a filter or a bag to change. Do you like your system and its power nozzle? Did you install it yourself? I have a colonial splanch so it should be easy to install it myself. Only thing that may be a slight problem is wiring the direct connect valve. Ill know tomorrow if i bit off more than i can chew. |
Post# 2014-10/4/2006-10:57 ||| ahzeks (Bozeman, MT) |
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Congratulations on your Central Vac Purchase!
I bought and installed a Beam Serenity central vacuum system over five years ago and I love it. I actually wanted to go with a VacuFlo unit, but I didn't like the local dealer. His customer service skills were very poor and he came across as a real jerk. I wanted to do my own installation, but he insisted that installation in an existing home was too complicated for a layperson. The Beam dealer was totally the opposite. He was very encouraging and extremely helpful. He even stopped by my house before the purchase to go over my plan with me. He gave me all sorts of helpful hints and told me to call if I had any problems or concerns at all. He even lent me a "do-it-yourself" installation video to watch before I began.
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Post# 2016-10/4/2006-13:38 ||| Swingette (Texas) |
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nothing comes close in power and cleaning ability
...except a Hoover upright (on rugs)! |
Post# 2024-10/4/2006-19:12 ||| compactc9 (Denver, Co) |
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I love my Riccar, the best part is the power nozzle with the 3 full rows of bristles and the all metal bottom. The unit wass also the most powerfull home unit on the market at the time, and probably still is. I also got the direct connect electric inlets, and would never have anything else. |
Post# 2041-10/5/2006-09:09 ||| ahzeks (Bozeman, MT) |
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I second that Swingette!
I have a Hoover 1060 that I used to use regularly to deep clean the carpets. But, unfortunately last year it developed motor problems. The motor starts and runs okay at first, but after 15-20 seconds of use is starts to slow down and comes almost to a stop. I've never repaired an electric motor before, so I wouldn't know where to start or even what to look for. So, I've been keeping my eyes open for a replacement. I should get it fixed as I really miss using that machine. |
Post# 2042-10/5/2006-09:13 ||| Seamusuk (Dover Kent UK) |
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Michael....
It could be something or nothing- carbon brushes would be a good place to start looking :).
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Post# 2043-10/5/2006-09:37 ||| ahzeks (Bozeman, MT) |
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Direct Connect Inlet Valves
Yesterday I converted my central vacuum hose end to direct connect and upgraded my first floor invlet valve to an ElectraValve. What a difference! Getting rid of that 6-foot pig tail cord makes using the hose so much easier, especially when it comes to coiling it up for storage or moving it from one level to the next. (I was always worried about tripping over the pig tail when carrying the hose up or down the stairs as it was often a challange to keep the cord from dangling loose while carrying the whole hose from one location to another.) Plus, the hose connection is now made in one simple step.
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Post# 2044-10/5/2006-09:43 ||| ahzeks (Bozeman, MT) |
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Carbon brushes...
Seamus,
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Post# 2046-10/5/2006-09:57 ||| ahzeks (Bozeman, MT) |
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Riccar Central Vacuums
Compact9,
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Post# 2072-10/5/2006-20:53 ||| compactc9 (Denver, Co) |
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I have their best power nozzle, the same as the one sold with their most expensive canister, but with a nicer looking (to me) blue hood. The link has the picture of the hose and p/n. CLICK HERE TO GO TO compactc9's LINK![]() |
Post# 2073-10/5/2006-20:54 ||| compactc9 (Denver, Co) |
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There is also a much better picture of teh unit in there too, I didn't realize this picture was soooo small. |
Post# 2096-10/5/2006-23:21 ||| Bimmer740 (New York) |
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Central Vac Muffler
Ok, so I didn't finish installing my central vac. I ran into a few problems running one of the inlets but hopefully I will be done tomorrow. One thing im not sure about is how do you put the muffler on the unit. My system vents outside, does the muffler slide over the exhaust tubing, or does the exhaust tube get cut and the muffler attached between the tubing? I think that if it is attached to two ends of tubing that it will get all cloged with dirt from the exhaust, but im not sure how the muffler really works.
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Post# 2100-10/5/2006-23:46 ||| compactc9 (Denver, Co) |
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The muffler is installed by connecting the pipe to each end, like any other fitting, just glue the pipe into it. |
Post# 2127-10/6/2006-11:51 ||| ahzeks (Bozeman, MT) |
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Compact9 -- Thanks for sharing the photos...
...of your vacuum cleaner collection and central vacuum! I like the looks of the Riccar power nozzle and would like to check one out in person. Unfortunately, our local Riccar dealer just went out of business. We do have a Simplicity dealer and I assume there is a comparible Simplicity power nozzle. I wonder, does Riccar/Simplicity sell just the power nozzle and wand assembly? From what I can tell from your photo it looks like the wand has the industry standard central vacuum hose connection.
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Post# 2128-10/6/2006-12:21 ||| ahzeks (Bozeman, MT) |
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Muffler won't clog
Steven,
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Post# 2131-10/6/2006-14:35 ||| Rexairman (Hudson, NC) |
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Since my last post to this thread I have sold two new Rainbows, one rebuilt Rainbow, and one new Air-Way. I have heard from all those customers, and they all love their machines. The Rainbow customers were all repeat buyers. One of the new machines was sold to a well-to-do couple who bought a new machine from me in June for their vacation home, and wanted another for their primary home. When they bought the second machine they told me they would probably be wanting another one soon. The other new Rainbow went to a lady who traded in her very well worn Rainbow D3, about 20-25 years old. The rebuilt Rainbow went to a lady who had bought one from me a few years ago, and since gave it to her daughter, who had just purchased a new home. The mother realized she couldn't get by without a Rainbow, and bought a second one from me the other day. She called me yesterday and told me she loves it. The new Air-Way is an interesting story. I sold it to a customer who has been using a Miele. They wanted something that wouldn't be plagued by expensive and constant repair bills. Just before buying the Air-Way from me, the Miele dealer told them their machine needed $200 worth of repairs, and that wasn't the first time they had a big bill on it. Just thought I'd send this along. |
Post# 2134-10/6/2006-17:01 ||| ahzeks (Bozeman, MT) |
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Central Vacuum Muffler Photos
Here's a photo of my Beam central vacuum system power unit with the Sound Off muffler attached and a close-up of the muffler end. You can see the sound-absorbing foam on the inside of the tube. It shouldn't clog or interfere with the exhaust as the foam layer (about one half inch thick) only goes around the inside of the tube leaving plenty of open space for the exhaust air to pass freely through.
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Post# 2145-10/6/2006-19:12 ||| compactc9 (Denver, Co) |
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the power nozzle is the same on the Simplicity and Riccar, but the central vac wands have a different electrical connection for the hose than the canister version, as well as a more Miele like locking tab, the wand will only fit a Cen-Tec hose that has the correct metal tube on the end. THe canister wands will only fit the Riccar/Simplicity canister hose end. Buying just a nozzle and wand wouldn't do much for you unless you already have a hose that it will fit. |
Post# 2152-10/6/2006-21:37 ||| Bimmer740 (New York) |
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Muffler
Ahzeks thank you so much for the info and the pictures! They are a huge help! I just need to run the exhaust line outside tomorrow, connect the wires, and Im all done with the installation. I have to say it was alot more work than I thought. Im not the do-it-yourself type (im only 22), im more of a pay-someone-else to do it for you type. Anyway, it wasn't extremely difficult to do but it is time consuming! I'm glad i put it in myself and learned how to run the pipes, but in the next house im having someone do it for me!
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Post# 2167-10/7/2006-13:20 ||| dysonman (park hills, missouri) |
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Air-Way's new brush roller
The only new brush roller offered by CenTec is the current, chevron style. The beater-bar brush, with replaceable bristles, is only available as a repair part. For many rugs, the beater-bar brush is the way to go. However, for newer rugs with very long pile, the new chevron brush is really better.
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Post# 2286-10/9/2006-19:06 ||| normvac (COLUMBUS, OHIO) |
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Red/Beige Filter Queen
The machine is made by filter queen but (owner correct me if I am wrong) made for sale in retail, usually a Vac Shop. At a lower price point than the door sold model. It is called a princess! I was approached back in the 80's to be a dealer! |
Post# 2294-10/9/2006-21:15 ||| Bimmer740 (New York) |
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Central Vac
So I finally got my VacuFlo unit up and running and I LOVE IT! I am waiting for the 110v to be wired into the inlets this weekend and I'm very anxious to see how well the power nozzle works. I love the power of the machine! Its so quiet! Even if you stand next to the unit down in the basement, its not very loud at all. VacuFlo claims its 60Dbs, which is great! I used it to clean my cat's two cat condos with the upolstery nozzle and it got the hair right up! Its usually much more difficult to get it all up and very time consuming. I must say that I am a little shocked at what is in the container so far and I haven't even used it on the carpets yet. I thought my house was cleaner. Scary! |
Post# 2310-10/9/2006-22:47 ||| compactc9 (Denver, Co) |
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You will about faint when you see what it gets from the carpet. I was shocked the first time that I used my central vac on our carpet that was only a few weeks old, and had been vacuumed daily since we moved in. |
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Air-way PN and Hayden PN
Does anyone know if the Airway power nozzle and the Hayden Super Pack power nozzle differ in any way other than a different hood?
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